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April 26, 2023, 09:50:49 AM
Last edit: April 26, 2023, 01:23:38 PM by temple
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All the rumors about Osimhen and his market value are intriguing as nobody really knows how much a player should be worth. Sometimes there is a disconnect between a player's price and what they can actually create in terms of financial return for the club. It would be cool to have a comprehensible overview of player values and generated revenue. But it's not easy as the required breakdown into KPIs and their contribution to a club's financial income would be complicated.

Though I thought I search for some other interesting facts and in terms of Osimhen, the comparison with Haaland was quite interesting because it shows that Haaland still is a class of his own.



Even though it is said below the picture that there is an eerie correlation, I disagree. Haaland's values are so much better that I wonder how they came to the conclusion that there is an eerie correlation. If you take the conversion rate per touch, which I think is more interesting because you can also include the assists value, the following numbers result >

Haaland: He scores a goal every 17.16 touches and assists a goal every 97.62 touches, and he either scores or assists a goal every 14.59 touches!

Osimhen: He scores a goal every 30.12 touches and assists a goal every 208.71 touches, and he either scores or assists a goal every 26.32 touches!

In my opinion there is no correlation, but a huge difference in performance between the two players. Haaland's performance is inhuman. If he can keep up that level for a decade, tell me a single record that he is not going to break...

The following break down is also informative. The first one is from about 10 months ago and the second one is from 3 months ago.





Osimhen is on the rise in terms of statistics and so is Haaland, but the assists still set Mbappe apart from the rest.

So what are your thoughts what the value for Osimhen should be based on the numbers provided here? I look forward to an interesting discussion with you guys.


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April 26, 2023, 11:24:17 AM
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Whatever happened to Aubameyang, I think he needs a club that will appreciate his services, and this shouldn't be any top tier club as their demands will be so high for him to meet them ,maybe a club like Leicester if they survive the cut will be the perfect fit anything else will just draw him closer to retirement.

I still have faith in Aubu; he was performing admirably under Tuchel before his dismissal caused the entire team to fall apart. Letting Aubu go would be another terrible decision given that the team currently lacks a natural striker. Aubu is a good finisher with pace; what he needs is a coach who has plans for him and who can make the midfield work. I just hope that whoever the new manager is includes Aubu in their plans for the coming season. He can still play top football for two years,  Xavi wants him back, but the decision will be made by the new manager. The only good and ideal successor if they decide to let him go would be Osimehn, but I doubt he would leave Napoli for a team without a UEFA competition next season.

Chelsea wants to hire Pochettino and you think it's a good idea?

I don't know what the owners are doing right now, but he seems to be the only viable option at the moment. He is not a serial winner, but he does know how to manage a young team and play good attacking football. At PSG, he struggled to handle the team's bigger players, but no coach has ever succeeded there. He is not my choice, but he is more capable and English league-tested than all the other options right now.
The issues with Chelsea  is not just a good coach to handle these boys, but the current manager is a poor decision maker, no matter who comes in, it will be hard for the coach to perform, when he Boehly is in charge of buying players he does not know to the club. Boehly should allow the coach to be in charge of the transfer market in the next summer, and see Chelsea bounce back to winning way
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April 26, 2023, 11:30:58 AM
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I assume any new contract with Barcelona will be lower in value comparing to the previous season. Even if they get Messi back, his salary will be way lower than his previous one with the club and lower than the one that he actually receives from PSG. If only money matters for him then PSG is the solution. For Chelsea's players, I think getting them for a low price might be interesting to diversify the team. Barcelona will be forced to reduce the wages of its players or find another way for sponsoring..
Barcelona had no money to pay messi with his previous salary. I think that so many sources have been reporting how much will be received by messi. Messi may have the same wages as lewandowski which is having the higest wages in the club right now.
barcelona even needs to sell a lot of players first before it will be able to recruit messi. I don't even care anymore about any rumor that linked barcelona tot he another player other than messi caused by the fact that if barcelona has no financial support to make another transaction other than messi. barcelona needs to get 88millions first before it will be able to sign a new contract for messi that will be leaving from PSG soon.

