Mining Equipment Manufacturers

[Adano]

That's better! 

I doubt if knc jupiter or saturn are "tested". There is nothing to test afaik.

At the same time bitfury chips for 100 TH project in Poland are being placed on boards now. Metabank is currently arranging everything with local assembler in Russia, board design is to be demonstrated this week. So one could say it's kinda much more close to  "tested".

Anyway, you are doing very useful job. I believe arranging all this data is such a headache. I never made a single website in my life and most probably never will.

[BenTuras]

There is something odd with the Bitburner boards. The 10 chip board is relatively more expensive than the 20 chip board, but still has a higher profit % ?!

[FCTaiChi]

That's better! 

I doubt if knc jupiter or saturn are "tested". There is nothing to test afaik.

At the same time bitfury chips for 100 TH project in Poland are being placed on boards now. Metabank is currently arranging everything with local assembler in Russia, board design is to be demonstrated this week. So one could say it's kinda much more close to  "tested".

Anyway, you are doing very useful job. I believe arranging all this data is such a headache. I never made a single website in my life and most probably never will.

Really?  I obviously need to watch those demo videos again lol..  I thought KnC had some tests done?  Yeah I remember hearing that about BitFury, I'll put a tested on them.

There is something odd with the Bitburner boards. The 10 chip board is relatively more expensive than the 20 chip board, but still has a higher profit % ?!

You're right about that, on the surface all the references look right unfortunately.  I'm still only half way through going through them, so I'm sure I'll find it soon.  Hopefully I'll get a chance to finish tonight.

[Adano]

That's better! 

I doubt if knc jupiter or saturn are "tested". There is nothing to test afaik.

At the same time bitfury chips for 100 TH project in Poland are being placed on boards now. Metabank is currently arranging everything with local assembler in Russia, board design is to be demonstrated this week. So one could say it's kinda much more close to  "tested".

Anyway, you are doing very useful job. I believe arranging all this data is such a headache. I never made a single website in my life and most probably never will.

Really?  I obviously need to watch those demo videos again lol..  I thought KnC had some tests done?  Yeah I remember hearing that about BitFury, I'll put a tested on them.

There is something odd with the Bitburner boards. The 10 chip board is relatively more expensive than the 20 chip board, but still has a higher profit % ?!

You're right about that, on the surface all the references look right unfortunately.  I'm still only half way through going through them, so I'm sure I'll find it soon.  Hopefully I'll get a chance to finish tonight.

No, you don't need to watch that video again.  It demonstrates FPGA prototype. KNC asic chip doesn't exist and thus can't be tested.

[Bitcoinorama]

Unsurprisingly ASICminer 's units are still a total waste of time...

[HeRetiK]

Unsurprisingly ASICminer 's units are still a total waste of time...

Right now they still have the benefit of being the least unreliable as far as delivery is concerned. I wonder if they'll change to more competitive prices once the market and range of producers as grown.

[FCTaiChi]

Unsurprisingly ASICminer 's units are still a total waste of time...

Right now they still have the benefit of being the least unreliable as far as delivery is concerned. I wonder if they'll change to more competitive prices once the market and range of producers as grown.

I'm surprised about this...  I fixed the biggest problem just now.  VLOOKUP(1,table,3,FALSE) will look for values even if you don't tell it to if you don't have the FALSE statement.  I can't imagine why though.

omg I need to take my eyes off the screen for a while!

[ryepdx]

That's odd. According to the current exchange rate, evilscoop's service is more expensive than mine, and yet he gets better ROI. 

[FCTaiChi]

That's odd. According to the current exchange rate, evilscoop's service is more expensive than mine, and yet he gets better ROI. 

lol, I'll take a look.  Some crazy stuff happened when I started reorganizing.  I was going to invite others to take a look to see if their numbers look right.

About 10% at any point can be from currency exchange waiting to be arbitraged.

Ok, found it.  He had only 8% difficulty.  Went through every cell and checked, everyone else was good.

[dopamine]

why is Avalon not on table?

[FCTaiChi]

They don't sell miners any more.  I'll put an Avalon page on the new list as I make it for the secondary market.

[Cryptoin]

May be I missed this somewhere since you have changed the format but what are you using now for your difficulty predictions?  (i.e. 21%/14 days?)

[darkfriend77]

i see the column tested ... what is the meaning of it ...

KnC Jupiter Tested = yes ... ?

[ScaryHash]

I have no idea how or why you have all Klondike K16 units all at different ROI...

They're the same unit.

It makes no sense to me.

[klondike_bar]

I have no idea how or why you have all Klondike K16 units all at different ROI...

They're the same unit.

It makes no sense to me.

ROI is based on the unit cost. Not every K16 vendor is priced equally

[FCTaiChi]

i see the column tested ... what is the meaning of it ...

KnC Jupiter Tested = yes ... ?

Sorry no.  I meant to change that back, thanks for the reminder.


Yes exactly klondike

[mnyonpa]

Could you please update the profit calculations for 21% and more difficulty growth?

Or maybe someone can recommend a good calculator that allows both to account for difficulty growth and delay in mining start?

[eRadicant]

Could you please update the profit calculations for 21% and more difficulty growth?

Or maybe someone can recommend a good calculator that allows both to account for difficulty growth and delay in mining start?

http://www.bitcoinx.com/profit/ is a very good one

For estimated starting difficulty use the formula:  X*(1+Z/100)^(Y/13)

where X is current difficulty
Z is % difficulty increase per cycle
Y is days till delivery

For profitability decline per year use: 1/[(1+Z/100)^(365/13)]

eg. for 21% increase and hardware arrival in 90 days

starting difficulty: 26mil * 1.21^(90/13) = 97907276
profitability decline per year: 1/[1.21^(265/13)] = 0.0047385

Plug those values into the calculator with your other info

Too easy

Keep in mind that a linear percentage increase in difficulty is very unlikely and so predictions of more than a few months or so will be inaccurate

[FCTaiChi]

Actually yeah, I was going to do that yesterday but never got around to it.
wanted to change to:
8 11 14 17 20

If I go more than 3 steps the range gets really wide.  People get annoyed at me saying there is no chance of having a 20%+ raise.  I'm not so sure.  Just taking the average of all percentage rises you get 17%.  That's counting all the low periods, including the year or so there was 0% rise.  Take those out and it's 20%. 
There have been very high growth periods in the past.  From 5/29/10 to 5/26/11 we averaged 40%.
The growth has been stable and calm since the GPU surge, I think people are used to that, not realizing the possible impact of a new technology.  Lol..  Thinking in that context makes me want to go back to 10-25%, and add a 40% just in case.

[ujka]

 
I get annoyed.
15% constant rise gives      99 668 TH/s in a year! (dec 2014) (100 PH/s)
20% constant rise gives     570 660 TH/s !!! (570 PH/s)
40% constant rise gives 317 100 041 TH/s !!!!!!!!! (317 100 PH/s)

ASIC is a new technology, but it does not have the same impact as the GPUs back then. And it will not evolve that quick to make such an impact.
15%


20%


40%