@RogerVer lets make a deal. At least 60k, my BTU for your BTC.

[TooDumbForBitcoin]

Roger Ver thinks he is the ultimate whale of bitcoin when he is a nobody compared to real 2010-2011 tier whales

Pretty sure there are some 500.000 BTC+ cryptopunks out there reading this thread.

Im sure Roger Ver will find some excuse to not make the public deal because he isn't going to dump, he's just bluffing.

Bitcoin Unlimited nodes are crashing again due a bug. There are 0% chances the market will support BTU.

The (small but noisy) segment of the market's economic nodes currently attacking Bitcoin are running Core while signaling BTU support.

No matter.  Roger is a snotty punk (especially) compared to the 500k+ BTC Arcturian Megavoidwhales who frolic in the deep beyond Valhalla, singing to their God, the ultimate whale, Satoshi Himself.

Is that your girl Le Pen there in the middle?  She's off on a date with Putin.  I wonder if Putin and Trump know the meaning of menage a trois.

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[muyuu]

It takes some time to work out the details on a deal this size. My first e-mail to Roger Ver bounced, apparently he had over 10k e-mails spam attack last few days. But my second e-mail got through. He's hoping to connect to Loaded this weekend, so no conclusion yet, but he did not decline the offer for a pool to participate in the deal. Let's just give it some more time and see.

Thanks for the update.

Fingers crossed he's stubborn enough to go all the way. I'm all in.

[notthematrix]

It takes some time to work out the details on a deal this size. My first e-mail to Roger Ver bounced, apparently he had over 10k e-mails spam attack last few days. But my second e-mail got through. He's hoping to connect to Loaded this weekend, so no conclusion yet, but he did not decline the offer for a pool to participate in the deal. Let's just give it some more time and see.

We see after the weekend
He should set up a wallet like loaded and sign a message.
to see he is for real.
I only will be satisfied when i see a signed announcement on his twitter.
with a wallet with at least 40.000 BTC....
like loaded did.
and no excuses , only math and signing well help him here.

[notthematrix]

It takes some time to work out the details on a deal this size. My first e-mail to Roger Ver bounced, apparently he had over 10k e-mails spam attack last few days. But my second e-mail got through. He's hoping to connect to Loaded this weekend, so no conclusion yet, but he did not decline the offer for a pool to participate in the deal. Let's just give it some more time and see.

We see after the weekend
He should set up a wallet like loaded and sign a message.
to see he is for real.
I only will be satisfied when i see a signed announcement on his twitter.
with a wallet with at least 40.000 BTC....
like loaded did.
and no excuses , only math and signing well help him here.

The next logical step for Ver would be to sign
A message with a wallet containing
40.000 btc minimum.
To prove he is for real.
Roger shows this on his twitter.
And loaded wil contact roger.
That would be the most forward
Way if dealing.
Roger can fake telling he could not
Reach loaded.
But by signing a message on the blockchain loaded must response.
Now roger did only say things but no action as loaded to tell he is for real.

Why do it this way?
Because its bitcoin and bitcoin is ttustless

[Loaded]

I have yet to receive any contact. Will be on vacation with spotty internet until Monday.

[jay8291]

I have yet to receive any contact. Will be on vacation with spotty internet until Monday.

You wont get any reply, bcoz he is just Bluffing. He wanted to create Panic. But he just failed when you showed up.

WELL DONE!!

[jonald_fyookball]

im sure Roger will reply as he already stated he's interested.

OP, if the minority chain is forced to change PoW, would that change the deal?

[rizzlarolla]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?
If there is a fork to Unlimited with ~80% hash power, leaving 20% mining Core, are you still all in?

If there was an immediate block size increase activation with an Unlimited fork, then there would be no loss of confirmed tx's per second
No noticeable change to the network usability. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about 17 days.

If Core continue with 20%, blocks will take 5 times longer to find, about 50 minutes each block. Still on 1mb, tx confirmation will be about 20% of now.
Fees will skyrocket, many tx's will never confirm. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about two and a half months.

Just because you are a Core supporter, doesn't change these facts.
Will you (and all the other's saying they will swap their Unlimited bitcoin for Roger's Core bitcoin) commit to swapping under these circumstances?
This is after all how Bitcoin was always meant to work.

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vvv Give it up Banks vvv

Anyone Who know anything about bitcoin knows difficulty is king.
Changing difficulty is admitting defeat. Off topic here.
Difficulty gives Bitcoin security, which give it value. Good luck with that "easily attacked" coin.

[Carlton Banks]

im sure Roger will reply as he already stated he's interested.

OP, if the minority chain is forced to change PoW, would that change the deal?

Give it up jonald


Changing the PoW should happen, too many miners have demonstrated they don't deserve their privileged position. But being forced isn't going to happen, pre-emptive graduated PoW change is the least disruptive way to do it, and I'm going to be making sure that everyone knows the major advantages to Bitcoin pre-emptively changing PoW will bring.


Your scare tactics won't work, your modus operandi has run it's course. No-one is ever going to accept an external hard-fork "improvement" attempt now, 3 times failed should be enough to prove that.


