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March 20, 2024, 05:31:33 PM
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Every season Dortmund continues to lose star players, Sancho, Lewandowski, Haalaand and even now Donyell Malen seems to be soon following his senior to get out of Signal Iduna Park, as a top team of course so far Dortmund has stable finances but somehow they also cannot refuse if there are other teams who want to sign their star players at high prices,  Dortmund are not a team that runs out of star players in their squad and it doesn't even take long for them to re-orbit another star player next season when this season they lose a mainstay player.

Dortmund have been signing young players to their squad and develop those players to a professional standard and sells those players to big teams in other to make more money for the club. No doubt that Dortmund is financially stable but it seems their pattern is just training up players to a quality state and dispose them to other clubs and they have been doing this practice for a very long time now and most of the players that leaves Dortmund to other teams obviously do more better there so it's not new.
Sometimes, dortmund can't fully cover the expenses. This is the only way dortmund can still exist this season despite the fact that if clubs are performing so stagnant, this is how the football business must be running. Unlike some clubs like Barcelona, which suffered huge losses after the club was unwilling to sell their players until they were leaving as free agents.
Dortmund is known as a very good team when it comes to the football business. Even though this club does not get big incomes like Bayern, it can still consistently become the main competitor for Bayern Munich. People are totally aware that Bayern Munich owns a 1 billion valuation for its club while Dortmund owns only half of it.
So, the reputation owned by dortmund to scouting the talented players shoauld not be doubted anymore. Dorrtmund has been making so many big stars started from haaland, bellingham or even lewnadowski. This club is a factory that can produce the quality players.
That's pretty sad to see some players were not lucky enough to get a good team to develop their performances. This is the problem faced by dortmund. The players need a good club to develop their performances, and I rarely find that in the club like Manchester United.
It's also becoming the main reason why Sancho failed on MU, but he returned to his best performance after going to Dortmund again on loan.

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March 20, 2024, 05:43:29 PM
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Sir Jim Ratcliffe says he would rather unearth the next Kylian Mbappe for Manchester United than spend a fortune on the France forward.
Ratcliffe, whose INEOS company has taken control of football operations at Old Trafford, wants to move away from the approach of trying to buy success, as has been the case under the Glazers.
source- https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13097979/man-utds-new-part-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-sheds-light-on-transfer-strategy-with-kylian-mbappe-comments

I understand what he is saying. But it is definitely a great optimism to actually think that Mbappe was going to join his team  Grin

At this point any player, young player who is showing any kind of potential should stay as far away as possible from Manchester United. Because if they actually join Manchester United it is most possibly going to be the start of the end. Any player who has recently joined Manchester United with a lot of hope has not been able to deliver at all. Better think about changing the coach instead of trying to bring in more new players. I am actually convinced that Ten Hag has an account in Swiss bank where he keeps a percentage of the money that he spends for bringing in new players  Cheesy

Absolutely 100% true!
United were a graveyard of talent and when undertaker Ten Hag arrived it only got worse. Only Casemiro or a similar player who has already won everything he could (5 Champions Leagues like Casemiro) and is now looking only for a fat contract can go to United in a clear mind.
Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

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March 20, 2024, 06:11:27 PM
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Absolutely 100% true!
United were a graveyard of talent and when undertaker Ten Hag arrived it only got worse. Only Casemiro or a similar player who has already won everything he could (5 Champions Leagues like Casemiro) and is now looking only for a fat contract can go to United in a clear mind.
Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era. It's difficult to find the right replacement of Sir Alex Ferguson. Arsenal is lucky after Arsen Wenger, currently there is Arteta who seems to be able to make Arsenal grow even though he experienced a difficult phase which made Arteta receive a lot of criticism from fans.

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March 20, 2024, 06:24:10 PM
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Sir Jim Ratcliffe says he would rather unearth the next Kylian Mbappe for Manchester United than spend a fortune on the France forward.
Ratcliffe, whose INEOS company has taken control of football operations at Old Trafford, wants to move away from the approach of trying to buy success, as has been the case under the Glazers.
source- https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11667/13097979/man-utds-new-part-owner-sir-jim-ratcliffe-sheds-light-on-transfer-strategy-with-kylian-mbappe-comments

I understand what he is saying. But it is definitely a great optimism to actually think that Mbappe was going to join his team  Grin

At this point any player, young player who is showing any kind of potential should stay as far away as possible from Manchester United. Because if they actually join Manchester United it is most possibly going to be the start of the end. Any player who has recently joined Manchester United with a lot of hope has not been able to deliver at all. Better think about changing the coach instead of trying to bring in more new players. I am actually convinced that Ten Hag has an account in Swiss bank where he keeps a percentage of the money that he spends for bringing in new players  Cheesy


My own is that Manchester United should be careful with the approach they will decide to adopt when it comes to bringing in new players. They should learn from Chelsea and adjust their patterns. Let them not make big mistakes that will future ruin the club. I know that the new management would want to hit the ground running, but they should be careful with their approach. I know the club are in desperate need to return to their glory days, but if not carefully handled, they might find themselves in a situation worst than Chelsea own.

