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Move along, nothing to see here just yet.

ServiceNodes:

* Snippet from one of three white papers. This is an example of a service.

MasterNodes:


*This is an example of a MasterNode function designed before DASH announced something very similar and called it Evolution.

* There will also be significant time and effort placed in to writing one possibly two patents. These will be defensive patents to prevent people copying our ideas and releasing them before us. Once we release our patents, we will review the option of non-enforcement against open source projects. Open source is open source, but at least give us the time to release our ideas first before copying them and labelling them as your own.


Technical Architecture
* Total Coin Supply (about 20m, tbc)
* Block halving (around 7% per year, tbc)
* PoW only algo (tbc)
* Block time (tbc)
* Download clients (tbc)
* Port (tbc)
* RPC-Port (tbc)


MasterNodes or ServiceNodes?
The network will support both. This is a first for any project and goes back to a system design first considered in 2014.

* MasterNodes will perform network related functions. MasterNode operators will be paid by the network.

We will be implementing a payments network and introducing some features not seen before in digital currencies to make payments accessible to the masses. We are targeting to have millions of ordinary users taking control of their own accounts, without the need to download complicated clients and with no loss of security.

* ServiceNodes will perform for profit related services. An Uber type model will be created where the network and users rate providers.

Our initial focus will be for Service Nodes to run fast relay networks, called Decentralized Digital Services Networks (DSDN). These will enable anyone to run a full Bitcoin node for anyone else, for a fee. Or users can run their own secure Helium Nodes, Bitcoin nodes, Monero nodes, etc.

These full nodes will be linked with an encrypted connection to an SPV running on a smartphone. We will also look at adding support for hardware wallet security for those who wish to take those extra steps.

ServiceNodes are essential to keeping long-term income flowing into the network to pay for MasterNode operators.

The DSDN white paper can be found on our web site here


Agile Development
We will be looking to build up a development team based on work packages. This will protect the project long into the future as teams can come in and carry out specific packages of work for defined periods of 1 day or 1 year. From maintaining the web site(s), tweaking wallet designs, to documentation.

We will try to avoid all the knowledge being in the hands of too few people who then pose a systemic risk to the project if something happens to them.

A core team will be responsible for project governance, setting priorities and network architecture.  This team too can be fairly Agile.

Helium will be a self-funded project via block subsidy. So that we can secure the network and invest in it's future, we will have an ongoing source of funding for development work through a consensus rule that will allocate [10% tbc] of the coinbase from each block subsidy to a development fund.

This will be operated through an open and transparent framework to fund current and new developers so that the project remains self-sustainable without needing to be dependent on outside forces that can divert the project away from the aims set by the users of the network.

By using this self-funding option, the development team will be answerable to those network users who have a stake in the success of the network. The users who give the project it's value through their support can collectively influence the direction of the project and also what work packages get priority and what doesn't get funded.


* Coins101 I have had the chance to help build a real life payments company from a $200 start-up to one that was valued at $80m at the time it was sold to one of the biggest banks in the world. That process meant I had to deal with just about every aspect of consumer payments and moving money around the world. There are very few aspects of the consumer payments sector that I haven't had to understand and deliver a suitable real life product around.

I want to take my knowledge and experience of knowing what works and what doesn't, and apply that expertise to blockchain payments - a coming together of the best parts of each to create something truly outstanding that can work for ordinary people in everyday life.

* Karmashark
Co-founder, direction, engagement, communications


Rolling Road Map


As a rolling road map, things will keep changing, so check back for updates


Spreadcoin > HLM economic fork
Please see initial notice to Spreadcoin holders

* Effective cut off date for swap, will be a block height (tbc)
* Two explorers will be used to check against
* Chainz SPR here
* Cryptoguru SPR (we've paid for premium status) here

We will be looking at a snapshot of the Spreadcoin addresses on a well advertised specific date, giving people plenty of notice. Discussions with exchanges will take place prior to any formal details being released.

The total coin supply will remain at around 20m, although the emissions schedule will be changed to an annual reduction of about 7%.

More details to follow and will be posted here.


Support
* Wallets: (tbc)
* Block explorer: (tbc)
* Miners: (tbc)
* Github: (tbc)
* Seed nodes:
Code:
tbc
* Seed nodes and some other infrastructure is managed / hosted by ChainWorks while we focus on product development.


