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@GabryRox
The MSI-Gaming M5 is based on the Z170 chipset which is ... to be frank... its PITA... pain in the ass
If you want to venture into 7,8,9 GPU rigs --- get the Z270 ones which is much more reliable on smOS, nvOC Linux and W10.
However there are special images by smOS and nvOC specifically for this board to work.
But frankly.... the reality is mining will be expensive to get into soon -- even NVIDIA has a mining GPU GTX1060 Mining edition.
Thanks for the advice Cit & Chilidog... the Z270's look like really nice boards, so if and when I can find some decently priced GPU's I may consider going for 1-2 of them. I already am running 4 6x MSI 470 rigs, and would like to get 1-2 more up and running, but as Cit mentioned, the reality is that it would cost a severe premium to build more rigs now due to 1) global shortage of 580/570 and pretty much no 480/470's left in the supply chain and 2) the 2 to 4x cost of NVidia cards compared to Radeon. I'll be honest, i never really looked hard at the NVidia prices until earlier today, and was astonished to see how much more they cost than AMD cards. Even the lowly 1060's are ~$300, and I think at best they can do what, about the same as a 470 on ZEC (250 S/s)? From there it only seems to get worse... a 1080 can do what, 450-500 S/s on ZEC? Sure, that's 2x what a 470 could do, but about 3x the cost (retail 470, which of course is non-existent now). The thing i can't figure out is the profitability of these higher end NVidia cards. Just plugging the comparison of a 1080 (non-TI ) vs a 470 in whattomine, the 1080 mining ZEC is only 10% at most more profitable than a 470 mining ETH, but at 2-3x the cost, will take much longer to ROI, correct? And, I'm not adding in the extra you could easily get by going dual ETH + DCR or SIA. In that case, the 470 would actually be more profitable than a 1080. So, kind of wondering what the appeal of going NVidia would be, especially before the shortage of 4xx & 5xx cards. Probably I am missing something... power cost heat area used If I run 3 1080ti's I can do 1950 for zec at under 580 watts if I run 6 580's I can do 1750 for zec at 800 watts 3 1080tis on sale = 1770 6 say 580's = 1500 psu a beast for the 580's say the evga 1300 g2 about 200 psu a 750 watt evga for the 750 p2 about 130 risers 1 for the 3x 1080ti's or even none risers 6 for the 580 psu a good one for the nvidia and run xmr the i5 6400t my cpus used on eBay are about 130 I earn 3 a day so the 8 I have are all paid off so the extra mobo extra psu extra cpu costs all go by the way side. as I simple do not go past 4 cards on my 1080 ti builds So on one rig you are running whatever say 3 1080tis for zec then you also get the CPU mining XMR and it doesn't really effect the zec? What are you using for this? I assume you are using nicehash pool but what miner? and are you doing it manually? Do you lower the intensity so there is some CPU for the Zec mining? This could be worth it for me as I have high end gaming CPU anyways. |
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June 12, 2017, 01:37:58 AM |
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For XMR, I've found the old FX-8320e is great.
Microcenter sells them for $80. Bundle a motherboard with an extra $30 off == winning.
Mine gets ~320 sols undervolted with the system pulling less than 120 watts. I don't really know what just the CPU pulls.
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@GabryRox
The MSI-Gaming M5 is based on the Z170 chipset which is ... to be frank... its PITA... pain in the ass
If you want to venture into 7,8,9 GPU rigs --- get the Z270 ones which is much more reliable on smOS, nvOC Linux and W10.
However there are special images by smOS and nvOC specifically for this board to work.
But frankly.... the reality is mining will be expensive to get into soon -- even NVIDIA has a mining GPU GTX1060 Mining edition.
Thanks for the advice Cit & Chilidog... the Z270's look like really nice boards, so if and when I can find some decently priced GPU's I may consider going for 1-2 of them. I already am running 4 6x MSI 470 rigs, and would like to get 1-2 more up and running, but as Cit mentioned, the reality is that it would cost a severe premium to build more rigs now due to 1) global shortage of 580/570 and pretty much no 480/470's left in the supply chain and 2) the 2 to 4x cost of NVidia cards compared to Radeon. I'll be honest, i never really looked hard at the NVidia prices until earlier today, and was astonished to see how much more they cost than AMD cards. Even the lowly 1060's are ~$300, and I think at best they can do what, about the same as a 470 on ZEC (250 S/s)? From there it only seems to get worse... a 1080 can do what, 450-500 S/s on ZEC? Sure, that's 2x what a 470 could do, but about 3x the cost (retail 470, which of course is non-existent now). The thing i can't figure out is the profitability of these higher end NVidia cards. Just plugging the comparison of a 1080 (non-TI ) vs a 470 in whattomine, the 1080 mining ZEC is only 10% at most more profitable than a 470 mining ETH, but at 2-3x the cost, will take much longer to ROI, correct? And, I'm not adding in the extra you could easily get by going dual ETH + DCR or SIA. In that case, the 470 would actually be more profitable than a 1080. So, kind of wondering what the appeal of going NVidia would be, especially before the shortage of 4xx & 5xx cards. Probably I am missing something... if you can find any RX cards today it wont be same price.... gpushack offered me 300 bucks for my 1 year old R9 Nano.... no way jose even though the Nano is a 400+++ sols card, it has TDP of 175w -- so around the specs of 1070 with TDP 150w or less after some tweaking. For ZEC at least, the current graphic architecture seems to be much more superior to AMD so you are likely to get same hash for less NVIDIA cards vs AMD I have 4 x GA-Aorus-1080ti 2600-2700sols but eats nearly 200w per card..... but I need at least 6-7 x Nanos to achieve the same results So I think the math works in favor of Nvidia.... at least for ZEC. For ETH, memory intensivity will be key and cranking that up will increase power consumption but NVIDIA cards can go even higher MHs per card ~ 1080ti can go up 34-36MHs... so maybe NVIDIA cards will thrive on Equihash algo but perhaps not for Ethhash/Dagger-Hashimoto |
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June 12, 2017, 05:59:50 AM |
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Anyone been back on Skein? I have a few things I need to do before I test it again but has it been behaving? Or more has zpool been behaving.