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March 20, 2024, 06:30:06 PM
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Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

This is an extreme exagerration. Joining Manchester United is still far better tha joining 95% of the rest of the club around the world and thats a fact. Although Manchester United is currently not in any way potentially to win any of the top trophy, its still a pretty good club. The only reason why it seems like we are pretty bad right now is because Manchester City with Pep is over dominating the league and not to mention that currently Liverpool is pretty good as well

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March 20, 2024, 06:47:57 PM
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Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

This is an extreme exagerration. Joining Manchester United is still far better tha joining 95% of the rest of the club around the world and thats a fact. Although Manchester United is currently not in any way potentially to win any of the top trophy, its still a pretty good club. The only reason why it seems like we are pretty bad right now is because Manchester City with Pep is over dominating the league and not to mention that currently Liverpool is pretty good as well

Pep Guardiola, Arteta and Klopp are more experienced and dominated altogether top places these years. Not only their contributions driven their teams to that but also the contribution of the owners that offered top players and reinforced considerably the squad.
Manchester United are suffering from the inconsistency of the results although having good players and coach since the tactics used and the mistakes of the players are too much to maintain positive results. If there is something particular for Manchester United and Chelsea, is the money spent to purchase players and these signing turns to be overpriced and useless in many cases.

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March 20, 2024, 06:52:05 PM
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I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era. It's difficult to find the right replacement of Sir Alex Ferguson. Arsenal is lucky after Arsen Wenger, currently there is Arteta who seems to be able to make Arsenal grow even though he experienced a difficult phase which made Arteta receive a lot of criticism from fans.
Manchester United glory have been over since leaving by Sir Alex Ferguson and several manager failed for winning domestic league until champion league trophies. Have been 12 years ago since first time David Moyes until right now Erik ten Hag become the manager still not any one of them success make Manchester United finish on the top standings position or becoming the competitor for Manchester City for winning Premier League trophy.
Difference with Arsenal, they had success with Mikel Arteta become the manager for replacing Arsene Wenger position, indeed still not winning any trophy yet but Arsenal keep solid performance and always finish on the top fourth standings exactly last season almost close become the winner of premier league.

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March 20, 2024, 07:05:12 PM
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Alphonso Davies will most likely choose Real Madrid. Bayern is putting pressure on the Canadian to renew his contract, but the full-back seems determined to change the scene and hopes for an agreement between the clubs for next summer.

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March 20, 2024, 07:19:42 PM
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Believe or not, Carlo Ancelotti is very smart tactician and he cans play well some players not on their real position, Rodrygo had impressive well last several season with Real Madrid and Carlo Ancelotti most of them put him as false nine for central forward although his real position as left or right winger side. I don't think not problem for Carlo Ancelotti if can reach agreement deal with Kylian Mbappe and he will put him as central forward and Vinicius Jr keep at his real position as left winger.
Luka Modric future have been released and Madrid not extend his contract so far, he will be free agent on the next season and his future can't speculated yet because that player not announce yet which one team become his challenge after leaving Real Madrid. Currently, Luka Modric performance not really bad and give him one year contract and he will back up as midfielder position.

Believe it or not, Benzema was the one who developed these two Brazilian wingers to perform very well with Real Madrid. the attack patterns they use are difficult for opponents to stop. the combination of player to player, forming a triangle pattern and that was one of Madrid's advantages when Benzema was still involved. At this time, Don Carlo changed his patterns and systems. because he does not have an ideal replacement in Benzema's position. and if in the end Mbappe joins Real Madrid, it could be that the pattern currently implemented will return to the old system of 4-3-3. yeah, Mbappe has no problem being placed as a central striker, because Don Carlo's strategy and pattern are a little easier to study. Let's just say Mbappe has joined Madrid, Vini Jr's position remains on the wing and so does Rodrygo. These three players will combine with fast playing patterns, especially when counter-attacking and Bellingam's position will return to being an attacking midfielder. well, this is just an assumption based on my personal assessment. which means, Mbappe's presence will not change the system implemented by Ancelotti. So, we wait for next summer regarding Mbappe. Talking about Luka Modric, I think he will end his tenure with Real Madrid. either hanging up his shoes, or maybe he's going to another league. BTW, I don't really know any new information regarding this player from Croatia. however, at the age of 38, it will be difficult for Modric to be involved with an elite team again. at best, Modric's final stopover to the Saudi Pro League.

