Marketplace trust

[SM23031997]

i love this feature so the newbies cant be scammed by the bad guys who wants to steal our money.

Precautions are still necessary to prevent any scam, you can't trust a newbie without 0 trusts as the newbie are only tagged when they show some shady behavior or have an open scam accusation against them. Checking their Untrusted feedbacks helps sometimes to avoid scammers.

[Deena]

Oh, the whole trust system here is abused to the bone. Expose a scammer with power and he will give you red trust. Expose more scammers and you'll be considered by others as a scammer yourself. There is absolutely no objectivity at all in the trust system here.

[ibminer]

Oh, the whole trust system here is abused to the bone. Expose a scammer with power and he will give you red trust. Expose more scammers and you'll be considered by others as a scammer yourself. There is absolutely no objectivity at all in the trust system here.

Big words coming from an account 1 day old and from someone who does not even know what DT1 and DT2 means.
 

What does DT1 and DT2 mean?

[Deena]

Big words coming from an account 1 day old and from someone who does not even know what DT1 and DT2 means.
 

One needs not to be a Legendary to speak truth. In fact you'll probably find more truth with unspoiled naive newbies than with legies who are knee deep stuck in political intregues to protect their status.

[ibminer]

Big words coming from an account 1 day old and from someone who does not even know what DT1 and DT2 means.
 

One needs not to be a Legendary to speak truth. In fact you'll probably find more truth with unspoiled naive newbies than with legies who are knee deep stuck in political intregues to protect their status.

One who seeks out truth from naivety is likely to have a lack of experience, wisdom, and/or judgement.

Not sure what the Legendary status has to do with any of this, I could have been on this forum for 7 years and be a newbie... but knowledge, likely escaping you, is needed to understand this.

[Deena]

One who seeks out truth from naivety is likely to have a lack of experience, wisdom, and/or judgement.

Not sure what the Legendary status has to do with any of this, I could have been on this forum for 7 years and be a newbie... but knowledge, likely escaping you, is needed to understand this.

I agree that instead of naivity I better had chosen the word innocence. Thanks for the correction. Had you stayed a newbie for 7 years you would have been able to stay easily clear from all the corrupting political intrueges that are going on among top-legies. Perhaps you still have been able to stay 'clean'. That would deserve you sincere congratuations. However money and power expose people's ugliest nature. Have you not pushed others down in order to stay on a top spot of the hill?

[ibminer]

I agree that instead of naivity I better had chosen the word innocence. Thanks for the correction.

I believe you had it right the first time. Actual newbies are in fact naive when it comes to this forum, its philosophies, and how it operates. I'm not saying they are all idiots but they usually do not understand how the forum itself operates and, maybe more importantly, why. And until you understand through experience and/or reading tons of old threads, it's hard not to fall down the rabbit hole of conspiracy.

Had you stayed a newbie for 7 years you would have been able to stay easily clear from all the corrupting political intrueges that are going on among top-legies.

I don't know what a legie is but I'm going to assume it's some sort of term for a Legendary account, which has nothing to do with the trust system.

If you are referring to DT members, I don't believe most DT members even know each other or communicate. There are certainly a few "cliques" that develop but this is expected human behavior to me. It certainly doesn't automatically mean they are colluding. I assume you have some actual examples to show here with all of the political intrigue going on?

Perhaps you still have been able to stay 'clean'. That would deserve you sincere congratuations.

Corruption and dishonesty exist all over the world, but I believe the majority of the administration, moderation, and trust system of this forum are "clean".

However money and power expose people's ugliest nature. Have you not pushed others down in order to stay on a top spot of the hill?

I've made no money due to being on DT and the power is a bit overrated.

And no, I've never pushed anyone down to get or remain on DT, which I would certainly not consider a "top spot on the hill".  I've only tried to learn the ins and outs of the forum and have always left honest and accurate feedback to try and help legitimate members of this community.

[Deena]

Thanks for the calm answers.

@Moderator: When a Newbie writes 'thanks' on this forum she sometimes is sincere about it and does not post it as spam with the aim to increase her posts! 

[actmyname]

Thanks for the calm answers.

