Fourth alt coin thread last three got oversized.

[Marvell1]

I am waiting for people to start dumping off their 1060 and 1070's after a half reclaim on ROI.... you will finally see the cards for what they should be selling for ~160 for a 1060 and ~260 for a 1070.   Those are more realistic second-hand prices.

I just had a local guy on CL debate with me on how his EVGA GTX1060 that he bought for $200 shelf price a month ago are not worth the $320 he was asking for them.... and when I worked him down to $220 cash for one card, that was advertised as being "BNIB", I asked for a zoomed in in focus picture of the PCIE plug to see if it is indeed unused, wherein I got no response back.


So yeah;  I am glad I got my buddy to build his miners before all this fell apart (the 1Kls link);  hes already paid off most if not all of it; and all the profits from now on are clean cut.   His power for his house is included in his rent;  so he's heating his house for the summer XD

only a fool would ever sell a 1070 for under 300 man , even next year unless it has been mining 247 for 3 years and is out of waranty.  Heck Id be shocked to see one for under 350 till 2019

[philipma1957]

I feel ya phil.  This feels like the days when zpool was xpool.... just scraping by on small profits back then.

Are you only on ZEC with your nvidia gear?   I have been maintaining a nice steady profit with NIST5;  it hasn't been huge, but its been reliable to me as skien was before....

http://zpool.ca/?address=1kLsGT9egk3utSKZH46ydTbKj5oMnmBoN
http://zpool.ca/?address=1PHSDYvVp6HpqtuUPocK41DrdeHbbezaeP

I am missing the days of 10mbtc/2days with my 3x 1070 equivalent hashrate;  now with my 2x 1070 equivalent;  I am lucky to see 15mbtc/week....

DGB being < 400 is quite a hit to the algos as well.  if it werent so low, skien would be better still.  At least network diff on DGB will be dropping again finally.    My home pc used to find many blocks/day when it was not on the radar.

I got nist5 running  will test over night

[EvilMonkey]

So I have got all my risers and I am trying to do 4 1080ti's on one board with 2 risers.

So that is 10 6/8 pin connectors.  I only have 8 and a 1000W  PSU.   Two of those 8 cables have this kind of cable on it.  WHen is it ok to use this kind of cable.  Can you power one 1080 ti off this cable?
I tested it on an older card and I worked I dunno what kinda power it draws though but it required an 8pin and a 6pin.



My risers are these  https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.aliexpress.com%2Fitem%2FUpdated-New-USB-3-0-PCI-E-Express-1x-Extender-Riser-Card-Adapter-SATA-6-PIN%2F32819031074.html&h=ATNjbNrZld8_ZY3wO7SEjlUCp6uV1rVMf0bV4Ozd2RjnMO29kHyjvhTHHg10oV-qmjvGRBlhX4skXRKlDfYGUyzjtNbpz0Rx0PE8jI7PGYcf1nKWpiRZDPkfFxHlk8QhLteMeGieEzw

They come with this kind of cable.  Which I understand is not powerful enough to power 1080ti in a riser.
https://i.imgur.com/8vy7119.jpg

Would this work instead? My only worry is that I will only be able to power one riser this way becuase both PSU's I have only have 125w accross teh +3.3v and +5v rails or do the perifial cables also run on the +12V main rail? https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1PC-New-PCI-E-6-Pin-to-2X-4-Pin-Dual-4Pin-Graphics-Video-Display-Card/32731993629.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10136_10137_10175_10111_10060_10112_10113_10155_10114_5360016_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_10189_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_7&btsid=b7415050-1ce1-4113-b92c-ee351b891843&algo_expid=64f036fc-17d0-4aa3-83ed-2f5bee714d41-1&algo_pvid=64f036fc-17d0-4aa3-83ed-2f5bee714d41

Or this?  The one above is better correct?  https://www.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-lot-Dual-two-SATA-15-Pin-Male-M-to-PCI-e-Express-Card-6-Pin/32776402943.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10136_10137_10175_10111_10060_10112_10113_10155_10114_5360016_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_10189_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_7&btsid=b7415050-1ce1-4113-b92c-ee351b891843&algo_expid=64f036fc-17d0-4aa3-83ed-2f5bee714d41-18&algo_pvid=64f036fc-17d0-4aa3-83ed-2f5bee714d41

