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June 29, 2017, 02:02:21 AM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

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June 29, 2017, 09:19:55 AM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

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Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).
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June 29, 2017, 10:34:22 AM
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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin


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June 29, 2017, 10:54:27 AM
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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin
Never a white man cannot become black even if the whole life he will live in Africa. The amount of melanin in the skin of a white person will always be less than that of blacks. What you are describing in your example is not evolution, but an attempt of the organism to protect from adverse conditions.
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June 29, 2017, 11:28:48 AM
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Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE



There are still monkeys around because it is a proof that evolution theory is not true.  It is better to believe that there is God who created me and He has great purpose why He made me rather than believing that I am from family of monkeys. And if ever evolution really exist, why we still man and woman, I mean, thousand of years already past but still we don't hear any news that human evolve into another form of life.
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June 29, 2017, 12:04:41 PM
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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin

That is not evolution, Darwin just threw up in his own mouth after reading that.

It is hilarious how the most ardent evolution fundamentalists dont even understand the concept at all.

So let me ask you.

How do you explain existence of African-Americans living in relatively cold weather? And how do you explain existence of white Australians living on equator? For hundreds of years. Shouldnt they start changing skin color the moment they arrive in the new environment?

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June 29, 2017, 02:28:09 PM
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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin

That is not evolution, Darwin just threw up in his own mouth after reading that.

It is hilarious how the most ardent evolution fundamentalists dont even understand the concept at all.

So let me ask you.

How do you explain existence of African-Americans living in relatively cold weather? And how do you explain existence of white Australians living on equator? For hundreds of years. Shouldnt they start changing skin color the moment they arrive in the new environment?



Why do you call that random guy on the internet evolution fundamentalist? It's obvious he doesn't know what he is talking about.
Why there are still monkeys around if they were part of our evolutionary beginnings ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cz0gFarCfBE


There are still monkeys around because it is a proof that evolution theory is not true.  It is better to believe that there is God who created me and He has great purpose why He made me rather than believing that I am from family of monkeys. And if ever evolution really exist, why we still man and woman, I mean, thousand of years already past but still we don't hear any news that human evolve into another form of life.

Ugh, Evolutionists and scientists punch themselves in the face when they read things like you said. Evolution is the change in populations, not in individuals.
Evolution is not a process in which species universally progress up a "ladder".
Humans are not descended from any modern species of monkey; both monkeys and humans are descended from some long-extinct ancestor pre-dating both. Although this species, if it were transferred to today, would be considered a "monkey", it is not any living species of monkey.
Evolution explains how humans developed from a primate ancestor, but not an extant species of monkey or ape. Modern primates include: bonobos, chimpanzees, gorillas, baboons, macaques, lemurs, gibbons, and humans. None of these is a descendant of any other.
Speciation can occur by branching into two or more reproductively isolated populations (cladogenesis) or when a single population changes over time to such an extent that the later population is considered a different species (anagenesis).
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June 29, 2017, 02:40:09 PM
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People write about the evolution of the brand do not understand the subject. It's awful. Evolution is not a hoax, but I still don't believe in Darwin's theory and I am sure that people could not have come from apes.


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June 29, 2017, 05:28:07 PM
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It is very difficult to hear from many people the information that they reject evolution and yet only from what they think Why a person has not grown wings or horns. The fact is that there is in my opinion the final stage of development of some model of nature or a certain individual. Perhaps this applies to people and all life that is already there today. Perhaps the planet began to live back to its peak.

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June 29, 2017, 10:13:52 PM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

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Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin

That is not evolution, Darwin just threw up in his own mouth after reading that.

It is hilarious how the most ardent evolution fundamentalists dont even understand the concept at all.

So let me ask you.

How do you explain existence of African-Americans living in relatively cold weather? And how do you explain existence of white Australians living on equator? For hundreds of years. Shouldnt they start changing skin color the moment they arrive in the new environment?


When people come from Africa if they had a child in the UK as time goes on the children get lighter in colour FACT..

Even some Indians parents are darker skinned than the children if the children been born in the UK..

It's a fact cold weather gives you lighter skin tone ..
Hotter weather darker skin tone ..

