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July 23, 2017, 07:09:15 PM
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Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

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July 23, 2017, 07:35:09 PM
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You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

I'm sorry to say, but this is just ridiculous. People are free to use whatever coin (yes, also Bitcoin) for whatever they want. Bitmixer offers a service to the public, a service that I highly appreciate and regularly make use of, from which it can't be blamed for any sort of illicit activities from the user side. Whether you close your doors or not, other mixers will just continue to operate like they have always done, and rightfully so. The only thing you do is making the competition gain more ground, and thus further centralize this tight part of the Bitcoin industry. Bitmixer is the only mixing service I am trusting to exchange my to be cleaned coins for 'clean' coins. Any date on when you think you will close the door permanently? Or is there still a small opening for you to reconsider this statement?
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July 23, 2017, 08:07:44 PM
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That's pretty dramatic to be honest. It makes no sense to shut down a highly profitable operating service just because of your changed opinion. It is in fact right, people do have the right to enjoy a high level of privacy. Especially nowadays where exchanges and other services start forcing people to fully verify themselves. Result of this is that people's personal information is attached to their coins. Exactly for that reason mixers offer a vital bit of freedom to basically every Bitcoiner. At the end of the day it's your choice of course, but do realize that you are taking away an asset from the community. Here also the question -- when will you halt your service?
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July 23, 2017, 08:10:09 PM
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I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Hmm so you care now for illegal activities? Bitcoin and any other currency is prone to that.

Are you guys now targeted by the law enforcement authorities or is it just your opinion?
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July 23, 2017, 08:26:24 PM
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It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

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July 23, 2017, 08:39:30 PM
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I personally don't believe one would just drop something that allows him to earn crazy amounts of income, but it is what it is.

Even though Bitmixer stated that it was his own decision, I hint more towards something that has forced him to stop, but we'll likely never know for real.

For those wondering when Bitmixer will stop, it has already stopped according to bitmixer.io.

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July 23, 2017, 08:41:24 PM
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I can imagine it was a hard decision.  I really liked your service, and believed that Bimixer.io enhanced privacy, which is important in an age where hackers and others are scratching for every dime they can.  Many of your customers will be disappointed, but if you feel that is the right thing to do, then you must do it!

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July 23, 2017, 08:51:17 PM
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It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I
As much as I hate to see you go, and am thankful for employing me to combat the spam in your campaign, I don't believe this to be true. I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.

In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).

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July 23, 2017, 09:10:47 PM
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It seems that the service has been shut down already. In that regard, I want to thank you for every single time I had the opportunity to use your service to enjoy a certain form of privacy. I wish you the best of luck with every future project you get involved in, and perhaps we'll see you pop up again in a different way. I seriously feel bad right now. Embarrassed
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July 23, 2017, 09:15:49 PM
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The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

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July 23, 2017, 09:17:50 PM
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It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I
As much as I hate to see you go, and am thankful for employing me to combat the spam in your campaign, I don't believe this to be true. I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.

In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).
Same here, I don't believe that he turned 180 degrees to anti-privacy. Anyhow, thanks for your service mate!
Goodnight & good luck  Wink
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July 23, 2017, 09:35:49 PM
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Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

If you truly  believe in bitcoin as a currency then it should be used to buy anything and everything good or bad. If people want to buy drugs or whatever then they should be allowed and Bitcoin gives you the freedom to make these choices without a middleman or a government restricting or prohibiting you from doing do, which is the true beauty of it in my opinion.

I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position.

Why don't you sell it and donate the money to charity or do some other good with it? Seems a waste just to shut a profitable business you built up down.

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July 23, 2017, 10:32:35 PM
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So... you went from "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?" in the front page, to "Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity." ?

I know that the overwhelming part of BitMixer users were only using the mixer because of ilegal activities, but still seems odd.

Why don't you sell it and donate the money to charity or do some other good with it? Seems a waste just to shut a profitable business you built up down.
Look on the bright side: he didn't exit scam his costumers. Props on you for doing something great to the community for so many years.

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July 23, 2017, 11:10:44 PM
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Moving to legitimization is a valid view, we have moved far from those days where the Silk Road and MTgox were our fun times, the fun of BTCT, Bitfunder and Havelock were speculated to the Armageddon.

To an extent I still feel Bitcoin should retain its privacy function and utilization through non-associated addresses on a ledger, but I feel like your concerns about being in trouble and getting caught would make it complicated. The shutdown from that view makes sense, I would say if you ever diversify and make another type of bitcoin industry or campaign I wish you the best of luck you escaped a Segwit2x ^^.
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July 23, 2017, 11:17:39 PM
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The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

It is very difficult to see such works. someone get out from profitable work Because of the global interest. Respect for this decision. I am not sure that i will do the same.
I think this will not bring about a major change, Somebody else will catch up on the position

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July 23, 2017, 11:22:00 PM
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Its unfortunate to see bitmixer cease operations but I am sure there will be plenty of other services to fill the gap.

I know Stratis is working on trustless bitcoin mixing through their masternodes.
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July 23, 2017, 11:24:58 PM
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Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.


Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?
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July 23, 2017, 11:36:17 PM
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I didn't expect that bitmixer will do this thing. He sacrifice the huge profit that he are getting and he may get in the future for this aspiration. That's a hard decision you've been done especially if you are in this business for how many years. Anyway, we understand and respect your decision sir.
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Is your server seized??


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July 24, 2017, 01:48:12 AM
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I can imagine it was a hard decision.  I really liked your service, and believed that Bimixer.io enhanced privacy, which is important in an age where hackers and others are scratching for every dime they can.  Many of your customers will be disappointed, but if you feel that is the right thing to do, then you must do it!

Best Wishes from a happy customer and Signature Campaign participant.

Its really a hard decision indeed. You said you have earn a lot so I guess you can channel your funds in other business in the crypto world. I just hope for the best. I'm also a happy Signature campaign participant and I still hoping that we can work in the future.

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July 24, 2017, 01:58:52 AM
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In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).

The code can be replicated, the trust cannot be. One of the reasons that Bitmixer was so successful was that people were ready to trust it with large amounts of Bitcoin. I doubt if they will do it if new users took over.
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July 24, 2017, 02:18:38 AM
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my friend almost using service bitmixer almost 1 year,if my friend heard about this info,maybe he will sad.but i hope after bitmixer closed,owner will have good idea for bitcoin soon
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July 24, 2017, 02:35:47 AM
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seriously what is going on here?Huh?

are we who used it safe, are logs deleted???

