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[flippy]

The faucet needs to be changed somehow, but ideally it shouldn't punish those who already spent time and money on the site under the impression that they were being rewarded with an increased faucet, which is now possibly going to be decimated. Of course, it's not supposed to be a guaranteed 'get your money back eventually' thing either and it does have the risk that people only care about boosting the faucet, and then they don't really contribute to the site.

Perhaps there should be some kind of limit on how much the faucet can be used within a certain time period - a player would have some kind of 'faucet credits' which replenish one per hour up to a certain limit (and could also be awarded for good site behaviour?), but if the player doesn't have faucet credits, they can still claim it at a reduced level, enough to keep them hooked and wanting to deposit again.

Alternatively, maybe add some strings to the faucet - if a player's current bankroll started from the faucet, flag it, so that a player can't tip/pvp/withdraw until they reach a certain amount. This would then allow tips/pvp for small amounts for depositing players to be restored since they wouldn't contribute to faucet abuse, which would improve the mood of the site again.

[apsvinet]

Why not just do like many gambling sites do and just let you play for nonexistent currency. Like a faucet that gives you some sort of currency, but it's not bitcoins, it's sole purpose is to try the site out. Think there are sites that use these kinds of "fun-points" (name optional).

[dankkk]

i think 1btc sounds like a fair faucet amount

[dooglus]

The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.

Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?

That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?

Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.

If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.

I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.

Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.

[Anastasio]

To be honest, the faucet amount changing isn't a big deal. Isn't the purpose of the faucet to test out the site and allow those who don't want to use their own bitcoins the ability to still gamble? What's the difference between 250sat and 100sat when it comes to this? Not much in my opinion.

[dankkk]

The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.

Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?

That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?

Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.

If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.

I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.

Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg4284687#msg4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet

[dooglus]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg4284687#msg4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet

He said "Higher level = Higher reward" which is still true.

[omahapoker]

stunna will figure this out. he's been around here since the early 80's



stunna's a smart guy and runs the # 1 bitcoin gambling site out there

[goose20]

The differing psychology in play and utility value we have with the faucet amount is what throws normal theory out the door here imo. As evidenced by normal house edge of ~1% v faucet edge of ~4%.

Where do you see that the faucet has an "edge of ~4%"?

That sounds like crazy talk to me... are you suggesting that the laws of mathematics are affected by the emotions of the person running a deterministic random number generation algorithm such that they lose a bigger percentage of the amount they risk when playing with free coins than when they are risking their own coins? Because that's what it sounds like you are saying. If not, what does "faucet edge" even mean?

Actually yeah, a high faucet was promised for PD3.

If it's the case that players were promised a certain level of faucet payouts, and that promise is now being broken, then that's no good.

I never saw anything like that in the talk leading up to the release of PD3 - from what I remember it was mostly vague "there will be levels" type stuff, nothing specific, and so changing details like the amount the faucet pays out isn't breaking any promise.

Maybe you can quote the post that made the promise you feel is now being broken.

Dooglus, see stunna's respone to my post re where the 4% came from.

Math with always hold true. Human behavior will not. Hence the differing %'s imo.
 
My posts were not a comment on the faucet itself (its amount, reduction etc - am not concerned about that). Others are, I don't know why - its free afterall.
But stunna's statement itself. I read it and thought 'yeah, faucet has substantial claims being made on it - so what, its all just numbers and not much at all is leaving stunna's pocket and actually being paid out from it'. And then I thought others would read it and go 'oh poor stunna, he is paying out the equivalent of 100btc a month because of the faucet, whata generous guy'.
 
So I straight up asked stunna for clarification.
Cheers

[Shogen]

What about changing the "level up mechanism" to significantly lower the effect of chat?

So if you didn't gamble much, your faucet will be lowered significantly, and if you did gamble much (like those saying they deposited and play a lot just to level up), your faucet will remain the same as currently.

[lili song]

Shoutout to user Juuj who managed to deposit only 0.02 and withdraw 3 BTC!





 

amazing
He had some amazing luck,,,
congraz

[Lamigo]

As Primedice3 opening days are coming to a close the faucet is soon going to be decreased a bit. It is currently giving out over 3 BTC a day which is a lot higher than we expected. This is mainly due to abuse.

3 BTC a day? That is crazy.
Are the faucet claimed mainly by a large number of new low level accounts?

[dooglus]

stunna's a smart guy and runs the # 1 bitcoin gambling site out there

I never heard that rumour before! You're saying he runs DB as well as PD???

