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September 17, 2017, 12:59:30 PM

You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).



On page 16, there are charts in your Blackpaper. Your bot has been trading BTC since July 2010 ? Or is there some mistake? Or did I misunderstand?

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September 17, 2017, 02:08:07 PM

You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).



On page 16, there are charts in your Blackpaper. Your bot has been trading BTC since July 2010 ? Or is there some mistake? Or did I misunderstand?
I'm not sure if I understand this correctly, someone please feel free to correct me if I'm wrong. NappoleonX is the platform, and Napoleon crypto is obviously the cryptocurrency. So what will these D.A.F's (decentralized autonomous funds) consist of? Other cryptocurrencies? Can someone break this down for a commerce newbie please? It all seems very complex to me.
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September 17, 2017, 02:48:30 PM

Are Hong Kong, United states (and it's territories) and China forbidden to participate in the ICO ?

do you want to official answer or the unofficial one? officially you can't, unofficially you just declare that you are not a citizen of said country. nobody will check.

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September 17, 2017, 03:00:42 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

                                       
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September 17, 2017, 03:27:11 PM

You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).
So how were your first 20 bots funded? How come you want to raise 6mio$ for this one? Is this just too good of opportunity to miss or you are really planing to expand so much and be a big player.

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September 17, 2017, 04:34:56 PM

I read about 20 working trading bots in white paper.



I think the company has enough experience.

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September 17, 2017, 04:36:09 PM

I so impatient to see the bot at work, I think they will be very powerfull and will allow a lot possibilty of invest whith the 10 first we would have. The team is really strong, they will show us something really great.

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The current scenario accurately reflects the great usefulness and application of this concept, the lack of control by inexperienced and anxious people during devaluation, shows that the bots of this project will be very useful and will allow us to have more control and profits in those moments. An excellent investment for our future investments Wink
Maybe :/ im kind a sad if bots be only way we will be able to trade Cheesy whats the fun then ? if everything is going by AI? off course the profits will be grater but still .. i will miss the human factor ,to bad its inevitable and sooner or later AI will concur the exchanges so i try to hop in now Smiley

The thing is that I'm a bad trader because I'm too emotional. And, I can't think straight in dips so, bots can help me.

Tell me about it. whenever I see the market crash,  my impulse is to go and sell everything. Luckily the "hodl" guys keep me from doing it.

Right brother that what keeps me motivated. But, it's too much stress and I want to get rid of it. NaPoleonX might help.
In the future this AIs will get better and better we will have no chance to compete against them so I think this project will be a great success if they manage to get it working.

I dont know if they will deploy ai/Deep Learning technology for their bots. I asked this question earlier in the thread but it is unanswered. As of now I consider the strategies and bots as simple rule based trading execution management (and low freq).

We have not developed AI / Deep learning yet even though we have all what we need to do so in our team given the background of Stefan, our CTO, Arnaud and myself. For the moment, our bots are market timing tools developed on closing prices mainly and providing low frequency trading signals.

Having worked on a lot of complex data project, we know very well that to run AI / Deep Learning bots, you need to have first class datasets and this is a very valuable and difficult to acquire asset. We have already started to build our own database and will dedicate a decent size of our budget to build this further as this is our raw material. This is tougher than anyone thinks and that is why firm like Bloomberg and Reuters have developed huge business.

I would propose you engage the Community in a greater extent into this one. Ask for suggestions and create a poll? use some of the Bounty for Winner? great opportunity to build some Community commitment.

Yes, that's part of the (secret :-)) plan also in fact. We are working on a work flow to (automatically) assess the quality of any trading strategy with the aim to make a selection of the best ones, for each asset class. The aim being to then feed the DAFs. Part of theses strategies may be AI / DL, subject to the set-up of the satisfactory infrastructure (for data management). But all this work is definitively a post-ICO one.





 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 17, 2017, 04:51:17 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

the bots are trading for profit and you can get a piece of the action. sound fair enough? Smiley

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You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).
So how were your first 20 bots funded? How come you want to raise 6mio$ for this one? Is this just too good of opportunity to miss or you are really planing to expand so much and be a big player.