And lastly I see this as an option. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Factory-Price-6-pin-PCI-Express-to-2-x-PCIe-8-6-2-pin-Motherboard-Graphics/32793579058.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_5_10152_10065_10151_10068_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10110_10136_10137_10175_10111_10060_10112_5360018_10113_10155_10114_10154_438_10056_10055_10054_10182_10059_100031_10099_10078_10079_10103_10073_10102_10189_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051-10050,searchweb201603_1,ppcSwitch_7&btsid=2ed9ddbd-cdcc-415b-80a0-d23908771637&algo_expid=5382d6e8-2ccd-4491-b37c-68090139f379-11&algo_pvid=5382d6e8-2ccd-4491-b37c-68090139f379  I have seasonic and silverstone 1000W PSU the cables that come with them are interchangeable but my EVGA uses a different pinout.  The seasonic and silverstone seem to use a standard pin out so I was thinking those generic cables from ali express might be the go.  Both my 1000W PSU have several free slots for PCI-e Power cables, I just don't have enough left.

Appreciate any help as I am running a whole extra rig that I dont need to run.  

Anyone able to provide some insight?  The main thing is I want to know if I can run a single 1080ti off the single cable pictured.  Running a whole extra rig I dont need until I figure this out.

[zer0k]

I am waiting for people to start dumping off their 1060 and 1070's after a half reclaim on ROI.... you will finally see the cards for what they should be selling for ~160 for a 1060 and ~260 for a 1070.   Those are more realistic second-hand prices.

I just had a local guy on CL debate with me on how his EVGA GTX1060 that he bought for $200 shelf price a month ago are not worth the $320 he was asking for them.... and when I worked him down to $220 cash for one card, that was advertised as being "BNIB", I asked for a zoomed in in focus picture of the PCIE plug to see if it is indeed unused, wherein I got no response back.


So yeah;  I am glad I got my buddy to build his miners before all this fell apart (the 1Kls link);  hes already paid off most if not all of it; and all the profits from now on are clean cut.   His power for his house is included in his rent;  so he's heating his house for the summer XD

only a fool would ever sell a 1070 for under 300 man , even next year unless it has been mining 247 for 3 years and is out of waranty.  Heck Id be shocked to see one for under 350 till 2019

Huh? How do you figure that out?

Newegg was selling them brand new for $319 on Ebay before the boom.
I don't think it will be too long until we see them back down in the 300's and then even lower. Especially before 2019

[Marvell1]

I am waiting for people to start dumping off their 1060 and 1070's after a half reclaim on ROI.... you will finally see the cards for what they should be selling for ~160 for a 1060 and ~260 for a 1070.   Those are more realistic second-hand prices.

I just had a local guy on CL debate with me on how his EVGA GTX1060 that he bought for $200 shelf price a month ago are not worth the $320 he was asking for them.... and when I worked him down to $220 cash for one card, that was advertised as being "BNIB", I asked for a zoomed in in focus picture of the PCIE plug to see if it is indeed unused, wherein I got no response back.


So yeah;  I am glad I got my buddy to build his miners before all this fell apart (the 1Kls link);  hes already paid off most if not all of it; and all the profits from now on are clean cut.   His power for his house is included in his rent;  so he's heating his house for the summer XD

only a fool would ever sell a 1070 for under 300 man , even next year unless it has been mining 247 for 3 years and is out of waranty.  Heck Id be shocked to see one for under 350 till 2019

Huh? How do you figure that out?

Newegg was selling them brand new for $319 on Ebay before the boom.
I don't think it will be too long until we see them back down in the 300's and then even lower. Especially before 2019

things have changes forever since then, back then there was a glutt of 1070s since even casuaal gamers preferrd the rx series due to price, now rx series are no longer the best mining card anymore and even if rx prices come back to 200 250, a used 1070 is still a better option not only for gaming but mining by far due to the epoc nerf.

even when eth is unminable 1070 is stil far far better at everything else, you wont see sub 300 or even 350 1070s until maybe volta witch wont be in much quantity till 2019

[zer0k]

So I have got all my risers and I am trying to do 4 1080ti's on one board with 2 risers.

So that is 10 6/8 pin connectors.  I only have 8 and a 1000W  PSU.   Two of those 8 cables have this kind of cable on it.  WHen is it ok to use this kind of cable.  Can you power one 1080 ti off this cable?
I tested it on an older card and I worked I dunno what kinda power it draws though but it required an 8pin and a 6pin.

Anyone able to provide some insight?  The main thing is I want to know if I can run a single 1080ti off the single cable pictured.  Running a whole extra rig I dont need until I figure this out.

