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September 17, 2017, 03:04:49 PM
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so guys, who will explain me about this activity? there is 0.5 1 and more. it this given for writing in this topic or retwitting on twitter?
cause i didnt find explanation for this in this topic, hope someone will tell me, thx


0.5 is for the people that signed up for the airdrop and then idled and didn't vote, 1 is for the people that voted and stayed active, I'm not quite sure what makes you 1.5


You can find what you are looking for below. I also explained a few posts up how they are increased.





🗝 How many TAO can I get?



{(3,000,000 TAO / (ΔTotal * Δrank)) * (Δactivity + boni)}

Where Δ = Founding Member



Bitcointalk Ranks:

Rank = Newbie 2, Junior 1.75, Member 1.5, Full Member 1, Senior Member 0.9, Hero 0.8, Legendary 0.7
// Decreasing numbers: higher reward in TAO


Movement Activity:

Activity = Idler 0.5, Mover 1, Contributor 1.75, Ambassador 2, Developer 3
// Increasing numbers: higher reward in TAO




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September 17, 2017, 03:49:34 PM
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I was thinking of something...
Shouldn't we stack all the -70% guys who haven't voted yet at the end of the spreadsheet?

So active participant can get the good slots in the airdrop and TAO will be distributed to people that are active to the community?

The place in the spreadsheet don't affect to the amount of tokens. So there are no good or bad slots.

I see what you mean by good slots. Assuming consensus is reached and top 300 are to be giving bonus, then those would be termed 'good spots' but it would still be unfair to the -70% participants who currently fill those positions because they infact are early birds. -70% is sufficient deduction.

You got it right at translating what i was meaning by good spots.

I counted 192 participant flagged with -70% in the 566 first places. this is not reporting to all participant below that # because the spreadsheet hasn't been updated past this point.

I still don't get the point for these nearly 200 people who urge to apply as an early bird to a DAO that is governed by themselves but won't vote at the 2 first mandatory votes in said DAO history.

I believe the Movement rewards activity and participation. In the future we all will have to vote to make the DAO alive and active. What's the point in giving extra rewards to people that won't participate? Locking up TAO instead of giving them to people who will use them to fuel the Movement?

I don't speak about that to penalize more those who didn't vote (they are nearly 75 in the 200 first spots that's a lot even for early birds...) i believe -70% is a fair penalty for them but what about those who came just after them, who participates, being active and contributing and won't earn extra TAO for their actvity because the early spots are full of true idlers. (idlers who have voted are not concerned...)

I am at #452 for now... i am not talking about all of this to get a better spot... i really don't mind but i find it unfair for active people of the community that won't be rewarded because some lazy peeps just took the place 1st and is doing absolutely nothing...






I totally agree with you. I was quite sure this was obvious. It's better to give a reward to the active members rather than lazy members or to the active newcomers as a bounty, but we have not to forget that we set up a vote about that and it needs that the most agree. Important is that all is legit.

Maybe I'm missing something, but active members are rewarded by increasing their activity levels. If you check the OP example which I will post below, a very active newbie member can earn almost 2x  more than a junior member.
compare an idle newbie to a contributor newbie.. the idle one gets only 10% of what the active one does:

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This Junior Participant's Activity has been rated as a Mover (1) for being active on Bitcointalk:

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 1.75)) * (1) =  ~1714 TAO




The below Participant signed up as a Newbie and idled, never participated in any Vote:

For the latter, minus 70% Activity Penalty is applied as follows.

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 2)) * (0.5 - 70%)  =  ~225 TAO



The below Newbie Participant became a Contributor by participating in Translation work on the website. What would he get?

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 2)) * (1.75) =  ~2625 TAO


However, going forward I believe after the airdrop, the community can decide how we distribute TAO based on activity. This will be done by the community. Most likely those inactive members will dump their tokens (which aren't going to be much in the first place as seen above.)

