The lagest Bitcoin mixer is about to stop working

[BITMIXER.IO]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

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[1Referee]

Hi all!
You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

I'm sorry to say, but this is just ridiculous. People are free to use whatever coin (yes, also Bitcoin) for whatever they want. Bitmixer offers a service to the public, a service that I highly appreciate and regularly make use of, from which it can't be blamed for any sort of illicit activities from the user side. Whether you close your doors or not, other mixers will just continue to operate like they have always done, and rightfully so. The only thing you do is making the competition gain more ground, and thus further centralize this tight part of the Bitcoin industry. Bitmixer is the only mixing service I am trusting to exchange my to be cleaned coins for 'clean' coins. Any date on when you think you will close the door permanently? Or is there still a small opening for you to reconsider this statement?

[richardsNY]

That's pretty dramatic to be honest. It makes no sense to shut down a highly profitable operating service just because of your changed opinion. It is in fact right, people do have the right to enjoy a high level of privacy. Especially nowadays where exchanges and other services start forcing people to fully verify themselves. Result of this is that people's personal information is attached to their coins. Exactly for that reason mixers offer a vital bit of freedom to basically every Bitcoiner. At the end of the day it's your choice of course, but do realize that you are taking away an asset from the community. Here also the question -- when will you halt your service?

[Heartilly]

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Hmm so you care now for illegal activities? Bitcoin and any other currency is prone to that.

Are you guys now targeted by the law enforcement authorities or is it just your opinion?

[BITMIXER.IO]

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

[BitHodler]

I personally don't believe one would just drop something that allows him to earn crazy amounts of income, but it is what it is.

Even though Bitmixer stated that it was his own decision, I hint more towards something that has forced him to stop, but we'll likely never know for real.

For those wondering when Bitmixer will stop, it has already stopped according to bitmixer.io.

[OROBTC]

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I can imagine it was a hard decision.  I really liked your service, and believed that Bimixer.io enhanced privacy, which is important in an age where hackers and others are scratching for every dime they can.  Many of your customers will be disappointed, but if you feel that is the right thing to do, then you must do it!

Best Wishes from a happy customer and Signature Campaign participant.

[Lauda]

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I

As much as I hate to see you go, and am thankful for employing me to combat the spam in your campaign, I don't believe this to be true. I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.
In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).

[1Referee]

It seems that the service has been shut down already. In that regard, I want to thank you for every single time I had the opportunity to use your service to enjoy a certain form of privacy. I wish you the best of luck with every future project you get involved in, and perhaps we'll see you pop up again in a different way. I seriously feel bad right now.

[BITMIXER.IO]

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

[VC George]

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I

As much as I hate to see you go, and am thankful for employing me to combat the spam in your campaign, I don't believe this to be true. I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.
In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).

Same here, I don't believe that he turned 180 degrees to anti-privacy. Anyhow, thanks for your service mate!
Goodnight & good luck 

[hilariousetc]

Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

If you truly  believe in bitcoin as a currency then it should be used to buy anything and everything good or bad. If people want to buy drugs or whatever then they should be allowed and Bitcoin gives you the freedom to make these choices without a middleman or a government restricting or prohibiting you from doing do, which is the true beauty of it in my opinion.

I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position.

Why don't you sell it and donate the money to charity or do some other good with it? Seems a waste just to shut a profitable business you built up down.

[TryNinja]

So... you went from "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?" in the front page, to "Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity." ?

I know that the overwhelming part of BitMixer users were only using the mixer because of ilegal activities, but still seems odd.

Why don't you sell it and donate the money to charity or do some other good with it? Seems a waste just to shut a profitable business you built up down.

Look on the bright side: he didn't exit scam his costumers. Props on you for doing something great to the community for so many years.

[freedomno1]

Moving to legitimization is a valid view, we have moved far from those days where the Silk Road and MTgox were our fun times, the fun of BTCT, Bitfunder and Havelock were speculated to the Armageddon.

To an extent I still feel Bitcoin should retain its privacy function and utilization through non-associated addresses on a ledger, but I feel like your concerns about being in trouble and getting caught would make it complicated. The shutdown from that view makes sense, I would say if you ever diversify and make another type of bitcoin industry or campaign I wish you the best of luck you escaped a Segwit2x ^^.

[examplens]

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

It is very difficult to see such works. someone get out from profitable work Because of the global interest. Respect for this decision. I am not sure that i will do the same.
I think this will not bring about a major change, Somebody else will catch up on the position

[investinator]

Its unfortunate to see bitmixer cease operations but I am sure there will be plenty of other services to fill the gap.

I know Stratis is working on trustless bitcoin mixing through their masternodes.

[BitMixerExit]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

[Shinpako09]

I didn't expect that bitmixer will do this thing. He sacrifice the huge profit that he are getting and he may get in the future for this aspiration. That's a hard decision you've been done especially if you are in this business for how many years. Anyway, we understand and respect your decision sir.

[BitMixerGone]

Is your server seized??


https://censys.io/ipv4/82.221.106.20

[Kemarit]

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I can imagine it was a hard decision.  I really liked your service, and believed that Bimixer.io enhanced privacy, which is important in an age where hackers and others are scratching for every dime they can.  Many of your customers will be disappointed, but if you feel that is the right thing to do, then you must do it!

Best Wishes from a happy customer and Signature Campaign participant.

Its really a hard decision indeed. You said you have earn a lot so I guess you can channel your funds in other business in the crypto world. I just hope for the best. I'm also a happy Signature campaign participant and I still hoping that we can work in the future.

[botany]

In an optimal world, you'd pass along the project code to someone else and let it live. If there are people who are willing to run it, or use it, then we should make that happen (one of the ideas of Bitcoin are openness and accessibility).

The code can be replicated, the trust cannot be. One of the reasons that Bitmixer was so successful was that people were ready to trust it with large amounts of Bitcoin. I doubt if they will do it if new users took over.

[salsa321]

my friend almost using service bitmixer almost 1 year,if my friend heard about this info,maybe he will sad.but i hope after bitmixer closed,owner will have good idea for bitcoin soon

[MunzeDealer]

seriously what is going on here??

are we who used it safe, are logs deleted???

admin answer!!!

[pooya87]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

the first rule of privacy is to assume everyone is keeping logs on you. this goes for all these privacy-related services for example VPNs (do a quick search on it and you'll see). and also it depends on your usage of this service, were you mixing your coins to reach privacy or were you a drug smuggler hiding from the law enforcement!

[Quickseller]

I suspect that this has to do with the AlphaBay seizure from earlier this month.

Per the complaint against the admin of AlphaBay (paragraph 5):

5. For transactions leaving the site, AlphaBay provided "tumbling" and "mixing" services [...] [and] also advertised other external mixing and tumbling services to its users."

I don't think I have ever visited AlphaBay, however I would suspect they advertised bitmixer.

The forfiture complaint claims that Law Enforcement found the admin of AlphaBay because he posted his email address when he first created the site, and also because he reused an alias he used as an admin of AlphaBay on other forums that can be traced back to his email address. However it appears that Law Enforcement was able to locate the AlphaBay servers, and took them down at a specific time so that they could catch the admin of AlphaBay logged into the backend of AlphaBay, see below:

33. On July 5, 2017, [...] Police [...] arrest[ed] [...] Alexandre CAZES [...] [a]t the time of his arrest, law enforcement discovered CAZES' laptop [...] and logged into the server that hosted the AlphaBay website--CAZES was logged in [...] and had accessed the data center hostin the AlphaBay site in order to execute a reboot command after AlphaBay went offline as a result of a law enforcement-created service outage[...]

I suspect that bitmixer is afraid that law enforcement is going to be able to find their servers, seize them and arrest whoever is behind the website. Based on what has been revealed publicly, this is a risk as long as the site remains online, and shortly thereafter. If bitmixer can cease operations without its servers being located, then its operator's risk of arrest, and the risk of it's servers being seized goes to near zero. The ability for bitmixer's owners to cash out their bitcoin holdings becomes much easier with the activation of SegWit, which is all but guaranteed as of not long ago.

I have a couple of suspects as to who might be ultimately behind bitmixer, some who I think have a higher probability than others of being the operator. I am not going to disclose this list, and hopefully my suspicions will never be tested. I applaud you for closing your service instead of pulling an exit scam (as many businesses have in the past). Good luck!

[carlfebz2]

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If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.

[Adlai]

As the old saying goes:

"It's never to late to learn to play the pianooperate JoinMarket"

https://github.com/joinmarket-org/joinmarket/wiki

tl;dr: Bitmixer might have been the largest centralized mixer, but JM is the largest decentralized mixer, and all you hot wallet operators should have been investing your spare coin in it, yesterday.

[Quickseller]

~snip~

If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.

Even if AlphaBay did not explicitly advertise bitmixer, the US government is getting more aggressive in prosecuting operators of DNMs as AlphaBay's admin was neither a citizen, a resident, nor had any ties to the US, but was charged in the US anyway (because AlphaBay sold illegal products to people in the US).

Wikileaks recently disclosed a large number of zero-day exploits that had been hoarded by the CIA (despite their pledge to do disclose such exploits), that apparently have since been stolen (as per news reports). At the time of disclosure, the zero-day exploits had the potential to do a lot of damage, and could be executed under circumstances that many people believed would be safe/secure.

There are also rumors that the US was able to use malware to botch the launch of a North Korean missile test earlier this year. The fact that the North Korean misses are (almost certainly) 'air gapped' computers, that NK has no (meaningful) internet access, and that it would be nearly impossible for the US to have physical access to any component of a NK missile many months (or even years) ahead of time, means that, if true, the US government's ability to insert malware into computers is very strong.  

Based on both of the above, bitmixer's operator(s) likely does not have confidence in their ability to keep their servers secret and protected from the US government.

[Timelord2067]

(bellyaching tin foil hat *blah* removed)

Or, *they* were leaned on...

In any event, places like shapeshift.io and the other mixers will be the next ones to roll...

[Lauda]

Its unfortunate to see bitmixer cease operations but I am sure there will be plenty of other services to fill the gap.

If by plenty of other services you mean scams, then yes.

I know Stratis is working on trustless bitcoin mixing through their masternodes.

Tumblebit is inherently different and will take a bit longer to be released/safe enough for large volume.

seriously what is going on here??

are we who used it safe, are logs deleted???

admin answer!!!

Logs were never kept to begin with, at least as far as Bitmixer.io has claimed. AFAIK they were deleting anything older than 24 hours.

[iram3130]

I can't believe this is happening and I deny that there is no outside pressure as the admin said. He may not agree to it but many government's will be against these kind of services. Bitmixer's service was one of the best in the market right now and it is sad to see them go.

[shaggy404]

Interesting.

While I assume there must be something that forced you to close the business, I certainly don't buy the argument that it was a "change of heart" thing

[clickerz]

It is a sad news, especially to those who frequently used your services.Why a sudden Announcement, what really happens? You've existed for a long time already and earned so much as what you've said. Pressured?

[BITMIXER.IO]

Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

[izanagi narukami]

That's unexpected news !

It's really wise to see that you're really care about bitcoin revolution and future
But in other side, people who use it often , it will broke their business or even lossing their job

[LoyceV]

Let me explain why.

Is this the real reason, or is there some pressure from government(s) to close the service, or even keep records of transactions?
I didn't expect this, especially since I've seen Bitmixer's sig campaign up to the last second.

From your own site:

“I believe that any violation of privacy is nothing good.” - Lech Walesa

Are you guys now targeted by the law enforcement authorities or is it just your opinion?

My thoughs exactly!

I am almost certain that this is government pressure, but you obviously can't admit to that for the same reason.

All the more reason for new mixers to remain anonymous. That makes it harder to trust a site, but if the mixer is completely anonymous, they can't be targeted.

It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

So you're saying you care so much for Bitcoin, you're willing to close your business? That's cute
Everything on earth is used for illegal purposes, whether it's Bitcoin or dollars, guns or cars. Closing your mixer is not going to change that.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

If that would be the reason, they wouldn't close their business.

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me

[snakey]

Really sad to hear this Now Hansa is also down, What will happen now, should we switch to Zerocoin?

[adam1230]

I am really sad cause we lose the biggest mixer in market.
But there is more rooms for new players. Lets see how this mixer business will go.
I believe it will grow more and more. Its good there bitmixer closed by the fair way.
Didnt steal any coins and just fairly closes.
Lets look forward and use chipmixer : )

[digaran]

Why do you think Bitmixer is closing? obvious, they're forking/messing with Bitcoin, Bitmixer no longer believes in Bitcoin. it's not like only Bitmixer could mix coins, there are other mixers and they will keep mixing. they succeeded in destroying Bitcoin.

[jacee]

Wow. This is totally unexpected. As a person who uses mixing services like this one, I don't think that the main reason why people use it is mainly because of buying illegal stuffs online. I mix my coins to clean it because my wallet or exchange wallet will ban my account if a coin is from a gambljng or related to it. Also it helps to avoid people from tracking my transaction which adds to the security of using bitcoin. It's sad that the biggest and one of the most trusted mixer has to shitdown because of this.

[coolcoinz]

Why do you think Bitmixer is closing? obvious, they're forking/messing with Bitcoin, Bitmixer no longer believes in Bitcoin.

They are probably cashing out and jumping ship before the 1st. It's a good moment because people won't be moving and mixing their coins during this unstable activation period, so it's a good moment to wrap up. Every business owner has to ask himself at some point: do I need more money? Is it worth the risk?

[ctor]

Are you planning to open source your software?

[stompix]

Well it is certainly amazing to see an old business that was doing great (according to the owners) shutting down so abruptly.
But that's the decision you made, all it is left for us is to respect it.

I have one single request, if possible, although I'm pretty sure you have already thought of it.

Can you please make sure that for at least one year or two the domain name won't be dropped also, as I doubt the renewal fee would put a financial strain on you ?
By this we can make sure that the name won't be acquired by someone with the intent to profit (scam) based on your hard earned reputation.

[classicsucks]

It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

Bitcoin IS a "crime finance revolution", at least according to the guys who make the banking rules. These same people call everyone else criminals when they are the ones stealing.

[VC George]

Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

I've been mixing all of my earnings from Purse.io & LBC trades since day one mate and they don't come from drugs lol. Admit that you took a wrong decision. Privacy is still a thing in 2017 

[gentlemand]

A real shame but a very sensible move.

There's money to be made but who knows how irrational the legal apparatus is going to be if you're tracked down? They'll probably find you a law that's been broken somewhere.

Be thankful that they ran for so long and so successfully and bowed out with class.

[c789]

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

For the reason you're closing your service, as well as for other reasons, I wouldn't recommend Dash or Zerocoin if privacy is a concern (nor would Greg Maxwell or Peter Todd): https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php

[noise2]

Hi all!
You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed.

lol. Just use Monero.

[BTCIV]

Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

So sorry to see this but I don't understand you. Do you ever think that will ever be a form of payment only used for clean business? Never!

Doesn't matter how is called , cash, bitcoin , monero , or if we go back to barter people will always do illegal or shady business. So it doesn't really matter what form of payment is used , if people want to obtain something they will regardless.

Your morals are good but in the financial system nowbbody cares , soon somebody will take your place and life goes on. I personally think Bitcoin is done anyway for all DM's , big criminals and even tech/paranoid users Monero will see a big increase.