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March 20, 2024, 07:40:16 PM
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Absolutely 100% true!
United were a graveyard of talent and when undertaker Ten Hag arrived it only got worse. Only Casemiro or a similar player who has already won everything he could (5 Champions Leagues like Casemiro) and is now looking only for a fat contract can go to United in a clear mind.
Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

But did Manchester United do well last season? You're absolutely wrong about Erik Ten Hag. So far as I could tell, he is a much better coach tactically than Ole Gunner Solskjaer, David Moyes, but Maybe not Jose Mourinho and Louis Van Gaal. But Manchester United has sacked too many coaches already from the past, isn't it time for them to give a good coach a chance with better experience players?

Nothing swampy about Manchester United. The team and squad started with lots of Injury and it affected the plans of Erik Ten Hag. But then even if Erik Ten Hag is to be sacked, is Gareth Southgate a good option for replacement? These new owners must be raving mad one way or the other.

I blame the glazers otherwise, we won't be seeing talks like this. How can Gareth Southgate manage Manchester United?? Lol

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I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era. It's difficult to find the right replacement of Sir Alex Ferguson. Arsenal is lucky after Arsen Wenger, currently there is Arteta who seems to be able to make Arsenal grow even though he experienced a difficult phase which made Arteta receive a lot of criticism from fans.
Manchester United glory have been over since leaving by Sir Alex Ferguson and several manager failed for winning domestic league until champion league trophies. Have been 12 years ago since first time David Moyes until right now Erik ten Hag become the manager still not any one of them success make Manchester United finish on the top standings position or becoming the competitor for Manchester City for winning Premier League trophy.
Difference with Arsenal, they had success with Mikel Arteta become the manager for replacing Arsene Wenger position, indeed still not winning any trophy yet but Arsenal keep solid performance and always finish on the top fourth standings exactly last season almost close become the winner of premier league.

The last time Man United won the Premier League Trophy was in the 2012-2013 season, so it has been 11 years since they could not get the trophy again. I think Man United no longer has that winning mentality and that's the reason why Man United is so bad at the moment. It's not just because they haven't found the right coach yet, but they also have lost the winning spirit they once had. With their current condition, it is clearly not easy to return to glory. Maybe apart from coaches, Man United also needs to improve their academy development again and give more opportunities for their academy's players to contribute in real matches.

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I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era. It's difficult to find the right replacement of Sir Alex Ferguson. Arsenal is lucky after Arsen Wenger, currently there is Arteta who seems to be able to make Arsenal grow even though he experienced a difficult phase which made Arteta receive a lot of criticism from fans.
Manchester United glory have been over since leaving by Sir Alex Ferguson and several manager failed for winning domestic league until champion league trophies. Have been 12 years ago since first time David Moyes until right now Erik ten Hag become the manager still not any one of them success make Manchester United finish on the top standings position or becoming the competitor for Manchester City for winning Premier League trophy.
Difference with Arsenal, they had success with Mikel Arteta become the manager for replacing Arsene Wenger position, indeed still not winning any trophy yet but Arsenal keep solid performance and always finish on the top fourth standings exactly last season almost close become the winner of premier league.

The last time Man United won the Premier League Trophy was in the 2012-2013 season, so it has been 11 years since they could not get the trophy again. I think Man United no longer has that winning mentality and that's the reason why Man United is so bad at the moment. It's not just because they haven't found the right coach yet, but they also have lost the winning spirit they once had. With their current condition, it is clearly not easy to return to glory. Maybe apart from coaches, Man United also needs to improve their academy development again and give more opportunities for their academy's players to contribute in real matches.