Napoleon Crypto will propose more bots, not just the initial 20 that will make the 10 DAFs, besides, they need a platform to allow OTHER Strategy Providers to create and propose bots for the new DAFs that will appear, it means that any company and/or entity could make bots for NaPoleonX, so they could benefit from it as well, and as a result, all of the token holders that voted for their selection. Their first 20 bots will be funded using the minimum cap which is 25 000 ETH, tough their target cap is 40 000 ETH, which will allow them to implement more features and release more bots, initially, then more bots will appear when the ecosystem is online and performing.
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You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

Hello Departure,

some of them are detailed in our blackpaper. You can find it at blackpaper.napoleonx.ai.

They are low frequency strategies (at most one trade per day at close) working on the biggest equity indices (SP500? Eurostox 50, etc).
We have also gold and BTC market timing strategies.

But the DAF, that will implement these strategies will be hedged so that the performance shall be in ETH or BTC. Indeed, from the ETH or BTC collected by the DAF, we will need to convert only a part (eg 30%) in fiat to implement the strategy. There is a natural hedge of around 70% that will be complemented by a formal hedge on the remaining part through the use of BTC futures (and after some points of ETH futures). We may also decide to try to hedge the expected performance. At the end of the day, if the strategy has a positive performance, the DAF will have earn new ETHs or BTCs so that the Net Asset Value of a DAF token would have increased. Hope it is clear?


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 17, 2017, 05:23:37 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Agree. A good start would be to explain the most common topics/questions in this bct thread. Im Reading this thread from time to time and it seems quite a few questions is reccurent, those should be a good basis. Also host AMA based of those.
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September 17, 2017, 05:28:26 PM

You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

Hello Departure,

some of them are detailed in our blackpaper. You can find it at blackpaper.napoleonx.ai.

They are low frequency strategies (at most one trade per day at close) working on the biggest equity indices (SP500? Eurostox 50, etc).
We have also gold and BTC market timing strategies.

But the DAF, that will implement these strategies will be hedged so that the performance shall be in ETH or BTC. Indeed, from the ETH or BTC collected by the DAF, we will need to convert only a part (eg 30%) in fiat to implement the strategy. There is a natural hedge of around 70% that will be complemented by a formal hedge on the remaining part through the use of BTC futures (and after some points of ETH futures). We may also decide to try to hedge the expected performance. At the end of the day, if the strategy has a positive performance, the DAF will have earn new ETHs or BTCs so that the Net Asset Value of a DAF token would have increased. Hope it is clear?

Which kind of Investors do you seek to interest with this approach? Just ask out of curriosity based on my own experience, I trade frequently (fiat) with self developed algo, looking into the different options with enigma catalyst to extend those into crypto (for now only simple limit trading on gdax) but as I understand your offer is to use crypto funds to expose into fiat trading and eliminate crypto/fiat fluctuations.
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You write that Already now there are more than 20 trading bots in the system. Can you clarify what they are trading and in what markets are they working?

We have published in our Blackpaper our first 10 trading bots (http://blackpaper.napoleonx.ai/) to give you a flavour of what you could expect. These bots use mainly the major equity, FX and credit indices as underlyings to generate sustainable return on top of the funding in ETH or BTC. The trading style is market timing in a low-medium frequency. We should release very soon (in 2-3 weeks) our blockchained index Publisher listing those strategies and showing trading live as proof of performance.
The starting point was 10 years ago when we decided to developp such strategies and implement them into our Investment books (>4bl) in our former Professional life (asset manager in a European leading Investment company).
So how were your first 20 bots funded? How come you want to raise 6mio$ for this one? Is this just too good of opportunity to miss or you are really planing to expand so much and be a big player.

