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[Zaih]

Literally cannot wait for this. Affiliate programs.. Now that's something I think I could be good at

I certainly appreciate your relentless support throughout the past week, will let you know when it is ready.  

Your welcome Cheers!

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[Zaih]

Went in with my remaining 5 Bitcoins from my weekly gambling balance in attempt to get 30 Bitcoin goal again which I came so close to last night...



Wallah! THE SAME THING NRLY HAPPENED THOUGH. I got to 27 coins then went back down to ~20, was like wowwwww, deja vu, here we go again. But nop, my luck prevails

My stats btw



Win/loss so high since I play a lot of 1.25x games

[dooglus]

Wallah! THE SAME THING NRLY HAPPENED THOUGH. I got to 27 coins then went back down to ~20, was like wowwwww, deja vu, here we go again. But nop, my luck prevails

Nice one! 

[Stunna]

Wallah! THE SAME THING NRLY HAPPENED THOUGH. I got to 27 coins then went back down to ~20, was like wowwwww, deja vu, here we go again. But nop, my luck prevails

No need to rub it in  . But in all honesty congrats on your winnings, would feel bad winning off you.

[Boelens]

Woah, congrats. How'd you win so much? o_O.

Also, really looking forward to the affiliate program Stunna!

[Zaih]

Woah, congrats. How'd you win so much? o_O.

Also, really looking forward to the affiliate program Stunna!

Just played a mix between 50.5 and 20.8.

Basically went in expecting to lose, I think that's the trick  

[Boelens]

Woah, congrats. How'd you win so much? o_O.

Also, really looking forward to the affiliate program Stunna!

Just played a mix between 50.5 and 20.8.

Basically went in expecting to lose, I think that's the trick  

Very nice, bitcoinm won 200BTC like this too, expecting to lose lol. I'm not sure about 20.8, I always have a feeling you'll lose again before you have a profit of it.

[KingOfSports]

Went in with my remaining 5 Bitcoins from my weekly gambling balance in attempt to get 30 Bitcoin goal again which I came so close to last night...



Wallah! THE SAME THING NRLY HAPPENED THOUGH. I got to 27 coins then went back down to ~20, was like wowwwww, deja vu, here we go again. But nop, my luck prevails

My stats btw



Win/loss so high since I play a lot of 1.25x games

I just won .1 BTC...get at me

[tmbp]

I do not follow how PrimeDice is provably fair if a random server hash is present in the sha512?

http://primedice.com/verification.php

Well I have read it about 10 times and I still do not understand, enlighten me.

The client seed is generated randomly client-side and the server seed is generated randomly server side, the secret is static, generated once per day.

So if I generate the client seed 9363438 and submit a bet while the secret is 396d4ba70ffc05b28f636438cd7f02479d6aca22 the server seed can provide a source of entropy thus rendering the whole process useless, e.g. I can:

Code:

do
{
$server=randomHash();
}
while(round(hexdec(substr(hash('sha512',$seed.$server.$client), 0, 8))/42949672.95,2)>$bet)

Is it just me or are you a charlatan?

[dooglus]

Well I have read it about 10 times and I still do not understand, enlighten me.

Is it just me or are you a charlatan?

Are you calling yourself a scammer now too?

I guess you're about the only person left who you didn't accuse to wrongdoing so it had to happen eventually.

Or would you like to try formatting your post so it makes some kind of sense and asking a reasonable question if there's something you don't understand?

[tmbp]

Well I have read it about 10 times and I still do not understand, enlighten me.

Is it just me or are you a charlatan?

Are you calling yourself a scammer now too?

I guess you're about the only person left who you didn't accuse to wrongdoing so it had to happen eventually.

Or would you like to try formatting your post so it makes some kind of sense and asking a reasonable question if there's something you don't understand?

I gave you a piece of psuedocode that breaks the current "Provable Fair" algorithm, if they are using it on the server side they have total control over the results but I think you got that by now already, simply don't have an answer.

[dooglus]

I gave you a piece of psuedocode that breaks the current "Provable Fair" algorithm, if they are using it on the server side they have total control over the results but I think you got that by now already, simply don't have an answer.