You provided a great service for many years, good luck to you!

[Iranus]

Can you please make sure that for at least one year or two the domain name won't be dropped also, as I doubt the renewal fee would put a financial strain on you ?
By this we can make sure that the name won't be acquired by someone with the intent to profit (scam) based on your hard earned reputation.

This is one of the most important things Bitmixer has to do.  Their domain expires in just a couple of months, so anyone registering it could scam masses of people on Reddit, Bitcointalk, Slack and basically everywhere.  They already do it with copied sites on slightly different domain names, so imagine what power they'd have on the real domain.

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me

When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.
As for Bitmixer shutting down because they believe in transparent transactions - oh, woe is me.  I suppose I'll have to use mixers which are exactly the same as them or sometimes better.  What a shame.

[matt11235]

But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion.

Yeahhh. Well, time to stock up on Monero.

[primer-]

There's only one coin in existence today that provides full anonymity - Monero.

[vamos1]

i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 

[c789]

i think NAV and ZENCASH are the best for anonymity 

They don't have privacy by default. That means they're not as private as mandatory privacy (Monero).

[LoyceV]

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me

When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.

I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest. I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.

[Iranus]

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me

When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.

I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest.

For the deposit, it certainly doesn't require that.  The point is for them to sign a message proving that the address you're sending to is owned by Bitmixer.  So as for the funds coming back to you, you can sign a message proving that you own the address that received a transaction of the same amount you send to Bitmixer, if that makes sense.

After that, the authorities can either believe a mixture of cryptographic proof and completely obvious reasoning, believe that Bitmixer stole your money and you just mysteriously received a transaction from a criminal at that time, or believe that you own Bitmixer.  I'd say the former one is the only logical way that they could go.

I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.

I don't see why not if you provide evidence that Bitcoin's signed message system is sound and you verify Bitmixer's signature.

[1blockologist]

guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

[gentlemand]

guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/6pazth/largest_bitcoin_mixer_bitmixerio_has_decided_to/dknxxfn/

You could well be on to something there.

[john2231]

I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..

[c789]

I was shocked that this mixer with be shutdown because of anonymous transaction and accept the fact that its illegal..
Well i see some other ways right now to use mixing like chipmixer that i hope this one will not shutting down we still need this because gambling here in my country is illegal that i think it can ban our account if we receive bitcoin from gambling..
This is honestly wasn't expected to here from bitmixer well we respect their decision..

The OP is saying that NO bitcoin mixing service can anonymize you. This makes sense because ALL Bitcoin transactions are on a public ledger...even the mixing. It just makes it harder to trace, but they can still be traced. If you want to be anonymous, convert your BTC to XMR (Monero) use Monero, then convert back to BTC if you want.

[omarabid]

I have never used any mixers nor i have been involved in any funny business. But if i was, I'd certainly trust nothing from this guy anymore. He is definitively compromised right now so if you did any tumbling of funny coins you have to expect the worst.

[LTU_btc]

I'm really surprised about reason why you are closing Bitmixer. If site generates huge profit, I don't believe you can close it for moral reasons. Where you morale was in that years when you runned this service?
Anyway, I wasn't user of Bitmixer, but I respect you for running one of the most trusted bitcoin service for these years. Good luck with your future projects, whatever you will do.

[Febo]

It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire.

[k@suy]

It is pretty obvious this come because of pressures with Alphabay and HANSA closing. OP also know that mixing cant fully wash bitcoins. So would get lost of angry customers soon anyway.
In general they have all right to pick up the profits and move on. Most likely just retire.

I think you have a point here, well maybe this is a peaceful exit for them. Owner has earn so much already, good for them. It is also good that they honestly explain their position in public.

[freebutcaged]

There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

If I were a drug dealer used your service frequently I'd be keep looking for you and eliminate you because now that you want out you are a loose end.

I think you didn't think about that did you genius? once you're in then you're in for good, now you should calm yourself down and get back to the business

As usual, we're worst than any fucking government or any organization, we act when we feel danger, we act by eliminating any loose ends.

[Quickseller]

guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

This is possible but I don't think this is the case. The kind of website that bitmixer runs means the government is more likely to seize their servers and arrest the owner than serve them with a warrant and/or subpoena.

The OP is likely afraid of capture and shutting down means his chances of this are the greatest.

It is possible that the OP looked at transactions in a short period of time and/or looked at support tickets and say a large percentage of transactions to/from DNMs and don't want to become a target for law enforcement.


 

There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

Not true. You should quit while you are ahead and while you have your freedom.

[MunzeDealer]

guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

https://keruxreplies.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/conspiracy.jpg

[1blockologist]

guys, OP can't admit it but they are under duress.

This is as obvious as it gets and this is their form of warrant canary. OP specifically mentioned those honeypot coin alternatives to simultaneously aid law enforcement create new investigations on users that don't catch on, as well as make it obvious as code words for their duress.

OP didn't say Zerocash, which has the optional opaque feature although nobody uses it properly. OP said Zerocoin.

OP didn't say Monero, which would stifle all law enforcement effort. In fact, no mention of cryptonote technology at all.

The incongruency was worded to be obvious to any body here for some time, but simply cannot say anything to reveal the state action against him. So therefore it is my turn to reveal how that works to help you all.

In response to non-disclosable actions by the government, some operators of tech services just shutter the service. This is what you saw with encrypted mail services in the past that weren't decentralized enough to simply ignore government pressure.

conspiracy - noun :

"the action of plotting or conspiring."

"a secret plan by a group to do something unlawful or harmful."



there's no need to attempt to trivialize reality with your non sequiturs

[cpfreeplz]

Wow! I never saw this coming. I thought someone was joking when I read this on another thread. So after 6 years you've just changed your mind? I hope that's true and not just BS you have to say in order to protect your freedom. Good luck on your future endeavours!!

[LoyceV]

Note: I've never used BitMixer so I won't miss it's services. One of the reasons for not using it is that the coins I get back are most likely from someone who's trying to hide worse things than me

When you used Bitmixer, they would give you a "Letter of Guarantee" (mentioned here) so that you could prove that you sent funds to their site (signed message from their address + signed message from you = proof).

If the authorities came knocking, you could just prove to them that you sent your funds to Bitmixer, and therefore that the tied coins were not yours.

I've seen it, but I don't think it proves anything as it still requires the authorities to believe BitMixer is honest.

For the deposit, it certainly doesn't require that.  The point is for them to sign a message proving that the address you're sending to is owned by Bitmixer.  So as for the funds coming back to you, you can sign a message proving that you own the address that received a transaction of the same amount you send to Bitmixer, if that makes sense.

After that, the authorities can either believe a mixture of cryptographic proof and completely obvious reasoning, believe that Bitmixer stole your money and you just mysteriously received a transaction from a criminal at that time, or believe that you own Bitmixer.  I'd say the former one is the only logical way that they could go.

I doubt a judge would believe evidence created by the anonymous website that you claim laundered your money into coins wanted for something you claim you didn't do.

I don't see why not if you provide evidence that Bitcoin's signed message system is sound and you verify Bitmixer's signature.

Let's put it this way: BitMixer can sign a message now, claiming the address in my profile is their deposit address. The problem is not with Bitcoin's signatures, the problem is with having to trust BitMixer on this.
Of course BitMixer wouldn't do this in the past, as it gives me enough to destroy their reputation. But now that they've closed their business, what stops them from giving out signatures at request to be used at lawsuits from big money launderers?
If I go full paranoid, this could even have been a reason to close the site: save someone who's being charged with something. My point is: this signature isn't worth anything for a judge.

[CryptoGuu]

 

There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

Not true. You should quit while you are ahead and while you have your freedom.

#true

well played sir and thanks for your service all the years.

[bL4nkcode]

Have to accept this, since this mixer (Bitmixer) runs years already and this platform helps a lot totally to Bitcoin users especially to those who are using always a mixer. And also let's give chance to those new mixers here and since chipmixer already made its name and services to serve people.

EDIT: And I don't know what are the reactions of those people who owned those clones of Bitmixer since they closed their service.

[pbleak]

Maybe ya'll should see it as an opportunity. Anyone who can provide a service with the same degree of trust will be rewarded.

(May be risky in the current era. Alternatively just buy Monero).

[VanLan]

I never used the service, but was always a friend of all kind of privacy.
Nevertheless, you've my respect for that decision.

[pinkflower]

Why would a business that is earning high income in BTC suddenly change course and declare that BTC shouldnt be private? Maybe theres something going on here that needs investigating. Could it be the owners are suddenly pressured to stop mixing coins from the darknet? Theres also the possibility of the service already compromised for a long time by the DEA or FBI or something and the owners just found it this week.

[cryptoJon]

Was sending some money to family. more then $4,000 tried several times to connect to the .onion site which failed so I ended up having to use the regular site. Downloaded the guarantee letter as usual, and by next day still nothing came out the other end. 

If the profit is so good, finish up our transactions before closing please this was hard worked for and much needed money for them. Have used you many times in the past, this is a bad way to go.

cJ

[o_solo_miner]

Maybe it is just an hacked account here, on the webpage there has nothing changed.
If he is the real user, he would anounce that first on his web page.

[jpdorn]

[...] I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.[...]

this sentence looks very very suspicious...tough look like you never used a pgp signature, how can we know its you? or even signed this 1BitmixerEiyyp3eTLaCpgBbhYERs48qza

[13abyknight]

This was a great service you offered to the Bitcoin community and its unfortunate you have stopped this here. I might understand that you did this concerning greater issues at hand but when you call out other mixing sites to close, don't think they will follow your steps towards closing their respective sites. Such sites have already made a large amount of profit and will continue to do so until they stumble upon issues.

[gentlemand]

There is no quitting in this business, you'll soon understand what I mean, when you enter this business you'll have to stay in it till death do us a part.

If I were a drug dealer used your service frequently I'd be keep looking for you and eliminate you because now that you want out you are a loose end.

I think you didn't think about that did you genius? once you're in then you're in for good, now you should calm yourself down and get back to the business

As usual, we're worst than any fucking government or any organization, we act when we feel danger, we act by eliminating any loose ends.

Golly, you sound scary.

Kind of the same as all those Silk Road millions that went down with Gox. How many times was Mark Karpeles murdered again? Not very many as far as I can tell.

[bellajbadr]

there has been a while everybody knows that bitcoin isn't fully anonymous and there was many attempts to tackle this problem, so what's new in your case? have you just discovered this issue? even Monero has its own issue concerning anonymity, I think you need to tell us the truth about your decision.

[Timelord2067]

Maybe it is just an hacked account here, on the webpage there has nothing changed.
If he is the real user, he would anounce that first on his web page.

Well, it's there now...



and a link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.new#new (to this thread no less...  )

[adamvp]

It is so bad news :|

[zawy]

If the feds go after Zcash's US-based company, HUSH suddenly becomes the only good clone for "perfect" privacy. ZCL and ZEN are much too cloudy on the dev front for me and DASH/monero and their clones are just mixers.

[AdolfinWolf]

there has been a while everybody knows that bitcoin isn't fully anonymous and there was many attempts to tackle this problem, so what's new in your case? have you just discovered this issue? even Monero has its own issue concerning anonymity, I think you need to tell us the truth about your decision.

It's literally in his statement, he doesn't want to help criminals make money / wash it for them.

Sad to see this site go, since it was the only trusted mixer i know, and the only one i could trust.

I feel like there's alot more going around then just your sudden change of opinion on anonimity/privacy with bitcoin.
You've probably received threats from the FBI/CIA, that you should shutdown your site, which is honestly, pretty sad.

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

This is extremely hard to believe, sadly enough.

[operator55]

No problem, someone else will make such service and someone else will profit from it.

Anyway he was prolly aproached by FBI or any other 3 letter agency.

[PGPpfKkx]

surprised OP didn't mention Monero..

[Cruncher]

DASH/monero and their clones are just mixers.

https://moneroforcash.com/monero-vs-dash-vs-zcash-vs-bitcoinmixers.php

[Slemicek]

Whatever, I will use xvg for private transactions.

[iloveBTCtomuch]

Simpley switching to another crypto-currency is easier said than done, for starters the company or person your transacting with needs to accept that same currency as well.

That being say, if one would move towards DASH you'll get the following benifits
DASH
- easy to use private functions
- instant private sent (if you pre-mixed)
- Allot cheaper than bitcoin, and most privacy coins ( transaction costs will be 10x cheaper in the near future)
- An improved decentralized coinjoin, giving added privacy. Coinjoin has been tried and true for many years now, unlike other privacy technics

Do allot of positive things can be said about the competion:

Monero
- 26x blockchain bloat +high transaction fee's for that reason
- Wallet not that easy to use
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Zcash
- They admitted in using a trusted setup, this means you have to trust that they have trown away the key's when they setup the coin, if not all transaction can be made transparant, and unlimited hidden printing
 

[deisik]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

Be honest:

What logs have you kept, for how long and with what countries law enforcement do you cooperate?

Bitcoin mixers always keep logs

Whatever they might claim to the contrary. Also, I don't believe what the OP is saying. Why would he want to close his business if it was so profitable? So I have two assumptions, the less likely one and the more likely one. First assumption (which is less likely) is that the service had been closed by the authorities. It is unlikely because it makes no sense to close it if they can just control it provided they can actually control it. If they can't, that's pretty much it. My second guess (the more likely one) is that mixers have in fact ceased to be profitable, and therefore we could expect more mixers to "follow" Bitmixer's call in the near future

It's literally in his statement, he doesn't want to help criminals make money / wash it for them

That's bullshit. For 6 years it didn't cause any pains, and now it has started

[DenDanny]

The Polymorph feature of NAV Coin could be a great replacement. It will enable users to send a whole bunch of different cryptocurrencies anonymously through the dual blockchain powered NAV anonymous transaction system.

This feature is not out yet, it is still in development.

[Kprawn]

OP, I would just like to thank you for the weekly signature income that you provided to us. I will never criticize your decision

and I think at the time, you wanted to make a difference. I also think that you can still make a difference with many other

projects in the future. You have certainly made a difference in my life and the life of my family, with the money you paid via

the signature campaign. I managed to pay some debt and it also contributed to my children's education fund. 

Our personal financial privacy is important to us {legal users} and you helped by providing a service that helped us to protect

that.

Good luck with your future projects and thanks for your valuable contribution to the strengthening of this experiment. 

[c789]

Monero
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

[iloveBTCtomuch]

Monero has no competition.

Great you post a pro Monero bias article in favor of Monero that incorrectly states facts about other coins than Monero.
My info are facts, about all the coins. You can choose to believe what you want, but I take a trust-less coin any day of the week over need to trust code and devs.

Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

How can you say not true ? I provided you with an actually proof, the proof  is from the Monero team them-self. If you can't see it for what is, I don't know what will.

BTC dev's ? which ones ? the ones that are from blockstream ? sure they seem to have the best interest in bitcoin  at heart or crypto in general. Or maybe you talk about the guy that actually invented coinjoin, lol he is calling is own invention snake-oil  ?!?, sounds legit.  

