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May 06, 2013, 05:28:41 AM
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this is my last update for a while. i need sleep...

arklan   3   0.09000000
bigbeninlondon   1   2.10130000
hephaist0s   3   6.30390000
BlackLilac Grant   10   21.01300000
johnny5   20   42.02600000
Stevenrm87   1   2.10130000
AForceNinja   5   10.50650000
DPoS   4   8.40520000
CanaryInTheMine   1   2.10130000
Bogart   10   21.01300000
Oaxaca   10   21.01300000
Photon939   2   4.20260000
purplesquid   11   23.11430000
zapeta   5   10.50650000
GreatBug   5   10.50650000
thoughtcourier   1   2.10130000
Herbalconfusion   5   10.50650000
Pez   1   2.10130000
cchan   5   10.50650000
el3ctrophile   4   8.40520000
logicbomb666   1   2.10130000
win07   1   2.10130000
bitcoinmike   4   8.40520000
Noitev   1   2.10130000
DeveloperFish   5   10.50650000
chaxattack   2   4.20260000
muyuu   2   4.20260000
shep80   1   2.10130000
ensign_lee   5   10.50650000
wa4hsh   2   4.20260000
silverbox   1   2.10130000
Klestin   2   4.20260000
Timzim   4   8.40520000
CommanderVenus   1   2.10130000
twobits   3   6.30390000
lostmach   5   10.50650000
tigerfree   1   2.10130000
Kushedout   2   4.20260000
veryveryinteresting   2   4.20260000
SilentSonicBoom   1   2.10130000
aahzmundus   3   6.30390000
Xian01   10   21.01300000
RoboCoder   10   21.01300000
Naelr   2   4.20260000
arij   3   6.30390000
novusordo   1   2.10130000
themgp   1   2.10130000
doubledave   2   4.20260000
timewaster   2   4.20260000
      
totals   187   386.72920000

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May 06, 2013, 08:19:44 AM
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Also can we hold off payments until the sale thread goes up?
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May 06, 2013, 11:03:09 AM
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first - the price is at least 25% too high. these will be mass-made in only a few months time, probably by the time these are received and reshipped...

second: why would i trust you to re-ship tens of thousands of dollars in hardware, that you could make another 50K on by using yourself for a month....?

um... escrow? and these are supposedly shipping in about 2 weeks...

Just using the word "escrow" doesn't really answer the poster's question.
1. AM gets the BTC
2. Operator gets the hardware
3. Associates (buyers) hope the operator ships their units.

300 * 1.99 = approx  70,000 USD (at the moment).

The escrow agent is holding his identity as a guarantee, yet in reply#95 of this thread the operator tells us his name.  The escrow agent has since not disputed it.  A simple google search tells anybody more than they need to know.

klondike_bar has a real question that hasn't really been answered.  There is a small matter of 70k worth of goods that are not really protected by a damn thing.  I'm not claiming the operator will flee with the goods, but it has been done for a lot less.

My order in this group-buy still stands, but the question needs an answer.


EDIT: - After posting, I saw the operators post with his number et al.  Maybe that will be an answer.  Anyway, I'm sticking with my bid.
I confirm that I have received (via email to my GPG email address) that I received:

1. State driver's license snap belonging to Arklan Uth Oslin.

2. Aklan's self-portrait (via mirror and phone cam) along with his driver's license in hand.

3. Official document mailed and addressed to Arklan, address different from the one in his driver's license but he has given me the explanation on that. I expect to be giving this address to friedcat for the shipping.

4.  Arklan standing in front of his door with the house number in sight clearly. (matching his address above)

5. A digital insurance policy made out to Arklan and the address above.

Some Q&A's on the escrow here (copied from a past group buy I did):
1) Is that contract binding between you and ragingazn628, or is it binding between you and all parties participating in this group buy (Group Buyers)?
It would be binding with all parties involved up to when I submit the order (and the funds) to friedcat. The funds are guaranteed with me up to this point.
Afterwards, it would be between the buyers and Arklan, but please note that my obligation of most of the funds is over once I pass this over to friedcat.(so if friedcat or Arklan fails to ship or anything I'm not in fault although this is very unlikely).

2) What will you do if Arklan keeps the chips for himself?
I would provide all information that I have in hand for this transaction to the public, and probably assist in any litigation/legal enforcement efforts.

3) Do I understand correctly that we (the group buyers) will deliver the full payment to you (John), including Arklan's 1% fee, and you will hold that 1% fee in escrow?
Yes. I will forward the funds to friedcat when the preorder opens, and keep Arklan's fee in escrow. I will ask friedcat to document that I have indeed sent the funds in. (and judging from previous auctions I've done for him, this will be required by him anyway)

4) Have you done anything to verify Arklan's identity and destination shipping address?
See above.