Now if you think about where the change come from was AFRICA we all suppose to of started in Africa
so as we spread we got lighter and lighter and features changed over thousands of years..

WASHINGTON, Wed., Aug. 31, 2005 — The first comprehensive comparison of the genetic blueprints of humans and chimpanzees shows our closest living relatives share perfect identity with 96 percent of our DNA sequence, an international research consortium reported today.

In a paper published in the Sept. 1 issue of the journal Nature, the Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, which is supported in part by the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), describes its landmark analysis comparing the genome of the chimp (Pan troglodytes) with that of human (Homo sapiens).

"The sequencing of the chimp genome is a historic achievement that is destined to lead to many more exciting discoveries with implications for human health," said NHGRI Director Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. "As we build upon the foundation laid by the Human Genome Project, it's become clear that comparing the human genome with the genomes of other organisms is an enormously powerful tool for understanding our own biology."

The chimp sequence draft represents the first non-human primate genome and the fourth mammalian genome described in a major scientific publication. A draft of the human genome sequence was published in February 2001, a draft of the mouse genome sequence was published in December 2002 and a draft of the rat sequence was published in March 2004. The essentially complete human sequence was published in October 2004.

"As our closest living evolutionary relatives, chimpanzees are especially suited to teach us about ourselves," said the study's senior author, Robert Waterston, M.D., Ph.D., chair of the Department of Genome Sciences of the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. "We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human? But this genomic comparison dramatically narrows the search for the key biological differences between the species."

"We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human.. A UNIVERSAL INCOME FOR ALL Wink.. Grin
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If you live in African desert for just a week, you will notice your skin turn red. Live there for a month and your skin will gradually turn redder and eventually turn black after years.  Turning black is evolution that you won't feel much heat under the sun. Who knows you'll become a dinosaur after billion of years.  Grin

That is not evolution, Darwin just threw up in his own mouth after reading that.

It is hilarious how the most ardent evolution fundamentalists dont even understand the concept at all.

So let me ask you.

How do you explain existence of African-Americans living in relatively cold weather? And how do you explain existence of white Australians living on equator? For hundreds of years. Shouldnt they start changing skin color the moment they arrive in the new environment?


When people come from Africa if they had a child in the UK as time goes on the children get lighter in colour FACT..

Even some Indians parents are darker skinned than the children if the children been born in the UK..

It's a fact cold weather gives you lighter skin tone ..
Hotter weather darker skin tone ..

Now if you think about where the change come from was AFRICA we all suppose to of started in Africa
so as we spread we got lighter and lighter and features changed over thousands of years..

WASHINGTON, Wed., Aug. 31, 2005 — The first comprehensive comparison of the genetic blueprints of humans and chimpanzees shows our closest living relatives share perfect identity with 96 percent of our DNA sequence, an international research consortium reported today.

In a paper published in the Sept. 1 issue of the journal Nature, the Chimpanzee Sequencing and Analysis Consortium, which is supported in part by the National Human Genome Research Institute (NHGRI), one of the National Institutes of Health (NIH), describes its landmark analysis comparing the genome of the chimp (Pan troglodytes) with that of human (Homo sapiens).

"The sequencing of the chimp genome is a historic achievement that is destined to lead to many more exciting discoveries with implications for human health," said NHGRI Director Francis S. Collins, M.D., Ph.D. "As we build upon the foundation laid by the Human Genome Project, it's become clear that comparing the human genome with the genomes of other organisms is an enormously powerful tool for understanding our own biology."

The chimp sequence draft represents the first non-human primate genome and the fourth mammalian genome described in a major scientific publication. A draft of the human genome sequence was published in February 2001, a draft of the mouse genome sequence was published in December 2002 and a draft of the rat sequence was published in March 2004. The essentially complete human sequence was published in October 2004.

"As our closest living evolutionary relatives, chimpanzees are especially suited to teach us about ourselves," said the study's senior author, Robert Waterston, M.D., Ph.D., chair of the Department of Genome Sciences of the University of Washington School of Medicine in Seattle. "We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human? But this genomic comparison dramatically narrows the search for the key biological differences between the species."