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July 24, 2017, 03:10:51 AM
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Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.


Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

the first rule of privacy is to assume everyone is keeping logs on you. this goes for all these privacy-related services for example VPNs (do a quick search on it and you'll see). and also it depends on your usage of this service, were you mixing your coins to reach privacy or were you a drug smuggler hiding from the law enforcement!

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July 24, 2017, 03:20:39 AM
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I suspect that this has to do with the AlphaBay seizure from earlier this month.

Per the complaint against the admin of AlphaBay (paragraph 5):
5. For transactions leaving the site, AlphaBay provided "tumbling" and "mixing" services [...] [and] also advertised other external mixing and tumbling services to its users."
I don't think I have ever visited AlphaBay, however I would suspect they advertised bitmixer.

The forfiture complaint claims that Law Enforcement found the admin of AlphaBay because he posted his email address when he first created the site, and also because he reused an alias he used as an admin of AlphaBay on other forums that can be traced back to his email address. However it appears that Law Enforcement was able to locate the AlphaBay servers, and took them down at a specific time so that they could catch the admin of AlphaBay logged into the backend of AlphaBay, see below:
33. On July 5, 2017, [...] Police [...] arrest[ed] [...] Alexandre CAZES [...] [a]t the time of his arrest, law enforcement discovered CAZES' laptop [...] and logged into the server that hosted the AlphaBay website--CAZES was logged in [...] and had accessed the data center hostin the AlphaBay site in order to execute a reboot command after AlphaBay went offline as a result of a law enforcement-created service outage[...]

I suspect that bitmixer is afraid that law enforcement is going to be able to find their servers, seize them and arrest whoever is behind the website. Based on what has been revealed publicly, this is a risk as long as the site remains online, and shortly thereafter. If bitmixer can cease operations without its servers being located, then its operator's risk of arrest, and the risk of it's servers being seized goes to near zero. The ability for bitmixer's owners to cash out their bitcoin holdings becomes much easier with the activation of SegWit, which is all but guaranteed as of not long ago.

I have a couple of suspects as to who might be ultimately behind bitmixer, some who I think have a higher probability than others of being the operator. I am not going to disclose this list, and hopefully my suspicions will never be tested. I applaud you for closing your service instead of pulling an exit scam (as many businesses have in the past). Good luck!
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July 24, 2017, 03:40:45 AM
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~snip~
If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.

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July 24, 2017, 04:01:58 AM
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As the old saying goes:

"It's never to late to learn to play the pianooperate JoinMarket"

https://github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket/wiki

tl;dr: Bitmixer might have been the largest centralized mixer, but JM is the largest decentralized mixer, and all you hot wallet operators should have been investing your spare coin in it, yesterday.
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~snip~
If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.
Even if AlphaBay did not explicitly advertise bitmixer, the US government is getting more aggressive in prosecuting operators of DNMs as AlphaBay's admin was neither a citizen, a resident, nor had any ties to the US, but was charged in the US anyway (because AlphaBay sold illegal products to people in the US).

Wikileaks recently disclosed a large number of zero-day exploits that had been hoarded by the CIA (despite their pledge to do disclose such exploits), that apparently have since been stolen (as per news reports). At the time of disclosure, the zero-day exploits had the potential to do a lot of damage, and could be executed under circumstances that many people believed would be safe/secure.

There are also rumors that the US was able to use malware to botch the launch of a North Korean missile test earlier this year. The fact that the North Korean misses are (almost certainly) 'air gapped' computers, that NK has no (meaningful) internet access, and that it would be nearly impossible for the US to have physical access to any component of a NK missile many months (or even years) ahead of time, means that, if true, the US government's ability to insert malware into computers is very strong.  

Based on both of the above, bitmixer's operator(s) likely does not have confidence in their ability to keep their servers secret and protected from the US government.
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July 24, 2017, 06:22:18 AM
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(bellyaching tin foil hat *blah* removed)

Or, *they* were leaned on...

In any event, places like shapeshift.io and the other mixers will be the next ones to roll...
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July 24, 2017, 07:01:46 AM
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Its unfortunate to see bitmixer cease operations but I am sure there will be plenty of other services to fill the gap.
If by plenty of other services you mean scams, then yes.

I know Stratis is working on trustless bitcoin mixing through their masternodes.
Tumblebit is inherently different and will take a bit longer to be released/safe enough for large volume.

seriously what is going on here?Huh?

are we who used it safe, are logs deleted???

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Logs were never kept to begin with, at least as far as Bitmixer.io has claimed. AFAIK they were deleting anything older than 24 hours.

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I can't believe this is happening and I deny that there is no outside pressure as the admin said. He may not agree to it but many government's will be against these kind of services. Bitmixer's service was one of the best in the market right now and it is sad to see them go.

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Interesting.

While I assume there must be something that forced you to close the business, I certainly don't buy the argument that it was a "change of heart" thing
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It is a sad news, especially to those who frequently used your services.Why a sudden Announcement, what really happens? You've existed for a long time already and earned so much as what you've said. Pressured?

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Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

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That's unexpected news !

It's really wise to see that you're really care about bitcoin revolution and future
But in other side, people who use it often , it will broke their business or even lossing their job

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Let me explain why.
Is this the real reason, or is there some pressure from government(s) to close the service, or even keep records of transactions?
I didn't expect this, especially since I've seen Bitmixer's sig campaign up to the last second.

From your own site:
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I believe that any violation of privacy is nothing good. - Lech Walesa

Are you guys now targeted by the law enforcement authorities or is it just your opinion?
My thoughs exactly!

I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.
All the more reason for new mixers to remain anonymous. That makes it harder to trust a site, but if the mixer is completely anonymous, they can't be targeted.

It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.
So you're saying you care so much for Bitcoin, you're willing to close your business? That's cute Cheesy
Everything on earth is used for illegal purposes, whether it's Bitcoin or dollars, guns or cars. Closing your mixer is not going to change that.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?
If that would be the reason, they wouldn't close their business.