It's the time for barcelona to sell shares again until it will be reaching below 51%. That proves that ownership for barcelona was not for public. It's better for the management to consider selling more shares.
There have been many investors who are interesting to acquire barcelona. It will better if barcelona to be owned by billioniare rather than public.

There are certain conditions that must be met if indeed Barcelona wants to bring back Messi in this case.
First, the most urgent one is probably still the same as before by implementing a crazy salary cut in his contract because this is indeed a necessity that Messi accepts if he really wants to return to Barcelona considering Barcelona's current condition.
On the other hand, what is no less important is when they have to try to balance their financial condition before Messi arrives. This is the most difficult because Xavi is too eager to spend, but on the other hand he really doesn't want to lose players even though they have quite a large number of dependents for their financial balance.

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April 26, 2023, 11:41:00 AM
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With the current conditions, I am actually quite doubtful about the future of Gavi, who is indeed like being tossed around at this time, especially it can be said that his current contract is almost exhausted because their conditions in the previous contract extension were considered canceled and indeed Gavi's current contract is only until June.

As for the purchase of more players, this is clearly becoming a bit troublesome I think because of course with that in their current condition which needs fresh funds around 200 million to balance their books there must obviously be some players released. Even though there are already a few on the list such as Busquet and Alba who don't want to extend their contracts but obviously there must be a few more players sacrificed. But currently there are already some big names that they will bring in without thinking about the current financial condition.

They will probably try to make a new contract when the current contract is finished but as you said, it is a little difficult with the conditions they need big funds.
Not to mention that currently there is some news about Messi which is sure to more or less disrupt their financial condition if this really happens in the end.
The best thing is indeed to add a few players but on the other hand we also have to be aware of their current condition which still doesn't allow for that.
It is precisely with this desire from Messi's return that it becomes a little more complicated for Barcelona.
Gavi's current vakue will increase and of course this will be a condition where the salary will also increase.
When they now want Gavi back, as well as bringing Messi (back) and rumors about Kante who is intended to replace Busquets this is too much for Barcelona.
They still need a lot of fresh funds unless they continue to implement salary cuts which actually don't really make sense for big clubs to continue to do things like that every season.

There are some more rumors now about Gundogan who Barcelona want to sign from Manchester City but this is just a little rumor that is not very clear because there is another news saying again that the agent of Gundogan denied and said this rumor is not true.

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April 26, 2023, 11:48:22 AM
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It is precisely with this desire from Messi's return that it becomes a little more complicated for Barcelona.

Barcelona is still too difficult with the club's financial problems. buying several players at a high price will not be good for their finances. Barcelona's best way is to exchange players with several agreements. or selling some of their players to bring in the players Xavi wants. I don't know what if Messi comes back, not only in terms of salary, but Barca's game will be good or even Xavi will have a hard time putting Messi in his place.

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April 26, 2023, 12:42:22 PM
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If I am not mistaken the article you linked here is almost 1 month old. I think we know that first of all a lot can change within 1 month and second, if this was already a done deal in any way, it would have been leaked to the public already. I think nothing is safe for now and it is part of the game to drop some info here and there in order to also put pressure on competitors who want to join the negotiations and bids for a player.
I do know that. I just mention it caused by it's still related to what already discussed before. The fact that if there was no confirmation about messi changes his mind anymore even after that a month has passed. The recent news if messi becomes even closer again to the barcelona but he shall wait for the barcelona to restructure its financial condition by selling so many players.
The main point is messi agreed to cut his salary before he will be joining in barcelona.