Links
* Github (tbc)
* Website HELIUMPAY.COM
* Twitter twitter.com/heliumpay
* Slack (open invitation soon)
* Facebook (When average Joe mass adoption roll out begins - but hopefully won't be needed for a little while)
* Instagram (When average Joe mass adoption roll out begins)


Branding
There will likely be a logo and branding competition announced around May or June. However, we are likely to start by talking to a creative agency. For ideation around branding and logos, please consider:

* ServiceNodes and MasterNodes represented by electrons orbiting as a second layer around the core protocol layer
* Build around values of supporting Bitcoin and blockchains
* Cloud based wallets
* Decentralisation is what we're about. But don't bother trying to communicate that as your average person doesn't (A) get it or (B) care. Focus instead on 'cloud' based products and services.
* Anyone working on the branding before the patents are filed needs to sign an NDA. This is also the main reason for leaving the logo competition until later in the year when our full patented plans will be made public.




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The self-moderation policy will be set with a very narrow objective (over and above the general forum policies) and will be strictly followed. It's not a self-moderated thread to create an echo chamber.


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RESERVED FOR REGULAR UPDATES.

NOTICE TO SPREADCOIN HOLDERS. SEE HERE:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1045373.msg18030003#msg18030003


In response to a question. Why do we need to cripple ourselves with patents in an open source culture?


https://twitter.com/wineslinger/status/837326809519677440

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March 01, 2017, 09:30:30 AM
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why have an ann if there's nothing to see  Huh

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Did u use Paint or Photoshop?

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When will the information be released?

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March 01, 2017, 01:26:28 PM
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When will the information be released?



We will be giving updates as often as possible when there is new, relevant information to share. As pointed out, this is a pre-announcement so you can expect many more updates coming in the future (bookmark this thread, trust me  Smiley )
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When will the information be released?



We will be giving updates as often as possible when there is new, relevant information to share. As pointed out, this is a pre-announcement so you can expect many more updates coming in the future (bookmark this thread, trust me  Smiley )

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sorry bruv, but I'll be taking everything you say with a pinch of salt.....


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March 01, 2017, 01:35:42 PM
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Will be waiting what are the 2 patents all about...
At least it will not be a copycat  as compared to others.  Cool

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i have to agree with many here, why make a Pre Ann if you are posting no info whatsoever? go ahead and give us all something to chew on or mull over for a while? but with what you posted it simply says your paranoid and haven't intentions of informing anyone of anything ever....
so why even make this pre ann?

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i have to agree with many here, why make a Pre Ann if you are posting no info whatsoever? go ahead and give us all something to chew on or mull over for a while? but with what you posted it simply says your paranoid and haven't intentions of informing anyone of anything ever....
so why even make this pre ann?

If you have worked with coins101 before you will know that his ideas have been discussed for over a year now on BCT.  He has released whitepapers before which form a progression of his idea to the point it is at now.

Given that I have been part of these discussions and have been lucky enough to review his whitepaper, I wouldn't write this thread off just yet.

In any case, the bloke has a good reputation.  I doubt he is going to deliberately waste people's time. Don't be so quick to write this off until you have given him a chance to enlighten you. If you can't wait, maybe hunt down some of his previous research and you might learn something.

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March 01, 2017, 05:29:56 PM
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Some history on how I got here instead of being an active member of the Dash team:

..Ideas for Master Nodes are coming through. One or two of them will be put forward for development. That should attract lots of other developers to the project.

This is pretty close to the genesis for the idea of making something similar to PayPal using the blockchain and Master Nodes:

Can Master Nodes be used to validate and execute payments using an email address?

Like>

Allocate funds from your wallet to a float.

Link an email address to your wallet and also 2FA and or a password

When making a payment on a website, the email address and password / 2FA can instruct Master Nodes to validate the payment from the float which link back to your private keys.

Or something like that.

This idea evolved a bit - you know how Evolution is.

At the time of switching away from Dash, Evan made it clear that he wanted to focus just on making Darkcoin a fast, high volume currency to compete with Bitcoin.

The door was closed to apps that weren't making Darkcoin a faster, bigger currency.  There was no mention of services, which is why I left Darkcoin, because Master Nodes are servers that can handle many different services. So now its time to make sure some of those services I wanted to see built two years ago, actually get built.