I'm running 5 x 1080ti off very similar cables that have a single cable at the PSU end and then an 8 pin and a 6+2 pin on the GPU end.
My power supply is a Rosewill Tokamak 1500W and my cards are pulling 1000+ watt without too many issues

[fr4nkthetank]

that looks like a standard vga cable, evga or likewise.  You can put the 6+2 and the 6, or 6+2 and 6+2 on one 1080ti without problems.  just check your cables to see if they are warm/hot.  you'll be pulling 200w and those cables can take more.  In case of doubt, just email the PSU company and ask them

[philipma1957]

i run all my 1080 ti's off cables like that.

I use evga 750 p2
I use evga  850 p2
I use rosewill tokamak   1500 tit
I use rosewill quark 850 plat

I like the rose will a lot  the quark 850's   are as lot as 130 usd on eBay


you can do 4 1080 ti's at 70%

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-Quark-Series-850-Watt-Full-Modular-80-Plus-Platinum-Certified-ATX12V-EP-/262964124127?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-Quark-Series-850W-Full-Modular-Gaming-Power-Supply-with-LED-Indicator-/291426924760?

[ToTheMoon888]

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death?  
The profitability of Ethereum mining is highly correlated to the profitability of all gpu mining.  As Ethereum becomes less profitable, people switch their rigs to other coins, which in turns makes their difficulty go up.
Ethereum's difficulty is going up exponentially, and I am also hearing there will be a halving within a month (is this true)?

Of course there is some equilibrium.  Eventually mining becomes unprofitable enough that many quit and the difficulty goes down.  But the only players left competing will be those with sub 4 cent electricity and those who have access to big bulk discounted deals on GPUs and other parts.   I assume that the ROI will be around 12-16 months when this happens and that will probably be as bad as it gets.  

It seems like the only thing that can spark a resurgence in GPU mining is if the price of coins go way up.  And I'm thinking at least 5x higher than they are now (which is very possible).  

Would like to hear some of your thoughts on the future of GPU mining and the best strategies moving forward.  

[EvilMonkey]

i run all my 1080 ti's off cables like that.

I use evga 750 p2
I use evga  850 p2
I use rosewill tokamak   1500 tit
I use rosewill quark 850 plat

I like the rose will a lot  the quark 850's   are as lot as 130 usd on eBay


you can do 4 1080 ti's at 70%

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-Quark-Series-850-Watt-Full-Modular-80-Plus-Platinum-Certified-ATX12V-EP-/262964124127?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Rosewill-Quark-Series-850W-Full-Modular-Gaming-Power-Supply-with-LED-Indicator-/291426924760?

Thanks just free'd up heaps of cables in my rigs.  Unfortunately I am in new zealand where we are limited in what brands and deals we can buy

[JustCauseBIH]

Hi there,

how to undervolt using watttool? I have RX 570 asus expedition 4GB OC. Can anyone help me what settings to use for undevolting?

Im not quite sure what to change and how to test it by best way.

[Gridden]

Hello guys, i'm new to the mining business, bad timing for what i've seen in this thread 

I've got my KFA2 GTX 1060 6G at a stable 24 MH/s Eth (W10) and i wonder what would be the most profitable thing to mine with it. (and if you have any advice about it, it would be awesome. )

I'm considering building a rig but don't really know what would be the best GPU to buy, any advice? i'm living in EU and considering investing about 2,5K€ (6 or 8 GPU). The goal been first, not loose any money over it, then try to earn some while having fun discovering.

ty for your time guys.

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death? 
The profitability of Ethereum mining is highly correlated to the profitability of all gpu mining.  As Ethereum becomes less profitable, people switch their rigs to other coins, which in turns makes their difficulty go up.
Ethereum's difficulty is going up exponentially, and I am also hearing there will be a halving within a month (is this true)?

Of course there is some equilibrium.  Eventually mining becomes unprofitable enough that many quit and the difficulty goes down.  But the only players left competing will be those with sub 4 cent electricity and those who have access to big bulk discounted deals on GPUs and other parts.   I assume that the ROI will be around 12-16 months when this happens and that will probably be as bad as it gets. 

It seems like the only thing that can spark a resurgence in GPU mining is if the price of coins go way up.  And I'm thinking at least 5x higher than they are now (which is very possible). 

Would like to hear some of your thoughts on the future of GPU mining and the best strategies moving forward. 

