[Work in progess] Burnins Avalon Chip to mining board service

[Kernel32]

Hi burnin,

I would like to ask for your opinion on BFL offer we got today at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223571 .

They are willing to sell us (as GroupBuy) advanced 65 nm chips (4 GH/s per piece) on 100% escrow (John K.), on-time-or-deal-is-off policy.

Is developing and producing mining boards capable of running those chips more challenging than for Avalon's 110 nm ones? Would you be interested? (Avalon boards are surely to stay the top priority.)

Since, I'm refining the deal right now, I can use any suggestions about documentation, sample chips etc. I should require for you/other developers as part of the deal.

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[Bicknellski]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVx26LlNXA <--- Yifu Guo of Avalon skeptical of Butterfly Labs

[phantastisch]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVx26LlNXA <--- Yifu Guo of Avalon skeptical of Butterfly Labs

Yifu Gou aka Mr Hey Guys i know you want your miners and chips but we are giving no support or news about them but fuck BFL right ?

[wrenchmonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtVx26LlNXA <--- Yifu Guo of Avalon skeptical of Butterfly Labs

You're almost there, man. I think you just need to cross-post this same exact post on like, maybe 50 more threads. I hear that Bill Gates is skeptical of Apple computers too. 

[krasnolud]

Here are two links to my website, where you can estimate Bitburners' profitability:

• Bitburner X: http://minercharts.com/youw5
• Bitburner XX: http://minercharts.com/ew4ik

Looks good so far.

[Bicknellski]

Here are two links to my website, where you can estimate Bitburners' profitability:

• Bitburner X: http://minercharts.com/youw5
• Bitburner XX: http://minercharts.com/ew4ik

Looks good so far.

+1

SLICK SITE! Can we get one for Klondikes and Quarter Sticks? Nice work!

[dex1]

I've dissolved my GPU miner and I have one power supply left - Thermaltake Smart M750W 80+ Bronze (modular).
Will it be suitable to power a few Bitburners XX or should I rather get rid of it?

It should be the perfect choice for these boards.  

Interesting I have not thought of this. I was planning on running mine off my laptop. Will I be able to run it of my laptops power or will I need a PSU?

Edit: Im only getting one 20 chip board.

burnin stated in the first post that the 20 chips board will consume ~40Watts @ 12 Volts. So yes, if you have a Laptop PSU thats rated 40+ Watts at 12 Volt, it shouldn't be a problem.

you can re-purpose laptop PSU for this (provided it does 40W), but u cant run it off your laptop's power. USB port provides 0.5A @5V = 2.5W which is slightly below the 40W requirement...

Correct,  i will also offer compatible 12V brick power supplies and raspberry pies on the website.

welp, i just jumped in for 40 chips with sebastianju. i now join the (insanely long) line of people waiting impatiently for burnin's site.

i really hope he's abel to hire some extra hands or something to assemble all this...

As stated before: I won't assemble the boards personally, this will be done by contractors.
The boards will be assembled by Essemtec machines, mainly this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o.
Maximum speed 20.000 components per hour, for reference my board has 341 components.

Overall project status:

I spent the last few days evaluating various firmware/hw builds for different chip interface options in order to determine the best.
The decision has been made and i now ordered my prototype boards.
I'll provide new drawings later so you can design your own cooling solutions.

Does it not say in OP that adequate cooling solution will be provided ?

Could you please clarify: it will or will not.

[arklan]

*snip*
I spent the last few days evaluating various firmware/hw builds for different chip interface options in order to determine the best.
The decision has been made and i now ordered my prototype boards.
I'll provide new drawings later so you can design your own cooling solutions.

Does it not say in OP that adequate cooling solution will be provided ?

Could you please clarify: it will or will not.

i assume he meant this with regard to fans and the like.

[Schrankwand]

I've dissolved my GPU miner and I have one power supply left - Thermaltake Smart M750W 80+ Bronze (modular).
Will it be suitable to power a few Bitburners XX or should I rather get rid of it?

It should be the perfect choice for these boards.  

Interesting I have not thought of this. I was planning on running mine off my laptop. Will I be able to run it of my laptops power or will I need a PSU?

Edit: Im only getting one 20 chip board.

burnin stated in the first post that the 20 chips board will consume ~40Watts @ 12 Volts. So yes, if you have a Laptop PSU thats rated 40+ Watts at 12 Volt, it shouldn't be a problem.

you can re-purpose laptop PSU for this (provided it does 40W), but u cant run it off your laptop's power. USB port provides 0.5A @5V = 2.5W which is slightly below the 40W requirement...

Correct,  i will also offer compatible 12V brick power supplies and raspberry pies on the website.

welp, i just jumped in for 40 chips with sebastianju. i now join the (insanely long) line of people waiting impatiently for burnin's site.

i really hope he's abel to hire some extra hands or something to assemble all this...

As stated before: I won't assemble the boards personally, this will be done by contractors.
The boards will be assembled by Essemtec machines, mainly this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8qkaTsr2_o.
Maximum speed 20.000 components per hour, for reference my board has 341 components.