I think the more important reason is that there are at least two teams which took an unprecedented development in the Premier League, namely Liverpool and Manchester City. When a team achieves 97 points and yet doesn't win the title, you know that there is another beast in the competition. I doubt that Manchester United would anytime soon get close to Manchester City specifically. I don't know what Liverpool will be looking like without Klopp, but Manchester City is set and determined to stay where they are.
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Pep Guardiola, Arteta and Klopp are more experienced and dominated altogether top places these years. Not only their contributions driven their teams to that but also the contribution of the owners that offered top players and reinforced considerably the squad.
Manchester United are suffering from the inconsistency of the results although having good players and coach since the tactics used and the mistakes of the players are too much to maintain positive results. If there is something particular for Manchester United and Chelsea, is the money spent to purchase players and these signing turns to be overpriced and useless in many cases.  
In the past few seasons, these three coaches have dominated the English league in particular, but for the highest competition in the Champions League, Pep Guardiola has outperformed his two rivals in terms of ability to manage a team. The three coaches have the ability to see the potential of players so that even if the players they buy are not well-known stars who have good qualities, they can always make the players more needed in the squad.

Man United, Chelsea and Tottenham are struggling to build a stronger squad but they haven't found a good rhythm, so they look very inconsistent. Chelsea are worse off, even though they spend a lot to buy players, but their ability to be in the Champions League and Europe is still quite difficult to achieve.

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March 20, 2024, 08:38:31 PM
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Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).

This is an extreme exagerration. Joining Manchester United is still far better tha joining 95% of the rest of the club around the world and thats a fact. Although Manchester United is currently not in any way potentially to win any of the top trophy, its still a pretty good club. The only reason why it seems like we are pretty bad right now is because Manchester City with Pep is over dominating the league and not to mention that currently Liverpool is pretty good as well

95%? Well no, there are dozens of clubs that are better than Manchester United, more promising. I doubt every player who wants to develop will choose MU as their future club, that wouldn't even qualify for euro cups. The other thing is if they change coaches and prove they haven't stopped being a top team

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March 20, 2024, 08:43:53 PM
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Absolutely 100% true!
United were a graveyard of talent and when undertaker Ten Hag arrived it only got worse. Only Casemiro or a similar player who has already won everything he could (5 Champions Leagues like Casemiro) and is now looking only for a fat contract can go to United in a clear mind.
Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).
This is a fact that Manchester United do not like and it is true that for the last few years after SAF retired, Manchester United has been like a graveyard for potential players even though previously in the SAF Era they were one of the clubs that channeled talented players to other clubs Cheesy

But on the other hand, hopefully there will be a new situation in the next few seasons because seeing from his current condition there are several young talents who have a good vision of the game like Mainoo or maybe Garnacho.
They are young talents that should be used as good progress because with the speed and skill that Garnacho has or Mainoo's dexterity in ball control is actually good for players of his age so that this can be a new reference and do not let this talent be buried again at Manchester United.

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I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era. It's difficult to find the right replacement of Sir Alex Ferguson. Arsenal is lucky after Arsen Wenger, currently there is Arteta who seems to be able to make Arsenal grow even though he experienced a difficult phase which made Arteta receive a lot of criticism from fans.
Manchester United glory have been over since leaving by Sir Alex Ferguson and several manager failed for winning domestic league until champion league trophies. Have been 12 years ago since first time David Moyes until right now Erik ten Hag become the manager still not any one of them success make Manchester United finish on the top standings position or becoming the competitor for Manchester City for winning Premier League trophy.
Difference with Arsenal, they had success with Mikel Arteta become the manager for replacing Arsene Wenger position, indeed still not winning any trophy yet but Arsenal keep solid performance and always finish on the top fourth standings exactly last season almost close become the winner of premier league.

The last time Man United won the Premier League Trophy was in the 2012-2013 season, so it has been 11 years since they could not get the trophy again. I think Man United no longer has that winning mentality and that's the reason why Man United is so bad at the moment. It's not just because they haven't found the right coach yet, but they also have lost the winning spirit they once had. With their current condition, it is clearly not easy to return to glory. Maybe apart from coaches, Man United also needs to improve their academy development again and give more opportunities for their academy's players to contribute in real matches.
Sometimes Manchester United actually fails to recruit players in the transfer market and they just waste money on the players they recruit. None of his dream players has contributed fully during the season and it seems like the talent scout team is not very good at determining targets according to the club's needs. Manchester United must give opportunities to other academy players and we can take the example of the success of Kobbie Maino, who is now a starter and has even been called up by Gareth Southgate to be part of the England squad at Euro 2024.
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March 20, 2024, 09:05:10 PM
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The last time Man United won the Premier League Trophy was in the 2012-2013 season, so it has been 11 years since they could not get the trophy again. I think Man United no longer has that winning mentality and that's the reason why Man United is so bad at the moment. It's not just because they haven't found the right coach yet, but they also have lost the winning spirit they once had. With their current condition, it is clearly not easy to return to glory. Maybe apart from coaches, Man United also needs to improve their academy development again and give more opportunities for their academy's players to contribute in real matches.
Indeed, it is already very long time ago they won EPL trophy. They won EPL trophies when Man United was still under Alex Ferguson's management. Since 1993 until 2013, Man United already won 13 EPL titles with Sir Alex Ferguson. Man United becomes the strongest team in EPL when Sir Alex Ferguson was managing the club. Unfortunately, when Sir Alex Ferguson retired, Man United management never find out the right successor of Ferguson. Man United already changed many coaches (managers), but they still couldn't get a good result.