Hey guys, would be great to hear your thoughts on the matter. i read a few posts on the fork in bitcoin but couldn't understand really well, ty.

[philipma1957]

Hello guys, i'm new to the mining business, bad timing for what i've seen in this thread  

I've got my KFA2 GTX 1060 6G at a stable 24 MH/s Eth (W10) and i wonder what would be the most profitable thing to mine with it. (and if you have any advice about it, it would be awesome. )

I'm considering building a rig but don't really know what would be the best GPU to buy, any advice? i'm living in EU and considering investing about 2,5K€ (6 or 8 GPU). The goal been first, not loose any money over it, then try to earn some while having fun discovering.

ty for your time guys.

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death?  
The profitability of Ethereum mining is highly correlated to the profitability of all gpu mining.  As Ethereum becomes less profitable, people switch their rigs to other coins, which in turns makes their difficulty go up.
Ethereum's difficulty is going up exponentially, and I am also hearing there will be a halving within a month (is this true)?

Of course there is some equilibrium.  Eventually mining becomes unprofitable enough that many quit and the difficulty goes down.  But the only players left competing will be those with sub 4 cent electricity and those who have access to big bulk discounted deals on GPUs and other parts.   I assume that the ROI will be around 12-16 months when this happens and that will probably be as bad as it gets.  

It seems like the only thing that can spark a resurgence in GPU mining is if the price of coins go way up.  And I'm thinking at least 5x higher than they are now (which is very possible).  

Would like to hear some of your thoughts on the future of GPU mining and the best strategies moving forward.  

Hey guys, would be great to hear your thoughts on the matter. i read a few posts on the fork in bitcoin but couldn't understand really well, ty.

FUD = Fear, uncertainty and doubt

Right now  that is king for crypto coins.

Fear = those that bet their left nut on the bull run are overextended  and scared shitless.
Doubt = those that made a few bad moves  doubt what they did.

Uncertainty  = no one really knows where the coins  will shift how prices will hold up etc.


I offer you this  certainty = we all be dead in 150 years or less

I offer you this for fear  there is big money in the game  over 100 billion in coin and gear.

Intel
Amd
Nvidia
Corsair
Evga
Sapphire
Zotac
Asrock
Asus
Biostar
Dell
HP

and many companies  have a vested interest in selling us pc's for mining.

For doubt  I offer you this  the list of companies above do not want gpu mining to fail.

So  for now simply  under clock under volt  and thread water.

For the  btc split  use some gear for core wallets.

I built a new core 14

I am updating this core 11 to a 14.
I can only have one online at a time
but I will have 2 core wallets

lastly I sold enough coins to pay all mining bills and to have money  to buy back coins  if there is a real crash.

[Gridden]

Hello guys, i'm new to the mining business, bad timing for what i've seen in this thread  

I've got my KFA2 GTX 1060 6G at a stable 24 MH/s Eth (W10) and i wonder what would be the most profitable thing to mine with it. (and if you have any advice about it, it would be awesome. )

I'm considering building a rig but don't really know what would be the best GPU to buy, any advice? i'm living in EU and considering investing about 2,5K€ (6 or 8 GPU). The goal been first, not loose any money over it, then try to earn some while having fun discovering.

ty for your time guys.

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death?  
The profitability of Ethereum mining is highly correlated to the profitability of all gpu mining.  As Ethereum becomes less profitable, people switch their rigs to other coins, which in turns makes their difficulty go up.
Ethereum's difficulty is going up exponentially, and I am also hearing there will be a halving within a month (is this true)?

Of course there is some equilibrium.  Eventually mining becomes unprofitable enough that many quit and the difficulty goes down.  But the only players left competing will be those with sub 4 cent electricity and those who have access to big bulk discounted deals on GPUs and other parts.   I assume that the ROI will be around 12-16 months when this happens and that will probably be as bad as it gets.  

It seems like the only thing that can spark a resurgence in GPU mining is if the price of coins go way up.  And I'm thinking at least 5x higher than they are now (which is very possible).  

Would like to hear some of your thoughts on the future of GPU mining and the best strategies moving forward.  

Hey guys, would be great to hear your thoughts on the matter. i read a few posts on the fork in bitcoin but couldn't understand really well, ty.

FUD = Fear, uncertainty and doubt

Right now  that is king for crypto coins.

Fear = those that bet their left nut on the bull run are overextended  and scared shitless.
Doubt = those that made a few bad moves  doubt what they did.