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue

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Really sad to hear this Now Hansa is also down, What will happen now, should we switch to Zerocoin?
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I am really sad cause we lose the biggest mixer in market.
But there is more rooms for new players. Lets see how this mixer business will go.
I believe it will grow more and more. Its good there bitmixer closed by the fair way.
Didnt steal any coins and just fairly closes.
Lets look forward and use chipmixer : )
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Why do you think Bitmixer is closing? obvious, they're forking/messing with Bitcoin, Bitmixer no longer believes in Bitcoin. it's not like only Bitmixer could mix coins, there are other mixers and they will keep mixing. they succeeded in destroying Bitcoin.

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Wow. This is totally unexpected. As a person who uses mixing services like this one, I don't think that the main reason why people use it is mainly because of buying illegal stuffs online. I mix my coins to clean it because my wallet or exchange wallet will ban my account if a coin is from a gambljng or related to it. Also it helps to avoid people from tracking my transaction which adds to the security of using bitcoin. It's sad that the biggest and one of the most trusted mixer has to shitdown because of this.
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Why do you think Bitmixer is closing? obvious, they're forking/messing with Bitcoin, Bitmixer no longer believes in Bitcoin.

They are probably cashing out and jumping ship before the 1st. It's a good moment because people won't be moving and mixing their coins during this unstable activation period, so it's a good moment to wrap up. Every business owner has to ask himself at some point: do I need more money? Is it worth the risk?
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Are you planning to open source your software?
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Well it is certainly amazing to see an old business that was doing great (according to the owners) shutting down so abruptly.
But that's the decision you made, all it is left for us is to respect it.

I have one single request, if possible, although I'm pretty sure you have already thought of it.

Can you please make sure that for at least one year or two the domain name won't be dropped also, as I doubt the renewal fee would put a financial strain on you ?
By this we can make sure that the name won't be acquired by someone with the intent to profit (scam) based on your hard earned reputation.

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It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

Bitcoin IS a "crime finance revolution", at least according to the guys who make the banking rules. These same people call everyone else criminals when they are the ones stealing.
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Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

I've been mixing all of my earnings from Purse.io & LBC trades since day one mate and they don't come from drugs lol. Admit that you took a wrong decision. Privacy is still a thing in 2017  Tongue
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A real shame but a very sensible move.

There's money to be made but who knows how irrational the legal apparatus is going to be if you're tracked down? They'll probably find you a law that's been broken somewhere.

Be thankful that they ran for so long and so successfully and bowed out with class.
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I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

For the reason you're closing your service, as well as for other reasons, I wouldn't recommend Dash or Zerocoin if privacy is a concern (nor would Greg Maxwell or Peter Todd): https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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Hi all!
You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed.


lol. Just use Monero.
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Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

So sorry to see this but I don't understand you. Do you ever think that will ever be a form of payment only used for clean business? Never!

Doesn't matter how is called , cash, bitcoin , monero , or if we go back to barter people will always do illegal or shady business. So it doesn't really matter what form of payment is used , if people want to obtain something they will regardless.

Your morals are good but in the financial system nowbbody cares , soon somebody will take your place and life goes on. I personally think Bitcoin is done anyway for all DM's , big criminals and even tech/paranoid users Monero will see a big increase.

You provided a great service for many years, good luck to you!
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Can you please make sure that for at least one year or two the domain name won't be dropped also, as I doubt the renewal fee would put a financial strain on you ?
By this we can make sure that the name won't be acquired by someone with the intent to profit (scam) based on your hard earned reputation.
This is one of the most important things Bitmixer has to do.  Their domain expires in just a couple of months, so anyone registering it could scam masses of people on Reddit, Bitcointalk, Slack and basically everywhere.  They already do it with copied sites on slightly different domain names, so imagine what power they'd have on the real domain.

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.

As for Bitmixer shutting down because they believe in transparent transactions - oh, woe is me.  I suppose I'll have to use mixers which are exactly the same as them or sometimes better.  What a shame.

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But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion.
Yeahhh. Well, time to stock up on Monero.
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There's only one coin in existence today that provides full anonymity - Monero.
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i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 
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i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 

They don't have privacy by default. That means they're not as private as mandatory privacy (Monero).

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Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest. I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.

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Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest.
For the deposit, it certainly doesn't require that.  The point is for them to sign a message proving that the address you're sending to is owned by Bitmixer.  So as for the funds coming back to you, you can sign a message proving that you own the address that received a transaction of the same amount you send to Bitmixer, if that makes sense.

After that, the authorities can either believe a mixture of cryptographic proof and completely obvious reasoning, believe that Bitmixer stole your money and you just mysteriously received a transaction from a criminal at that time, or believe that you own Bitmixer.  I'd say the former one is the only logical way that they could go.
I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.
I don't see why not if you provide evidence that Bitcoin's signed message system is sound and you verify Bitmixer's signature.

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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

                                     
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6pazth/largest_bitcoin_mixer_bitmixerio_has_decided_to/dknxxfn/

You could well be on to something there.
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I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..
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I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..

The OP is saying that NO bitcoin mixing service can anonymize you. This makes sense because ALL Bitcoin transactions are on a public ledger...even the mixing. It just makes it harder to trace, but they can still be traced. If you want to be anonymous, convert your BTC to XMR (Monero) use Monero, then convert back to BTC if you want.

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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I have never used any mixers nor i have been involved in any funny business. But if i was, I'd certainly trust nothing from this guy anymore. He is definitively compromised right now so if you did any tumbling of funny coins you have to expect the worst.
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I'm really surprised about reason why you are closing Bitmixer. If site generates huge profit, I don't believe you can close it for moral reasons. Where you morale was in that years when you runned this service?
Anyway, I wasn't user of Bitmixer, but I respect you for running one of the most trusted bitcoin service for these years. Good luck with your future projects, whatever you will do.




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It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire. Smiley
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It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire. Smiley

I think you have a point here, well maybe this is a peaceful exit for them. Owner has earn so much already, good for them. It is also good that they honestly explain their position in public.
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There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

If I were a drug dealer used your service frequently I'd be keep looking for you and eliminate you because now that you want out you are a loose end.