The emergency hard-fork is for genuine emergencies only, you've cried wolf too many times

[jonald_fyookball]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?
If there is a fork to Unlimited with ~80% hash power, leaving 20% mining Core, are you still all in?

If there was an immediate block size increase activation with an Unlimited fork, then there would be no loss of confirmed tx's per second
No noticeable change to the network usability. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about 17 days.

If Core continue with 20%, blocks will take 5 times longer to find, about 50 minutes each block. Still on 1mb, tx confirmation will be about 20% of now.
Fees will skyrocket, many tx's will never confirm. Difficulty adjustment will occur within about two and a half months.

Just because you are a Core supporter, doesn't change these facts.
Will you (and all the other's saying they will swap their Unlimited bitcoin for Roger's Core bitcoin) commit to swapping under these circumstances?
This is after all how Bitcoin was always meant to work.

Actually, coinbase and bitpay are advocating that the majority chain also mine empty blocks on the minority chain to kill it intentionally (in order to prevent a confusing split).
Minority chain would have to HF its PoW to continue.  This would allow them to reset the difficulty but existing wallets would not be compatible with the minority alt coin, I assume.

[eddie13]

I think that everyone sitting here calling Ver all sorts of names is quite disrespectful, quite the same as a bunch of libtards running around calling Trump a racist child molester, have some respect...

As far as signing an address with over 40k BTC, well, if I had that much BTC I highly doubt I would have it stored that centralized in a single address. I would probably have it distributed in a bunch of cold addresses containing 100-1000 BTC each..

I think it would be nice for Ver to sign a staked address of some sort with acceptance of the deal proving it's him and making it official, but what reason do any of you really have to doubt that it is Ver himself and not an impostor?

I opined that I don't think Ver will take the deal because I don't think it's a good deal for him, I think it is likely he could do better on the open market, but this deal being done by Ver and Loaded, plus anyone else that wants to join, is very good for Bitcoion ad BU..
If this amount of BTC/BTU can be swapped off market that is a whole lot less of each that will get dumped after the split helping both retain more value after the fact which is good for me because I'll probably just sit on my private keys for a while and see what happens, so this many coins out of the hands of dumpers is very good for my strategy..

Here's a lot of respect to both Loaded and Ver for their displays of conviction..
If I was Ver I might leave you all hanging on a string too, let the haters hate and just make me more famous, tease em for a bit..

Myself I don't think I personally stand with either BU or Segwit, I think they both have their merits and it's a shame they can't come together and implement both IMO..
I don't really want to see big blocks but no new tech, or new tech and not bigger blocks, I would much rather see bigger blocks without a hardcoded limit AND new tech..
I think a hardcoded blocksize limit is far from ideal as it pretty much guarantees another fight over a fork sometime in the future when we again need to scale..
LN, great, but I don't see that being very good for the average user like me..

It is what it is, I just hope you all pull your heads out of your asses before you destroy this grand experiment..

[muyuu]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

[sammy007]

Changing the PoW should happen, too many miners have demonstrated they don't deserve their privileged position.

You have several thousands of shitcoins with various algos to chose. Privileged position? Miners are dirty workers, pay them more they will follow you.

[Carlton Banks]

Miners are dirty workers, pay them more they will follow you.

These miners aren't hungry, they're greedy. Levelling the playing field will change that. The current miners already have too much, you have it entirely backwards

[BitcoinBarrel]

I am so sick and tired of people's fears pushing them to change Bitcoin into a different Alt coin. Let Bitcoin remain the way it was created as a TESTament to Satoshi. SATOSHI wanted 1 MB blocks, not 2MB or unlimited block-size.

Let's see how Bitcoin performs against all the Alt coins many years later.

If people start using another coin for micro transactions SO WHAT! Everything has its place.

[deeplink]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

BCC/BTC is around 0.75 @ https://www.bitfinex.com/stats

You can effectively swap to 1.33 BCC for every BTC you have right now.

[rizzlarolla]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

Thanks, yes, that look's pretty clear to me.
Loaded seem's to be saying something different, he want's to be able to review his position pre-swap, as i read it.

[eddie13]

SATOSHI wanted 1 MB blocks, not 2MB or unlimited block-size.

Are you sure about that?
Iirc I'm pretty sure he started with something much more than that and even said that it should be adjusted when needed..

[muyuu]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

BCC/BTC is around 0.75 @ https://www.bitfinex.com/stats

You can effectively swap to 1.33 BCC for every BTC you have right now.

And why would I do that if Ver is giving me a full BTC?

[deeplink]

I'm all in.

As long as there is a clause that states you can bailout anytime, just like loaded?

In any situation where there are BTCs and BTUs to swap, I will swap everything into BTC. Is that clear?

BCC/BTC is around 0.75 @ https://www.bitfinex.com/stats

You can effectively swap to 1.33 BCC for every BTC you have right now.

And why would I do that if Ver is giving me a full BTC?

I don't know, maybe because:
A) Ver is not going to make that deal
B) That hypothetical deal would be after the hardfork that will not happen
C) You want to minimize your counterparty risk
D) All of the above.