I still have doubts whether Messi will go back to Barcelona because he would have to drastically cut down his salary. If it didn't work out to pay Messi two years ago, why would it work out now? What has changed in Barcelona since then? Did they cut costs that much? Does Messi think the team is currently strong enough to win the Champions League or would he want Barca to sign more players and are they even able to? I think there are still a lot of open questions that need to be answered first. But yes I agree that there is a chance we are going to see Messi in the Barcelona jersey again.
The problem is not in the messi but in barcelona itself. Messi already given green light if he will be agreed to go back to the barcelona again. La liga is still waiting for the barcelona to fix its financial condition before it will be accepting barcelona to recruit messi back again.
Some players need to be sold tot he another team as soon as possible. that's why barcelona has prepared short list for that.

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Barcelona is still too difficult with the club's financial problems. buying several players at a high price will not be good for their finances. Barcelona's best way is to exchange players with several agreements. or selling some of their players to bring in the players Xavi wants. I don't know what if Messi comes back, not only in terms of salary, but Barca's game will be good or even Xavi will have a hard time putting Messi in his place.

Barcelona should be able to forget about the desire to bring Messi back, they have been able to play well without Messi. Barcelona must pay attention to focus on getting new players who have good skills with those who are much younger. however, the Messi era is almost ended becaus of his age. If Barcelona insist on signing Messi and sacrifice financial problems, I think the Club will have more serious financial problems. After all, if Messi wants to support the club, he should be willing to be paid cheaply even though he is currently a star player.

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After Casemiro, Harry Kane's joining Manchester United as well can make them be one of the championship candidates next year. Many news I have also read are telling that the Red Devils will try to build a very assertive squad next year. Still it would be a little funny that Kane signs for Manchester United because of complaining about not being able to win a cup. Smiley
Manchester seem to be very interested in Harry Kane although no official bid has been established between the two parties as we know. In the next transfer window we shall know how much truth there is to this rumours. One thing I am some how sure about is that If Tottenham miss out if European football Harry Kane might give the idea of leaving Spurs a thought and who knows Manchester United qualification for champions league football might give them some luck in the deal.

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April 26, 2023, 01:55:09 PM
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Barcelona should be able to forget about the desire to bring Messi back, they have been able to play well without Messi. Barcelona must pay attention to focus on getting new players who have good skills with those who are much younger. however, the Messi era is almost ended becaus of his age. If Barcelona insist on signing Messi and sacrifice financial problems, I think the Club will have more serious financial problems. After all, if Messi wants to support the club, he should be willing to be paid cheaply even though he is currently a star player.
If you think about it, it's true, Barcelona will only be wasting money if they keep insisting on returning Messi, because if you look at it from the other side, Messi has reached an old age which will affect his performance in playing, and apart from that from a financial perspective, Barcelona will also be disrupted. I think it's better to look for another high-quality player who is at least on par with Messi and definitely younger because Barcelona needs players for the long term. Barcelona must think about this before it's too late, and recently I've heard rumors that Barcelona is ready to pay Messi a high nominal if Messi can come back. I can't imagine if this is actually going to happen.

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April 26, 2023, 01:56:58 PM
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Yes, I think Messi will return to Barcelona because for a player like Messi with the personality he got, that's important to play in a team where he can get the respect he can't get in PSG, sometimes there are many other things more important than the salary he can get, also I think he can get retired like a legend for this team instead of playing in Asian or American teams.
It may be true but Barcelona already has many good players, Barcelona shouldn't rely on Messi again. Barcelona is better to focus on young players. Young players will have a longer future, so it can guarantee for club future. While Messi is already 35 years old, he won't have a long time to play as a professional player. Also, Barcelona still has a financial problem, they may not be in an ideal condition to pay Messi's salary. Another consideration is no guarantee that Messi will play as expected when he returns to Barcelona. He may fail as C. Ronaldo for his return to Man United, I hope Messi better won't do the same thing.