I think you didn't think about that did you genius? once you're in then you're in for good, now you should calm yourself down and get back to the business

As usual, we're worst than any fucking government or any organization, we act when we feel danger, we act by eliminating any loose ends.
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.
This is possible but I don't think this is the case. The kind of website that bitmixer runs means the government is more likely to seize their servers and arrest the owner than serve them with a warrant and/or subpoena.

The OP is likely afraid of capture and shutting down means his chances of this are the greatest.

It is possible that the OP looked at transactions in a short period of time and/or looked at support tickets and say a large percentage of transactions to/from DNMs and don't want to become a target for law enforcement.


 
There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.


Not true. You should quit while you are ahead and while you have your freedom.
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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.



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guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.





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Wow! I never saw this coming. I thought someone was joking when I read this on another thread. So after 6 years you've just changed your mind? I hope that's true and not just BS you have to say in order to protect your freedom. Good luck on your future endeavours!!
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Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me Tongue
When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest.
For the deposit, it certainly doesn't require that.  The point is for them to sign a message proving that the address you're sending to is owned by Bitmixer.  So as for the funds coming back to you, you can sign a message proving that you own the address that received a transaction of the same amount you send to Bitmixer, if that makes sense.

After that, the authorities can either believe a mixture of cryptographic proof and completely obvious reasoning, believe that Bitmixer stole your money and you just mysteriously received a transaction from a criminal at that time, or believe that you own Bitmixer.  I'd say the former one is the only logical way that they could go.
I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.
I don't see why not if you provide evidence that Bitcoin's signed message system is sound and you verify Bitmixer's signature.
Let's put it this way: BitMixer can sign a message now, claiming the address in my profile is their deposit address. The problem is not with Bitcoin's signatures, the problem is with having to trust BitMixer on this.
Of course BitMixer wouldn't do this in the past, as it gives me enough to destroy their reputation. But now that they've closed their business, what stops them from giving out signatures at request to be used at lawsuits from big money launderers?
If I go full paranoid, this could even have been a reason to close the site: save someone who's being charged with something. My point is: this signature isn't worth anything for a judge.

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There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.


Not true. You should quit while you are ahead and while you have your freedom.


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Have to accept this, since this mixer (Bitmixer) runs years already and this platform helps a lot totally to Bitcoin users especially to those who are using always a mixer. And also let's give chance to those new mixers here Grin and since chipmixer already made its name and services to serve people.

EDIT: And I don't know what are the reactions of those people who owned those clones of Bitmixer since they closed their service.Roll Eyes

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Maybe ya'll should see it as an opportunity. Anyone who can provide a service with the same degree of trust will be rewarded.

(May be risky in the current era. Alternatively just buy Monero).
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I never used the service, but was always a friend of all kind of privacy.
Nevertheless, you've my respect for that decision.
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Why would a business that is earning high income in BTC suddenly change course and declare that BTC shouldnt be private? Maybe theres something going on here that needs investigating. Could it be the owners are suddenly pressured to stop mixing coins from the darknet? Theres also the possibility of the service already compromised for a long time by the DEA or FBI or something and the owners just found it this week.
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Was sending some money to family. more then $4,000 tried several times to connect to the .onion site which failed so I ended up having to use the regular site. Downloaded the guarantee letter as usual, and by next day still nothing came out the other end.  Huh

If the profit is so good, finish up our transactions before closing please this was hard worked for and much needed money for them. Have used you many times in the past, this is a bad way to go.

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Maybe it is just an hacked account here, on the webpage there has nothing changed.
If he is the real user, he would anounce that first on his web page.

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[...] I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.[...]
this sentence looks very very suspicious...tough look like you never used a pgp signature, how can we know its you? or even signed this 1BitmixerEiyyp3eTLaCpgBbhYERs48qza
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This was a great service you offered to the Bitcoin community and its unfortunate you have stopped this here. I might understand that you did this concerning greater issues at hand but when you call out other mixing sites to close, don't think they will follow your steps towards closing their respective sites. Such sites have already made a large amount of profit and will continue to do so until they stumble upon issues.
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There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

If I were a drug dealer used your service frequently I'd be keep looking for you and eliminate you because now that you want out you are a loose end.

I think you didn't think about that did you genius? once you're in then you're in for good, now you should calm yourself down and get back to the business

As usual, we're worst than any fucking government or any organization, we act when we feel danger, we act by eliminating any loose ends.

Golly, you sound scary.

Kind of the same as all those Silk Road millions that went down with Gox. How many times was Mark Karpeles murdered again? Not very many as far as I can tell.
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there has been a while everybody knows that bitcoin isn't fully anonymous and there was many attempts to tackle this problem, so what's new in your case? have you just discovered this issue? even Monero has its own issue concerning anonymity, I think you need to tell us the truth about your decision.
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Maybe it is just an hacked account here, on the webpage there has nothing changed.
If he is the real user, he would anounce that first on his web page.

Well, it's there now...



and a link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.new#new (to this thread no less...  Roll Eyes )
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It is so bad news :|

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If the feds go after Zcash's US-based company, HUSH suddenly becomes the only good clone for "perfect" privacy. ZCL and ZEN are much too cloudy on the dev front for me and DASH/monero and their clones are just mixers.
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there has been a while everybody knows that bitcoin isn't fully anonymous and there was many attempts to tackle this problem, so what's new in your case? have you just discovered this issue? even Monero has its own issue concerning anonymity, I think you need to tell us the truth about your decision.

It's literally in his statement, he doesn't want to help criminals make money / wash it for them.

Sad to see this site go, since it was the only trusted mixer i know, and the only one i could trust.

I feel like there's alot more going around then just your sudden change of opinion on anonimity/privacy with bitcoin.
You've probably received threats from the FBI/CIA, that you should shutdown your site, which is honestly, pretty sad.


It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

This is extremely hard to believe, sadly enough.


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No problem, someone else will make such service and someone else will profit from it.

Anyway he was prolly aproached by FBI or any other 3 letter agency.
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surprised OP didn't mention Monero..
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DASH/monero and their clones are just mixers.

https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php


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Whatever, I will use xvg for private transactions.
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Simpley switching to another crypto-currency is easier said than done, for starters the company or person your transacting with needs to accept that same currency as well.