I didn't read the pseudocode; I didn't get past you quoting yourself and apparently calling yourself a charlatan.  But now I understand.  You weren't replying to yourself, you were repeating something you posted in a different thread.

You seem to be saying that the site can keep trying random server hashes until they find one that makes the player lose, right?

The reason this doesn't work is that they publish the hash of their server secret before the game, and before the player picks the client seed.  If they later change the server seed to make sure they win, its hash won't match the previously published hash.

The problem with the whole scheme is that they make it so hard for the player to change their client seed that the players probably never change it, and so the game is open to abuse.  The server can assume the client seed will remain unchanged and find a server seed that lets them win, then publish its hash before each game.

This will be fixed once it's easy for the players to change their client seed which I think is something Stunna has already said is in the pipeline.

[tmbp]

I gave you a piece of psuedocode that breaks the current "Provable Fair" algorithm, if they are using it on the server side they have total control over the results but I think you got that by now already, simply don't have an answer.

I didn't read the pseudocode; I didn't get past you quoting yourself and apparently calling yourself a charlatan.  But now I understand.  You weren't replying to yourself, you were repeating something you posted in a different thread.

You seem to be saying that the site can keep trying random server hashes until they find one that makes the player lose, right?

The reason this doesn't work is that they publish the hash of their server secret before the game, and before the player picks the client seed.  If they later change the server seed to make sure they win, its hash won't match the previously published hash.

The problem with the whole scheme is that they make it so hard for the player to change their client seed that the players probably never change it, and so the game is open to abuse.  The server can assume the client seed will remain unchanged and find a server seed that lets them win, then publish its hash before each game.

This will be fixed once it's easy for the players to change their client seed which I think is something Stunna has already said is in the pipeline.

Is it just me (is the problem with me?) or are you (primedice) a charlatan?

What is the problem with the sentence? I was quoting myself to show you the problem AND ROFLMAO THE CLIENT SEED ISN'T BEING RANDOMIZED WITH CRYPTOGRAPHICALY SECURE ALGORITHMS CLIENT SIDE?!?!?!

Way to protect the noobs vets.

[dooglus]

What is the problem with the sentence? I was quoting myself to show you the problem AND ROFLMAO THE CLIENT SEED ISN'T BEING RANDOMIZED WITH CRYPTOGRAPHICALY SECURE ALGORITHMS CLIENT SIDE?!?!?!

Way to protect the noobs vets.

Yeah, it's fine.  I was just confused who was saying what there.

As I understand it, the player is responsible for setting the client seed, but I'm not sure.

Did you think the client seed was being randomized client side?  If so, how would your original criticism have been valid at all?  From their verification page it sounds like the user gets to choose both client and server seeds, which is weird.

Here's my post about it, with their answer not far below:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg2195522#msg2195522

[Zaih]

Woah who's the dude who has bet over 5000 Bitcoins?

[cwil]

Looks like a bot with no or bad logic.  I've seen it jump from ~-5 BTC profit to + 15 pretty regularly.  Farming Prime Points maybe?

[str4wm4n]

Destro! know when to quit! you were up 30 btc! now you are negative 50!

[Zaih]

Wow.. -50 BTC profit. Over 9000 BTC bet. I guess that's what happens. At least it could have been worse.. His expected profit over that volume is negative 90 BTC O_o

[KingOfSports]

CONGRATS STUNNA!!! I see you made 60 BTC off a new player, normally I'd be like "F*** the house" but here I'm actually happy it happened.

EDIT: "Fun" aka Vink is also on a losing streak. He was at +101 BTC yesterday now hes at +77 BTC, we'll see what happens.

[Zaih]

CONGRATS STUNNA!!! I see you made 60 BTC off a new player, normally I'd be like "F*** the house" but here I'm actually happy it happened.

EDIT: "Fun" aka Vink is also on a losing streak. He was at +101 BTC yesterday now hes at +77 BTC, we'll see what happens.

Vink will ALWAYS win in the long run, he's insane He's the reason I always chuck it in xD.

But yeh Stunna, good job man. I guess all these ad's your paying for are paying off.