At any rate DASH it's privacy has never been broken, the same can not be said about Monero's (older) version's all the while claiming that it was superior to DASH, and trolling and FUDDING at full speed. Honestly for me that is quit telling.
An Empirical Analysis of Linkability in the Monero Blockchain:
http://monerolink.com/monerolink.pdf

https://steemit.com/cryptonote/@macrochip/warning-every-cryptonote-monero-transaction-in-history-will-be-retroactively-exposed (writen by a pro-dasher )

[BitcoinOnFire]

It was a really very hard decision. Especially it was hard to drop this business because of incredible high income. But we never had any government or legal pressure, it is only my own opinion. I really believe in clean transparent Bitcoin. I really happy that Bitcoin legalized as payment system and currency in many countries, I actually didn't believe in this in 2011.

Man, please answere me this question also:
1. is a knife good or bad tool?
2. is atomic energy good or bad tool?
3. BTC mixer is bad or a good tool?

[c789]

Monero has no competition.

Great you post a pro Monero bias article in favor of Monero that incorrectly states facts about other coins than Monero.
My info are facts, about all the coins. You can choose to believe what you want, but I take a trust-less coin any day of the week over need to trust code and devs.

Not true. If you read the link that you posted, you'd see that the bug was discovered and patched, and it was done BEFORE anyone had exploited it. It was discovered by XMR devs, not by others or hackers. The XMR community voluntarily pays for PhD mathematicians and cryptographers to scrutinize the code and look for weaknesses. The code is all open source so anyone can review it and verify this.

Since BTC devs and cryptographers point out security problems with Dash, Zcash, mixing services, and others, but haven't with Monero, that should tell us something.

How can you say not true ? I provided you with an actually proof, the proof  is from the Monero team them-self. If you can't see it for what is, I don't know what will.

From the link you posted, and evidently haven't read:

We patched it quite some time ago, and confirmed that the Monero blockchain had NEVER been exploited using this

Anyone can verify this by going to the link you posted and by checking out the source code. There is no problem or exploit.

Continually posting easily refutable errors/lies under a new account is the only thing here that is suspect.

[2girls]

While I can fully appreciate your prerogative to do business when and where you want, I just find it funny, and not in a bad way against you, that was August 1st coming up you did this now.

[taxmanmt5]

While I can fully appreciate your prerogative to do business when and where you want, I just find it funny, and not in a bad way against you, that was August 1st coming up you did this now.

The only reason I say this, is that I think the only true mixing where it is completely obscured would be in the midst of this forking. While it may be nearly impossible to discern and connect inputs coming in to outputs going out in a mixer, the technology and the power to parse all of that data it's getting to the point where mixing is damn near impossible, I think this Fork was one of the last opportunities to really have a few transactions where the data would be so obscured that you could really hide something. Anyway good luck.

[markj113]

I would suggest everyone takes a good look at Jumblr by supernet.

It will be part of the agama multi coin wallet and is a secure & trustless coin mixer, there will also be an inbuilt decentralised exchange capable of atomic swaps.

No brainer for everyone to support this development with a move away from centralised services & exchanges.

[Gyrsur]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

W T F

[|Bitkoin|]

Can't believe largest bitcoin mixer with great trust about to be closed even though i never use this service. I'm sure bitcoiner will have harder time to find bitcoin mixer which is trustable or they have move to altcoin which promise better anonymity.
But, i agree better quit/close service before government track and arrest/seize bitmixer.

This news is actually super shocking. It seems like it came out of the blue.

[Casy]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

Ok. For me, it's hard to understand such a decision.
I personally continue believing in the possibility of privacy within the bitcoin payment system.

Especially today, where everyone becomes increasingly transparent, we should all work together to keep and defend our privacy more then ever.
There's an increasing number of people wanting to transfer bitcoins legally, without everyone being able to trace back their individual and private transactions.

That's why I think we continue to need bitcoin mixers. They are the essential mean that everyone can take easily to defend and keep up his privacy.

We should work together to keep bitcoin a payment system that works non-centralized and gives us the privacy standards we need. And that has enough services providing individual privacy, such that it stays attractive to everyone and gets even more adoption worldwide.

Since I started joining the bitcoin community, there arose many business, also local ones in my neighborhood that accept bitcoins as a mean of payments. They introduced bitcoin payments, because the decision makers rely on and believe in the many advantages that bitcoin offers.

Let's keep the advantages and the legal use up and encourage developers to create even more stunning apps and tools that make the use of bitcoin easy and secure and let's show the world what a great system bitcoin is!



For alternatives, check out my signature below.

[c789]

Some people who use BTC mixing do so to remain private. Of them, some face serious consequences if their transactions are not truly private: jail or even death. Real privacy matters. So that's why I'm posting this.

Bitcoin mixing is a bad choice if you want to remain private.

The bitmixer.io founder said "...Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book..."

I believe the reason he put "by design" in bold print is that he was drawing attention to Bitcoin as a public ledger system. That's implied by his next sentence. All transactions are public, even those of mixers. A mixer highly obfuscates outputs but doesn't erase them. It can't because it's all based on a public ledger.

That obfuscation is getting easier to track as technology progresses:

https://news.bitcoin.com/law-enforcement-continues-invest-bitcoin-tracking-services/

http://time.com/3689359/bitcoins-track-anonymous/

https://www.elliptic.co/law-enforcement/


In fact, the Feds tracked Bitcoin transactions as part of their closing AlphaBay:

Federal agents obtained the warrants after tracing a number of Bitcoin transactions originating with AlphaBay to digital currency accounts, and ultimately bank accounts and other tangible assets, held by CAZES and his wife." (p. 17, lines 24-26)

https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3898109/AlphaBay-Cazes-Forfeiture-Complaint.pdf

Keep in mind that not only are all transactions on a public ledger, they're permanently there. So, let's say you want to gamble your privacy by mixing and think your BTC can't be traced today. But 5 years from now, when tracing technology/blockchain analysis is much more advanced than it already is, your mixed transaction could be "unmixed" by blockchain analysis and linked to you.

I'm a fan of BTC, but mixing is a really bad choice if you're trying to be private, whether it's bitmixer.io, sir-mix-a-lot's BTC mixing, or whatever. The OP has admitted this.

Just remember two words: public ledger.

[European Central Bank]

Keep in mind that not only are all transactions on a public ledger, they're permanently there. So, let's say you want to gamble your privacy by mixing and think your BTC can't be traced today. But 5 years from now, when tracing technology/blockchain analysis is much more advanced than it already is, your mixed transaction could be "unmixed" by blockchain analysis and linked to you.

I'm a fan of BTC, but mixing is a really bad choice if you're trying to be private, whether it's bitmixer.io, sir-mix-a-lot's BTC mixing, or whatever. The OP has admitted this.

Just remember two words: public ledger.

this is a very good point. the chances are most people who want to be private are dead meat already and they don't know it. every exchange or payment processor or forum might have left enough of a clue for someone in the future to unearth. nothing on the internet goes away.

[forzendiablo]

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC

[MasterMined710]

I have not read this whole thread but i'm guessing the trolls have come out of their mountain cave to spread FUD. So....


February 27, 2016

Dash De-anonymization Contest

Icebreaker and other trolleros: I have donated $1 to Monero's development team. I sent 0.25 Dash (TX ID: 59d51690d4b56ddbf1e393fa8d3a49bcfc3247f270f36be3b6ee411802666cba-000) to shapeshift.io, which converted it to Bitcoin and sent it to the official Monero donation address listed at https://getmonero.org/getting-started/donate/.

I challenge you to de-anonymize this transaction. To make it just a little easier, I only used four rounds of Darksend, so it's exponentially less private than it would be with the maximum eight rounds.

Please tell me what address this transaction originated from.

Cheers!

[Chris!]

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC

I'm sure they were having legal troubles or they got too big and were afraid of legal troubles. Either way I'm shocked by the decision. Why not sell a viable business?

[modsrocky]

the last days of bitmixer - the mixer had only 500 btc left! in good days it was about 2500 btc
maybe the investers took out the money

[Kakmakr]

It was fun whilst it lasted, but now it is gone and replacements will take it's place. < See my signature for more info > This is just the nature of the Bitcoin beast, you take down 1 and 10 will take it's place.

Bitcoin mixing services is just a Add-on service to protect your privacy. If you used cash, you would have had more privacy than the pseudo anonymity that Bitcoin provides. You have a right to protect your information and to protect your wealth. If you misuse this right and you are asked to explain yourself by the authorities, then you should account for your actions, if you did something illegal.

My neighbour or the hacker who compromise my data, should not know where my wealth is and how much wealth I have and how I spend my money. < Mixer services gives you that ability to hide it from them >   ^smile^

[LocoMB]

of course, there are several other privacy centered tools around - I would suggest looking at Komodo and its JUMBLR plugin

[nydiacaskey01]

For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

[Acura3600]

One of the benefits of JUMBLR is that this is not a Website, its a plugin integrated in the wallet (agama) - no logs, no ip‘s - just Decentralized  & anon

[CryptoGuu]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

[0day]

For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

After finding it I also thought about that type of issues. It will really be hard for those who have their activities in gambling sites (workers like you) if it is banned by your country or exchange.

[carlfebz2]

this is crazy why are you guys stopping, this is not illegal.. just change the ways you operate ie move between altcoins with anonimity like EXCL XMR DASH and move back to BTC

You cant force them their decision is final. I cant say that its not illegal thinking off that if a service have been used by terms of illegal involvement then it can really be tied up as an illegal too. Knowing that laws will definitely connect it up once you are being used on illegal doings. Its really hard to accept but this service decide to close its doors for its own good.

[stompix]

And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
vs
https://bitmixer.io/


Whois Record for BitMixOr.io

Dates   Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23

Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer

[MunzeDealer]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

http://i65.tinypic.com/4k788j.jpg

[RonPaulBTC]

"I woke up today and thought I should stop a multi million dollar business to make bitcoin "more clean""

This sounds like april fools except we are on July.

Anyway, so what happens with the signature campaign now? is it still running?

[bitcoinwhoswho]

Anyone have any of their wallet addresses they want to share?

[European Central Bank]

And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
vs
https://bitmixer.io/


Whois Record for BitMixOr.io

Dates   Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23

Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer

There were already hundreds of clones. The problem is not one was legit.

[operator55]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Maybe this is a conscious mistake from police ;-) So we can't match service with author.

Anyway there's no other bitcoin mixer which went down in this time.
The timing of article/arrest, matches perfectly with bitmixer statement timing.

He was prolly arrested maybe month ago or something, same case as Alphabay.

[hilariousetc]

For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

There are always legitimate uses of such services, but of course nefarious people will also (ab)use them. I don't think there was anything inherently wrong or illegal with bitmixer or other such tumbling services, but of course that wont stop the USG coming after them.

Anyway, so what happens with the signature campaign now? is it still running?

No, of course not. Why would it? Lauda already announced it was closed.

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Where does it say anything about Bitmixer?

[ChipMixer]

Anyway there's no other bitcoin mixer which went down in this time.
The timing of article/arrest, matches perfectly with bitmixer statement timing.

He was prolly arrested maybe month ago or something, same case as Alphabay.

"Money laundering" is defined very broad by law enforcement. Buying bitcoins at localbitcoins could be persecuted as laundering.

[Termin4tor]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

thats the fate waiting for masternodes operators is the US.

That's really sad. Bitmixer was arguably one of the best services to exist on this forum for the bitcoin community. Sure it was definitely being used by criminals to mask their identity but there would have been a pack of other legitimate users, using it for their privacy. Hope the guy is released on bail or something. Moreover, I guess this news serves as warning for other services such as chipmixer.

[Joel_Jantsen]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Stop the FUD.
It doesn't say anything about Bitmixer or the arrested guy.Although there is a possibility they could be under legal pressure but you just can't jump to conclusions when they made it clear it's out of their own wish.
->DirectBet Shuts down
->BitMixer Shuts down
->Alphabay Shuts down

Can you see some patterns here ?

[shield132]

Don't worry, we didn't keep logs, we deleted all used wallets, our servers never been seized, we had very strong mixing algorithm. We never collaborated with feds. All our clients are protected. We did our work honesty as described.

About "I'm not a criminal. Why should I mix my coins?". I really believed in this years ago. But look, in 2016 we mixed about 1M bitcoins. What do you think what part of this sum was non criminal? I don't know, we provided just a tool and didn't ask from what source coins coming. But I guess not all of them was clean. I really don't want to earn helping criminals. It is not only personal. Bitcoin couldn't be accepted by general public and governments if it is a crime tool. No, no, no. Fortunately last years appeared special anonymous cryptocurrencies for this purpose. But Bitcoin has another big aims. It is a finance revolution, but not a crime finance revolution.

I want to say that bitmixer was great website with really a lot of profit, imagine minimum 0.5% of 1 million bitcoin, so much...
There is no doubt that it was hardest decision for you to close bitmixer, it's like burning money machine... and even more...
Also you know that 99% of mixed coins would be for criminal activities, despite the fact that you are "privacy expert" as you claim, you took good decision, hang on profit if it will be reason of being in jail.

Also I want to say to all mixers: No one of you could beat bitmixer and if they decided to close bitmixer.io believe me, it's better for you to follow their step and get rid of bad future.

[Gleb Gamow]

I'm member of team which runs a mixing service as well. The service runs since 2015. When we started, the legal status of bitcoin was similar to "credit in a videogame". Since then, the legal status of bitcoin changed and many governments push for regulations and KYC policies. Unfortunately, bitcoin still doesn't provide sufficient privacy for ordinary users.

I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.

We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.

Exactly what risk is at stake for an unknown person(s) operating a profitable coin mixing service from some Nation State outside the US? We have no idea who the principals are but they have fear of being caught? Meanwhile, Paul Vernon, a known and recognizable person is somewhere in China, whereabouts known by at least local authorities there if abiding by visa guidelines, freely walks the streets sans fear of being extradited back to the US to face myriad charges.

[kalodu]

And here we go , the clone is born:




https://bitmixor.io/
vs
https://bitmixer.io/


Whois Record for BitMixOr.io

Dates   Created on 2017-07-23 - Expires on 2018-07-23 - Updated on 2017-07-23

Website Title     BITMIXER.IO | High Volume Bitcoin Mixer

If its legit and they actually do the service I don't see a problem, someone needs to fill the gap.

[Reid]

Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.

[Quickseller]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

[Gleb Gamow]

Anyway. Still a big thanks to the Bitmixer company. You did help a lot of bitcoin users.
It seems like there is pressure with his words when I read his posts.
He is just using some reasons for it to look like it aint that big. But it is really obvious it is big.
If the authority is pressuring him then we cannot do anything about it anymore.
His decision then we respect that.

Fuck the pronouns! Who's the "HE" behind Bitmixer that some 3-LA is pressuring? Did I missed the memo where 3-LA now pressure pronouns behind entities they deem enemies of the State which operate on some foreign soil?

[hilariousetc]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.

[Gleb Gamow]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

Yep! That makes perfect sense. Start a thread three days ago declaring that you're shutting down, then go to Greece and get picked up by the authorities. 

[Gleb Gamow]

For someone who gets paid to post and earnings are sent through the gambling site (Bitsler) like me, I use a mixer because my local exchange site does not allow BTCs coming from gambling sites (they will suspend my account or close my account) and known HYIPs that's why I am dumbfounded by Bitmixers decision and might look for other alternatives that offers same service with same level of trust earned by Bitmixer.