If im not mistaken after Reading the wp quite alot of the funds is to recieve regulatory license for trading. However I agree with you that the funds seeked for this Project is massive and I would realy like to see a more detailed breakdown of this. Also to understand the impact in case only half of the expected funds are granted.
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September 17, 2017, 05:35:34 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

Yes, this is a good idea, bacause that 2 minute video on the first page only summarizes the main ideas. The team could make a video going into a little bit more detail regarding trading bots and how they plan on implementing their strategies in the markets.
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NapoleonX is not a trading bot, its more Than that by far. Just read how a DAF work in the presentation and you will understand the possibility of the project. Its more like an antonomous fund. And its pretty great cause you will be able to choose between different DAF theses you want to invest for risk management. You can make huge benefit with a system like that.

Yes but I think the term trading bot makes it easier for most people to understand the system. For me too, it is much easier to understand, even after knowing that this is far more then just a trading bot, but like an army of "trading bots".  Lips sealed

Hello cantdecide,

yes we understand your points. We can even say that the project will be an army of trading bots, with several companies (in the military sense) that would be the DAF in fact: a team of selected soldiers (trading bots) sent to a fight on a specific battlefield (the market of the underlying asset). NPX token holders would be the generals and would get the flags seized from the enemies :-)


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 17, 2017, 05:41:30 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

It is simply employing computer Algorithm to be making trading decisions for you,

at the rate at which crypto space is maturing, it will be very hard for traders to make profit unless you are employing Algos
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September 17, 2017, 05:42:20 PM

NapoleonX is not a trading bot, its more Than that by far. Just read how a DAF work in the presentation and you will understand the possibility of the project. Its more like an antonomous fund. And its pretty great cause you will be able to choose between different DAF theses you want to invest for risk management. You can make huge benefit with a system like that.

Yes but I think the term trading bot makes it easier for most people to understand the system. For me too, it is much easier to understand, even after knowing that this is far more then just a trading bot, but like an army of "trading bots".  Lips sealed

I think it's still very difficult for the normal non super techie here on BTC to grasp what NaPoleonX is actually providing.
I'd suggets DEV's make a presentation in laymen terms just to simplyfy Smiley

Hello niklasmato,

If we simplify and try to keep on the military metaphor, we coud say that the project will be an army of trading bots, with several companies (in the military sense) that would be the DAF in fact: a team of selected soldiers (trading bots) sent to a fight on a specific battlefield (the market of the underlying asset). NPX token holders would be the generals and would get the flags seized from the enemies :-)
We have already developed very great trading bots, developed by Stphane and Jean-Charles when they worked at BNP. In some sense, it is like you would get tanks on your battlefield.









 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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The project developers took part in the conference in Zurich yesterday.
https://icosummit.ch/zurich-2017/napoleonx/

Photo from telegram chanel:

They do the right thing. more people should know about it

Nice addition with a Picture in this thread. Anyone from the team mind to elaborate on the feedback they recieved during the event?

Many thanks! It was a very exciting conference, well organized, which allowed us to establish nice and hopefully prolific contacts with investors! We have received lots of positive support and interest, and thus are even more confident to reach our goal together! We will release the pitch video asap, stay tuned ;-)

Great to hear that it went well. Receiving positive feedback from experts/influencers in the field would surely raise the team's morale, which will be great for the team's performance.
As someone who much prefers learning from videos rather than from reading papers, I'm very looking forward to the pitch video.

Hello helloal,
yes we will upload the video this evening or tomorrow. It will be on our youtube channel at http://youtube.napoleonx.ai.
We have JC's pitch quite close, but the sun is in front. We should get the pro version provided by the organizer, but there may be delays...






 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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September 17, 2017, 05:52:22 PM

It's hard to digest for some newbies all the stuff NaPoleonX is doing. It would be nice if team do some video presentation on it or some AMA.

It is simply employing computer Algorithm to be making trading decisions for you,

at the rate at which crypto space is maturing, it will be very hard for traders to make profit unless you are employing Algos

Exactly, in the future it will be more like normal markets where a bot is way more effective. Thats why i'm investing in several similar projects to NaPoleonX that employ bots/algo trading, that really is the future. NaPoleonX has a nice broad offering with different risk/rewards because it's not only investing in Crypto. This way you can diversity your portfolio, not putting all your eggs in one basked.  And we can get in now, unlike normal hedge funds where you need to invest a minimum of several million usually.

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