This rumour was appears because recently Messi has been bring his family went Barcelona so that's why many people has speculate Messi will return to this team and other rumour too mentioned Barcelona really serious want to bought Messi even this summer Barcelona are willing to sell some of their players Raphinha, Franck Kessie, and Andreas Christensen

Besides that i have to agree with you that Messi is Barcelona past so they shouldn't rely on Messi anymore and Xavi has build this team with very solid without Messi and if this rumour is true i think there is no guarantee it will have positive impact for Barcelona conditions and with his current age i think Messi should be thinking to playing outside europe such as MLS or arabian league

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April 26, 2023, 02:13:46 PM
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If you think about it, it's true, Barcelona will only be wasting money if they keep insisting on returning Messi, because if you look at it from the other side, Messi has reached an old age which will affect his performance in playing, and apart from that from a financial perspective, Barcelona will also be disrupted. I think it's better to look for another high-quality player who is at least on par with Messi and definitely younger because Barcelona needs players for the long term. Barcelona must think about this before it's too late, and recently I've heard rumors that Barcelona is ready to pay Messi a high nominal if Messi can come back. I can't imagine if this is actually going to happen.

Let's see, but I don't think this is a good move. Messi has aged, he is useless for the long term. Barcelona should be more realistic with long-term options. In addition, they have spent a lot of money for this season. High salaries will probably put more pressure on Barcelona's finances. In addition, I once read they have a fifteen-year-old child who looks like Messi. Lamine Yamal has a record that exceeds Messi. He successfully trained with the Barcelona senior team at the age of fifteen.

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April 26, 2023, 02:15:19 PM
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Barcelona should be able to forget about the desire to bring Messi back, they have been able to play well without Messi. Barcelona must pay attention to focus on getting new players who have good skills with those who are much younger. however, the Messi era is almost ended becaus of his age. If Barcelona insist on signing Messi and sacrifice financial problems, I think the Club will have more serious financial problems. After all, if Messi wants to support the club, he should be willing to be paid cheaply even though he is currently a star player.
Signing messi will be sacrificing so many things owned by barcelona. Some players will be leaving the clubs, the money raised from selling the players will be used to pay the old player like messi which is only having a few years more to play in the professional football competition.
It's not a win win situation for barcelona and messi. Messi needs so many things to be sacrified by barcelona. I think that it's not even worthy for barcelona. I can't even deny if messi is still giving a big impact to the club.

Barcelona is trying so hard to sign him back again but messi has not become the priority from barcelona. Gundogan from manchester city already targeted by barcelona. He has become the main priority for barcelona in summer.
It seems like that the future of messi is still uncertain at this moment. Messi needs to work even harder to get a new club for him.

His salary is very big.

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April 26, 2023, 02:42:36 PM
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After Casemiro, Harry Kane's joining Manchester United as well can make them be one of the championship candidates next year. Many news I have also read are telling that the Red Devils will try to build a very assertive squad next year. Still it would be a little funny that Kane signs for Manchester United because of complaining about not being able to win a cup. Smiley
Manchester seem to be very interested in Harry Kane although no official bid has been established between the two parties as we know. In the next transfer window we shall know how much truth there is to this rumours. One thing I am some how sure about is that If Tottenham miss out if European football Harry Kane might give the idea of leaving Spurs a thought and who knows Manchester United qualification for champions league football might give them some luck in the deal.
Manchester United is a premier league powerhouse that is capable of signing any player listed on their transfer radar. Kane is also rumored to be moving to Bayern Munich, who are in desperate need of a striker, so keep an eye on him during games. World-class striker Harry Kane has acquired all of his experience for the team and has more he can accomplish with Manchester United. The red devil's has expressed interest in the Englishman, but thorough scouting will lead to more competitive offers during the transfer window. For the time being, this is just a rumor.

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April 26, 2023, 04:39:55 PM
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If you think about it, it's true, Barcelona will only be wasting money if they keep insisting on returning Messi, because if you look at it from the other side, Messi has reached an old age which will affect his performance in playing, and apart from that from a financial perspective, Barcelona will also be disrupted. I think it's better to look for another high-quality player who is at least on par with Messi and definitely younger because Barcelona needs players for the long term. Barcelona must think about this before it's too late, and recently I've heard rumors that Barcelona is ready to pay Messi a high nominal if Messi can come back. I can't imagine if this is actually going to happen.