If Bitsler doesn't allow BTC directly from a gambling site, then first split the BTC from the gambling into another bitcoin wallet address prior to remitting it to Bitsler. It's not rocket science. Surely, Bitsler doesn't look at all the hops a transaction made prior to deposit, do they?

[Gleb Gamow]

I'm member of team which runs a mixing service as well. The service runs since 2015. When we started, the legal status of bitcoin was similar to "credit in a videogame". Since then, the legal status of bitcoin changed and many governments push for regulations and KYC policies. Unfortunately, bitcoin still doesn't provide sufficient privacy for ordinary users.

I think that our colleges from bitmixer decided that it is not worth the risk and discontinued the service. I understand their decision and wish them good luck.

We will keep CoinMixer running for now and keep an eye on the situation.

Exactly what risk is at stake for an unknown person(s) operating a profitable coin mixing service from some Nation State outside the US? We have no idea who the principals are but they have fear of being caught? Meanwhile, Paul Vernon, a known and recognizable person is somewhere in China, whereabouts known by at least local authorities there if abiding by visa guidelines, freely walks the streets sans fear of being extradited back to the US to face myriad charges.

Well, nobody knows for sure. Many international laws were created before the internet even existed. Sometimes it is hard to tell where and when a law applies. In the end, an old judge (who probably doesn't have a clue how internet works) will decide your fate based on what he thinks is right.

Got it! Then the old judge sentences the pronoun to life in prison. Question: Are pronoun prisons unisex?

[Liquid71]

IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal 

[European Central Bank]

IF running a mixer is illegal then every Dash masternode is running a money laundering service and illegal 

who knows how it's gonna reverberate elsewhere?

i doubt the masternode thing though. too much law enforcement work for only theoretical gains that no court would be interested in.

in this btce guy's case they must have a mass of evidence of direct law breaking.

[Gleb Gamow]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

YEP!

https://www.theverge.com/2017/7/26/16035702/btce-arrest-bitcoin-alexander-vinnik-mt-gox-theft-suspect

Greek police have arrested one of the central figures in the Bitcoin exchange BTC-e on suspicion of money laundering. Russian citizen Alexander Vinnik was arrested in Greece at the request of US law enforcement, according to a Reuters report.

The BTC-e exchange has long been a favorite of criminals, as its headquarters in Russia places it outside the reach of US and European law enforcement. Recent Google research found that 95 percent of ransomware cash-outs occurred through the BTC-e exchange, although it’s unclear whether the exchange itself would be liable for those payments.

Those payments have made BTC-e one of the largest bitcoin exchanges, regularly handling more than 3 percent of total Bitcoin transactions. The exchange has been down since Tuesday evening.

[throwawayme3434534554]

https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndca/pr/russian-national-and-bitcoin-exchange-charged-21-count-indictment-operating-alleged

[charger100]

Wow, this statement is just full of bullshit tbh. The only logical explanation for me to read this is that LE took control over that account as well as the mixer itself and then wrote that stupid as hell post.

Bitcoin is a transparent non-anonymous system by design, huh? Who told you that ffs? Have you ever looked into white paper? I'm quite dubious about that, because when you search for key words it gives you 0 (!) results for the word "transparent". However it has a separate chapter called "PRIVACY" where bitcoin is compared to traditional banking system and you can clearly see that Satoshi was striving to break the link between individuals and transactions as much as possible.

Second, your point about criminals. In the first place you were offering money laundering service. Did it really take you so much time to realize the target audience for this?! I mean, REALLY?!! If you were THAT much narrow-minded then I don't believe a person like you would be smart enough to arrange that site.

Anyway, I hope that the team behind bitmixer is in good health and they were let go .

[Quickseller]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.

It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

[Timelord2067]

Meanwhile over at the BBC:

Bitcoin fraud suspect Vinnik charged by US grand jury - http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40731200

[deisik]

It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

Conspiracy keeps thickening

I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon

[pinkflower]

Tinfoil hat on. All the conspiracies are beginning to unravel now. The darknet markets going down, Bitmixer stops its service and now BTCe co-owner is arrested for money laundering.

What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?

[Clavulanic]

It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

Conspiracy keeps thickening

I'd rather say it would be naive to consider these events as completely unrelated but we still don't see the whole picture here. And seeing the whole picture is of primary importance to any Bitcoin user here or anywhere. If it is just a train of events which is in fact about tracking down some criminals (or what the US government thinks as criminals, for that matter), that would be one thing, but if it is only a small part of a bigger plan aiming at bringing Bitcoin down and ultimately destroying it, that would be a totally different thing. In the latter case, what we have just seen is only a beginning of the whole show, and more events should follow soon

I don't exactly believe the whole thoughts about the conspiracies behind all of this vey serious matter here, but despite on of that the person arrested has his own will and rights to be sue for a case. There is no court decisions yet and maybe he could appeal for his rights as a human being, and those issues to bring bitcoin down well criminals will not be into that worst situation if there is desired regulations of botcoin to those laundering of money. Well lets do hope that this challenges is only a part of some critics to really wanted to take down bitcoin.

[BITMIXER.IO]

I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.

1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.

2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.

3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.

4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.

Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.

Thank you.

[Timelord2067]

Perhaps you should lock this thread now.

Everyone that needs to know appears to have been advised.

[Gleb Gamow]

He got caught today. thanks for your service Sir!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/russian-wanted-in-us-caught-in-greece-for-money-laundering/2017/07/26/13d912a2-71ef-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.dd36e8531833

Are you sure this is the bitmixer operator? I have read rumors that this was the btce owner.

He's probably just spreading FUD. It is much more likely to be the btc e guy but I've not seen anything concrete so I would disregard it as mere speculation based on rumour right now.

It seems that it is pretty much confirmed that was the btc-e operator, and I have read no reliable reports about that being related to bitmixer.

Interestingly enough, the indictment was filed under seal on June 21, and bitmixer was announced to be shutting down two days later. It makes me wonder if either bitmixer was either somehow involved (meaning they were being run by the US Government), or if they had advance knowledge about the indictment (meaning they received requests for information from the US government, and were potentially provided information about their service they did not like).

Thinking about it a little bit, I think it is more likely to be the latter. Blockchain analytics companies have the ability to trace (larger) amounts of bitcoin that flow through most mixers, and it is possible that, as part of a request for information from law enforcement, they were provided with certain stats about their service regarding how much flows through their service from things like DNMs and ransomeware.

A little bit less likely, but it is also possible that bitmixer was in fact part of this. The indictment has a couple of paragraphs redacted, one of which is regarding a related company to the Alex guy. I suspect that some of btc-e servers were seized by law enforcement, causing them to go offline, and it is possible that some of bitmixer's servers were also seized.

<playin' devil's advocate; not critical of service but seek answers>

https://bitmixer.io/faqs.html

What is a Bitmixer code?

After your first exchange you will receive a special Bitmixer code. This code makes sure that you will never receive any of the previous coins you have added to our reserves in any subsequent transactions you make with Bitmixer. In other words this ensures that you remain untraceable.

Day 1: I mixed U$100 worth of bitcoins and received a Bitmixer code so that when I mix subsequent coins I won't received what I previously mixed back. Fine!

48 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two days prior. Fine!

36 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two transactions prior. Fine!

Question: How were the last two transactions achieved given the following? ...

http://themerkle.com/news/interview-with-the-owner-of-bitmixer-io-a-high-volume-bitcoin-mixer/

Our servers are located in a country where US authorities can’t get access to the server without a local court order. Bitcoin is not considered as money here, so we can’t be a money-laundering service. We use encrypted disks. We delete all order data after 24 hours. We completely erase old bitcoin addresses from our wallet after coins are sent out. Even if the server is seized, they will find nothing.

Clearly, my Bitmixer code remains on file attached to bitcoin wallet addresses I've previously used, else there would be a strong possibility of me receiving some of the coins back that I may not want attached to me, but that would be an impossibility given that ALL order data is purged from your system within 24 hours, as stated above, resulting in the 3-LAs et al. finding nothing.

Further, I'll be paying you a fee to mix coins stemming from a nefarious act with the strong possibility that I'll be receiving coins stemming from a nefarious act tens of times worst than what I'm tryin' to hide. Surely, wouldn't that bring the feds to my door a knockin' a helluva lot quicker? It'll be pretty embarrassing for me to defend myself if accused of running a underage goat brothel when in fact I ONLY pimp out adult chickens and occasionally a matured goose (soon to pimp ducks - drakes and hens).

Humor aside, I look forward to your reply, devs.

Bruno

Is there any update to this?

Nah, no updates, Quick. I guess we'll just sit back and see what transpire in the coming days. 

Translated: HAHAHA

[Gleb Gamow]

I received a lot of questions by PM, let's clear the situation.

1. We are not under feds control, all our users are safe, all logs and old wallets deleted. We had incredible multiserver custom written Bitcoin software and outstanding mixing algorithm. It is impossible find out even the fact you used bitmixer (it is possible only by logs of your provider if you didn't use tor version). We didn't had linked wallets, traceable ip addresses etc. Don't worry about your past transactions.

2. We do not sell the domain name nor our software nor methods we used for mixing.

3. All I wrote is true. I've changed the view of this business and Bitcoin future. About question "is a knife good or bad tool?". If you sell knifes and you know that most of your clients are murders, will you stop your business? My pastor suggest me it is not a business I should continue. Sorry for that.

4. The message to other mixers. If even btc-e considered as money laundering service, what do you think about your business? Don't be innocent.

Very important message for our investors who still didn't take money. Please take your principal using your investor panel.

Thank you.

Translated: For the past few years, after church I went home to masturbate to porn, mostly to virgin nuns ramming foreign objects up their tight pussies, but I digress. My pastor suggest[ed to] me that that is not an activity I should continue. Sorry, God, 'bout that. If I had only known.  I'm on a good track now - fresh start - trying to put the past behind me.

My take: Bitmixer is/was a 3-LA entity that has run its course, accomplishing what it set out to achieve, now closing shop under the auspices of ...

[Slemicek]

Simpley switching to another crypto-currency is easier said than done, for starters the company or person your transacting with needs to accept that same currency as well.

That being say, if one would move towards DASH you'll get the following benifits
DASH
- easy to use private functions
- instant private sent (if you pre-mixed)
- Allot cheaper than bitcoin, and most privacy coins ( transaction costs will be 10x cheaper in the near future)
- An improved decentralized coinjoin, giving added privacy. Coinjoin has been tried and true for many years now, unlike other privacy technics

Do allot of positive things can be said about the competion:

Monero
- 26x blockchain bloat +high transaction fee's for that reason
- Wallet not that easy to use
- Most importantly off all, coins (could) be printed out of thin air without you know it, has been possible before !
https://getmonero.org/2017/05/17/disclosure-of-a-major-bug-in-cryptonote-based-currencies.html

Zcash
- They admitted in using a trusted setup, this means you have to trust that they have trown away the key's when they setup the coin, if not all transaction can be made transparant, and unlimited hidden printing
 

Instead of Dash use Verge (XVG) or Monero (XMR) and you don't need to mix coins at all.

[europool]

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

[Lutpin]

Europool here.

http://www.europoolgroup.com/en

"Over a period of more than 20 years, Euro Pool Group has developed into the largest logistics service provider of reusable standard packaging in Europe."


If you're trying to troll as EuroPol, at least write the name correctly.

[Gyrsur]

Europool here.

http://www.europoolgroup.com/en

"Over a period of more than 20 years, Euro Pool Group has developed into the largest logistics service provider of reusable standard packaging in Europe."


If you're trying to troll as EuroPol, at least write the name correctly.

GOLD!!

 

[Gleb Gamow]

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

C+ (not C++) for trying to emulate me with his /S post.

[CardShare]

~snip~

If they did recommend or somehow advertise bitmixer then probably this would be the cause of such immediate closure of this mixing service. I was little bit shocked that this site decided to close its doors to early saying that its just their own personal reasons but well we dont know whats actually the truth thing behind this but after reading this i can say that theres a possibility or links regarding on this situation. Better to stop early before government will caught you.

Even if AlphaBay did not explicitly advertise bitmixer, the US government is getting more aggressive in prosecuting operators of DNMs as AlphaBay's admin was neither a citizen, a resident, nor had any ties to the US, but was charged in the US anyway (because AlphaBay sold illegal products to people in the US).

Wikileaks recently disclosed a large number of zero-day exploits that had been hoarded by the CIA (despite their pledge to do disclose such exploits), that apparently have since been stolen (as per news reports). At the time of disclosure, the zero-day exploits had the potential to do a lot of damage, and could be executed under circumstances that many people believed would be safe/secure.

There are also rumors that the US was able to use malware to botch the launch of a North Korean missile test earlier this year. The fact that the North Korean misses are (almost certainly) 'air gapped' computers, that NK has no (meaningful) internet access, and that it would be nearly impossible for the US to have physical access to any component of a NK missile many months (or even years) ahead of time, means that, if true, the US government's ability to insert malware into computers is very strong.  

Based on both of the above, bitmixer's operator(s) likely does not have confidence in their ability to keep their servers secret and protected from the US government.

No cables required..

https://www.wired.com/2017/02/malware-sends-stolen-data-drone-just-pcs-blinking-led/


or even worse!

https://youtu.be/2OzTWiGl1rM

[pinkflower]

Tinfoil hat on. All the conspiracies are beginning to unravel now. The darknet markets going down, Bitmixer stops its service and now BTCe co-owner is arrested for money laundering.

What if Mark Karpeles of MtGox is also involved in this?

he is always involved somehow.

Yeah, its possible that he allowed MtGox to be hacked and laundered all the BTC by mixing most of them in Bitmixer and have them sent to Alexander at BTCe.

Anything is possible now. What was the first darknet market to use BTC? The rabbit hole could go deeper.

[johhnyUA]

Why anyone will be need clean BTC? Average people enough in bank payment system, they don't need bitcoin, 'cause bitcoin it's not a payment system not quite. Without decentralization and anonimity it will be worst than Visa.

[kik1977]

Don't see the point in blaming him.

One of the following:

- It is his own real reason, and he's entitled to do whatever he likes with his business (unlikely)
- He received pressure, but obviously he will not say it publicly (possible)
- He has read the writing on the wall and decided to leave and enjoy the profits before they put him in jail (likely)

[ozaeri]

Don't see the point in blaming him.

One of the following:

- It is his own real reason, and he's entitled to do whatever he likes with his business (unlikely)
- He received pressure, but obviously he will not say it publicly (possible)
- He has read the writing on the wall and decided to leave and enjoy the profits before they put him in jail (likely)

At the end of the day we can only speculate as to the reasons, some people will be unhappy but he is free to do whatever he wants.

He likely has more than enough money to last him the rest of his life anyway so good on him for deciding to call it quits I say.

[thiec]

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

There is no private here, all transaction are shown in the blockchain and you need FIAT to have a live.
Now every where, any critical store or business already implant "known your customer policy", you hide nowhere.

Like chinese proverb said that people afraid of businessman, businessman afraid of government. So you never win against government

[Gleb Gamow]

Europool here.

Don't pay attention to what the first guy, bitmixer.io, said. It's safe to continue to use Bitcoin mixers. The nonprivate blockchain ensures this. We really can't trace anything on the nonprivate blockchain because we lack the resources to do so. Bitmixer.io is just ignorant.