@Moderator: When a Newbie writes 'thanks' on this forum she sometimes is sincere about it and does not post it as spam with the aim to increase her posts! 

Then send it as a PM. If you really are sincere about it, after all, you wouldn't need to post it.

[Deena]

Thanks for the calm answers.

@Moderator: When a Newbie writes 'thanks' on this forum she sometimes is sincere about it and does not post it as spam with the aim to increase her posts! 

Then send it as a PM. If you really are sincere about it, after all, you wouldn't need to post it.

You could have sent the above through PM as well. Yet you didn't.

[simplyToshi]

I don't know which fcking planet you morons live on but I'm construction worker/trucker and insults and obscenities are mandatory, they are an art form.

That would explain why lower intelligence people flock to those jobs...

Profanity is a sign of a weak mind.

Completely agreed - hence why there is sooo much of this going on at this time

[deathwish]

Good idea. But won't it be misused as well ? Will there is a proof for the Trust + and Trust - that someone gets.
I get this is a good system. Just want to be sure that it is scam proof.
I mean, I will blindly trust someone who has some good + ratings but then it should be legit. 

[MandyViki]

Good idea. But won't it be misused as well ? Will there is a proof for the Trust + and Trust - that someone gets.
I get this is a good system. Just want to be sure that it is scam proof.
I mean, I will blindly trust someone who has some good + ratings but then it should be legit. 

Better would still be trust no one but your own self.
At some point we have to take the final decision and it wont depend on just numbers.
Its a good feature, but anything and everything is susceptible to manipulation.

[hilariousetc]

I don't know which fcking planet you morons live on but I'm construction worker/trucker and insults and obscenities are mandatory, they are an art form.

That would explain why lower intelligence people flock to those jobs...

Profanity is a sign of a weak mind.

Completely agreed - hence why there is sooo much of this going on at this time

I thoroughly disagree. Just throwing in a random f-bomb or some other such profanity every other word for the hell of it is usually unnecessary and puerile, but a well placed 'fuck' or even some other extreme expletives can be a sign of true comedic genius. People can get very inventive with their cursing. George Carlin, for example, who was a master of both comedy and the English language, in my opinion.

Good idea. But won't it be misused as well ? Will there is a proof for the Trust + and Trust - that someone gets.
I get this is a good system. Just want to be sure that it is scam proof.
I mean, I will blindly trust someone who has some good + ratings but then it should be legit. 

Yes, it is misused and abused as are all feedback systems, so not sure why would you blindly trust someone based on this. That's exactly why people get fooled and scammed. The feedback system is there as a guide to help you make up your mind about a user based on the information provided. Somebody could have 100 green feedbacks but all just for being a helpful and knowledgeable user, but that doesn't mean they won't run off with the first bit of money they are entrusted with. It's a well known fact that some people here just do cheap trades with certain people just to get a 'green trusted' feedback so they can then appear trusted when in fact all they've done is spent $5-20 dollars on something they almost certainly didn't even want or need.

[deathwish]

Good idea. But won't it be misused as well ? Will there is a proof for the Trust + and Trust - that someone gets.
I get this is a good system. Just want to be sure that it is scam proof.
I mean, I will blindly trust someone who has some good + ratings but then it should be legit. 

Yes, it is misused and abused as are all feedback systems, so not sure why would you blindly trust someone based on this. That's exactly why people get fooled and scammed. The feedback system is there as a guide to help you make up your mind about a user based on the information provided. Somebody could have 100 green feedbacks but all just for being a helpful and knowledgeable user, but that doesn't mean they won't run off with the first bit of money they are entrusted with. It's a well known fact that some people here just do cheap trades with certain people just to get a 'green trusted' feedback so they can then appear trusted when in fact all they've done is spent $5-20 dollars on something they almost certainly didn't even want or need.
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Yes. I have seen the feedback system being abused. And exactly my point.
People who are new to this domain tend to trust and follow people on this forum. Such a system should be backed by some check to maintain integrity of the system. Or atleast in the instructions, make people aware or warn them that the trust system should be taken with a pinch of salt. 