That being say, if one would move towards DASH you'll get the following benifits
DASH
- easy to use private functions
- instant private sent (if you pre-mixed)
- Allot cheaper than bitcoin, and most privacy coins ( transaction costs will be 10x cheaper in the near future)
- An improved decentralized coinjoin, giving added privacy. Coinjoin has been tried and true for many years now, unlike other privacy technics

Do allot of positive things can be said about the competion:

Monero
- 26x blockchain bloat +high transaction fee's for that reason
- Wallet not that easy to use
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Zcash
- They admitted in using a trusted setup, this means you have to trust that they have trown away the key's when they setup the coin, if not all transaction can be made transparant, and unlimited hidden printing
 


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July 25, 2017, 04:21:35 PM
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Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.


Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

Bitcoin mixers always keep logs

Whatever they might claim to the contrary. Also, I don't believe what the OP is saying. Why would he want to close his business if it was so profitable? So I have two assumptions, the less likely one and the more likely one. First assumption (which is less likely) is that the service had been closed by the authorities. It is unlikely because it makes no sense to close it if they can just control it provided they can actually control it. If they can't, that's pretty much it. My second guess (the more likely one) is that mixers have in fact ceased to be profitable, and therefore we could expect more mixers to "follow" Bitmixer's call in the near future

It's literally in his statement, he doesn't want to help criminals make money / wash it for them

That's bullshit. For 6 years it didn't cause any pains, and now it has started

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The Polymorph feature of NAV Coin could be a great replacement. It will enable users to send a whole bunch of different cryptocurrencies anonymously through the dual blockchain powered NAV anonymous transaction system.

This feature is not out yet, it is still in development.
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OP, I would just like to thank you for the weekly signature income that you provided to us. I will never criticize your decision

and I think at the time, you wanted to make a difference. I also think that you can still make a difference with many other

projects in the future. You have certainly made a difference in my life and the life of my family, with the money you paid via

the signature campaign. I managed to pay some debt and it also contributed to my children's education fund.  Wink

Our personal financial privacy is important to us {legal users} and you helped by providing a service that helped us to protect

that.

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July 25, 2017, 05:12:34 PM
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Monero
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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Monero has no competition.

Great you post a pro Monero bias article in favor of Monero that incorrectly states facts about other coins than Monero.
My info are facts, about all the coins. You can choose to believe what you want, but I take a trust-less coin any day of the week over need to trust code and devs.

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Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

How can you say not true ? I provided you with an actually proof, the proof  is from the Monero team them-self. If you can't see it for what is, I don't know what will.

BTC dev's ? which ones ? the ones that are from blockstream ? sure they seem to have the best interest in bitcoin  at heart or crypto in general. Or maybe you talk about the guy that actually invented coinjoin, lol he is calling is own invention snake-oil  ?!?, sounds legit.  

At any rate DASH it's privacy has never been broken, the same can not be said about Monero's (older) version's all the while claiming that it was superior to DASH, and trolling and FUDDING at full speed. Honestly for me that is quit telling.
An Empirical Analysis of Linkability in the Monero Blockchain:
http://monerolink.com/monerolink.pdf

https://steemit.com/cryptonote/@macrochip/warning-every-cryptonote-monero-transaction-in-history-will-be-retroactively-exposed (writen by a pro-dasher )
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July 25, 2017, 06:03:55 PM
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It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

Man, please answere me this question also:
1. is a knife good or bad tool?
2. is atomic energy good or bad tool?
3. BTC mixer is bad or a good tool?
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Monero has no competition.

Great you post a pro Monero bias article in favor of Monero that incorrectly states facts about other coins than Monero.
My info are facts, about all the coins. You can choose to believe what you want, but I take a trust-less coin any day of the week over need to trust code and devs.

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Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

How can you say not true ? I provided you with an actually proof, the proof  is from the Monero team them-self. If you can't see it for what is, I don't know what will.

From the link you posted, and evidently haven't read:
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We patched it quite some time ago, and confirmed that the Monero blockchain had NEVER been exploited using this

Anyone can verify this by going to the link you posted and by checking out the source code. There is no problem or exploit.

Continually posting easily refutable errors/lies under a new account is the only thing here that is suspect.

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While I can fully appreciate your prerogative to do business when and where you want, I just find it funny, and not in a bad way against you, that was August 1st coming up you did this now.

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While I can fully appreciate your prerogative to do business when and where you want, I just find it funny, and not in a bad way against you, that was August 1st coming up you did this now.

The only reason I say this, is that I think the only true mixing where it is completely obscured would be in the midst of this forking. While it may be nearly impossible to discern and connect inputs coming in to outputs going out in a mixer, the technology and the power to parse all of that data it's getting to the point where mixing is damn near impossible, I think this Fork was one of the last opportunities to really have a few transactions where the data would be so obscured that you could really hide something. Anyway good luck.
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July 25, 2017, 06:44:22 PM

I would suggest everyone takes a good look at Jumblr by supernet.

It will be part of the agama multi coin wallet and is a secure & trustless coin mixer, there will also be an inbuilt decentralised exchange capable of atomic swaps.

No brainer for everyone to support this development with a move away from centralised services & exchanges.

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July 25, 2017, 08:44:51 PM

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
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July 25, 2017, 09:32:55 PM

Can't believe largest bitcoin mixer with great trust about to be closed even though i never use this service. I'm sure bitcoiner will have harder time to find bitcoin mixer which is trustable or they have move to altcoin which promise better anonymity.
But, i agree better quit/close service before government track and arrest/seize bitmixer.

This news is actually super shocking. It seems like it came out of the blue.
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Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
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Ok. For me, it's hard to understand such a decision.
I personally continue believing in the possibility of privacy within the bitcoin payment system.

Especially today, where everyone becomes increasingly transparent, we should all work together to keep and defend our privacy more then ever.
There's an increasing number of people wanting to transfer bitcoins legally, without everyone being able to trace back their individual and private transactions.

That's why I think we continue to need bitcoin mixers. They are the essential mean that everyone can take easily to defend and keep up his privacy.

We should work together to keep bitcoin a payment system that works non-centralized and gives us the privacy standards we need. And that has enough services providing individual privacy, such that it stays attractive to everyone and gets even more adoption worldwide.

Since I started joining the bitcoin community, there arose many business, also local ones in my neighborhood that accept bitcoins as a mean of payments. They introduced bitcoin payments, because the decision makers rely on and believe in the many advantages that bitcoin offers.