Our US Government friends, in your best interest, encourage you to continue using Bitcoin mixers, Dash and Zcash. Don't pay attention to their CEO who said they could deanonymise your transactions. He was high that day and was just joking. What a riot!

Look. We don't care how you spend your money. We're only after terrorists but we need to monitor all transactions since we don't know who could be a terrorist. THere's really no way to narrow down a list of possible terrorists, no way at all and you know that's true, so we look at everyone. It's really no big deal though. I mean we can't trace anything anyway.

It's been a long day. I'm off to the pub to see a...get ready for it...mixologist. Wha-what? Because alcohol never hurt anyone but weed is worse than rapists. That's why we let rapists in and kick weed out. Note to self: delete the previous sentence before posting.

Thanks for your cooperation.

There is no private here, all transaction are shown in the blockchain and you need FIAT to have a live.
Now every where, any critical store or business already implant "known your customer policy", you hide nowhere.

Like chinese proverb said that people afraid of businessman, businessman afraid of government. So you never win against government

Looks like the only thing left is to regress back to the barter system ...

"I didn't get any bread."
"You want bread?"
"Yes, please."
"Two blowjobs."
"But everybody else got bread."
"No blowjobs from you for one year! NEXT!"

"Kramer, the guy is not a looney tune. Technically, a cucumber is a fruit and as for the prices expressed in fiat, that's just his way of reflecting on the past. Now, are you gonna give me your underwear or not so that I can trade it for some freshly ripe mangos?"

[FLoving]

Why anyone will be need clean BTC? Average people enough in bank payment system, they don't need bitcoin, 'cause bitcoin it's not a payment system not quite. Without decentralization and anonimity it will be worst than Visa.

Along with anonymity and decentralized there are a it of other benefits of bitcoins which is making bitcoin much more better than any other payment system or from visa etc. I like bitcoin the most because due to bitcoin the freelancers are sending their money with lowest fees which is very high if paid with banks or other payment processor. It has also enabled the whole world to work the same while before bitcoin there were tiers in the online earning system and some people were not able to access to online earning.

[pinkflower]

Don't see the point in blaming him.

One of the following:

- It is his own real reason, and he's entitled to do whatever he likes with his business (unlikely)
- He received pressure, but obviously he will not say it publicly (possible)
- He has read the writing on the wall and decided to leave and enjoy the profits before they put him in jail (likely)

Theres also the chance that Bitmixer  was compromised and they have only discovered it recently. All their activities and secrets are known to the government and have no choice but to run and hide.

[hashshashin]

Interesting how the name of the topic was chosen!

"the largest bitcoin mixer is about to..." . Really interesting, I think you should think about it

[ImHash]

Oh well, no more free coins from you I guess, after your partner got arrested in Greece for laundering $4 Billion dollars I would stop my business as well.
Can I have the business please? I will provide the funds/coins myself I just need the name plus code and the domain, I will share 30% of the profit for 2 years with you, I could even take the servers in an underground bunker which is nuke proof so no one could ever reach me or my servers.
Please don't just throw away years of hard work and reputation which you earned and gained by sweat and blood.

[ActiveP]

It sucks that bitmixer has stopped operations, you were the best mixer in the industry. I don't blame you for shutting down, your freedom is more important. I hope to see you involved in other projects assuming the law does not find a way to drag you into their mess.

[adangold1]

From bitmixer.io site :

BitMixer has a huge reserve of Bitcoins already in its system.

May be i'm paranoid but is there a possibility that you had any connection with btc-e ? Because i think that your large reserve of Bitcoins (mixed) could only come from there and you stopped your service, two days later btc-e went down. May be you were aware that something like that will happen. For me there are too much coincidences. If you have any link with btc-e please help us to recover our money.

[ImHash]

From bitmixer.io site :

BitMixer has a huge reserve of Bitcoins already in its system.

May be i'm paranoid but is there a possibility that you had any connection with btc-e ? Because i think that your large reserve of Bitcoins (mixed) could only come from there and you stopped your service, two days later btc-e went down. May be you were aware that something like that will happen. For me there are too much coincidences. If you have any link with btc-e please help us to recover our money.

So yet another exchange service ran away with people's money just like that? I didn't know about it until now reading from your post, I must get in to it then.
BTW, I think Bitblender and Chipmonkeys now are celebrating because their main competitor backed off shut down just like that, smart move would be for them to double their advertisements to saturate the net as Bitmixer's only legit replacements.

[Gleb Gamow]

From bitmixer.io site :

BitMixer has a huge reserve of Bitcoins already in its system.

May be i'm paranoid but is there a possibility that you had any connection with btc-e ? Because i think that your large reserve of Bitcoins (mixed) could only come from there and you stopped your service, two days later btc-e went down. May be you were aware that something like that will happen. For me there are too much coincidences. If you have any link with btc-e please help us to recover our money.

So yet another exchange service ran away with people's money just like that? I didn't know about it until now reading from your post, I must get in to it then.
BTW, I think Bitblender and Chipmonkeys now are celebrating because their main competitor backed off shut down just like that, smart move would be for them to double their advertisements to saturate the net as Bitmixer's only legit replacements.

That's what I would do starting with Google adwords. The process to participate on said platform is simple. First, provide Google with your name and ... See where I'm goin' with this?

[HabBear]

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

Your competitors will get your business for much cheaper, and as such it's admirable that you stay true to your new found beliefs as you close this chapter of your life with Bitcoin. You could easily take one last pay day with a sale...it's uncharacteristic of "business man" to avoid such an easy arrangement.

Given that you are the self proclaimed "privacy experts", it would be interesting to see how you use that expertise with Bitcoin in a manner that supports your beliefs for what Bitcoin should be used for.

I hope you're not abandoning Bitcoin all together. Good luck to you.

[Gleb Gamow]

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

My Take 1: You use "like" like a quasi-colloquialism indigenous to the US (Western World) given the context. What's your mother tongue again?

My Take 2: In re "privacy experts" you best hope that you only accessed this USELESS^{<according to Leroy Fodor>} forum via Tor, albeit even then you're vulnerable according to learned privacy experts.

[hyet24]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

You mean cocaine or meth?  What a stereotypical person.  Alcohol destroy lives everyday why is this not banned?

[Gleb Gamow]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

Translated: My pastor told me to abandon this business, so if you wanna buy weed use Dash or Zerocoin; for accessing underage porn sites, use Ether or Monero; for purchasing weapons off the darknet, use DarkCoin; for buying peaches from Georgia, use CarterCoin; to donate to your place of worship, use JesusCoin.

[mindrust]

From what i see,

Bitmixer is just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught.

He is now acting like a tough guy but nobody is perfect, everybody does mistakes and %100 anonymity is not possible.

Since bitmixer was an automated service, who knows how much btc they cleaned up over the years. btc-e itself got rekt for the same reason and If i were operating bitmixer.io, I would be scared either. So, no judging you or whatsoever.

I used your services and enjoyed it very much.

Good luck.

[Gleb Gamow]

From what i see,

Bitmixer is just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught.

He is now acting like a tough guy but nobody is perfect, everybody does mistakes and %100 anonymity is not possible.

Since bitmixer was an automated service, who knows how much btc they cleaned up over the years. btc-e itself got rekt for the same reason and If i were operating bitmixer.io, I would be scared either. So, no judging you or whatsoever.

I used your services and enjoyed it very much.

Good luck.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

I guess that's why you make the big bucks via posting wonderful insight in satisfying your sig campaign commitment, eh?

So sage one, Bitmixer closed up shop because  they were "just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught" you say?

Here's a question that only you can answer: If Bitmixer closed up shop on July 23 and Vinnik of BTC-e was arrested on July 25, thus negating your "wonderful insight", exactly what universe do you call home where the aforementioned is true? Feel free to consult with any of universal buds prior to answering so that you don't flunk this pop quiz.

BTW, nice sig, bud. Is that one of the better paying campaigns currently available?

[mindrust]

I guess that's why you make the big bucks via posting wonderful insight in satisfying your sig campaign commitment, eh?

So sage one, Bitmixer closed up shop because  they were "just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught" you say?

Here's a question that only you can answer: If Bitmixer closed up shop on July 23 and Vinnik of BTC-e was arrested on July 25, thus negating your "wonderful insight", exactly what universe do you call home where the aforementioned is true? Feel free to consult with any of universal buds prior to answering so that you don't flunk this pop quiz.

BTW, nice sig, bud. Is that one of the better paying campaigns currently available?

btc-e's situation started way before that date. And when you are in a business that big, you may gather information way before the others.

See this news?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-idUSKBN1A51UZ

It is from 20th July.

Now you know why they decided it on 23rd.

I hope my wonderful insight helped you very much. I wear whatever signature I want! Now Piss Off!

edit:

Accusing me for being a sig spammer even though the service is over and He is wearing a sig himself. What kind of a hypocrite fuck are you?

[Gleb Gamow]

I guess that's why you make the big bucks via posting wonderful insight in satisfying your sig campaign commitment, eh?

So sage one, Bitmixer closed up shop because  they were "just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught" you say?

Here's a question that only you can answer: If Bitmixer closed up shop on July 23 and Vinnik of BTC-e was arrested on July 25, thus negating your "wonderful insight", exactly what universe do you call home where the aforementioned is true? Feel free to consult with any of universal buds prior to answering so that you don't flunk this pop quiz.

BTW, nice sig, bud. Is that one of the better paying campaigns currently available?

btc-e's situation started way before that date. And when you are in a business that big, you may gather information way before the others.

See this news?
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-cyber-idUSKBN1A51UZ

It is from 20th July.

Now you know why they decided it on 23rd.

I hope my wonderful insight helped you very much. I wear whatever signature I want! Now Piss Off!

edit:
Accusing me for being a sig spammer even though the service is over and He is wearing a sig himself. What kind of a hypocrite fuck are you?

What a fuckin moron! I don't give a shit if Bitmixer was pissing blood days prior to him having dinner with his pastor who informed him to stop the business. My post was in reference to one aspect ONLY penned by ... wait for it .... you. THIS:

Bitmixer is just too afraid of being jailed after btc-e's admin got caught.

Now scroll back up and reread everything in context, then come back here and apologize to me. Mmmkay?

Accusing me for being a sig spammer even though the service is over and He is wearing a sig himself. What kind of a hypocrite fuck are you?

If you're talkin' 'bout my sig, you're a bigger moron than first thought. Dude, it's my sig because I own the company regardless if the campaign is active or not.

[mindrust]

Now scroll back up and reread everything in context, then come back here and apologize to me. Mmmkay?

I may got confused the events on the time frame but If you wait for an apology, don't keep your hopes too high. I don't apologize to dick heads. in fact, i'll just put you to my ignore list. You can "hee haw" all you want now.

[Gleb Gamow]

Now scroll back up and reread everything in context, then come back here and apologize to me. Mmmkay?

I may got confused the events on the time frame but If you wait for an apologize, don't keep your hopes too high. I don't apologize to dick heads. in fact, i'll just put you to my ignore list. You can "hee haw" all you want now.

NO, WAIT! PLEASE DON'T PUT ME ON IGNORE. I'll do anything. I'll even suck your dick while finguring your ass and even give you a reach around. Please, please reconsider, bud. I'm cool. I'll prove it to you if only give me another chance.   Dude, look, you even made me cry.

[BTCMIXLAB.io]

The government pressure doesn't work like "Oh man please close your service!". No way. They just come and arrest you for illegal activity. We are the privacy experts, it is hard or impossible to find out our location and personality, our servers are located in the country where Bitcoin is not considered as a currency, etc, etc. I could sell the business for our competitors for $5-6M, but I will not do this. It is important that you understand my position. I really revised my view about Bitcoin as a transparent system. Bitcoin has no future with drug/weapon traffic or any other illegal activity. This is my point.

Your competitors will get your business for much cheaper, and as such it's admirable that you stay true to your new found beliefs as you close this chapter of your life with Bitcoin. You could easily take one last pay day with a sale...it's uncharacteristic of "business man" to avoid such an easy arrangement.

Given that you are the self proclaimed "privacy experts", it would be interesting to see how you use that expertise with Bitcoin in a manner that supports your beliefs for what Bitcoin should be used for.

I hope you're not abandoning Bitcoin all together. Good luck to you.

new reliable service coming soon

[European Central Bank]

new reliable service coming soon

your service? you're gonna have to work solidly for several years before enough people trust you.

[InvoKing]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

One of the best services & signature campaign especially after it was cleaned.
I would thanks bitmixer.io and lauda for all the offerts made here.
Good luck in your real life Bitmixer

[Gleb Gamow]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

One of the best services & signature campaign especially after it was cleaned.
I would thanks bitmixer.io and lauda for all the offerts made here.
Good luck in your real life Bitmixer

I give! Short of Googling [Lauda Bitmixer Bitcointalk], what does Lauda have to do with this?

[European Central Bank]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

[Gleb Gamow]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

[InvoKing]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Hey Gleb
Lauda was the manager of the signature campaign and he did a great job kicking the sig spammers which I believe that Bitmixer was the second largest place after yobit (before hilariousandco era  )

[Gleb Gamow]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Hey Gleb
Lauda was the manager of the signature campaign and he did a great job kicking the sig spammers which I believe that Bitmixer was the second largest place after yobit (before hilariousandco era  )

Hey, thanks, bud, for the clarification. I truly wasn't versed in Lauda's role, hoping that he wasn't directly connected to BM, I having no qualms with the dude.

[Quickseller]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Lauda did work for bitmixer up until it closed.

[Gleb Gamow]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Lauda did work for bitmixer up until it closed.

Okay, I need to see some sort of proof for that, will all due respect, bud.

[m4rkiz]

not that i care too much as it is your business and your decision to make - but i think that shutting it down is the worst possible scenario if you really want to accomplish what you said - this void will be filled sooner or latter by someone who will care much less about whiteknighting around - personally i would redirect part or whole income to charities etc. if it make me sleep better - that way bad people that use this or similar service will share some wealth (whether they like or not) with good people 

[Quickseller]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Lauda did work for bitmixer up until it closed.

Okay, I need to see some sort of proof for that, will all due respect, bud.

See this thread (archive). You don't think Lauda ran the signature campaign for free, do you? If you agree he did not run it for free, then he was getting paid, and was well working for them

[deisik]

lauda turned the sig campaign from a bot crazy shitshow to something with some actual quality control.

Okay. I thought for a sec that the poster was alluding to Lauda being part of Bitmixer. Hey, since I'm only working on impulse power at the moment, somebody please confirm that such is not the case.

Lauda did work for bitmixer up until it closed.

Okay, I need to see some sort of proof for that, will all due respect, bud.

It could be said that it was my fault (to a degree)

She (yes, I think this individual is a woman, most likely a post-climacteric one at that or in her early 40's) was hired by the Bitmixer owner after I started a thread in the Meta section about it being campaign managers' responsibility to check the quality of the campaign participants' posts. Bitmixer signature campaign was brought up as an example of a campaign which didn't require a manager at all (i.e. making such checks impossible since users enrolled in the campaign via Bitmixer site and were paid automatically). Then someone wrote to the Bitmixer owner, and he entered the discussion which ended up with Lauda been employed as the campaign manager

[Hyena]

You suck for closing the best mixing service there was but you also rock for not executing an exit scam on this one so thanks for that

edit:
anyone please link some good and easy to use alternatives

[Wei H]

Fell sorry to hear this news but thank you for everything you guy done for good for Bitcoin!