[hilariousetc]

Yes. I have seen the feedback system being abused. And exactly my point.
People who are new to this domain tend to trust and follow people on this forum. Such a system should be backed by some check to maintain integrity of the system. Or atleast in the instructions, make people aware or warn them that the trust system should be taken with a pinch of salt. 

We can't be responsible for how others view the system. It's not a gold standard certification of trust; it's just a guide to help you make your mind up on who to trust or not, but nobody should be doing this blindly. Anyone can abuse or game the feedback system on any site even such ones like ebay and Amazon etc and they both do very little when someone leaves invalid feedback and this forum is no different, except the admin's are quite upfront that they rarely if ever get involved in disputes here.

[Vod]

I thoroughly disagree. Just throwing in a random f-bomb or some other such profanity every other word for the hell of it is usually unnecessary and puerile, but a well placed 'fuck' or even some other extreme expletives can be a sign of true comedic genius. People can get very inventive with their cursing. George Carlin, for example, who was a master of both comedy and the English language, in my opinion.

Well then fuck you.    

I'm not saying ideas can't be colorfully expressed using profanity.  I was saying people that use profanity constantly as part of their everyday language tend to be of lower intelligence.

It's much easier to say "fuck" than think of a proper adjective or adverb.  Weak minds take the easiest path.

BACK ON TOPIC:  Does a trust rating risk of 50btc or more still count as an additional rating?  Might want to lower that number now...

[MadZ]

I thoroughly disagree. Just throwing in a random f-bomb or some other such profanity every other word for the hell of it is usually unnecessary and puerile, but a well placed 'fuck' or even some other extreme expletives can be a sign of true comedic genius. People can get very inventive with their cursing. George Carlin, for example, who was a master of both comedy and the English language, in my opinion.

Well then fuck you.    

I'm not saying ideas can't be colorfully expressed using profanity.  I was saying people that use profanity constantly as part of their everyday language tend to be of lower intelligence.

It's much easier to say "fuck" than think of a proper adjective or adverb.  Weak minds take the easiest path.

BACK ON TOPIC:  Does a trust rating risk of 50btc or more still count as an additional rating?  Might want to lower that number now...

No, risked BTC has no effect on trust rating. Look at satoshi's for example, it would be the same as it is now if the values were 0 instead of 21m.

[SerioGiocatore]

Someone put a negative trust rating on my profile but I haven't done any transaction with him. Where can I report it? I don't like seeing red on my trust rating . Why would anyone mark a user with -trust when all I did was post comments in forums.

[BRPINDIA]

I added a trust system to the marketplace sections. When you're logged in, you'll now see something like this next to Marketplace posts:

Trust: 1: -0 / +12(3)

The first number is the user's trust score calculated based on how consistently they've received positive feedback. Probably no one will get a score above 0 until the system has been around for at least a month. The second number is the number of reported scams. The third number increases with the number of positive reports, as does the fourth number in parenthesis, though the fourth number is more resistant to abuse. This text changes color depending on the score. Users with a negative score (attainable through scamming) get a red warning attached to their posts.

These scores are taken from your trust network. They are not global scores. You can edit your trust network here:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust
If your trust depth is set to 2 (the default), you will trust feedback by people you trust, people they trust, and people they trust. I might change the default in the future; we'll see how this works. Your trust list is public.

On feedback pages, you can leave trade feedback. There are no rules for this, but here are some guidelines:
- List all of the trades that you do with people (or at least the major ones). This is not like #bitcoin-otc where you give people just one score.
- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.
- Older ratings count for more, so don't delete old ratings if you can avoid it.
- "Risked BTC" is how much money you could have lost if the person you're rating had turned out to be a scammer. Or, if they are a scammer, it's how much you lost. Use the BTC value at the time of reporting.
- It's OK to post a rating about the person in general, not tied to a specific trade.
- If you want to make a rating stronger, increase "Risked BTC". 50 extra risked BTC is equivalent to an additional rating.

If your trust list is totally empty, you trust "DefaultTrust", which includes some trustworthy people that I'll select. But if you add anyone to your trust list, even if they don't trust anyone, DefaultTrust will no longer be considered part of your trust list.

In the near future I'll add these same ratings to PMs.

Tell me if you see any bugs. I didn't test this much yet.

Thanks