Let's see, but I don't think this is a good move. Messi has aged, he is useless for the long term. Barcelona should be more realistic with long-term options. In addition, they have spent a lot of money for this season. High salaries will probably put more pressure on Barcelona's finances. In addition, I once read they have a fifteen-year-old child who looks like Messi. Lamine Yamal has a record that exceeds Messi. He successfully trained with the Barcelona senior team at the age of fifteen.
The possibility that Barcelona wants to bring Messi back aims only at the money that Messi's big name will generate and we cannot change that fact because Messi is a Barcelona legend and also one of the GOATs of football. But if Messi rejects Barcelona's offer, that's very good because he can actually try new challenges in other top European leagues to add to his individual record.

On the other hand, if for the long term it is clear that it will not be able to fully influence the team and Barcelona should prioritize more young players for the next generation. I heard the name Lamine Yamal and it's true he is currently in the process of being promoted to the barcelona senior team at a very young age of 15 years. I think Barcelona must be able to provide space for their academy players to be able to give birth to the next football stars in the future.
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April 26, 2023, 04:45:18 PM
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Barcelona is trying so hard to sign him back again but messi has not become the priority from barcelona. Gundogan from manchester city already targeted by barcelona. He has become the main priority for barcelona in summer.
It seems like that the future of messi is still uncertain at this moment. Messi needs to work even harder to get a new club for him.

His salary is very big.
Barcelona has many targeted not only for singing Lionel Messi as priority but also has rumored for recruiting Gundogan from Manchester City for replacing Sergio Busquets on midfielder position. I don't think with huge expected from Barcelona exactly for signing Lionel Messi because they have spent much money for Lionel Messi salary. How possibility for Barcelona signing Lionel Messi without faced financial problem with La Liga regulation. Seems have good news about Lionel Messi and his family arrived in Barcelona last week and many speculative rumor he will be new Barcelona player for next season.

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April 26, 2023, 04:47:16 PM
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There are certain conditions that must be met if indeed Barcelona wants to bring back Messi in this case.
First, the most urgent one is probably still the same as before by implementing a crazy salary cut in his contract because this is indeed a necessity that Messi accepts if he really wants to return to Barcelona considering Barcelona's current condition.
On the other hand, what is no less important is when they have to try to balance their financial condition before Messi arrives. This is the most difficult because Xavi is too eager to spend, but on the other hand he really doesn't want to lose players even though they have quite a large number of dependents for their financial balance.
There are many conditions that must be met by barcelona. It needs a very long time to explain what conditions that must be met by barcelona but the article that i have mentioned below has been explaining all of things that must be met by barcelona.
Messi already agreed if he will be receiving 4 times less in barcelona compared when he was playing at PSG. It's actually a big loss for messi caused by he will be receiving small amounts of money.

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Messi will be offered a two-year deal at 12m euros net a season. That ought to be deemed within the range of the ‘going-rate’ for a player of his age and pedigree based on it being around 2m more than Barcelona pay Robert Lewandowski.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-11999507/Messi-decided-wants-RETURN-Barcelona-club-meet-LaLigas-requirements.html

Barcelona needs to sell some players to raised a few hundred millions USD.

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April 26, 2023, 05:39:21 PM
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After Casemiro, Harry Kane's joining Manchester United as well can make them be one of the championship candidates next year. Many news I have also read are telling that the Red Devils will try to build a very assertive squad next year. Still it would be a little funny that Kane signs for Manchester United because of complaining about not being able to win a cup. Smiley
Manchester seem to be very interested in Harry Kane although no official bid has been established between the two parties as we know. In the next transfer window we shall know how much truth there is to this rumours. One thing I am some how sure about is that If Tottenham miss out if European football Harry Kane might give the idea of leaving Spurs a thought and who knows Manchester United qualification for champions league football might give them some luck in the deal.
Honestly I’d love him to move, maybe not Manchester United because I’m sure Daniel Levy won’t sell Harry Kane to a premier league side. but a side that can challenge for titles. The sooner Kane mans up and request to leave, the better. He's wasted the last few seasons of his career. And doesn't have many more top years left most likely. Looking at Manchester United, they lack a proper center forward, if they can beat Levy‘s transfer price on Harry Kane, then it’d be a good buy and it’ll look like the Van persie move from Arsenal that won them a trophy.