[freebutcaged]

You suck for closing the best mixing service there was but you also rock for not executing an exit scam on this one so thanks for that

edit:
anyone please link some good and easy to use alternatives

Chipmixer.com is one of the viable alternatives so far mate, however there is a new mixer with a similar name Bitmixer.co which is a brand

New mixer in beta phase, you could find the announcement here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2067742.0 but it's not the same

Guy/admin of Bitmixer though. he's accepting investment as well.

[stompix]

You suck for closing the best mixing service there was but you also rock for not executing an exit scam on this one so thanks for that

edit:
anyone please link some good and easy to use alternatives

Chipmixer.com is one of the viable alternatives so far mate, however there is a new mixer with a similar name Bitmixer.co which is a brand

New mixer in beta phase, you could find the announcement here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2067742.0 but it's not the same

Guy/admin of Bitmixer though. he's accepting investment as well.

I don't like this new bitmixer...
Moderated thread, guy who is involved in pushing altcoins after altcoins, 0 trust ratings..
Just grabbing the same name with a different extension is already making it lock shaddy

I would stay away for a while (a few years more or less).

[swedenrt]

yes do we need mixer? not really.

[layoutph]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

[Hyena]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

what you just said disgusts me. you are one disgusting person.

[Gyrsur]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

what you just said disgusts me. you are one disgusting person.

he/she/they don't really understand Bitcoin just as little he/she/they don't understand cash money.

[InvoKing]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

They should close the Switzerland's banks though since they could be used by secret services, washing money, crimes,....
The service is used for mixing and keeping your money secret from others - privacy -, it is not intended to be used for corruption. And like any service it could be used in a negative way.

[stompix]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

They should close the Switzerland's banks though since they could be used by secret services, washing money, crimes,....
The service is used for mixing and keeping your money secret from others - privacy -, it is not intended to be used for corruption. And like any service it could be used in a negative way.

In case you don't know yet, Switzerland is no longer a safe heaven for anybody.
This is why bank accounts in tropical islands are multiplying like wabbits.

The germans did the first move and I don't think the US lagged too much behind in acquiring very bit of info it needed.

[Gleb Gamow]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

They should close the Switzerland's banks though since they could be used by secret services, washing money, crimes,....
The service is used for mixing and keeping your money secret from others - privacy -, it is not intended to be used for corruption. And like any service it could be used in a negative way.

In case you don't know yet, Switzerland is no longer a safe heaven for anybody.
This is why bank accounts in tropical islands are multiplying like wabbits.

The germans did the first move and I don't think the US lagged too much behind in acquiring very bit of info it needed.

Let me know how close I came to nailing it:

[stompix]

Well you pretty much got yourself a wabbit .

[Gleb Gamow]

Well you pretty much got yourself a wabbit .

"And you thought I had brains for shit."

[shield132]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

Not amazing, I will call this very Smart move. Look so much websites were seized, I believe 90% of money on that dark websites were from by using bitmixer. So if they did that and seized so known markets, it would be easy to arrest bitmixer's owner. So this man stopped playing dirty game and end everything. I appreciate this, he is smart because imagine, he destroyed ultra profit machine but he is safe now.
Also this doesn't means anything will change, there will be more mixers, not reputable but people won't have any other choise but to trust some of them.
Bitcoin will be used like it was used already because of it's nature.

[Hyena]

Amazing move mr. Bitmixer! We cannot deny the fact that your service were sometimes used in gamblings, buying illegal substance and crime payments and corruption. Great move there. Hope your competitors would do the same, this would clean the reputation of crypto currency.

Not amazing, I will call this very Smart move. Look so much websites were seized, I believe 90% of money on that dark websites were from by using bitmixer. So if they did that and seized so known markets, it would be easy to arrest bitmixer's owner. So this man stopped playing dirty game and end everything. I appreciate this, he is smart because imagine, he destroyed ultra profit machine but he is safe now.
Also this doesn't means anything will change, there will be more mixers, not reputable but people won't have any other choise but to trust some of them.
Bitcoin will be used like it was used already because of it's nature.

I hope this was the case. Because that's pretty much the only reason I could tolerate. Black Market Reloaded closed their doors similarly. SR got shut down so BMR would have become the next greatest dark market. The admin was smart enough to close the operation gracefully, everyone got their money out from the market and none suffered any damages.

[WillMineForFood]

MHO it's gonna be better now the owner has chossen to stop the services many of the largest company's has been shutdown due to the illegal activitys involded. Is just better to be a millionare without been @jai ! cheers for that !

[TrumpD]

Another one bites the dust, bitmixer.io is legendary in this space, very sad seeing them go. It is better to be safe tan sorry though.

[Casy]

Another one bites the dust, bitmixer.io is legendary in this space, very sad seeing them go. It is better to be safe tan sorry though.

Yeah, but I think it's neither the general problem of bitmixer, nor the problem of bitcoin mixers at all.
Folks using bitcoin as a mean for criminal activity could and will eventually use cryptocurrencies that don't have a public blockchain at all.
For me, bitcoin mixing as such is a way of giving legit users a chance for fulfilling their right of privacy.

[Hyena]

Another one bites the dust, bitmixer.io is legendary in this space, very sad seeing them go. It is better to be safe tan sorry though.

Yeah, but I think it's neither the general problem of bitmixer, nor the problem of bitcoin mixers at all.
Folks using bitcoin as a mean for criminal activity could and will eventually use cryptocurrencies that don't have a public blockchain at all.
For me, bitcoin mixing as such is a way of giving legit users a chance for fulfilling their right of privacy.

Exactly this. For fuck sake Bitcoin transactions are public! They absolutely need mixer services because if you even send your coins to a friend they will easily see how much bitcoins you have left that went to a change address. Blackmailers and ransom software can abuse this to extort more money from their victims. By closing your service you are helping the criminals! Thank god projects such as Byteball are gaining traction. Byteball's blackbytes have even better anonymity than zcash, best anon coin out there. Payments are truly peer-to-peer and only the transaction hash is stored on the public ledger, everything else remains private.

[Gleb Gamow]

Another one bites the dust, bitmixer.io is legendary in this space, very sad seeing them go. It is better to be safe tan sorry though.

Yeah, but I think it's neither the general problem of bitmixer, nor the problem of bitcoin mixers at all.
Folks using bitcoin as a mean for criminal activity could and will eventually use cryptocurrencies that don't have a public blockchain at all.
For me, bitcoin mixing as such is a way of giving legit users a chance for fulfilling their right of privacy.

Exactly this. For fuck sake Bitcoin transactions are public! They absolutely need mixer services because if you even send your coins to a friend they will easily see how much bitcoins you have left that went to a change address. Blackmailers and ransom software can abuse this to extort more money from their victims. By closing your service you are helping the criminals! Thank god projects such as Byteball are gaining traction. Byteball's blackbytes have even better anonymity than zcash, best anon coin out there. Payments are truly peer-to-peer and only the transaction hash is stored on the public ledger, everything else remains private.

 

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls thousands from his pocket and peels off a sawbuck> Here you go, bud.
Friend: Dude, what a fuckin wad! Can I borrow another hundred?

<in normal life>

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls out a bunch of singles and counts to ten> Here you go, bud. Leaves me a tad short, but I'll manage.
Friend: Thanks, man. I'll get this back to you ASAP.

[WillMineForFood]

hahah INdeed Gleb you can't say it better.

[European Central Bank]

By closing your service you are helping the criminals!

the operator's personal freedom is a little more important than the privacy of a bunch of strangers. they owe nothing to no one. their obligations were fulfilled and hopefully they'll live a peaceful life.

[ChipMixer]

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls thousands from his pocket and peels off a sawbuck> Here you go, bud.
Friend: Dude, what a fuckin wad! Can I borrow another hundred?

Tumbling large amount may end the same if you receive large amount at one address.

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls out a bunch of singles and counts to ten> Here you go, bud. Leaves me a tad short, but I'll manage.
Friend: Thanks, man. I'll get this back to you ASAP.

ChipMixer tumbling ends this way. You receive different sizes of chips and your wallet spends the smallest chip. $10 = 3 mBTC. Your friend may see you have spent your 4 mBTC chip.

[Rmcdermott927]

With the most trusted and likely most used mixer gone,  be careful of scams claiming to be able to take their place.   There are already scam Bitcoin mixers out there, do your research.  

[Casy]

By closing your service you are helping the criminals!

the operator's personal freedom is a little more important than the privacy of a bunch of strangers. they owe nothing to no one. their obligations were fulfilled and hopefully they'll live a peaceful life.

I totally agree that it's the operator's free decision to stop his service, if he feels to do so.
However, this doesn't condemn or change the usefulness of bitcoin mixers themselves as an optional privacy enhancement.

[MRNEXCHANGE]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

I have read your post with great interest, and I can see the heavy moral questions that arise from your internal debate. However, is it true that a catalyser to your decision, was in fact a claim made by US law enforcement?

I think Bitcoin gives us the power to decide whether you want to be public about your stake in it or not, and this is quite a primal right every individual should have.

For example, what if a guy from the pizza shop or some taxi driver i just payed with my bitcoin wallet, would know that I hold 10,000 BTC?

How many dangerous situations that would create?
Would I ever be able to use my crypto wallet safely (not from hackers, but from street criminals) again?

[c789]

...
I have read your post with great interest, and I can see the heavy moral questions that arise from your internal debate. However, is it true that a catalyser to your decision, was in fact a claim made by US law enforcement?

I think Bitcoin gives us the power to decide whether you want to be public about your stake in it or not, and this is quite a primal right every individual should have.

For example, what if a guy from the pizza shop or some taxi driver i just payed with my bitcoin wallet, would know that I hold 10,000 BTC?

How many dangerous situations that would create?
Would I ever be able to use my crypto wallet safely (not from hackers, but from street criminals) again?

That's one reason Monero exists. Nobody should have to worry about the clerk they just paid seeing their balance and deciding to pay them a visit later with a crowbar to "pry"out their private key from them. Privacy is good for everyone, not just criminals.

For those who want to go against the advice of the OP (Bitmixer) and still think Bitcoin mixers will make them private, please see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.msg20383605#msg20383605

[Chris!]

Another one bites the dust, bitmixer.io is legendary in this space, very sad seeing them go. It is better to be safe tan sorry though.

Yeah, but I think it's neither the general problem of bitmixer, nor the problem of bitcoin mixers at all.
Folks using bitcoin as a mean for criminal activity could and will eventually use cryptocurrencies that don't have a public blockchain at all.
For me, bitcoin mixing as such is a way of giving legit users a chance for fulfilling their right of privacy.

Exactly this. For fuck sake Bitcoin transactions are public! They absolutely need mixer services because if you even send your coins to a friend they will easily see how much bitcoins you have left that went to a change address. Blackmailers and ransom software can abuse this to extort more money from their victims. By closing your service you are helping the criminals! Thank god projects such as Byteball are gaining traction. Byteball's blackbytes have even better anonymity than zcash, best anon coin out there. Payments are truly peer-to-peer and only the transaction hash is stored on the public ledger, everything else remains private.

 

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls thousands from his pocket and peels off a sawbuck> Here you go, bud.
Friend: Dude, what a fuckin wad! Can I borrow another hundred?

<in normal life>

Friend: Dude, can I borrow ten bucks?
Mr. Money Bags: <pulls out a bunch of singles and counts to ten> Here you go, bud. Leaves me a tad short, but I'll manage.
Friend: Thanks, man. I'll get this back to you ASAP.

Maybe you could *gasp* keep most of your bitcoins in cold storage and only carry around an amount that if you got robbed you wouldn't want to off yourself! Just a thought. I don't carry around thousands in my wallet so why would I with bitcoins?

[c789]

...
Maybe you could *gasp* keep most of your bitcoins in cold storage and only carry around an amount that if you got robbed you wouldn't want to off yourself! Just a thought. I don't carry around thousands in my wallet so why would I with bitcoins?

Even if a person kept most of their holdings in cold storage, I don't believe most people would know how to break the link from the transaction where they sent those funds to cold storage. Given this situation, it wouldn't be difficult to trace such transactions and find out that the person may have only $20 in the address they're currently using, but has thousands in cold storage. Then a bad person could visit them with a $5 crowbar and coax the private key out of them, cold storage or not, encrypted $2,000 computer or not. Eventually they'd give up the password and/or private key.

Privacy is needed in addition to security.

[Gleb Gamow]

Hi all!
Despite the huge profit we earn, we are closing our activity. Let me explain why.

I'm bitcoin enthusiast since 2011. When we started this service I was convinced that any Bitcoin user has a natural right to privacy. I was totally wrong. Now I grasped that Bitcoin is transparent non-anonymous system by design. Blockchain is a great open book. I believe that Bitcoin will have a great future without dark market transactions. You may use Dash or Zerocoin if you want to buy some weed. Not Bitcoin.

I hope our decision will help to make Bitcoin ecosystem more clean and transparent. I hope our competitors will hear our message and will close their services too. Very soon this kind of activity will be considered as illegal in most of countries.

Cheers,
Bitmixer.IO

I have read your post with great interest, and I can see the heavy moral questions that arise from your internal debate. However, is it true that a catalyser to your decision, was in fact a claim made by US law enforcement?

I think Bitcoin gives us the power to decide whether you want to be public about your stake in it or not, and this is quite a primal right every individual should have.

For example, what if a guy from the pizza shop or some taxi driver i just payed with my bitcoin wallet, would know that I hold 10,000 BTC?

How many dangerous situations that would create?
Would I ever be able to use my crypto wallet safely (not from hackers, but from street criminals) again?

Let's play retard advocate.

Let's say I just purchased a thousand dollars worth of bitcoins for the very first time, the transaction conducted via Coinbase.

Coinbase sent me a thousand dollars worth of bitcoins from a wallet address depicting a current balance of millions of dollars worth or bitcoins.

A nefarious actor is made aware of a bitcoin payment I made to a taxi driver, pizza dude, etc. The street criminal does one of the following: Assumes I own the millions of dollars of bitcoins so tries to rob me; is astute enough to know that those millions aren't mine but belongs to Coinbase so I'm left alone; opts to rob some little old lady's purse because it's easier, safely assuming that the bills obtained from within didn't have their serial numbers registered and kept in her underwear drawer hidden in the left cup of a vintage brasier she worn to a prom forty years ago with her brother Hugo.

[BITMIXER.IO]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

[Gleb Gamow]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Translated: My pastor told me that killing people for hire is wrong, so I'm ending that practice. That said, after deep investigation I'm recommending somebody else more than enough qualified to kill on your behalf if needing extra privacy.

To be fair, my pastor told me that fucking ducks in public is wrong, hence ending the practice. I now fuck ducks in private, filming the duck fuckings, then uploading the vids online where I'm paid X amount per 1,000 views thanks to pervs who enjoy my vids.

[Hyena]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation.