Let's keep the advantages and the legal use up and encourage developers to create even more stunning apps and tools that make the use of bitcoin easy and secure and let's show the world what a great system bitcoin is!



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July 25, 2017, 09:52:03 PM

Some people who use BTC mixing do so to remain private. Of them, some face serious consequences if their transactions are not truly private: jail or even death. Real privacy matters. So that's why I'm posting this.

Bitcoin mixing is a bad choice if you want to remain private.

The bitmixer.io founder said "...Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book..."

I believe the reason he put "by design" in bold print is that he was drawing attention to Bitcoin as a public ledger system. That's implied by his next sentence. All transactions are public, even those of mixers. A mixer highly obfuscates outputs but doesn't erase them. It can't because it's all based on a public ledger.

That obfuscation is getting easier to track as technology progresses:

https://news.bitcoin.com/law-enforcement-continues-invest-bitcoin-tracking-services/

http://time.com/3689359/bitcoins-track-anonymous/

https://www.elliptic.co/law-enforcement/


In fact, the Feds tracked Bitcoin transactions as part of their closing AlphaBay:

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Federal agents obtained the warrants after tracing a number of Bitcoin transactions originating with AlphaBay to digital currency accounts, and ultimately bank accounts and other tangible assets, held by CAZES and his wife." (p. 17, lines 24-26)
https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3898109/AlphaBay-Cazes-Forfeiture-Complaint.pdf

Keep in mind that not only are all transactions on a public ledger, they're permanently there. So, let's say you want to gamble your privacy by mixing and think your BTC can't be traced today. But 5 years from now, when tracing technology/blockchain analysis is much more advanced than it already is, your mixed transaction could be "unmixed" by blockchain analysis and linked to you.

I'm a fan of BTC, but mixing is a really bad choice if you're trying to be private, whether it's bitmixer.io, sir-mix-a-lot's BTC mixing, or whatever. The OP has admitted this.

Just remember two words: public ledger.

Comparison of Privacy-Centric Coins: https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php also includes Verge and Pivx
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Keep in mind that not only are all transactions on a public ledger, they're permanently there. So, let's say you want to gamble your privacy by mixing and think your BTC can't be traced today. But 5 years from now, when tracing technology/blockchain analysis is much more advanced than it already is, your mixed transaction could be "unmixed" by blockchain analysis and linked to you.

I'm a fan of BTC, but mixing is a really bad choice if you're trying to be private, whether it's bitmixer.io, sir-mix-a-lot's BTC mixing, or whatever. The OP has admitted this.

Just remember two words: public ledger.

this is a very good point. the chances are most people who want to be private are dead meat already and they don't know it. every exchange or payment processor or forum might have left enough of a clue for someone in the future to unearth. nothing on the internet goes away.
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July 26, 2017, 01:40:16 AM

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC

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I have not read this whole thread but i'm guessing the trolls have come out of their mountain cave to spread FUD. So....


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I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.

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July 26, 2017, 03:04:36 AM

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC

I'm sure they were having legal troubles or they got too big and were afraid of legal troubles. Either way I'm shocked by the decision. Why not sell a viable business?
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July 26, 2017, 04:24:55 AM

the last days of bitmixer - the mixer had only 500 btc left! in good days it was about 2500 btc
maybe the investers took out the money

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July 26, 2017, 06:24:02 AM

It was fun whilst it lasted, but now it is gone and replacements will take it's place. < See my signature for more info > This is just the nature of the Bitcoin beast, you take down 1 and 10 will take it's place.

Bitcoin mixing services is just a Add-on service to protect your privacy. If you used cash, you would have had more privacy than the pseudo anonymity that Bitcoin provides. You have a right to protect your information and to protect your wealth. If you misuse this right and you are asked to explain yourself by the authorities, then you should account for your actions, if you did something illegal.

My neighbour or the hacker who compromise my data, should not know where my wealth is and how much wealth I have and how I spend my money. < Mixer services gives you that ability to hide it from them >   ^smile^


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of course, there are several other privacy centered tools around - I would suggest looking at Komodo and its JUMBLR plugin
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For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.
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One of the benefits of JUMBLR is that this is not a Website, its a plugin integrated in the wallet (agama) - no logs, no ips - just Decentralized  & anon
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July 26, 2017, 11:49:14 AM

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833
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July 26, 2017, 11:54:20 AM

For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.
After finding it I also thought about that type of issues. It will really be hard for those who have their activities in gambling sites (workers like you) if it is banned by your country or exchange.

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July 26, 2017, 12:44:06 PM

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC
You cant force them their decision is final. I cant say that its not illegal thinking off that if a service have been used by terms of illegal involvement then it can really be tied up as an illegal too. Knowing that laws will definitely connect it up once you are being used on illegal doings. Its really hard to accept but this service decide to close its doors for its own good.

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July 26, 2017, 12:51:08 PM

And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
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Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer


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July 26, 2017, 01:33:24 PM

"I woke up today and thought I should stop a multi million dollar business to make bitcoin "more clean""

This sounds like april fools except we are on July.

Anyway, so what happens with the signature campaign now? is it still running?
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Anyone have any of their wallet addresses they want to share?
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And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
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Dates   Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23

Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer



There were already hundreds of clones. The problem is not one was legit.
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Maybe this is a conscious mistake from police ;-) So we can't match service with author.

Anyway there's no other bitcoin mixer which went down in this time.
The timing of article/arrest, matches perfectly with bitmixer statement timing.


He was prolly arrested maybe month ago or something, same case as Alphabay.
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For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

There are always legitimate uses of such services, but of course nefarious people will also (ab)use them. I don't think there was anything inherently wrong or illegal with bitmixer or other such tumbling services, but of course that wont stop the USG coming after them.

Anyway, so what happens with the signature campaign now? is it still running?

No, of course not. Why would it? Lauda already announced it was closed.


Where does it say anything about Bitmixer?

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Anyway there's no other bitcoin mixer which went down in this time.
The timing of article/arrest, matches perfectly with bitmixer statement timing.


He was prolly arrested maybe month ago or something, same case as Alphabay.
"Money laundering" is defined very broad by law enforcement. Buying bitcoins at localbitcoins could be persecuted as laundering.