PS: Arklan, please add this to the OP to prevent more questions of the kind coming in. (and this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=195052.msg2037964#msg2037964)
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May 06, 2013, 01:17:55 PM
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I'll take one (1)

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May 06, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
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We're all pissed at the price.  However, the problem with the price is in the 1.99 BTC for 3xx MH, not with the fees involved in this group buy, which are IMHO reasonable.  For me, the cool factor is enough to get a few even though I know as an investment they're not exactly ideal.

There's no need to jump through additional verification hoops. There will be those who are still unsure, but unfortunately no amount of proof will assure everyone. I don't see getting to 300 as a problem.

To help in that regard, please up my order from 2 to 5 units.
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May 06, 2013, 02:14:18 PM
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So the devices we will be receiving will be from "The Sapphire Batch"?

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May 06, 2013, 02:34:41 PM
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ok, i'm awake!

So the devices we will be receiving will be from "The Sapphire Batch"?

yep.

Also can we hold off payments until the sale thread goes up?

absolutely. no payment is expected at this time as it's pointless until the 300 is reached. and equally pointless until the purchase can actually be made. though it might take a couple days to get everyones payments.

john, OP updated.

here's the up-to-now list.
arklan   3   0.09000000
bigbeninlondon   1   2.10130000
hephaist0s   3   6.30390000
BlackLilac Grant   10   21.01300000
johnny5   20   42.02600000
Stevenrm87   1   2.10130000
AForceNinja   5   10.50650000
DPoS   4   8.40520000
CanaryInTheMine   1   2.10130000
Bogart   10   21.01300000
Oaxaca   10   21.01300000
Photon939   2   4.20260000
purplesquid   11   23.11430000
zapeta   5   10.50650000
GreatBug   5   10.50650000
thoughtcourier   1   2.10130000
Herbalconfusion   5   10.50650000
Pez   1   2.10130000
cchan   5   10.50650000
el3ctrophile   4   8.40520000
logicbomb666   1   2.10130000
win07   1   2.10130000
bitcoinmike   4   8.40520000
Noitev   1   2.10130000
DeveloperFish   5   10.50650000
chaxattack   2   4.20260000
muyuu   2   4.20260000
shep80   1   2.10130000
ensign_lee   5   10.50650000
wa4hsh   2   4.20260000
silverbox   1   2.10130000
Klestin   5   10.50650000
Timzim   4   8.40520000
CommanderVenus   1   2.10130000
twobits   3   6.30390000
lostmach   5   10.50650000
tigerfree   1   2.10130000
Kushedout   2   4.20260000
veryveryinteresting   2   4.20260000
SilentSonicBoom   1   2.10130000
aahzmundus   3   6.30390000
Xian01   10   21.01300000
RoboCoder   10   21.01300000
Naelr   2   4.20260000
arij   3   6.30390000
novusordo   1   2.10130000
themgp   1   2.10130000
doubledave   2   4.20260000
timewaster   2   4.20260000
reactor   3   6.30390000
twmz   1   2.10130000

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May 06, 2013, 03:09:26 PM
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ok, i'm awake!

So the devices we will be receiving will be from "The Sapphire Batch"?

yep.

Also can we hold off payments until the sale thread goes up?

absolutely. no payment is expected at this time as it's pointless until the 300 is reached. and equally pointless until the purchase can actually be made. though it might take a couple days to get everyones payments.

john, OP updated.

here's the up-to-now list.
arklan   3   0.09000000
bigbeninlondon   1   2.10130000
hephaist0s   3   6.30390000
BlackLilac Grant   10   21.01300000
johnny5   20   42.02600000
Stevenrm87   1   2.10130000
AForceNinja   5   10.50650000
DPoS   4   8.40520000
CanaryInTheMine   1   2.10130000
Bogart   10   21.01300000
Oaxaca   10   21.01300000
Photon939   2   4.20260000
purplesquid   11   23.11430000
zapeta   5   10.50650000
GreatBug   5   10.50650000
thoughtcourier   1   2.10130000
Herbalconfusion   5   10.50650000
Pez   1   2.10130000
cchan   5   10.50650000
el3ctrophile   4   8.40520000
logicbomb666   1   2.10130000
win07   1   2.10130000
bitcoinmike   4   8.40520000
Noitev   1   2.10130000
DeveloperFish   5   10.50650000
chaxattack   2   4.20260000
muyuu   2   4.20260000
shep80   1   2.10130000
ensign_lee   5   10.50650000
wa4hsh   2   4.20260000
silverbox   1   2.10130000
Klestin   5   10.50650000
Timzim   4   8.40520000
CommanderVenus   1   2.10130000
twobits   3   6.30390000
lostmach   5   10.50650000
tigerfree   1   2.10130000
Kushedout   2   4.20260000
veryveryinteresting   2   4.20260000
SilentSonicBoom   1   2.10130000
aahzmundus   3   6.30390000
Xian01   10   21.01300000
RoboCoder   10   21.01300000
Naelr   2   4.20260000
arij   3   6.30390000
novusordo   1   2.10130000
themgp   1   2.10130000
doubledave   2   4.20260000
timewaster   2   4.20260000
reactor   3   6.30390000
twmz   1   2.10130000