I completly agree that the idlers shouldnt be rewarded with early bird bonus... I think we should find a consensus for the vote ( excluding these idlers ) and then vote all together to finish vote 2...

I would propose something like:

30% for first 100 ( excluding idlers from the list )
20% from 100 to 300 ( excluding idlers from the list )
10% from 300 to 700 ( excluding idlers from the list )

of course this is just an idea feel free to change the values, has long has we reach a consensus quickly...

Edit Instead of removing the idlers form the list we could just move them down spots so they get concentrated at the bottom 10% reward ( just a thought )
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September 17, 2017, 05:02:35 PM
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I was thinking of something...
Shouldn't we stack all the -70% guys who haven't voted yet at the end of the spreadsheet?

So active participant can get the good slots in the airdrop and TAO will be distributed to people that are active to the community?

The place in the spreadsheet don't affect to the amount of tokens. So there are no good or bad slots.

I see what you mean by good slots. Assuming consensus is reached and top 300 are to be giving bonus, then those would be termed 'good spots' but it would still be unfair to the -70% participants who currently fill those positions because they infact are early birds. -70% is sufficient deduction.

You got it right at translating what i was meaning by good spots.

I counted 192 participant flagged with -70% in the 566 first places. this is not reporting to all participant below that # because the spreadsheet hasn't been updated past this point.

I still don't get the point for these nearly 200 people who urge to apply as an early bird to a DAO that is governed by themselves but won't vote at the 2 first mandatory votes in said DAO history.

I believe the Movement rewards activity and participation. In the future we all will have to vote to make the DAO alive and active. What's the point in giving extra rewards to people that won't participate? Locking up TAO instead of giving them to people who will use them to fuel the Movement?

I don't speak about that to penalize more those who didn't vote (they are nearly 75 in the 200 first spots that's a lot even for early birds...) i believe -70% is a fair penalty for them but what about those who came just after them, who participates, being active and contributing and won't earn extra TAO for their actvity because the early spots are full of true idlers. (idlers who have voted are not concerned...)

I am at #452 for now... i am not talking about all of this to get a better spot... i really don't mind but i find it unfair for active people of the community that won't be rewarded because some lazy peeps just took the place 1st and is doing absolutely nothing...






I totally agree with you. I was quite sure this was obvious. It's better to give a reward to the active members rather than lazy members or to the active newcomers as a bounty, but we have not to forget that we set up a vote about that and it needs that the most agree. Important is that all is legit.

Maybe I'm missing something, but active members are rewarded by increasing their activity levels. If you check the OP example which I will post below, a very active newbie member can earn almost 2x  more than a junior member.
compare an idle newbie to a contributor newbie.. the idle one gets only 10% of what the active one does:

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This Junior Participant's Activity has been rated as a Mover (1) for being active on Bitcointalk:

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 1.75)) * (1) =  ~1714 TAO




The below Participant signed up as a Newbie and idled, never participated in any Vote:

For the latter, minus 70% Activity Penalty is applied as follows.

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 2)) * (0.5 - 70%)  =  ~225 TAO



The below Newbie Participant became a Contributor by participating in Translation work on the website. What would he get?

(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 2)) * (1.75) =  ~2625 TAO


However, going forward I believe after the airdrop, the community can decide how we distribute TAO based on activity. This will be done by the community. Most likely those inactive members will dump their tokens (which aren't going to be much in the first place as seen above.)

I completly agree that the idlers shouldnt be rewarded with early bird bonus... I think we should find a consensus for the vote ( excluding these idlers ) and then vote all together to finish vote 2...

I would propose something like:

30% for first 100 ( excluding idlers from the list )
20% from 100 to 300 ( excluding idlers from the list )
10% from 300 to 700 ( excluding idlers from the list )

of course this is just an idea feel free to change the values, has long has we reach a consensus quickly...