Overall project status:

I spent the last few days evaluating various firmware/hw builds for different chip interface options in order to determine the best.
The decision has been made and i now ordered my prototype boards.
I'll provide new drawings later so you can design your own cooling solutions.

Does it not say in OP that adequate cooling solution will be provided ?

Could you please clarify: it will or will not.

People want to build water cooling solutions and some do want to build their own variation.

[TiuraZ]

*snip*
I spent the last few days evaluating various firmware/hw builds for different chip interface options in order to determine the best.
The decision has been made and i now ordered my prototype boards.
I'll provide new drawings later so you can design your own cooling solutions.

Does it not say in OP that adequate cooling solution will be provided ?

Could you please clarify: it will or will not.

i assume he meant this with regard to fans and the like.

I think there will be some basic cooling solution included, but because some people were asking about mounting holes for water cooling blocks, he is providing drawings for those purposes.

[krasnolud]

SLICK SITE! Can we get one for Klondikes and Quarter Sticks? Nice work!

I will gladly add more example miners if you could help me find the specs (hash rate and power consumption).

[guitar82]

So just a what if question for you. What would the effect of avalon announcing an upgraded substituted chip do to the board development? Is it possible they were able to design a faster chip that could use the same design parameters and architecture? Seeing that they have an announcement coming and they haven't sent out samples yet I was just wondering.

[mine2mind112]

I have a question , theinterconnection beetween different boards is included ?basically I just need a PSU and a usb cable?

[burnin]

Does it not say in OP that adequate cooling solution will be provided ?

Could you please clarify: it will or will not.

Yes, but like the others already explained, some people would like to design their own.
For those i offer boards without cooling for 10eur less.

Yes Burnin it'll be helpful if you could clarify this. You've stated previously that the batch number our chips are in will matter, but you didn't explain the specifics and how it relates to order placement on your website. So, can you explain us how will it work?

Again thanks, I'm eagerly awaiting new renders of Bitburner XX to print them and hang them in my walls  

I'm part of SebestainJu's Batch #2 order, does it really matter when I place my order on your website (once it's up), as long as I place it prior to you receiving the Batch #2 chips -- I imagine you would complete the entire batch before jumping to other customers.  Is there an order of batches that have priority with you?

Clarification coming up:
The batch is relevant, because that's the order in which I will receive the chips.
Even if you were to be the very first person to order on my website, i could only assemble and send you your boards once I received the batch your chip are in.
And that's why the batch is relevant.
Within one batch the succession of the order number is determining the position in the queue.

So just a what if question for you. What would the effect of avalon announcing an upgraded substituted chip do to the board development? Is it possible they were able to design a faster chip that could use the same design parameters and architecture? Seeing that they have an announcement coming and they haven't sent out samples yet I was just wondering.

If they did, the design would likely have to be altered but that shouldn't take too long

I have a question , theinterconnection beetween different boards is included ?basically I just need a PSU and a usb cable?

They are not included but can be ordered on the website.
But, you can also make them yourself, any diy electronics store should have the components needed in stock.
Whats needed is 10 Pin Ribbon cable and 10 Pin ribbon cable clamp-on connectors.

[Sophokles]

Seeing that they have an announcement coming and they haven't sent out samples yet I was just wondering.

Hi, what kind of (Avalon?) announcement are you talking about? Source link, please ;-)

[Micky25]

Seeing that they have an announcement coming and they haven't sent out samples yet I was just wondering.

Hi, what kind of (Avalon?) announcement are you talking about? Source link, please ;-)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227103.msg2399090#msg2399090
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227103.msg2402008#msg2402008

Supposedly to be Avalon, whereas the lingo reminds me of BFL.

[burnin]

Hi burnin,

I would like to ask for your opinion on BFL offer we got today at https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223571 .

They are willing to sell us (as GroupBuy) advanced 65 nm chips (4 GH/s per piece) on 100% escrow (John K.), on-time-or-deal-is-off policy.

Is developing and producing mining boards capable of running those chips more challenging than for Avalon's 110 nm ones? Would you be interested? (Avalon boards are surely to stay the top priority.)

Since, I'm refining the deal right now, I can use any suggestions about documentation, sample chips etc. I should require for you/other developers as part of the deal.

I will definitely start work on a BFL board once I am done with the Avalon boards.
Given they provide the necessary documentation and there is hope that we will actually get them.
But it will be more challenging with the varying amount of engines per chip.
Cooling would have to be more complex too.

[SebastianJu]

I dont remember the full thread so can someone say a word about if the miner can be overclocked? I mean the cooling solution will be included so it might be possible from the heat-side. But is the hardware chosen to make this possible or is something like that planned?

[marto74]

I dont remember the full thread so can someone say a word about if the miner can be overclocked? I mean the cooling solution will be included so it might be possible from the heat-side. But is the hardware chosen to make this possible or is something like that planned?

I think burnin added this option in PCB design about a week ago

[Foofighter]

I dont remember the full thread so can someone say a word about if the miner can be overclocked? I mean the cooling solution will be included so it might be possible from the heat-side. But is the hardware chosen to make this possible or is something like that planned?

Hi sebastian,

just recently burnin posted that he will implement a solution for overclocking.

regards