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hlm? ...

hmmm ... ok coins101 ...

i like the system in place - but hlm? ...

in all honesty mate - im growing weary of the different places and directions that this is going ...

i would rather have you on my team - with our coin - and grow that way ...

but be that as it may - the ideas you have presented ( and always have presented ) are a good guide as to where the ideas need to go ... though im highly critical of the way this is being done ...

this of course is just my opinion ... but then - no one listened to my opinions way back when mrspread disappeared and georgem took over - and look where it is now ... especially with change of algo - and now ( suggested by meany ) change of codebase ... its obvious this will happen now but for the time being - ill watch from the background - implement that which is already underway in granite ( grn ) - and continue to help here where i ( and cwi ) can ...

there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

#crysx

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why have an ann if there's nothing to see  Huh



100% this. Why are people posting pre-ann WITH NO INFORMATION?!?!

Get your facts straight. Create a business plan and present it correctly....please.

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there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

#crysx

To deliver a huge undertaking you need a team of devs, working together on a concerted agreed plan combined with a supportive and engaged community. A lone wolf, refusing to engage his community and asking for money to see non functional demo wallets is not likely to implement coins101's ideas.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if coins101 wanted to hurt the project you speak of in any way. Perhaps the two can coexist.

Coins101, when are you going to provide more info?

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March 02, 2017, 08:57:33 AM
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there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

#crysx

To deliver a huge undertaking you need a team of devs, working together on a concerted agreed plan combined with a supportive and engaged community. A lone wolf, refusing to engage his community and asking for money to see non functional demo wallets is not likely to implement coins101's ideas.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if coins101 wanted to hurt the project you speak of in any way. Perhaps the two can coexist.

Coins101, when are you going to provide more info?

hence why i made the statement ...

i have a great deal of respect for coins and yourself - as well as quite a few others ...

#crysx

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there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

#crysx

To deliver a huge undertaking you need a team of devs, working together on a concerted agreed plan combined with a supportive and engaged community. A lone wolf, refusing to engage his community and asking for money to see non functional demo wallets is not likely to implement coins101's ideas.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if coins101 wanted to hurt the project you speak of in any way. Perhaps the two can coexist.

Coins101, when are you going to provide more info?

We do need to give people an idea of what is going to happen and when. 100% agree with that.

In terms of the first steps, I will be updating the OP fairly regularly to build it up.

We already made the Spreadcoin community know about the intentions to do an economic fork. The escrow process is coming along and we have a very trusted BCT member that is open to helping out on that.

Roughly when the technical fork will happen and more details about the project plans will be posted for Tuesday, which gives a few days to produce the update and an outline road map. I suspect the HLM project team will offer to do a lot of the low value swaps leaving the escrow to handle the bigger swaps. This will cut down on the amount of effort they need to put in and gives them a decent return on effort in terms of their fees.

By doing an economic fork, people can be assured that whatever coins they have in Spreadcoin they will get the same in HLM. So we effectively have an open and liquid market as of right now.

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hlm? ...
hmmm ... ok coins101 ...
i like the system in place - but hlm? ...
That's going to end up being the ticker. Releasing the project name now would mean we get people registering domains, github, etc.




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there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

I'm going to fix that.

After securing some IPR, development and implementation is the main priority. We'll sort out dev team funding right from the start.

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there is never any shortage of ideas - but to implement is a very huge undertaking ...

#crysx

To deliver a huge undertaking you need a team of devs, working together on a concerted agreed plan combined with a supportive and engaged community. A lone wolf, refusing to engage his community and asking for money to see non functional demo wallets is not likely to implement coins101's ideas.

Having said that, I'd be surprised if coins101 wanted to hurt the project you speak of in any way. Perhaps the two can coexist.

Coins101, when are you going to provide more info?

hence why i made the statement ...

i have a great deal of respect for coins and yourself - as well as quite a few others ...

#crysx

Kind words, thanks mate. 

I'd like to point out that I have no involvement in Coins' plans at the moment.  I'm fully occupied elsewhere right now.

This could change in the future but at the moment I'm just really interested to see where this goes.

Having said that, I'm always happy to help a worthwhile project if I have the time and ability to do so. Lets see how this pans out.

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