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That's really sad. Bitmixer was arguably one of the best services to exist on this forum for the bitcoin community. Sure it was definitely being used by criminals to mask their identity but there would have been a pack of other legitimate users, using it for their privacy. Hope the guy is released on bail or something. Moreover, I guess this news serves as warning for other services such as chipmixer.

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Stop the FUD.
It doesn't say anything about Bitmixer or the arrested guy.Although there is a possibility they could be under legal pressure but you just can't jump to conclusions when they made it clear it's out of their own wish.
->DirectBet Shuts down
->BitMixer Shuts down
->Alphabay Shuts down

Can you see some patterns here ?
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Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

I want to say that bitmixer was great website with really a lot of profit, imagine minimum 0.5% of 1 million bitcoin, so much...
There is no doubt that it was hardest decision for you to close bitmixer, it's like burning money machine... and even more...
Also you know that 99% of mixed coins would be for criminal activities, despite the fact that you are "privacy expert" as you claim, you took good decision, hang on profit if it will be reason of being in jail.

Also I want to say to all mixers: No one of you could beat bitmixer and if they decided to close bitmixer.io believe me, it's better for you to follow their step and get rid of bad future.


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I'm member of team which runs a mixing service as well. The service runs since 2015. When we started, the legal status of bitcoin was similar to "credit in a videogame". Since then, the legal status of bitcoin changed and many governments push for regulations and KYC policies. Unfortunately, bitcoin still doesn't provide sufficient privacy for ordinary users.

I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.

We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.

Exactly what risk is at stake for an unknown person(s) operating a profitable coin mixing service from some Nation State outside the US? We have no idea who the principals are but they have fear of being caught? Meanwhile, Paul Vernon, a known and recognizable person is somewhere in China, whereabouts known by at least local authorities there if abiding by visa guidelines, freely walks the streets sans fear of being extradited back to the US to face myriad charges.
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And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
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Dates   Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23

Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer



If its legit and they actually do the service I don't see a problem, someone needs to fill the gap.

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Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.
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Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.
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Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.

Fuck the pronouns! Who's the "HE" behind Bitmixer that some 3-LA is pressuring? Did I missed the memo where 3-LA now pressure pronouns behind entities they deem enemies of the State which operate on some foreign soil?
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He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.

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Yep! That makes perfect sense. Start a thread three days ago declaring that you're shutting down, then go to Greece and get picked up by the authorities.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

If Bitsler doesn't allow BTC directly from a gambling site, then first split the BTC from the gambling into another bitcoin wallet address prior to remitting it to Bitsler. It's not rocket science. Surely, Bitsler doesn't look at all the hops a transaction made prior to deposit, do they?
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I'm member of team which runs a mixing service as well. The service runs since 2015. When we started, the legal status of bitcoin was similar to "credit in a videogame". Since then, the legal status of bitcoin changed and many governments push for regulations and KYC policies. Unfortunately, bitcoin still doesn't provide sufficient privacy for ordinary users.

I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.

We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.

Exactly what risk is at stake for an unknown person(s) operating a profitable coin mixing service from some Nation State outside the US? We have no idea who the principals are but they have fear of being caught? Meanwhile, Paul Vernon, a known and recognizable person is somewhere in China, whereabouts known by at least local authorities there if abiding by visa guidelines, freely walks the streets sans fear of being extradited back to the US to face myriad charges.

Well, nobody knows for sure. Many international laws were created before the internet even existed. Sometimes it is hard to tell where and when a law applies. In the end, an old judge (who probably doesn't have a clue how internet works) will decide your fate based on what he thinks is right.

Got it! Then the old judge sentences the pronoun to life in prison. Question: Are pronoun prisons unisex?
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IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal  Shocked

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IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal  Shocked

who knows how it's gonna reverberate elsewhere?

i doubt the masternode thing though. too much law enforcement work for only theoretical gains that no court would be interested in.

in this btce guy's case they must have a mass of evidence of direct law breaking.
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YEP!

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/26/16035702/btce-arrest-bitcoin-alexander-vinnik-mt-gox-theft-suspect

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Greek police have arrested one of the central figures in the Bitcoin exchange BTC-e on suspicion of money laundering. Russian citizen Alexander Vinnik was arrested in Greece at the request of US law enforcement, according to a Reuters report.

The BTC-e exchange has long been a favorite of criminals, as its headquarters in Russia places it outside the reach of US and European law enforcement. Recent Google research found that 95 percent of ransomware cash-outs occurred through the BTC-e exchange, although its unclear whether the exchange itself would be liable for those payments.

Those payments have made BTC-e one of the largest bitcoin exchanges, regularly handling more than 3 percent of total Bitcoin transactions. The exchange has been down since Tuesday evening.

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https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged
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Wow, this statement is just full of bullshit tbh. The only logical explanation for me to read this is that LE took control over that account as well as the mixer itself and then wrote that stupid as hell post.

Bitcoin is a transparent non-anonymous system by design, huh? Who told you that ffs? Have you ever looked into white paper? I'm quite dubious about that, because when you search for key words it gives you 0 (!) results for the word "transparent". However it has a separate chapter called "PRIVACY" where bitcoin is compared to traditional banking system and you can clearly see that Satoshi was striving to break the link between individuals and transactions as much as possible.

Second, your point about criminals. In the first place you were offering money laundering service. Did it really take you so much time to realize the target audience for this?! I mean, REALLY?!! If you were THAT much narrow-minded then I don't believe a person like you would be smart enough to arrange that site.

Anyway, I hope that the team behind bitmixer is in good health and they were let go Embarrassed.
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He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.
It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.
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Meanwhile over at the BBC:

Bitcoin fraud suspect Vinnik charged by US grand jury - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40731200

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It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

Conspiracy keeps thickening

I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon

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Tinfoil hat on. All the conspiracies are beginning to unravel now. The darknet markets going down, Bitmixer stops its service and now BTCe co-owner is arrested for money laundering.

What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?
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It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

Conspiracy keeps thickening

I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon

I don't exactly believe the whole thoughts about the conspiracies behind all of this vey serious matter here, but despite on of that the person arrested has his own will and rights to be sue for a case. There is no court decisions yet and maybe he could appeal for his rights as a human being, and those issues to bring bitcoin down well criminals will not be into that worst situation if there is desired regulations of botcoin to those laundering of money. Well lets do hope that this challenges is only a part of some critics to really wanted to take down bitcoin.

