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January 14, 2019, 12:43:07 PM |
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He continuously makes stupid mistakes. I have explained that to him like 2 times before and yet here he is again, saying the same stupid shit. What can you do?  Ignore I guess. Seems the best thing to do in this case. |
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BADecker
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January 15, 2019, 01:25:24 PM |
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^^^ Yes, you could ignore. It would be easy for evolution believers. Why? Because they ignore that there isn't really any fact for evolution, and that evolution hasn't been proven, and that evolution is simply another form of religion.  |
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Astargath
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January 15, 2019, 02:25:25 PM |
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^^^ Yes, you could ignore. It would be easy for evolution believers. Why? Because they ignore that there isn't really any fact for evolution, and that evolution hasn't been proven, and that evolution is simply another form of religion. Let us know when you admit that you made another terrible mistake by thinking the age of the earth is dated using carbon dating. |
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BADecker
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January 15, 2019, 02:52:03 PM |
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^^^ Yes, you could ignore. It would be easy for evolution believers. Why? Because they ignore that there isn't really any fact for evolution, and that evolution hasn't been proven, and that evolution is simply another form of religion. Let us know when you admit that you made another terrible mistake by thinking the age of the earth is dated using carbon dating. Why do you think that I think that the earth is dated by carbon dating? The point wasn't that. The point was that carbon dating shows the flaws that some scientific people use when using carbon dating to date things. The flaws simply show that the universe is far younger than what is standard thinking. Why? Because carbodn dating can't work the way it does in an old universe... at least not according to anything that we understand. And if we can't understand it, then there is no reason to think that we are correctly understanding that the universe is as old as it is. The old universe is simply a misconception. What does this have to do with evolution? Evolution needs an old universe. Evolution is a hoax. |
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CristianOff
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January 16, 2019, 01:15:14 AM |
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Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.
New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'
Checkmate God believers (including me)
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BADecker
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January 16, 2019, 03:17:55 AM |
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Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.
New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'
Checkmate God believers (including me)
The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 09:48:23 AM |
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Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.
New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'
Checkmate God believers (including me)
The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base. Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it. |
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BADecker
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January 16, 2019, 11:16:33 AM |
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Checkmate Atheists, evolution is a hoax and God exists.
New theory:
What if we evolved from aliens? Aliens that looked pretty much similar to monkeys and were left on Earth by more intelligent species because
we looked similar to monkeys so they thought, 'oh let's just put these guys here, they will be friends'
Checkmate God believers (including me)
The question would ask itself, What did the aliens evolve from? Back to first base. Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it. Being outside the universe makes them neither aliens nor not aliens... scientifically speaking. However, they may have made themselves known to us through revelation, in a non-scientific manner. |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 12:49:16 PM |
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Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.
If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, "God". So a person believes in aliens who created this world would be a theist, not an atheist. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 01:42:21 PM |
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Nope, those aliens have always existed, that's how they created the universe because they are outside of it.
If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, "God". So a person believes in aliens who created this world would be a theist, not an atheist. No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say? |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 01:49:02 PM |
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No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say?
I understand what you mean bro, but that is a monotheistic view of God  God means the intelligent creator(s) of this universe in a broad theistic sense, and God can also be plural or singular. There is polytheism and monotheism, however both are theistic beliefs. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 01:55:42 PM |
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No, actually not at all. God is first of all an invented word but never mind that, the broad definition of god is a creator/being/spirit that created the universe, however that's all singular, it's not defined as a few beings working together to create the universe which could be just as possible, wouldn't you say?
I understand what you mean bro, but that is a monotheistic view of God God means the intelligent creator(s) of this universe in a broad theistic sense, and God can also be plural or singular. There is polytheism and monotheism, however both are theistic beliefs. Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry. |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 01:58:16 PM |
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Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.
Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 02:15:51 PM |
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Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.
Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible. I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc. |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 02:21:42 PM |
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Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.
Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible. I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc. True mate. It comes down to this, are these aliens uncreated? ie always exist, eternal? God is uncreated by definition. God always exist. If these aliens had a point of origin then they are not God. The reason why I described them as God earlier was because of the this statement. "If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, God" Something(s) that create this world and exist outside of space and time must logically be independent of time, ie eternal. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 05:12:01 PM |
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Yeah, no.. God from the bible is clearly defined as 1 being, perhaps 3 but not 100 or 1000. A very advanced alien race outside the universe could have created it and no, that's not god, sorry.
Exactly, but the God of the bible is a monotheistic view of God. Many theists do not believe in the God of the bible. I understand but it doesn't have to be a ''god''. There are thousands of different gods, the other option is simply super advanced civilizations that created the universe without being omnipotent etc etc. True mate. It comes down to this, are these aliens uncreated? ie always exist, eternal? God is uncreated by definition. God always exist. If these aliens had a point of origin then they are not God. The reason why I described them as God earlier was because of the this statement. "If those aliens create the universe and exist outside of space and time, then they are by definition, God" Something(s) that create this world and exist outside of space and time must logically be independent of time, ie eternal. Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument? |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 05:59:33 PM |
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Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument?
It is not an argument mate. I was simply saying that a person who believes that this universe was created by an eternal alien race is a theist, not an atheist. To him, the aliens are gods/deities. I am not saying that you believe this mate, I know you are an atheist. An atheist does not subscribe to the idea that this universe was created by anyone, not even aliens. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 06:59:34 PM |
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Yes and mr super creator that I just invented is now by definition the creator of the universe, therefore mr super creator is the creator of the universe. You see any flaws with that argument?
It is not an argument mate. I was simply saying that a person who believes that this universe was created by an eternal alien race is a theist, not an atheist. To him, the aliens are gods/deities. I am not saying that you believe this mate, I know you are an atheist. An atheist does not subscribe to the idea that this universe was created by anyone, not even aliens. Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now. |
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ATMD
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January 16, 2019, 08:15:13 PM
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Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now.
If the aliens came into existence by themselves (nobody created them), then this implies that something can spontaneously come into existence by itself. Thus even the universe could come into existence by itself as well, and requires no creator. In such a scenario, Occam's razor would indicate that the universe did not need aliens to create it. If the aliens were created by someone, we need to find out whether their creator is eternal, and so on until we identify the first cause, or the eternal being that always exist. Thus we would identify him/her as God. Many theists go back to the first cause from the get-go, they don't bother with intermediary creators, they care about the ultimate creator of everything and who always exists. |
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Astargath
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January 16, 2019, 09:15:45 PM |
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Then they are not eternal, boom! An atheist simply doesn't believe ridiculous claims without evidence. I never rejected the idea that the universe is created by some being somehow somewhere. There is no way to know that right now.
If the aliens came into existence by themselves (nobody created them), then this implies that something can spontaneously come into existence by itself. Thus even the universe could come into existence by itself as well, and requires no creator. In such a scenario, Occam's razor would indicate that the universe did not need aliens to create it. If the aliens were created by someone, we need to find out whether their creator is eternal, and so on until we identify the first cause, or the eternal being that always exist. Thus we would identify him/her as God. Many theists go back to the first cause from the get-go, they don't bother with intermediary creators, they care about the ultimate creator of everything and who always exists. An eternal being is just as weird as something coming into existence spontaneously. I don't think most theists actually care about the truth and what created them. It's more of a way to escape death and give life some meaning. |
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