Edit Instead of removing the idlers form the list we could just move them down spots so they get concentrated at the bottom 10% reward ( just a thought )

that's what i was submitting... move the -70% at the bottom of the list...
I have no concerns about idlers that vote... they have gained a legitimate spot in the spreadsheet. they deserve it so don't touch them.

My concern is really just about those who don't vote. (those who are already penalized by 70%)
I don't want to be mean or rude with anybody but i really think we shouldn't reward those who don't vote.

IE :

The below Participant signed up as a Newbie and idled, never participated in any Vote:
For the latter, minus 70% Activity Penalty is applied as follows.
(3,000,000 TAO / (1000 * 2)) * (0.5 - 70%)  =  ~225 TAO

They are ~195 in this case among the 566 first participant...
That would represent 195*~225 TAO = 43875 TAO locked in those idlers accounts if we stop at 566 participants bonus structure.

Maybe it's not a big problem as this would represent 1.46% of total TAO.
Ok i'm assuming they will never come again and this is more unlikely to happen but... never knows.

I don't own the truth i just want to debate this with the community.





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September 17, 2017, 05:12:19 PM
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Concerning the change of the list I don't agree.
It would appear as changing of rules after the game started.
But if an additional vote is needed to decide on this question I will vote.
I have the feeling, that just a debate will bring nothing.
@Dropper, is it possible to vote on the slots of idle participants?

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September 17, 2017, 05:19:17 PM
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Concerning the change of the list I don't agree.
It would appear as changing of rules after the game started.
But if an additional vote is needed to decide on this question I will vote.
I have the feeling, that just a debate will bring nothing.
@Dropper, is it possible to vote on the slots of idle participants?

I respect your POV...
i have the same feeling about this debate  Grin

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September 17, 2017, 05:23:18 PM
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There is no need to exclude the idlers from the bonus. They will get a hefty deduction anyways and it is supposed to be an early bird bonus after all.
What we can do though is not counting the idler spots so that more active people will get an early bird bonus.
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September 17, 2017, 06:07:15 PM
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Guys, about our partner: is Decentraland platform already working? I think not but I didn't follow their development
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September 17, 2017, 06:20:57 PM
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Still the thread is moving without a doubt.
This movement gained so much loyal followers already.
Giving their own opinion as well as their contribution.
Good luck to the success of The Movement!

This is community project that is the reason why it getting stronger day by day the more people joining this. I hope this movement will become very amazing when this journey will get started all loyal followers will get rewarded huge.
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September 17, 2017, 06:59:17 PM
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Concerning the change of the list I don't agree.
It would appear as changing of rules after the game started.
But if an additional vote is needed to decide on this question I will vote.
I have the feeling, that just a debate will bring nothing.
@Dropper, is it possible to vote on the slots of idle participants?


I believe the original rules were "connect & create" not "Idle & don't vote..." Wink
Plus the original list was already heavily modified as alts accounts were removed.

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September 17, 2017, 07:01:51 PM
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Still the thread is moving without a doubt.
This movement gained so much loyal followers already.
Giving their own opinion as well as their contribution.
Good luck to the success of The Movement!

This is community project that is the reason why it getting stronger day by day the more people joining this. I hope this movement will become very amazing when this journey will get started all loyal followers will get rewarded huge.

True!
All contribution is precious, defining the movement more and more!

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September 17, 2017, 07:16:04 PM
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Still the thread is moving without a doubt.
This movement gained so much loyal followers already.
Giving their own opinion as well as their contribution.
Good luck to the success of The Movement!

This is community project that is the reason why it getting stronger day by day the more people joining this. I hope this movement will become very amazing when this journey will get started all loyal followers will get rewarded huge.

True!
All contribution is precious, defining the movement more and more!
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September 17, 2017, 08:15:46 PM
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Still the thread is moving without a doubt.
This movement gained so much loyal followers already.
Giving their own opinion as well as their contribution.
Good luck to the success of The Movement!