Sure, after Sir Alex Ferguson left Man United, Man United team never has the winning mentality anymore. It is because the new coaches always failed to understand the expectation of the players and the club management. There are always bad relationship between the coaches and players. The coaches also even have bad relationship with the club management because they always couldn't get the target. Well, it seem Man United will have the winning mentality again when they find out the right coach.



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March 20, 2024, 09:10:16 PM
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Sometimes Manchester United actually fails to recruit players in the transfer market and they just waste money on the players they recruit. None of his dream players has contributed fully during the season and it seems like the talent scout team is not very good at determining targets according to the club's needs. Manchester United must give opportunities to other academy players and we can take the example of the success of Kobbie Maino, who is now a starter and has even been called up by Gareth Southgate to be part of the England squad at Euro 2024.

There's nothing wrong with recruiting young people from their academy. Academy players tend to have greater loyalty and fighting spirit towards their club. Moreover, they are still young, there is a lot of potential that must be honed and developed in professional matches.
however, we will see the possibility of successful transfers for the team and some that will fail. That's because players' adjustments to different teams, coaches, and also different teammates can affect performance.



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March 20, 2024, 09:11:48 PM
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Absolutely 100% true!
United were a graveyard of talent and when undertaker Ten Hag arrived it only got worse. Only Casemiro or a similar player who has already won everything he could (5 Champions Leagues like Casemiro) and is now looking only for a fat contract can go to United in a clear mind.
Everyone has already seen that United is a swamp, so it will be extremely difficult to lure any promising player there (not to mention top players).
Graveyard indeed, and surprisingly everyone was hyped and excited with the coming of ETH , but as he went on with acquiring players that càn help him win games...it was almost clear that he couldn't fit into the shoes he was given !! The scouting of players was all from one camp as if he promised these boys jobs with fat cheques , managing of big players became a problem for him.. honestly I think he still has the small team mentality and the United job is to big for him, period!!!


I don't know what happened to MU, they haven't been able to get out of the inconsistent zone. The team development carried out by several managers after Sir Alex Ferguson, could not bring glory to that era.
It's either these managers don't know how to inspire player's, or United after Ferguson have tried to buy success which is the wrong approach....we need to build players that will play from the badge (team) unlike those waiting for their salaries regardless of performance and I think new owners have spotted the problem here...

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Sometimes Manchester United actually fails to recruit players in the transfer market and they just waste money on the players they recruit. None of his dream players has contributed fully during the season and it seems like the talent scout team is not very good at determining targets according to the club's needs. Manchester United must give opportunities to other academy players and we can take the example of the success of Kobbie Maino, who is now a starter and has even been called up by Gareth Southgate to be part of the England squad at Euro 2024.
The adaptation of Man United new recruits has failed, including their loan players, that is a strong reason why this season Man United is having difficulty in various competitions, their hope now is only in the FA Cup. Another reason is the prolonged injury factor such as that experienced by Mason Mount. It is clear that Ten Hag always lacks rotation options due to the injuries that plague his squad. It could also be that the players have difficulty adapting to the strategy implemented by Ten Hag, so they have difficulty displaying their best game. Hojlund was also considered late on fire, Amrabat failed to adapt, everything nothing has increased.

It is true that management must be more selective in recruiting players, it is better to promote young players from the academy, this can save the transfer budget. But I believe that in the next transfer window Man United will make a lot of moves, management will streamline the main squad. But everything could be different, if Ten Hag was kicked out of Old Trafford. The new owners of Man United certainly hope that the club can qualify for the Champions League next season, and if they fail, it could be difficult for them to add new players.

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