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Author Topic: Just-Dice.com : now with added CLAMs : Play or Invest  (Read 454770 times)
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January 28, 2014, 07:56:33 PM
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...  Variance is the only way the player can ever win.  Without it, he doesn't even bother playing. ...

I'd like to test this.  I bet that if you created a game that has a fixed guaranteed return of -1% that people would still play.  For every bitcoin wagered 0.99 bitcoins is returned.

How about it Dooglus.  Can you create a site that is not only provably fair but deterministic.  In that you know exactly your return before you wager.

Gambling is an activity that is against the gamblers own financial interest.  Would that tendency to gamble away money work if there was no way to win.  I guess it wouldn't be gambling then.

Try it see what happens.

The easiest way to test this would be to allow Just-Dice players to bet at 100%.  That has a payout of 0.99x, and is exactly what you're describing.

I wouldn't want the 'max chance' button to go there though, because that's just rude.  But I could allow players to type 100 into the chance box and accept the box.  It doesn't feel right though to give them no chance of winning, and I also really don't see why anyone (who understood it) would play.

Gamblers understand that a 49.5% chance of doubling their money is slightly less than fair, but it's close enough to fair that they're willing to take the chance.  But who wpuld ever accept a guaranteed loss of 1%?
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January 28, 2014, 08:49:35 PM
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Well in my case I was doing a martingale and was not paying attention when I accidentally typed the same sum in twice in the box which happened to be just under my total amount of coins. I couldn't even believe my eyes when I saw my account balance. Just gambled my entire balance on one 30% chance hit and won. This time my stupidity rewarded me pretty well.
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January 29, 2014, 12:49:47 AM
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...  Variance is the only way the player can ever win.  Without it, he doesn't even bother playing. ...

I'd like to test this.  I bet that if you created a game that has a fixed guaranteed return of -1% that people would still play.  For every bitcoin wagered 0.99 bitcoins is returned.

How about it Dooglus.  Can you create a site that is not only provably fair but deterministic.  In that you know exactly your return before you wager.

Gambling is an activity that is against the gamblers own financial interest.  Would that tendency to gamble away money work if there was no way to win.  I guess it wouldn't be gambling then.

Try it see what happens.

The easiest way to test this would be to allow Just-Dice players to bet at 100%.  That has a payout of 0.99x, and is exactly what you're describing.

I wouldn't want the 'max chance' button to go there though, because that's just rude.  But I could allow players to type 100 into the chance box and accept the box.  It doesn't feel right though to give them no chance of winning, and I also really don't see why anyone (who understood it) would play.

Gamblers understand that a 49.5% chance of doubling their money is slightly less than fair, but it's close enough to fair that they're willing to take the chance.  But who wpuld ever accept a guaranteed loss of 1%?

I should offer this service. Send me 1.00 BTC, I send you back .99. Heck, send me 1 BTC and it's already a gamble that I send back anything...

There's more to the earlier post below if you want to click.
I'll add a conclusion to my post: gamblers like variance. People buy lottery tickets not because the house edge is 50%, but because there is miniscule chance of millionaire status. The more you bet, the more you reduce variance. If I have 10,000BTC and bet it once on double my money, 49.5% chance I double my money. If I bet 1000000 0.01 BTC bets, the variance is gone and payout approaches the house edge, I might as well be sending 10000 BTC to a site that pays 9900 back.
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January 29, 2014, 11:34:13 AM
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KLYE loses all his BTC, essentially shipwrecking himself..

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January 29, 2014, 11:42:44 AM
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whats up with the site ?
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January 29, 2014, 11:49:21 AM
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whats up with the site ?
what happen to just-dice I have my investments for long time and today suddenly this site is not working where gone

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January 29, 2014, 11:49:58 AM
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i heard dooglus got arrested

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January 29, 2014, 11:50:47 AM
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i heard dooglus got arrested
if its a joke then very bad and if its reality then more bad  Angry

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January 29, 2014, 11:51:20 AM
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i heard dooglus got arrested

yea thats what i heard too
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January 29, 2014, 11:53:46 AM
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Dooglus did NOT get arrested.

This is FUD started by the morons over at speedbet.

This outage was caused by me losing my BTC tonight..
My Sadness manifested as a DDoS and knocked the site off line.

Sorry guys. :/


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January 29, 2014, 12:27:25 PM
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haha if dooglus get arrested why is doge-dice running ?
doge-lus isn't dooglus ? LOL Cheesy

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January 29, 2014, 12:30:53 PM
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Dooglus did NOT get arrested.

This is FUD started by the morons over at speedbet.

This outage was caused by me losing my BTC tonight..
My Sadness manifested as a DDoS and knocked the site off line.

Sorry guys. :/

lol KYLE  Grin
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January 29, 2014, 01:33:29 PM
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I asked loooong ago what would happen if :
- Doog got killed
- Doog got arrested
- Doog got 10 people with guns asking for the cold wallet (and rapping his wife)

I really want to know what's the plan B ? and C.
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January 29, 2014, 01:39:38 PM
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I asked loooong ago what would happen if :
- Doog got killed
- Doog got arrested
- Doog got 10 people with guns asking for the cold wallet (and rapping his wife)

I really want to know what's the plan B ? and C.
its could be happen because he is very wealthy person by holding big bankroll of just dice

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January 29, 2014, 01:40:46 PM
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I asked loooong ago what would happen if :
- Doog got killed
- Doog got arrested
- Doog got 10 people with guns asking for the cold wallet (and rapping his wife)

I really want to know what's the plan B ? and C.

Dead man's switch is built into the site..

If doog doesn't reset it daily essentially the site sends back balances to the emergency addresses... Or so I heard


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January 29, 2014, 01:41:10 PM
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Dooglus did NOT get arrested.

This is FUD started by the morons over at speedbet.

This outage was caused by me losing my BTC tonight..
My Sadness manifested as a DDoS and knocked the site off line.

Sorry guys. :/

Can't you stop that shit? From your signature I understand that you are an investor, and therefore should want others to play.
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January 29, 2014, 01:45:48 PM
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I asked loooong ago what would happen if :
- Doog got killed
- Doog got arrested
- Doog got 10 people with guns asking for the cold wallet (and rapping his wife)
I really want to know what's the plan B ? and C.
Dead man's switch is built into the site..
If doog doesn't reset it daily essentially the site sends back balances to the emergency addresses... Or so I heard

Right, that's for the dead man scenario. It is great solution.

What about the 2 others ?
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January 29, 2014, 02:04:33 PM
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Site looks down to me, do we have an estimate on when it will be up again?

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January 29, 2014, 02:07:22 PM
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Dead man's switch is built into the site..

If doog doesn't reset it daily essentially the site sends back balances to the emergency addresses... Or so I heard
Sorry for my English.
But if the server and therefore site is going down, the switch will not work.
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Assuming Deb isn't a made-up persona, I believe she has access to the money as well.
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