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April 26, 2023, 06:49:34 PM
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Manchester United is a premier league powerhouse that is capable of signing any player listed on their transfer radar. Kane is also rumored to be moving to Bayern Munich, who are in desperate need of a striker, so keep an eye on him during games. World-class striker Harry Kane has acquired all of his experience for the team and has more he can accomplish with Manchester United. The red devil's has expressed interest in the Englishman, but thorough scouting will lead to more competitive offers during the transfer window. For the time being, this is just a rumor.
Harry Kane seems to be the target for many clubs this coming summer, certainly if Harry Kane leaves it will be a big blow to Spurs losing their best player in the team. With Manchester United also interested in Harry Kane whoever gets him in the end will be so lucky but I doubt Harry Kane will be willing to leave the EPL anytime soon.

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April 26, 2023, 07:20:50 PM
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Barcelona is trying so hard to sign him back again but messi has not become the priority from barcelona. Gundogan from manchester city already targeted by barcelona. He has become the main priority for barcelona in summer.
It seems like that the future of messi is still uncertain at this moment. Messi needs to work even harder to get a new club for him.
His salary is very big.
Barcelona has many targeted not only for singing Lionel Messi as priority but also has rumored for recruiting Gundogan from Manchester City for replacing Sergio Busquets on midfielder position. I don't think with huge expected from Barcelona exactly for signing Lionel Messi because they have spent much money for Lionel Messi salary. How possibility for Barcelona signing Lionel Messi without faced financial problem with La Liga regulation. Seems have good news about Lionel Messi and his family arrived in Barcelona last week and many speculative rumor he will be new Barcelona player for next season.

I actually like the move that moves that they are trying to make with Gundogan vs Sergio Busquets more than them trying to bring in Lionel Messi. Because I believe they need a better central defensive midfielder more than an attacker like Messi right now. We all also have to remember that the financial troubles of Barcelona are not absolutely over by now.

So, Barcelona will also have to remember that they are always under some pressure because of the money they are going to spend. I find it really hard to believe that Lionel Messi is actually going to get back to Barcelona. But that might happen because the coach is Xavi

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April 26, 2023, 07:22:02 PM
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It's high time that Chelsea must avoid engaging further in trial and error at this time. Premier League is a highly competitive arena, and having a veteran like Pochettino on club would be of great advantage. It's important that Boehly doesn't intervene at every stage of the process, particularly when it comes to player signings. Ideally, a coach should be able to choose players who fit their style of play. Let's hope that Chelsea owner Boehly will refrain from interfering too much with the club's affairs once a new manager takes the jobs.

Chelsea wants to hire Pochettino and you think it's a good idea?
Pochettino is still like a trial-and-error signing. He has a very poor record in all the clubs he has managed. He coached Tottenham and all he could achieve was the top 4. His biggest achievement at Tottenham was getting to the champions league final.
Okay, let's assume it's because Spurs don't have enough good players, he was at PSG and he was very awful there. His PSG team played really bad football. His style made the players all look average, Messi included.
Chelsea should better look for a good manager. They should forget about this premier league experience that they are looking for.

Todd Boehly and Chelsea are busy test running failed managers, complete bullshit, they'll lament and suffer for another season. The Premier League experience he had is bullshit, and how many trophies did he get to win?
He's no top manager, Chelsea should rather stick with Graham Potter than Pochetino.. The job was too big for GP ( Graham Potter ) but then Pochetino is of no good use. Chelsea would be like Manchester United after the retirement of Sir Alex Ferguson if they fail to land the right manager for the job.

We're all giving our thoughts on this though, I keep on pondering who the hell is Todd Boehlys personal adviser, he's got no brains really.

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