Total remaining to be sold please. Thanks.

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May 06, 2013, 03:13:16 PM
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Ouch - my eyes hurt while reading that block of text. A spreadsheet is dearly needed.  Cry
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May 06, 2013, 03:26:33 PM
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106 remaining to be sold - sorry.

Ouch - my eyes hurt while reading that block of text. A spreadsheet is dearly needed.  Cry

had one - just hadn't made it available. how's this ...for now?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE&usp=sharing

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May 06, 2013, 06:45:52 PM
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OK up my order to 4 ... gotta get this done!

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May 06, 2013, 07:49:33 PM
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I'll take 1.

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May 06, 2013, 08:05:06 PM
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1 please.
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May 06, 2013, 08:52:00 PM
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Why not.  I'm in for 5.
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May 06, 2013, 09:07:18 PM
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thanks guys! we're at 203 ordered 97 to go!

here's the spreadsheet:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjCZrDbAiz_PdE4tbDR3X3owMHNMb1NyekJGWHN4QlE&usp=sharing

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May 06, 2013, 09:18:37 PM
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I just want to make sure the math is right:

Minimum Order 300 units @ 1.99/unit = 597 btc to factory

2% escrow fee to John K on 597 btc = 608.94 btc total needed for a shipment

297 units required to ship (not counting 3 for OP organizing fee)

608.94 / 297 = 2.0503030303... each

.05/unit shipping (that's shipping to our door, not from factory; factory shipping is free).

2.0503030303 + .05 = 2.100303030303

Right?

What's the extra .001 for?


Also, this is a minimum purchase of 300.  Does that mean if we get more demand we can go over 300?  Are we cutting off at exactly 300?
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May 06, 2013, 09:25:05 PM
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I just want to make sure the math is right:

Minimum Order 300 units @ 1.99/unit = 597 btc to factory

2% escrow fee to John K on 597 btc = 608.94 btc total needed for a shipment

297 units required to ship (not counting 3 for OP organizing fee)

608.94 / 297 = 2.0503030303... each

.05/unit shipping (that's shipping to our door, not from factory; factory shipping is free).

2.0503030303 + .05 = 2.100303030303

Right?

What's the extra .001 for?


Also, this is a minimum purchase of 300.  Does that mean if we get more demand we can go over 300?  Are we cutting off at exactly 300?

we will gladly order more then 300 if we get that many.

and your math is different cause you didn't include the shipping inthe amount john gets a fee on. so it's (1.99 x 300) + (.05 x 297) = 611.85 + 2% = 624.087 / 300

err.... i think.

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May 06, 2013, 09:34:07 PM
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I don't want to pee on your cereals, but have you considered the possibility that someone doesn't pay their order in timely manner or at all? What do you do then? This of course isn't a problem if you gather interest for over 300 pieces, because then you can just drop out those who haven't paid, but if you end up on exectly or just a few over 300 then everybody must wait for the last payments and because time is of essence when purchasing mining gear you might end up with some very angry customers.
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May 06, 2013, 09:39:03 PM
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Based on current real life feedback, is there any chance we could get friedcat to knock off 10%? If the North America group buy is stalling, it must be near impossible for the other regions to get one. Unless of course, someone really has gone out and bought 300 of these for resale at high markups.
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May 06, 2013, 09:48:56 PM
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Just out of curiosity, what is the plan when orders start? Its easy to say that 300 people have committed to buy, but it is much harder to say that 300 people have transferred the bitcoins.

Just wondering why you are not accepting transfers right away, as it would gauge real interest and allow people to 'buy' and be done with it. The reason is, I might be pretty busy coming up and might not have time to watch the thread and get in on a buy, or watch for changes etc.



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