"We still do not have in our hands the answer to a most fundamental question: What makes us human.. A UNIVERSAL INCOME FOR ALL Wink.. Grin

Yet it all works by cause and effect. It is essentially programmed into the universe to act this way.

There isn't any evolution in the standard understanding of evolution by the evolutionist. Nobody has any evidence that people had animal ancestors.

Are you sober, one time? Coherent sentence structure. And only two smileys.

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Are you sober, one time? Coherent sentence structure. And only two smileys.

I will show you many more smelly's when i make loads of BITCOIN right in your face POOP Cheesy
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Hay Badecker did your DAD get charged ?..

Australian police charge Vatican cardinal with sex offenses - ABC News
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June 29, 2017, 11:13:40 PM
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I get it. You live at the same funny farm as noWmad13666.

If evolution ever could be real, you two guys fell off the charts back in prehistoric times.

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I get it. You live at the same funny farm as noWmad13666.

If evolution ever could be real, you two guys fell off the charts back in prehistoric times.

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You are the funny farm Cheesy.

prehistoric times. < One part of the theory of evolution .

You just keep thinking of a man like being that went zap and everything was so..
To be honest it's best if people like you do think like this because way more jobs out there for us ATHEIST because we believe in science fact ..

So you carry on with bible magic..
I will have science magic..
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June 30, 2017, 08:55:02 AM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

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Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

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''the human body was designed to live forever.'' Prove it.
''What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations'' You made up that definition tho.
Plenty of examples of good mutations:
Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Of course you just ignore them because you can't really refute it.

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June 30, 2017, 09:06:27 AM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

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Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

Cool

''the human body was designed to live forever.'' Prove it.
''What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations'' You made up that definition tho.
Plenty of examples of good mutations:
Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Of course you just ignore them because you can't really refute it.


So, you see? You admit that evolution fails. What do you admit that shows its failure? You admit that the mutation idea can be attributed to at least one other thing. What is the other thing? Resistance: "They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.)"

Since you haven't refuted cause and effect programming, resistance is simply something that is programmed into the universe by the Programmer. Evolutionists attempt to add a touch of randomness to the idea of evolution by throwing in the mutation idea. But they can't bypass cause and effect in reality, so they just try to ignore it.

The idea of ignoring what the evolutionists do isn't the important thing. What is way more important is showing that evolutionists ignore reality in their idea of evolution. Evolution is a big, fat hoax.

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June 30, 2017, 09:48:39 AM
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Humans had only lived not longer than a billion years on earth. But evolution is true. Its just that it takes a billion before that will happen and there are factors affecting it.

If you lived on the sea for billion of years, you and your kin will soon adopt the aquatic life and will soon have gills lol  
The monkey/apes that turned into homo-sapiens lived in a place where they need to stand because of predators which they soon stand on two feet.


If you attempt to live in the sea for a billion years, your skin will become shriveled. It will take on the look and feel of puss. Then it will begin to fall off. Then you will die.

If there happened to be beneficial mutations, they are outweighed thousands of times by so many detrimental mutations, that life cannot exist through evolution. How do we know? Because we haven't found even one beneficial mutation that we know is a beneficial mutation rather than a simple built-in form of protection. However, we have identified detrimental mutations all over the place.

Evolution is a neat idea. It i s a self enclosed idea. But in real life, it is a total lie. And when the lie is perpetrated intentionally, it is a hoax. Evolution is a hoax that exists. And that is the only way evolution exists.

Cool

Talking out of your ass again eh? Most mutations are neutral in the sense that they will not be significant. Nachman and Crowell estimate around 3 deleterious mutations out of 175 per generation in humans (2000). Of those that have significant effect, most are harmful, but the fraction which are beneficial is higher than usually though. An experiment with E. coli found that about 1 in 150 newly arising mutations and 1 in 10 functional mutations are beneficial (Perfeito et al. 2007).

The harmful mutations do not survive long, and the beneficial mutations survive much longer, so when you consider only surviving mutations, most are beneficial.

Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).

Whether a mutation is beneficial or not depends on environment. A mutation that helps the organism in one circumstance could harm it in another. When the environment changes, variations that once were counteradaptive suddenly become favored. Since environments are constantly changing, variation helps populations survive, even if some of those variations do not do as well as others. When beneficial mutations occur in a changed environment, they generally sweep through the population rapidly (Elena et al. 1996).