[dooglus]

Dooglus, see stunna's respone to my post re where the 4% came from.

I found it:

Claimed. We have an average roll over of about 4x the faucet amount before it is lost. Meaning when we give away money from the faucet the return to house is only 4%.

We like to say what is claimed from the faucet is basically withdrawn, minus 3 - 5% depending on variance.

What he's saying is that on average, faucet money is played through 4 times before it is withdrawn, and so the 1% house edge applies to it 4 times over, and so he gets 4 percent of it back.

What he didn't say is how many times on average player deposits are played through before they are withdrawn. That could be around 4 times as well, meaning that the house gets to keep 4% of the average deposit.

Math with always hold true. Human behavior will not. Hence the differing %'s imo.

There's no way to change the 1% house edge. The house expects to keep 1% of everything this is bet, whether you bet it quickly, slowly, carefully, recklessly, or with your eyes closed and your fingers crossed. If you play through a deposit 4 times then you expect to lose 4% of it. That's the 4% he's talking about.

So I straight up asked stunna for clarification.

Right, and it was a good question. What his answer is saying is that each day the faucet gives out around 3 BTC and of that amount around 96%, or 2.88 BTC is withdrawn. So it really is costing him pretty much 3 BTC per day - not just numbers in a database.

[gadman2]

This working for mobile yet? I can't play on my gs5...

Edit: OMG. I got hero member on this post. Brb selling acc... Jk

[dankkk]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=208986.msg4284687#msg4284687 wasnt really a promise but stunna did say there would be higher faucet

He said "Higher level = Higher reward" which is still true.

Yeah and by higher reward he said he meant higher faucet

[jjc326]

Oh man this really is a bummer about the faucet. I'd have to agree that it was promised to be higher in Pd3. He said over and over when someone complained about the faucet being lowered, that it would be higher in Pd3. It was always "just wait, in Pd3 which is coming soon, faucets going to be higher and we will have awesome anti-bot systems". I'm sorry but sounds like pd is not keeping it's word.

[jjc326]

Further on the faucet:  I see a lot of people saying that they gambled a certain amount because they knew it would end up with them having a higher faucet, win or lose on their bets.   This applies to me too.

Now for stunna to lower the faucet is frankly a breach of contract. Look up estoppel- people reasonably relied on the site saying faucet would raise with the more wagered. Really not a good look stunna.

I mean, can't you basically tell who the abusers are?  Why not limit faucet to 120 times a day or something like that?  No human can sit there for hours and every minute type the captcha. So the accounts that do it for 24 straight hours, ban them. Seems simple.

[Stunna]

Further on the faucet:  I see a lot of people saying that they gambled a certain amount because they knew it would end up with them having a higher faucet, win or lose on their bets.   This applies to me too.

Now for stunna to lower the faucet is frankly a breach of contract. Look up estoppel- people reasonably relied on the site saying faucet would raise with the more wagered. Really not a good look stunna.

I mean, can't you basically tell who the abusers are?  Why not limit faucet to 120 times a day or something like that?  No human can sit there for hours and every minute type the captcha. So the accounts that do it for 24 straight hours, ban them. Seems simple.

Faucet will simply be lowered, higher levels will still receive higher amounts.

[Jaaawsh]

Further on the faucet:  I see a lot of people saying that they gambled a certain amount because they knew it would end up with them having a higher faucet, win or lose on their bets.   This applies to me too.

Now for stunna to lower the faucet is frankly a breach of contract. Look up estoppel- people reasonably relied on the site saying faucet would raise with the more wagered. Really not a good look stunna.

I mean, can't you basically tell who the abusers are?  Why not limit faucet to 120 times a day or something like that?  No human can sit there for hours and every minute type the captcha. So the accounts that do it for 24 straight hours, ban them. Seems simple.

Faucet will simply be lowered, higher levels will still receive higher amounts.

I just think that's BS, sorry. but it also depends on what we're talking here, like half is too much.
I wasn't to excited about primedice, or any dice for that matter before until I heard about this high faucet.

It is really unfair and going to be bad PR :p because I know I'm not the only one who feels this way.

Also still waiting on an answer about who exactly was abusing the faucet? I really don't see any way possible to abuse the faucet. Back when tips were minimum 10k satoshi sure, but now that they're the same as minimum cashout there's no difference between cashing out and tipping.