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July 27, 2017, 03:28:17 PM

I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.

1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.

2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.

3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.

4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.

Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.

Thank you.

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July 27, 2017, 04:23:51 PM

Perhaps you should lock this thread now.

Everyone that needs to know appears to have been advised.
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He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.
It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

<playin' devil's advocate; not critical of service but seek answers>

https://bitmixer.io/faqs.html

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What is a Bitmixer code?

After your first exchange you will receive a special Bitmixer code. This code makes sure that you will never receive any of the previous coins you have added to our reserves in any subsequent transactions you make with Bitmixer. In other words this ensures that you remain untraceable.

Day 1: I mixed U$100 worth of bitcoins and received a Bitmixer code so that when I mix subsequent coins I won't received what I previously mixed back. Fine!

48 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two days prior. Fine!

36 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two transactions prior. Fine!

Question: How were the last two transactions achieved given the following? ...

http://themerkle.com/news/interview-with-the-owner-of-bitmixer-io-a-high-volume-bitcoin-mixer/

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Our servers are located in a country where US authorities cant get access to the server without a local court order. Bitcoin is not considered as money here, so we cant be a money-laundering service. We use encrypted disks. We delete all order data after 24 hours. We completely erase old bitcoin addresses from our wallet after coins are sent out. Even if the server is seized, they will find nothing.

Clearly, my Bitmixer code remains on file attached to bitcoin wallet addresses I've previously used, else there would be a strong possibility of me receiving some of the coins back that I may not want attached to me, but that would be an impossibility given that ALL order data is purged from your system within 24 hours, as stated above, resulting in the 3-LAs et al. finding nothing.

Further, I'll be paying you a fee to mix coins stemming from a nefarious act with the strong possibility that I'll be receiving coins stemming from a nefarious act tens of times worst than what I'm tryin' to hide. Surely, wouldn't that bring the feds to my door a knockin' a helluva lot quicker? It'll be pretty embarrassing for me to defend myself if accused of running a underage goat brothel when in fact I ONLY pimp out adult chickens and occasionally a matured goose (soon to pimp ducks - drakes and hens).

Humor aside, I look forward to your reply, devs.

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Nah, no updates, Quick. I guess we'll just sit back and see what transpire in the coming days.  Grin Grin Grin

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July 27, 2017, 05:18:12 PM

I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.

1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.

2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.

3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.

4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.

Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.

Thank you.

Translated: For the past few years, after church I went home to masturbate to porn, mostly to virgin nuns ramming foreign objects up their tight pussies, but I digress. My pastor suggest[ed to] me that that is not an activity I should continue. Sorry, God, 'bout that. If I had only known.  Cry I'm on a good track now - fresh start - trying to put the past behind me.

My take: Bitmixer is/was a 3-LA entity that has run its course, accomplishing what it set out to achieve, now closing shop under the auspices of ...

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July 27, 2017, 06:04:50 PM

Simpley switching to another crypto-currency is easier said than done, for starters the company or person your transacting with needs to accept that same currency as well.

That being say, if one would move towards DASH you'll get the following benifits
DASH
- easy to use private functions
- instant private sent (if you pre-mixed)
- Allot cheaper than bitcoin, and most privacy coins ( transaction costs will be 10x cheaper in the near future)
- An improved decentralized coinjoin, giving added privacy. Coinjoin has been tried and true for many years now, unlike other privacy technics

Do allot of positive things can be said about the competion:

Monero
- 26x blockchain bloat +high transaction fee's for that reason
- Wallet not that easy to use
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Zcash
- They admitted in using a trusted setup, this means you have to trust that they have trown away the key's when they setup the coin, if not all transaction can be made transparant, and unlimited hidden printing
 




Instead of Dash use Verge (XVG) or Monero (XMR) and you don't need to mix coins at all.
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July 27, 2017, 08:06:14 PM

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.
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Europool here.
http://www.europoolgroup.com/en

"Over a period of more than 20 years, Euro Pool Group has developed into the largest logistics service provider of reusable standard packaging in Europe."



If you're trying to troll as EuroPol, at least write the name correctly.

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Europool here.
http://www.europoolgroup.com/en

"Over a period of more than 20 years, Euro Pool Group has developed into the largest logistics service provider of reusable standard packaging in Europe."



If you're trying to troll as EuroPol, at least write the name correctly.

GOLD!!

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July 27, 2017, 08:57:03 PM

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

C+ (not C++) for trying to emulate me with his /S post.
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~snip~
If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.
Even if AlphaBay did not explicitly advertise bitmixer, the US government is getting more aggressive in prosecuting operators of DNMs as AlphaBay's admin was neither a citizen, a resident, nor had any ties to the US, but was charged in the US anyway (because AlphaBay sold illegal products to people in the US).

Wikileaks recently disclosed a large number of zero-day exploits that had been hoarded by the CIA (despite their pledge to do disclose such exploits), that apparently have since been stolen (as per news reports). At the time of disclosure, the zero-day exploits had the potential to do a lot of damage, and could be executed under circumstances that many people believed would be safe/secure.

There are also rumors that the US was able to use malware to botch the launch of a North Korean missile test earlier this year. The fact that the North Korean misses are (almost certainly) 'air gapped' computers, that NK has no (meaningful) internet access, and that it would be nearly impossible for the US to have physical access to any component of a NK missile many months (or even years) ahead of time, means that, if true, the US government's ability to insert malware into computers is very strong.  

Based on both of the above, bitmixer's operator(s) likely does not have confidence in their ability to keep their servers secret and protected from the US government.

No cables required..

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/malware-sends-stolen-data-drone-just-pcs-blinking-led/


or even worse!

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July 28, 2017, 05:56:32 AM

Tinfoil hat on. All the conspiracies are beginning to unravel now. The darknet markets going down, Bitmixer stops its service and now BTCe co-owner is arrested for money laundering.

What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?

he is always involved somehow.

Yeah, its possible that he allowed MtGox to be hacked and laundered all the BTC by mixing most of them in Bitmixer and have them sent to Alexander at BTCe.

Anything is possible now. What was the first darknet market to use BTC? The rabbit hole could go deeper.