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June 12, 2017, 07:18:01 AM |
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Anyone been back on Skein? I have a few things I need to do before I test it again but has it been behaving? Or more has zpool been behaving.
Skein is still down unfortunately. ZPOOL had some issues, but I think it was more the frontend glitching than any real lost income mining. Skein has taken a dip in price on markets, but am hoping it will rebound in a bit. |
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citronick
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June 12, 2017, 08:06:47 AM |
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any recommendations for a powerful fan like Scythe's Ultra Kaze
purpose: to bring hot air out of riser-less 1080ti from the top
on the hot summers day, the temps can really creep up past 80c easily
alternative is to reduce intensity and mine less aggressively.... :-(
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June 12, 2017, 08:26:21 AM |
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any recommendations for a powerful fan like Scythe's Ultra Kaze
purpose: to bring hot air out of riser-less 1080ti from the top
on the hot summers day, the temps can really creep up past 80c easily
alternative is to reduce intensity and mine less aggressively.... :-(
In which pools can I mine with a GTX 1070? And which are the best coins or algorithms? |
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June 12, 2017, 08:31:45 AM |
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100 % tdp is not the way To mine on a 1080 ti
aorus should be
75% tdp
+75 core
+400 ram
75 % fan manual
for eth mining. do those settings and see what you get.
please trust me on this no 1080 ti need or like 100% tdp
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June 12, 2017, 09:31:22 AM |
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First time mining, any sugestion on what to mine with 2 1080 ti?
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June 12, 2017, 11:45:09 AM |
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June 12, 2017, 07:53:30 PM |
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Am using Hawkfish fans on my rigs. They put out a measely 144 cfm, run nice and quiet (just a light hum). |
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June 12, 2017, 08:07:30 PM |
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Am using Hawkfish fans on my rigs. They put out a measely 144 cfm, run nice and quiet (just a light hum). I am looking at something bigger to be placed on top of the cards, sucking out air and pushing it upwards. I am looking at Cooler Master - Megaflow 200... similar to Phil's link above. Its rated at 110 CFM, 19dBA, 30,000 hours MTBF https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16835103178meanwhile.... I dug out 2 x Ultra Kaze fans from the storeroom.... this was to replace those awful fans on the S7s but the miner decided to stop the woo-woo sound after I downclocked those ants .... I think I got that tip from Phil too. Will try jiggy-rig something on those Ultra-Kaze later meanwhile waiting for Megaflow200 to arrive. |
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flminer
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June 12, 2017, 08:12:09 PM |
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Am using Hawkfish fans on my rigs. They put out a measely 144 cfm, run nice and quiet (just a light hum). I am looking at something bigger to be placed on top of the cards, sucking out air and pushing it upwards. I am looking at Cooler Master - Megaflow 200... similar to Phil's link above. Its rated at 110 CFM, 19dBA, 30,000 hours MTBF https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16835103178Hawkfish fans are smaller in diameter, but they move a lot more air. |
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June 12, 2017, 08:45:40 PM |
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Anyone been back on Skein? I have a few things I need to do before I test it again but has it been behaving? Or more has zpool been behaving.
Skein is still down unfortunately. ZPOOL had some issues, but I think it was more the frontend glitching than any real lost income mining. Skein has taken a dip in price on markets, but am hoping it will rebound in a bit. If I put Skein into a calculator it still comes out more profitable than zec (on 1080 ti). Even though DGB took a bit of a dive. Zpool issues didn't seem to just be front end though it's hard to say. I will give it another go in a few days. |
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June 12, 2017, 08:55:29 PM |
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Man they are beating down btc right now!!
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As I see a super coin as the super highway and alt coins as taxis and trucks needed to move transactions. ~philipma1957
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June 12, 2017, 09:13:43 PM |
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Man they are beating down btc right now!!
I bought BTC..... my hands were trembling, but looking at my ETH farm brings some calm to my trembling hands... exciting times |
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June 12, 2017, 10:14:57 PM |
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Man they are beating down btc right now!!
I bought BTC..... my hands were trembling, but looking at my ETH farm brings some calm to my trembling hands... exciting times Up and down. Up and down. Nothing to worry about  |
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June 13, 2017, 02:32:00 AM |
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can you guys recommend which type of risers I should use? Getting mixed opinions everywhere. I was gonna go with sata risers directly to 6 pins but heard it is dangerous. What is the safest way to power risers?
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citronick
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June 13, 2017, 02:37:37 AM |
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can you guys recommend which type of risers I should use? Getting mixed opinions everywhere. I was gonna go with sata risers directly to 6 pins but heard it is dangerous. What is the safest way to power risers?
I personally prefer PCIE 6pin type (riser version 6?) so that I can reuse my 6pin PCIE cables especially when using server PSU. I have many SATA powered risers in production now and all ok so far. I guess its a matter of good quality build instead of "dangerous", and if your SATA cable connects via molex onto the riser -- ensure that its tight and secured. I suspect that the real danger is when low quality molex doesn't get in proper contact or loosely contact with the 4 pins -- thats where trouble starts... ie. sparks, fire hazard, damaged riser eventually over time. For risers I usually take good look on the quality of the USB3 cable... the ones that are "fat" or shielded likely have 100% uptime compared to the flimsy ... phone charger looking type USB cables... |
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