Uncertainty  = no one really knows where the coins  will shift how prices will hold up etc.


I offer you this  certainty = we all be dead in 150 years or less

I offer you this for fear  there is big money in the game  over 100 billion in coin and gear.

Intel
Amd
Nvidia
Corsair
Evga
Sapphire
Zotac
Asrock
Asus
Biostar
Dell
HP

and many companies  have a vested interest in selling us pc's for mining.

For doubt  I offer you this  the list of companies above do not want gpu mining to fail.

So  for now simply  under clock under volt  and thread water.

For the  btc split  use some gear for core wallets.

I built a new core 14

I am updating this core 11 to a 14.
I can only have one online at a time
but I will have 2 core wallets

lastly I sold enough coins to pay all mining bills and to have money  to buy back coins  if there is a real crash.

https://i.imgur.com/N79HGn6.png

Ty for that insight, but more personnal, what about my first quote? could you help me a bit,give me some leads? i'm kind of in the dark right now...

i tried Eth and Zcash, just know some other coins by name. I figured it would be better to start mining something easier with just one card, for the fun, and hold it hoping one day it reaches some high spikes.

In the meantime, I was thinking about building a rig on Eth, but not so much anymore considering it dropped quite a lot these past few days. it's a big investment at the time with the shortage on GPU.

[Astonuse]

I offer you this for fear  there is big money in the game  over 100 billion in coin and gear.

Intel
Amd
Nvidia
Corsair
Evga
Sapphire
Zotac
Asrock
Asus
Biostar
Dell
HP

and many companies  have a vested interest in selling us pc's for mining.

For doubt  I offer you this  the list of companies above do not want gpu mining to fail.

So  for now simply  under clock under volt  and thread water.

For the  btc split  use some gear for core wallets.

I built a new core 14

I am updating this core 11 to a 14.
I can only have one online at a time
but I will have 2 core wallets

lastly I sold enough coins to pay all mining bills and to have money  to buy back coins  if there is a real crash.

https://i.imgur.com/N79HGn6.png

When do you think these companies will pump? If they overinvested in the mining, they might be in big trouble.

[vg54dett]

In case someone interested, I managed to grab few brand new AMD GPUs.
I don't plan to use them.
I know they are out of stock everywhere, but if someone in the thread can be interested, please PM.

@:Phil, hope you don't mind. You can delete if needed.

[dragonmike]

What's the rationale behind using two core wallets?

[kopija]

Whats the rationale behind believing that hardware companies invested money in crypto?

[QuintLeo]

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death?   

 It's just you - we've been in an incredible surge the last 3 months or so, now things have corrected some and there might be a shakeout happening a bit sooner than I expected.
 GPU mining is STILL a ton more profitable than it was last year at this time though.

I offer you this for fear  there is big money in the game  over 100 billion in coin and gear.

Intel
Amd
Nvidia
Corsair
Evga
Sapphire
Zotac
Asrock
Asus
Biostar
Dell
HP

 Intel, Dell, and HP don't belong on that list. Intel isn't selling many if any HIGH PROFIT CPUs to miners, Dell and HP don't sell systems suited for mining at all.

 Corsair is iffy - not all that many miners that like their power supplies, especially to the large number that talk about using EVGA.

 AMD is without doubt #1 on that list by quite a bit, between GPU chipsets sold AND some extra CPUs sold.


 I don't think Phil is saying "invested" so much as "sales driven up noticeably by sales to miners".

[Gridden]

Is it just me or is GPU mining dying a very quick death?   

 It's just you - we've been in an incredible surge the last 3 months or so, now things have corrected some and there might be a shakeout happening a bit sooner than I expected.
 GPU mining is STILL a ton more profitable than it was last year at this time though.

I offer you this for fear  there is big money in the game  over 100 billion in coin and gear.

Intel
Amd
Nvidia
Corsair
Evga
Sapphire
Zotac
Asrock
Asus
Biostar
Dell
HP

 Intel, Dell, and HP don't belong on that list. Intel isn't selling many if any HIGH PROFIT CPUs to miners, Dell and HP don't sell systems suited for mining at all.

 Corsair is iffy - not all that many miners that like their power supplies, especially to the large number that talk about using EVGA.

 AMD is without doubt #1 on that list by quite a bit, between GPU chipsets sold AND some extra CPUs sold.


 I don't think Phil is saying "invested" so much as "sales driven up noticeably by sales to miners".

what coins are the most profitable at this time?