High mutation rates are advantageous in some environments. Hypermutable strains of Pseudomonas aeruginosa are found more commonly in the lungs of cystic fibrosis patients, where antibiotics and other stresses increase selection pressure and variability, than in patients without cystic fibrosis (Oliver et al. 2000).

Note that the existence of any beneficial mutations is a falsification of the young-earth creationism model (Morris 1985, 13).


Here you are, talking propaganda, again. Are you actually trying to play the retard?

How long does a person live? Say, 100 years, maybe. Yet, the human body was designed to live forever. That is how harmful "bad" mutations are.

What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations. The correction is reasonable, generally, because most life doesn't simply die from the bad mutations. It takes a cumulative, joint batch of bad mutations to destroy life. And in people, that cumulation is based on all kinds of things, including radiation, hygiene, smoking, food eaten, and many more.

Both mutation forms are simply cause and effect actions of the universe, directed by the physics laws of the universe. And since mutations are cause and effect things, they don't really fall under the classification and standard definition of mutations. Evolution as the standard evolutionist understands it doesn't exist.

Wake up. You are losing credibility fast.

Cool

''the human body was designed to live forever.'' Prove it.
''What is a "good" mutation? It is simply nature trying to correct damage done by bad mutations'' You made up that definition tho.
Plenty of examples of good mutations:
Beneficial mutations are commonly observed. They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.) They can be repeatedly observed in laboratory populations (Wichman et al. 1999). Other examples include the following:
Mutations have given bacteria the ability to degrade nylon (Prijambada et al. 1995).
Plant breeders have used mutation breeding to induce mutations and select the beneficial ones (FAO/IAEA 1977).
Certain mutations in humans confer resistance to AIDS (Dean et al. 1996; Sullivan et al. 2001) or to heart disease (Long 1994; Weisgraber et al. 1983).
A mutation in humans makes bones strong (Boyden et al. 2002).
Transposons are common, especially in plants, and help to provide beneficial diversity (Moffat 2000).
In vitro mutation and selection can be used to evolve substantially improved function of RNA molecules, such as a ribozyme (Wright and Joyce 1997).
Of course you just ignore them because you can't really refute it.


So, you see? You admit that evolution fails. What do you admit that shows its failure? You admit that the mutation idea can be attributed to at least one other thing. What is the other thing? Resistance: "They are common enough to be problems in the cases of antibiotic resistance in disease-causing organisms and pesticide resistance in agricultural pests (e.g., Newcomb et al. 1997; these are not merely selection of pre-existing variation.)"

Since you haven't refuted cause and effect programming, resistance is simply something that is programmed into the universe by the Programmer. Evolutionists attempt to add a touch of randomness to the idea of evolution by throwing in the mutation idea. But they can't bypass cause and effect in reality, so they just try to ignore it.

The idea of ignoring what the evolutionists do isn't the important thing. What is way more important is showing that evolutionists ignore reality in their idea of evolution. Evolution is a big, fat hoax.

Cool

Cause and effect is meaningless. If everything must have a cause, then what caused God? The counter-arguement to that is that God is an exceptional being that doesn't need a cause. But if there can be something without a cause, why does the exceptional being have to be labeled God? We can use the same argument to say that the Earth is an exceptional thing that, just like your conception of "God", also doesn't need a creator. There is no reason for us to believe that this universe had a beginning, and therefore was created by anything.
There is evidence of things being created, sure, we have humans and some animals using tools to make artifacts. From this you jump to 'everything is created'? How, exactly?

Everything I see and experience hasn't been created, it has been altered, grown, rearranged, spun, settled, and transformed.

How do you know or prove that anything was ever created, as opposed to things simply changing shapes and forms eternally?

For example, can you prove that the earth was ever truly created as opposed to it simply being a large space rock that was pulled into the sun's orbit, and then sculpted by solar wind and meteorites into the shape it currently has?

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I see everyone lived since the very first of "the creation". I'll just simply say evolution exists, but human evolution is not completely known.
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