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[greyhawk]

Du hast die Punkte über dem ü vergessen in "für". 

[SLok]

Du hast die Punkte über dem ü vergessen in "für". 

Donnerwetter!

[Xian01]

I understand if you didn't have time to talk to your lawyer yet

I understood that BFL lawyer is too busy talking with other customer lawyers.

Not to put too fine a point on it, but it appears (so far) that "BFL lawyer" is too busy ignoring customer lawyers and demand letters, and looking to create more problems for themselves

 To my understanding, the system frowns upon ignoring efforts to reconcile a dispute, prior to attending court.

EDIT: Official response received through my attorney this aft. Ceasing discussing anything related to Butterfly Labs or Josh while the next stage of this dispute is being worked through. Thanks for the support everyone.

[ThatDGuy]

I am laughing hysterically... This obscene adult is being shown up by a seventeen year old who runs his business flawlessly!!!

Was jetzt Werner, du bist so still, schön ein Wiedergutmachungsschnitzel für 2 bestellt?

I don't understand German where's Werner when you need him?

[Inaba]

I am laughing hysterically... This obscene adult is being shown up by a seventeen year old who runs his business flawlessly!!!

Was jetzt Werner, du bist so still, schön ein Wiedergutmachungsschnitzel für 2 bestellt?

I don't understand German where's Werner when you need him?

Probably in the washing machine.

[boonies4u]

You will receive refunds equaling in value to your original purchase as it was priced. Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin. You cannot argue against the red truth.

[becoin]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

[ThatDGuy]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.

No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for (at the time it was ordered) when you request a refund.  That's a completely absurd expectation.

refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

EDIT: added parenthetical per k9quaint's correction

[Este Nuno]

Du hast die Punkte über dem ü vergessen in "für".  

Donnerwetter!

I guess you guys don't call people grammar nazi's there, do you?

[k9quaint]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.

No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund.  That's a completely absurd expectation.

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered.  Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.

But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

[ThatDGuy]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.

No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund.  That's a completely absurd expectation.

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered.  Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.

But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks.

[sngwinner]

I have no interest in this other than as an observer, but I can't see anyway that a refund could possibly be made in any currency other than the one it was made in. If payment was made in US Dollars through PayPal then refund then US Dollars. If payment was made in btc you should be returning bitcoins. It's not the purchasers fault that you decided to denominate your product in BTC and something happened to the exchange rate.

That is your issue to plan as a business owner. If I bought a product from Japan with US dollars and all of a sudden the dollar got a lot stronger you better believe I wouldn't accept the equivalent amount of yen my dollars purchased at the time I bought the product. That's absurd!

Either deliver the product as promised or return the BTC. It seems like the problem is BFL can't do either of these options.

[batt01]

Just noticed that the auction is no longer on ebay. I wonder if the OP got his 25k or decided to mine with it.

[ThatDGuy]

I have no interest in this other than as an observer, but I can't see anyway that a refund could possibly be made in any currency other than the one it was made in. If payment was made in US Dollars through PayPal then refund then US Dollars. If payment was made in btc you should be returning bitcoins. It's not the purchasers fault that you decided to denominate your product in BTC and something happened to the exchange rate.

That is your issue to plan as a business owner. If I bought a product from Japan with US dollars and all of a sudden the dollar got a lot stronger you better believe I wouldn't accept the equivalent amount of yen my dollars purchased at the time I bought the product. That's absurd!

Either deliver the product as promised or return the BTC. It seems like the problem is BFL can't do either of these options.

It is about fault for the purchaser: it's about not understanding opportunity costs and realistically understanding the risks involved with a highly volatile currency like BTC.

As an observer, I would ask you why the following situation would seem logical?

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

[k9quaint]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.

No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund.  That's a completely absurd expectation.

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered.  Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.

But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks.

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.

I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.

Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).

[sngwinner]

I don't get why it's so hard to deliver one Jalepeno that has been on order for several months haha. This wouldn't be a big deal if BFL could deliver their promises.

[ThatDGuy]

Markets have no mercy. You are being punished for shorting Bitcoin.

I have been punished for BFL gambling addiction. BFL customers have no control over how much will BFL decide to convert in USD and how much will they keep in Bitcoin. This % can vary and depends solely on how the merchant sets up their merchant account with BitPay. Professional traders know what is the meaning of a currency option call. This option call is free for BFL. If BTC/USD gamble is successful the profit is for BFL crooks if it is a loss then it is paid by their customers in the form of partial Bitcoin refunds.

Oh, this again.

No business selling pre-orders for ASICs is going to give you back more than the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund.  That's a completely absurd expectation.

If someone paid 300 BTC for 1 Jalapeno last June, how would it make any sense to give them back 300 BTC for their refund now, enabling them to buy ~150 Jalapenos right now?

According to you, one need refund "the value of the item you paid for when you request a refund", but BFL did not do this. They refunded the value of the item at the time it was ordered.  Especially sinister since BFL had to put twice as many chips into the Jalapeno as planned. These chips could have sold for $75 apiece.

But yes, people should have held their BTC instead of investing it in BFLs attempt to make bitcoin mining gear. People could have had dozens of Jalapenos (assuming BFL makes it through their backlog) instead of one.

Good correction, thanks.

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.

I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.

Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).

Why are you creating a whole new example?

No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order.

[QuestionAuthority]

Just noticed that the auction is no longer on ebay. I wonder if the OP got his 25k or decided to mine with it.

Yeah, I just noticed that too but the item isn't available to view like with closed auctions. It's completely removed without a trace. That usually happens when someone complains to eBay about the listing or eBay decides to remove it on their own. I saw that a few times with big actual fireworks listed on eBay.

[k9quaint]

I forgot about your severe challenges with logic. Let me illustrate how absurd your position is.

I give you $2000 of gold that you need to hold as a reserve, and in return you promise pay me the market value of the gold + $20 interest in 6 months time. 6 months passes. You do not pay. Another 6 months passes, the spot value of gold has now increased 50 fold over when the contract was first entered. You decide that instead of paying me the market value (and $20) that you promised, you will "refund" the $2000 instead of the gold. Now you sell the gold at market for a 50x profit.

Then you get sued for breach of contract and lose. Then you sue your lawyer for advising you to go to court instead of settle. Then you get herpes. (its my fact pattern I can stipulate what I want ).

Why are you creating a whole new example?

No ASIC company is going to refund 300 BTC right now if you paid 300 BTC a year ago for a pre-order.

That statement might be correct and does not conflict with any examples I have provided.
BFL will not willingly "refund" 300 BTC. They would have to be compelled to do so.

[allten]

Just noticed that the auction is no longer on ebay. I wonder if the OP got his 25k or decided to mine with it.

Yeah, I just noticed that too but the item isn't available to view like with closed auctions. It's completely removed without a trace. That usually happens when someone complains to eBay about the listing or eBay decides to remove it on their own. I saw that a few times with big actual fireworks listed on eBay.

Ebay canceled the listing not me. They want me to "verify" my account with ID because the price is much higher than anything I've ever sold to protect the buyers which is something they are good at. They also want me to prove I own the device by having the manufacture send them a receipt. They also asked why shipping would be delayed if 25K wasn't met. They couldn't understand that. This is a good thing. It gives me a chance to make a listing that doesn't rub anyone the wrong way and using Bitmit which is what I should have used in the first place.

Now, do I trust that much money sitting in escrow on Bitmit?

Mentioned in one of the answers to the questions posed on ebay, I plan to use these funds to fuel development of a 3rd party BFL chip miner.

Thanks,
      Allten