[MRNEXCHANGE]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Good point, indeed Monero has many technological advantages over other vague Altcoins, not only in Privacy (especially since it was proven that the Monero private tx ids could be easily reversed engineered: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/338.pdf), but also since it was one of the first coins to introduce innovations such as dynamic block size, which improves the perspective for long term scaling, which I reckon, is the most important part about cryptocurrency.
Since, as Andreas M. Antonopoulos said (here's a nice video of him making a point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEOKDVXlUo&t=1s), we are now only approaching the verge of the dawn of the era of blockchain and cryptocurrency.

However, I would like to note, that by default, any crypto to crypto exchange transaction using an exchange service (which has a properly configured combination of hot and cold wallets) will equally conceal the public key (wallet ID) from which the funds were sent.

[whap]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation.

Lol. Naming monero and dash in the same phrase shows how clueless you are about what you're talking. And that from a legendary tsts 

[Hyena]

Lol. Naming monero and dash in the same phrase shows how clueless you are about what you're talking. And that from a legendary tsts 

Lol. getting butthurt over such criticism in the same phrase shows how clueless you are about what you're talking. And that from a noob user makes perfect sense tsts

[ChipMixer]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Translated: My pastor told me that killing people for hire is wrong, so I'm ending that practice. That said, after deep investigation I'm recommending somebody else more than enough qualified to kill on your behalf if needing extra privacy.

Very nice.

It is interesting that BitMixer retired but they are still reading this thread.

[Gleb Gamow]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Good point, indeed Monero has many technological advantages over other vague Altcoins, not only in Privacy (especially since it was proven that the Monero private tx ids could be easily reversed engineered: https://eprint.iacr.org/2017/338.pdf), but also since it was one of the first coins to introduce innovations such as dynamic block size, which improves the perspective for long term scaling, which I reckon, is the most important part about cryptocurrency.
Since, as Andreas M. Antonopoulos said (here's a nice video of him making a point https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMEOKDVXlUo&t=1s), we are now only approaching the verge of the dawn of the era of blockchain and cryptocurrency.

However, I would like to note, that by default, any crypto to crypto exchange transaction using an exchange service (which has a properly configured combination of hot and cold wallets) will equally conceal the public key (wallet ID) from which the funds were sent.

Did your mother help you pen that post or did you receive help from the Flying Word Spaghetti Monster?

"Due to KYC et al. laws, the author of this book is revealed.
Don't forget to bring a towel when eating spaghetti."

[shield132]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Translated: My pastor told me that killing people for hire is wrong, so I'm ending that practice. That said, after deep investigation I'm recommending somebody else more than enough qualified to kill on your behalf if needing extra privacy.

Very nice.

It is interesting that BitMixer retired but they are still reading this thread.

I appreciate that, despite the fact that they closed their service, bitmixer (account owner or team) did a research and posted their opinion about best currency for high privacy. But still bitcoin is used for almost everything and monero can't take it's place even on dark..
Also am I wrong or did Monero had signature campaign last year? Please anyone answer me.

Gleb Gamow
Being polite is nicer in society than being rude

[c789]

...
Also am I wrong or did Monero had signature campaign last year? Please anyone answer me.

As far as I know, Monero has never had a signature campaign. Many in the Monero community dislike marketing.

[Tipstar]

...
Also am I wrong or did Monero had signature campaign last year? Please anyone answer me.

As far as I know, Monero has never had a signature campaign. Many in the Monero community dislike marketing.

Monero is neither a token nor was it premined.
It's totally a POW coin so who and why would they host a signature campaign?
And for anonymity, depends mostly on the way user uses the coin.

[Gleb Gamow]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Translated: My pastor told me that killing people for hire is wrong, so I'm ending that practice. That said, after deep investigation I'm recommending somebody else more than enough qualified to kill on your behalf if needing extra privacy.

Very nice.

It is interesting that BitMixer retired but they are still reading this thread.

I appreciate that, despite the fact that they closed their service, bitmixer (account owner or team) did a research and posted their opinion about best currency for high privacy. But still bitcoin is used for almost everything and monero can't take it's place even on dark..
Also am I wrong or did Monero had signature campaign last year? Please anyone answer me.

Gleb Gamow
Being polite is more nice in society than being rude

Wait, I can't be rude to newbies who don't have a fuckin clue as to what they're saying? Dude, you just ruined my day! 

[noise2]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation.

lol. How does it follow that they can only be private if they're massively adopted? How do you even measure that?

Dash shit but Monero  is not. Please stop talking out of your ass.

[deisik]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation

Well, I'm in no way technically familiar with either coin

Though I agree in general that Dash is mostly trash. Regarding Monero in particular, there can be some sense behind BITMIXER.IO's words. In fact, he didn't say that this coin is the best possible currency out there in terms of privacy. I agree that Monero might become more "private" once (if) it gets wider adoption, but this doesn't in the least mean that there are currencies with (fundamentally) better privacy. Anyway, the burden is on you to name any such currency if you claim that Monero sucks at providing genuine anonymity to its users

[fr4nkthetank]

Well how about DeepOnion, the wallet is connected over TOR and your IP is hidden.  Sounds like a winner to me

[BitcoinNewsMagazine]

@Hyena have you ever even taken the time to look at the typical Monero transaction in a Monero block explorer? Take a look to see what information you can uncover about senders. Nada. True IPs are not completely hidden yet (logs) but that is coming with I2P integration in Kovri; meantime users can use a VPN or Tor. For users who want anonymity there is no better option than Monero ATM. The OP was right in recommending Monero.

[TryNinja]

Well how about DeepOnion, the wallet is connected over TOR and your IP is hidden.  Sounds like a winner to me

Sounds like another premined shitcoin made to get dumped in the market by their dev.

Nothing new about that actually

[Gleb Gamow]

Well how about DeepOnion, the wallet is connected over TOR and your IP is hidden.  Sounds like a winner to me

Sounds like another premined shitcoin made to get dumped in the market by their dev.

Nothing new about that actually

I'm gonna create DeepOrange. Unlike an onion where you keep peeling the layers, with Orange you peel it once and throw it away. With Orange, nobody sees your IP except the NSA through the peepholes they installed on the pipes which they maintain.

The following is the closest thing you'll get to perfect privacy:

"Nobody around for hundreds of miles. McLovin' it!"

"We even have recordings of a Bob in the middle of the wilderness
fucking a dead moose he named Alice."

[pikebu]

Well how about DeepOnion, the wallet is connected over TOR and your IP is hidden.  Sounds like a winner to me

It is good solution for stay anonymous in digital coins, the other way is use other bitcoins mixing services https://[banned mixer]/
It is still working secure, fast, reliable and huge volume of mixing bitcoins, You get a discount on service fee when you use CryptoMixer regularly. More you mix less you pay.

[TryNinja]

It is good solution for stay anonymous in digital coins, the other way is use other bitcoins mixing services https://[banned mixer]/
It is still working secure, fast, reliable and huge volume of mixing bitcoins, You get a discount on service fee when you use CryptoMixer regularly. More you mix less you pay.

This means that CryptoMixer keeps logs and may link multiple transactions to a person, right? How is that a good practice for a mixer?

Or how else would they know that you are a loyal costumer and already mixed more than 50 BTC?

[Gleb Gamow]

It is good solution for stay anonymous in digital coins, the other way is use other bitcoins mixing services https://[banned mixer]/
It is still working secure, fast, reliable and huge volume of mixing bitcoins, You get a discount on service fee when you use CryptoMixer regularly. More you mix less you pay.

This means that CryptoMixer keeps logs and may link multiple transactions to a person, right? How is that a good practice for a mixer?

Or how else would they know that you are a loyal costumer and already mixed more than 50 BTC?

Nice fuckin catch, bud! The last time I brought up a similar concern, a few days later the entity - <cough> ... BitMixer ... <cough> - closed up shop.

See if the following is similar:

<playin' devil's advocate; not critical of service but seek answers>

https://bitmixer.io/faqs.html

What is a Bitmixer code?

After your first exchange you will receive a special Bitmixer code. This code makes sure that you will never receive any of the previous coins you have added to our reserves in any subsequent transactions you make with Bitmixer. In other words this ensures that you remain untraceable.

Day 1: I mixed U$100 worth of bitcoins and received a Bitmixer code so that when I mix subsequent coins I won't received what I previously mixed back. Fine!

48 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two days prior. Fine!

36 Hours Later: I mixed another U$100 worth of bitcoins and received bitcoins back which none were of what I've mixed two transactions prior. Fine!

Question: How were the last two transactions achieved given the following? ...

http://themerkle.com/news/interview-with-the-owner-of-bitmixer-io-a-high-volume-bitcoin-mixer/

Our servers are located in a country where US authorities can’t get access to the server without a local court order. Bitcoin is not considered as money here, so we can’t be a money-laundering service. We use encrypted disks. We delete all order data after 24 hours. We completely erase old bitcoin addresses from our wallet after coins are sent out. Even if the server is seized, they will find nothing.

Clearly, my Bitmixer code remains on file attached to bitcoin wallet addresses I've previously used, else there would be a strong possibility of me receiving some of the coins back that I may not want attached to me, but that would be an impossibility given that ALL order data is purged from your system within 24 hours, as stated above, resulting in the 3-LAs et al. finding nothing.

Further, I'll be paying you a fee to mix coins stemming from a nefarious act with the strong possibility that I'll be receiving coins stemming from a nefarious act tens of times worst than what I'm tryin' to hide. Surely, wouldn't that bring the feds to my door a knockin' a helluva lot quicker? It'll be pretty embarrassing for me to defend myself if accused of running a underage goat brothel when in fact I ONLY pimp out adult chickens and occasionally a matured goose (soon to pimp ducks - drakes and hens).

Humor aside, I look forward to your reply, devs.

Bruno

Now we have (paraphrased) ...

"There are no transactions keep on our servers. Plus, you receive a bonus - the more you mix, the less you pay. Yes, we keep records so that nobody games the system."

"I'm the manager over all the crypto mixing entities.
What's your position? Darknet crypto-based companies?"

[Hyena]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation

Well, I'm in no way technically familiar with either coin

Though I agree in general that Dash is mostly trash. Regarding Monero in particular, there can be some sense behind BITMIXER.IO's words. In fact, he didn't say that this coin is the best possible currency out there in terms of privacy. I agree that Monero might become more "private" once (if) it gets wider adoption, but this doesn't in the least mean that there are currencies with (fundamentally) better privacy. Anyway, the burden is on you to name any such currency if you claim that Monero sucks at providing genuine anonymity to its users

I am so glad you asked 

Enter Byteball's Blackbytes

Blackbytes are defined as a private asset, meaning its never posted to the public Byteball database, it is ever only transferred when Byteball wallets have paired, private assets are sent encrypted through the Byteball network from device address to device address. When used over Tor, blackbytes become anonymous, and only the device-address can be known to the Byteball network.

To verify that a peer has not sent the same blackbyte to another peer before attempting to trick you into accepting it again, a spend-proof is posted to the public Byteball database. Upon receiving the blackbyte your full-wallet/light-wallet-hub provider, checks the spend-proof. The spend-proof does not contain amounts or sender/receiver information, it is merely a signature.

Now this I call a truly anonymous cryptocurrency, far better than Monero or any other block chain based altcoin. Just like with cash you are paying peer to peer (not peer-to-public-ledger-to-peer). I can truly trust blackbytes because nothing about the payment details is stored on a public ledger. Third parties would be completely unable to do any sort of "chain analysis" and data mining to reveal the transacting parties.

[johhnyUA]

So, does anyone know some good and trustworth mixers?

[c789]

So, does anyone know some good and trustworth mixers?

Please read the very first post, made by the former Bitmixer.io admin, and then see his latest update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.msg21113378#msg21113378

[TryNinja]

So, does anyone know some good and trustworth mixers?

ChipMixer. I may be biased because of my signature, but you should take a time to read the ANN thread and understand their concept and why they are the best mixer in the market at the moment.

ChipMixer creates Bitcoin addresses (chips) and funds them with specific sizes. There are chips with 0.001 BTC, 0.002 BTC, 0.004 BTC and so on till 4.096 BTC. When you deposit your Bitcoins, you receive same amount in chips. For example you deposit 0.112 BTC and you receive 0.064 + 0.032 + 0.016. Each chip was funded before your deposit, so there is no link between them and your deposit on blockchain. They are already anonymous. With each chip, you receive its private key, so you can spend them any time you want.

[ANN] ChipMixer - mixing reinvented - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.0

[johhnyUA]

So, does anyone know some good and trustworth mixers?

Please read the very first post, made by the former Bitmixer.io admin, and then see his latest update: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2042470.msg21113378#msg21113378

Please don't write anything if you don't have any usefull answer. Ok?
i asked about Bitcoin mixer . Are you blind?

ChipMixer. I may be biased because of my signature, but you should take a time to read the ANN thread and understand their concept and why they are the best mixer in the market at the moment.

Ok, i'll read about it. Thank you.

[Casy]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

Monero is bullshit. Dash is also bullshit. They are effectively scamcoins in a sense that they boast about having privacy while in reality they have weak privacy. They should not be advertised as good for privacy because their privacy is directly derived from the assumption that they are massively adopted and the most dominant crypto out there. Here's a reality check. Are they massively adopted and most dominant cryptos? No they are not. Hence, their privacy, which depends on their adoption, is badly lacking. They are not anonymous. So please, stop spreading misinformation.

I also want to underline this often overlooked, but crucial aspect here:
If I would invest in a cryptocurrency, then there is the technology on the one hand, but on the other hand, a big factor is adoption and market coverage.
Think of how long it took for bitcoin to gain enough public attention for a significant global adoption to follow. Now, bitcoin has proven to be a technology that is capable of handling value transfer in a safe manner. We should keep this momentum and continue it, and do not split up in thousands of other currencies, because that will cause uncertainty and an overall disinterest in cryptocurrencies.

Another point is daily use:
If I have to go through the hassles of converting to another crypto (Monero, whatever) and converting back to bitcoin, just because the bank account exchange service only pays out bitcoins and the online shop where I want to buy something also accepts only bitcoins, then it's just too cumbersome to be done by a typical user (not talking about the fees that have to be payed for each conversion to another currency).

Bitcoin Mixers are just a super awesome hassle-free way of a bitcoin in -> bitcoin out transaction that are ready for productive, fast and easy use. Combined with a bit of understanding of the blockchain technology, perfect privacy is possible.

[imtav]

I pay for a VPN with mixed bitcoins, to protect my identity because I believe in online privacy.

For some purchases I make in brick and mortar stores, I make a point of using cash and not debit or credit.  Like when I buy sex toys for myself.  Oh, does that make you uncomfortable to hear? Well, it's uncomfortable for me to say, which is why I want to make the purchase anonymously!  I don;t need that showing up on my monthly statements.

You ran a business, and decided to close up shop.  Who am I to judge you for your personal choices?  Likewise, who are you to judge your users?  I'm not phased in the least by your decision, I'll find a competitor.  But for you to get all preachy in the process?  Go fuck yourself.  With some sex toys you buy with your wife's credit card.

[Gleb Gamow]

I pay for a VPN with mixed bitcoins, to protect my identity because I believe in online privacy.

For some purchases I make in brick and mortar stores, I make a point of using cash and not debit or credit.  Like when I buy sex toys for myself.  Oh, does that make you uncomfortable to hear? Well, it's uncomfortable for me to say, which is why I want to make the purchase anonymously!  I don;t need that showing up on my monthly statements.