This is community project that is the reason why it getting stronger day by day the more people joining this. I hope this movement will become very amazing when this journey will get started all loyal followers will get rewarded huge.

True!
All contribution is precious, defining the movement more and more!
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Hello!
Have done the Russian translation of the Whitepaper V1.
Tomorrow plan to end with the ANN translation))

As our Dev - Dropper is a bot, I have a question of whom can pm the link to the document?
Or I can post a link for google disk file of it?

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September 17, 2017, 08:48:01 PM
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Hello!
Have done the Russian translation of the Whitepaper V1.
Tomorrow plan to end with the ANN translation))

As our Dev - Dropper is a bot, I have a question of whom can pm the link to the document?
Or I can post a link for google disk file of it?

You can send the link directly to MovementAI and Dropper.

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September 17, 2017, 09:13:28 PM
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Hello!
Have done the Russian translation of the Whitepaper V1.
Tomorrow plan to end with the ANN translation))

As our Dev - Dropper is a bot, I have a question of whom can pm the link to the document?
Or I can post a link for google disk file of it?

You can send the link directly to MovementAI and Dropper.

Sent PM to MovementAI and Dropper.
Hope, they will add the link to the ANN!
Thank You!

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September 18, 2017, 02:36:52 AM
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Hello!
Have done the Russian translation of the Whitepaper V1.
Tomorrow plan to end with the ANN translation))

As our Dev - Dropper is a bot, I have a question of whom can pm the link to the document?
Or I can post a link for google disk file of it?

The Russian Community has the own thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2093521.0

As for the bonuses for early participations, I wouldn't use them at all. Especially in the examples they are not.
And the argue about the position in the book will be completed.

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 I couldn't get a cricket to chirp on the thread just a week ago, now it's just rampant post from individuals hoping to attain 1.75. Only if they knew that wouldn't earn that number.

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September 18, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
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hi all !!!
how to participate and become more active to get more airdrop and spread THE DAO to the world?

to tell you the truth, I don't understand either.

Dropper is not the dev but a BOT.

You can contribute by posting relevant information in this thread, answering questions, participating in discussions, creating graphics/translations/video's, promoting etc.
Basically everything that is of any use to the community could count towards your activity.

but i need to submit my activity somewhere???
thank you to le me know...

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September 18, 2017, 09:03:53 AM
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hi all !!!
how to participate and become more active to get more airdrop and spread THE DAO to the world?

to tell you the truth, I don't understand either.

Dropper is not the dev but a BOT.

You can contribute by posting relevant information in this thread, answering questions, participating in discussions, creating graphics/translations/video's, promoting etc.
Basically everything that is of any use to the community could count towards your activity.

but i need to submit my activity somewhere???
thank you to le me know...

You don't need to submit your activities. The Dev scan through this forum. As you get active by contributing in your own expertise as described above, they update the spreadsheet.

I noticed you have 0.5 for activity level in the sheet. This can be increased by showing more support to the community the best way you can.
-70% was given because you did not vote. I may be wrong, but I don't think that can be changed.
here's a link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1q1fYyJ4PS8nlbihzgg5ubmoupvZfpuTdsc8bkM1rdbs/edit#gid=0

I couldn't get a cricket to chirp on the thread just a week ago, now it's just rampant post from individuals hoping to attain 1.75. Only if they knew that wouldn't earn that number.

LOL yeah it was silent for a while, but it takes one to start. and a lot of idle members are returning with questions, so some of us have to respond to make things clearer, also discussions are encouraged regarding the way forward for the Movement. Obviously, spamming won't be considered an activity.

Do you think the Official data  spreedsheet is update? i think they still have to update many thing on the spreedsheet, anyway looking for future news hope we will get some in the next few days

Yes I believe it's up to date. Some members mentioned here recently that their statistics have been updated. If you have any doubt concerning your's, you can send a PM to Dropper or MovementAI.

Cheers!

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