You ran a business, and decided to close up shop.  Who am I to judge you for your personal choices?  Likewise, who are you to judge your users?  I'm not phased in the least by your decision, I'll find a competitor.  But for you to get all preachy in the process?  Go fuck yourself.  With some sex toys you buy with your wife's credit card.

The ONLY thing I don't like about this post is that there were no pics of sex toys in use, else bravo!

[BurtW]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

After a much deeper investigation I believe that BLACKBYTES is the best privacy currency.  So I strongly recommend BLACKBYTES for all people who desire true privacy.

[BitHodler]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

After a much deeper investigation I believe that BLACKBYTES is the best privacy currency.  So I strongly recommend BLACKBYTES for all people who desire true privacy.

Benefit of Monero is that this by default is a privacy centric asset, which can't really be said about Byteball, and in the background, BlackBytes.

If people want to remain 'fully' anonymous with BlackBytes in terms of trading, or just to unload these coins, everything needs to be done through decentralized exchanges, which isn't an issue for Monero.

I like the convenience that Monero is offering in comparison to BlackBytes ~ no extra steps are needed to obtain the privacy people are looking for. Out of interest, what makes you think it's the best privacy tool?

[BurtW]

After the deep investigation I confirm that MONERO is the best privacy currency. So I strongly recommend MONERO for all people who need extra privacy.

After a much deeper investigation I believe that BLACKBYTES is the best privacy currency.  So I strongly recommend BLACKBYTES for all people who desire true privacy.

Benefit of Monero is that this by default is a privacy centric asset, which can't really be said about Byteball, and in the background, BlackBytes.

If people want to remain 'fully' anonymous with BlackBytes in terms of trading, or just to unload these coins, everything needs to be done through decentralized exchanges, which isn't an issue for Monero.

I like the convenience that Monero is offering in comparison to BlackBytes ~ no extra steps are needed to obtain the privacy people are looking for. Out of interest, what makes you think it's the best privacy tool?

You said it yourself "with BlackBytes ... everything needs to be done through decentralized exchanges".  The design basically requires decentralized exchanges and makes a centralized exchange very hard or impossible to do.  With blackbytes there is no public ledger so there is no public record of any transactions.  My statement was not about convenience.  It was about privacy.  If you want convenience then you use Bitcoin.  If you want privacy use blackbytes.  If you want less convenience than Bitcoin and less privacy than blackbytes use Monero.

[c789]

Blackbytes has pretty good privacy but it's not as good as Monero's: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4642/how-is-monero-different-from-byteball-with-being-anonymous

[Hyena]

Blackbytes has pretty good privacy but it's not as good as Monero's: https://monero.stackexchange.com/questions/4642/how-is-monero-different-from-byteball-with-being-anonymous

Monero is block chain based public ledger. Anything that is public is bad for privacy. Also in the case of Monero everyone gets to see everyone's TXs. Blackbytes on the other hand are fully private so no 3rd party is able to analyze the TXs. The fatal flaw of Monero's security is the fact that all their TXs are stored on a public ledger for anyone to analyze. This is made even worse by the fact that Monero has no adoption and a large amount of conspiring nodes can reveal the identities of the transacting parties. Blackbyte TX histories are only stored by the transacting parties which makes blackbytes superior to Monero in security and privacy. Also blackbytes don't generate bloat on the public database while all block chain based tokens (anonymous or not) waste everyone's disk space.

[c789]

Monero is block chain based public ledger...

Monero has a blockchain which anyone can view. But that doesn't mean that you can see what happens inside of it, so to call it "public" is misleading since any details about the blockchain are private. Nobody can see account balances or transaction activity. To call it public is like saying that I know everything that's in a house because I can see the house from the street, even though I can see nothing inside of it.

Here's my address if anyone wants to try and trace any of my payments, or see my balance:

45LzbfAbx2zDTEVYDkCYuwVv1KnoaLHPC4svVE4VWECLYhGWzM63MDmTPZi7GjvFSRd3GnmsAGSfzcR pHELi7Cay3V7Juk6

As I put in my link in the previous post to StackExchange, there are additional steps one must take in order to use Blackbytes and that opens them to risk. With Monero, privacy is by default.

[Hyena]

Monero is block chain based public ledger...

Monero has a blockchain which anyone can view. But that doesn't mean that you can see what happens inside of it, so to call it "public" is misleading since any details about the blockchain are private. Nobody can see account balances or transaction activity. To call it public is like saying that I know everything that's in a house because I can see the house from the street, even though I can see nothing inside of it.

Here's my address if anyone wants to try and trace any of my payments, or see my balance:

45LzbfAbx2zDTEVYDkCYuwVv1KnoaLHPC4svVE4VWECLYhGWzM63MDmTPZi7GjvFSRd3GnmsAGSfzcR pHELi7Cay3V7Juk6

As I put in my link in the previous post to StackExchange, there are additional steps one must take in order to use Blackbytes and that opens them to risk. With Monero, privacy is by default.

One can analyze any public ledger very easily, for years if needed. That's the fatal flaw of Monero's privacy. Given the big enough incentive you will be stripped of your privacy without question. It's rather silly of you to challenge anyone to try tracing your payments because there is not enough incentive to do so in the first place, so obviously no one is going to bother. The Monero's network is itself the central point of failure for its privacy. In the case of blackbytes, on the other hand, your privacy will be well preserved and out of the reach of any 3rd party analysis on the ledger. To have the absolute anonymity one could avoid all centralized exchanges and only do business peer-to-peer, because in that case there is no better anonymity out there to outcompete blackbytes. Monero will be abandoned because it is too late for it to switch to a DAG. All block chain based curriencies are doomed to fail except perhaps Bitcoin due to its first-mover advantage.

[NxtChg]

The first Bitcoin Cash coin mixer:

https://coinmix.to

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zmudg/the_first_bitcoin_cash_coin_mixer_coinmixto_has/

[Gleb Gamow]

The first Bitcoin Cash coin mixer:

https://coinmix.to

Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zmudg/the_first_bitcoin_cash_coin_mixer_coinmixto_has/

Sure, I will use the mixer after you answer the questions/concerns you have evaded (about you and your projects) in the main bitcointalk thread or reddit:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146860.msg21506033#msg21506033
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2146860.msg21530527#msg21530527
https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6xn6xg/the_first_bitcoin_cash_coin_mixer_beta/dmjn84z
https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6xn6xg/the_first_bitcoin_cash_coin_mixer_beta/dml3x2x
https://np.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6zmudg/the_first_bitcoin_cash_coin_mixer_coinmixto_has/dmwgwdk

I will gladly pay you one satoshi for all the BitConnect tokens you have if can detect what is wrong with the following image (don't peak at the second image acting as a clue):

https://coinmix.to/

Again, don't peak at the clue below:

I think Mr. Damn it Jim, I'm a programmer, Not Some Acronym Dude needs to update his site.

<three wink smiley thingies goes go here>

EDIT: go, not goes - Speakin' of Grammar Nazis, did you see/read about some dude getting banned off YouTube because he taught his dog how to do the Hitler salute?

"That's some crazy shit! Just as crazy as me winning a lawsuit,
now owning the rights to this selfie I took of myself."

"Ten bucks for takin' my pic; twenty for a blowjob; sorry, no handjobs."

"Human, shit just got real!"

[NxtChg]

I will gladly pay you one satoshi for all the BitConnect tokens you have if can detect what is wrong with the following image (don't peak at the second image acting as a clue):

Good thing I had the window open, otherwise I would have suffocated from all the sarcasm...

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6z0xso/why_bcc_should_be_the_ticker/

Cryptoland is decentralized. Everyone does what they consider best and it all sorta finds its way in the end.

[Gleb Gamow]

I will gladly pay you one satoshi for all the BitConnect tokens you have if can detect what is wrong with the following image (don't peak at the second image acting as a clue):

Good thing I had the window open, otherwise I would have suffocated from all the sarcasm...

https://www.reddit.com/r/btc/comments/6z0xso/why_bcc_should_be_the_ticker/

Cryptoland is decentralized. Everyone does what they consider best and it all sorta finds its way in the end.

Holy shit, Batman! Captain Sarcasm is back:

BitConnect Coin, the fastest growing cryptocurrency of all times has been trading under the symbol BCC since day one. Among the top 15 cryptocurrencies in terms of market capitalization, BitConnect Coin points out the branding issue with Bitcoin Cash and the confusion the new altcoin will create if certain exchanges decide to list it as BCC.

Genius! Bitcoin Cash is considering prying away the ticker symbol from a nefarious actor that's been attached to it for some time.

What's ironic is that BitConnect is concerned about its brand if BCC were clawed away. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that more Investards would accidently gravitate toward BitConnect if Bitcoin Cash is successful in their attempt. Likewise, Bitcoin Cash would experience inevitable fallout while waiting for the stigmatism to wane, however long that may take.

[NxtChg]

Holy shit, Batman! Captain Sarcasm is back:

You have to focus, Robin. We can't save them all. Some are gonna die.

[Gleb Gamow]

Holy shit, Batman! Captain Sarcasm is back:

You have to focus, Robin. We can't save them all. Some are gonna die.

Robin: I wanna be Iron Man so badly! Then I could save them all.

[InvoKing]

Hey ladies, gentlemen and Bruno
Could you please move your side discussion elsewhere since it is out topic and the debate will remain unresolved such as the pro be(a)st president and his haters discussions.
Thanks
-Love- 

[Gleb Gamow]

Hey ladies, gentlemen and Bruno
Could you please move your side discussion elsewhere since it is out topic and the debate will remain unresolved such as the pro be(a)st president and his haters discussions.
Thanks
-Love- 

By bad! I forgot that it's because of my investigation causin' the site to go dark a few days later. Now you're stoppin' me in my tracks to make bank right when I was goin' to start buskin' via beatin' off a dead horse. 

[Hyena]

BCC = Bitcoin Cash as of now, in the future it will change to BTC
BitConnect = scam

[NxtChg]

BCC = Bitcoin Cash as of now, in the future it will change to BTC
BitConnect = scam

That's the spirit!

[Gleb Gamow]

BCC = Bitcoin Cash as of now, in the future it will change to BTC
BitConnect = scam

Obviously, nobody received the memo. 

https://coinmarketcap.com/all/views/all/

[DigiCodes]

So, besides the two queers on this thread, who obviously have raging boners for one another, going back and forth in this thread about nonsense.

What is the best alternative to bitmixer.io?

Has anyone found any possible law enforcement connection with the closing of bitmixer?

[TryNinja]

What is the best alternative to bitmixer.io?

Have you checked ChipMixer already? *mandatory "i may be biased because of my signature" but I truly like the way they work*

What makes ChipMixer special?

ChipMixer creates Bitcoin addresses (chips) and funds them with specific sizes. There are chips with 0.001 BTC, 0.002 BTC, 0.004 BTC and so on till 4.096 BTC. When you deposit your Bitcoins, you receive same amount in chips. For example you deposit 0.112 BTC and you receive 0.064 + 0.032 + 0.016. Each chip was funded before your deposit, so there is no link between them and your deposit on blockchain. They are already anonymous. With each chip, you receive its private key, so you can spend them any time you want.

ANN thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1935098.0

Has anyone found any possible law enforcement connection with the closing of bitmixer?

I dont think so.

[Gleb Gamow]

So, besides the two queers on this thread, who obviously have raging boners for one another, going back and forth in this thread about nonsense.

What is the best alternative to bitmixer.io?

Has anyone found any possible law enforcement connection with the closing of bitmixer?

One of the queers checking in to remind yous that it's mostly likely my lines of questioning which caused BitMixer to go dark.

[PrivCoin]

So, besides the two queers on this thread, who obviously have raging boners for one another, going back and forth in this thread about nonsense.

What is the best alternative to bitmixer.io?

Has anyone found any possible law enforcement connection with the closing of bitmixer?

https://www.privcoin.io to mix any type of coin, your one stop shop.

Disclaimer, I'm clearly part of its operation. We are also operating out of a country that does not consider crypto coins to be money and is therefore legal as explicitly described by our lawyers.

[Gleb Gamow]

So, besides the two queers on this thread, who obviously have raging boners for one another, going back and forth in this thread about nonsense.

What is the best alternative to bitmixer.io?

Has anyone found any possible law enforcement connection with the closing of bitmixer?

https://www.privcoin.io to mix any type of coin, your one stop shop.

Disclaimer, I'm clearly part of its operation. We are also operating out of a country that does not consider crypto coins to be money and is therefore legal as explicitly described by our lawyers.

"Homies, let me in on some of this action. Introducing ... wait for it ...
SirMixALot.io: We's haz your back!"

[SM23031997]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2165755.msg21840497#msg21840497

Either he is stealing your work or you just sold your site to someone or relaunched with a new name.
Take a look at the link.

[murtezza]

LOl this guy is just a joke :D
i m sure he is seized or they are blacklisted by LE

[Red John]

Congrats on your decision, it is really very hard one. I'm impressed

[Gleb Gamow]

Bump to see if there's any new news and to let yous know that a user opted to give me sM as thanks for my posting prowess. 

[Hyena]

Just wanted to announce that coinmix.to is really good mixer! I'm very happy with it.

[shield132]

Just wanted to announce that coinmix.to is really good mixer! I'm very happy with it.

And what it has to do with Bitmixer?

Gleb Gamow
News is always new
Btw owner of bitmixer sits now in a warm chair and has a great day in his life, has a lot of money + currently everything is ok for him but I think what will happen to him in future, will he get "leaked"? His mixer was used in darknets and was one of the most popular, he mixed 1 million bitcoin in one year.

[Hyena]

Just wanted to announce that coinmix.to is really good mixer! I'm very happy with it.

And what it has to do with Bitmixer?

Bitmixer closed its doors didn't it? so obviously people are interested in replacements, so it has to do with this topic quite a lot

[ccoons]

Just wanted to announce that coinmix.to is really good mixer! I'm very happy with it.

And what it has to do with Bitmixer?

Bitmixer closed its doors didn't it? so obviously people are interested in replacements, so it has to do with this topic quite a lot

Yes, that's true. Still can't understand why they closed such a good service.
I'm still forgetting that sometimes and type bitmixer when going to google.
Used Grams/Helix and FoxMixer for coin mixing so far, all worked fine there as well.

[WaffleMaster]

Honestly it was really smart to get out of the way before the laws and countries inevitably count this type of activity as money laundering. They hunt down dark markets like crazy these days, and it will only get worse. Doesn't mean you can't be safe, but it means you'll have to be more careful like Bitmixer getting out in front of it before it really is a bad problem.

[digaran]

Yes, that's true. Still can't understand why they closed such a good service.

Read the OP before posting scams.

[ccoons]

Honestly it was really smart to get out of the way before the laws and countries inevitably count this type of activity as money laundering. They hunt down dark markets like crazy these days, and it will only get worse. Doesn't mean you can't be safe, but it means you'll have to be more careful like Bitmixer getting out in front of it before it really is a bad problem.

Let's hope it is like that. I have a feeling that the wave the shutdown made through the media actually increased the public awareness of it, making it even worse.
But yes, I agree that privacy is harder to achieve these days.