⚡[ANN] TOKENPAY ⚡ SCAMMED 1 MILLION $ FROM BOUNTY AND REFERRAL PROGRAM ⚡

[jamalaezaz]

@jamalaezaz

Have you always been bounty manager without signing contract?

Are you always bounty manager by using skype chat only?

sometime I sign agreement. some time not.

So if you did not sign an agreement but you got bounty participants to waste time in this project, what are you now going to do to help them?

I don't know.. maybe we just forget our money and move on. that's what we've been doing from so many other scams. or you have a better sulotion.

[JollyGood]

@jamalaezaz

Have you always been bounty manager without signing contract?

Are you always bounty manager by using skype chat only?

sometime I sign agreement. some time not.

So if you did not sign an agreement but you got bounty participants to waste time in this project, what are you now going to do to help them?

I don't know.. maybe we just forget our money and move on. that's what we've been doing from so many other scams. or you have a better sulotion.

Here is what I wrote earlier:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2400499.msg47670518#msg47670518


@jamalaezaz - can you explain what written/signed contract you had with TokenPay? Can you screenshot it and upload it here?

When you say you have no plan to move on without payment, nobody is going to pay you anything "unconditionally" so you need to explain which lawyer you spoke to and what was the fee he asked for and what exactly was he going to do to get legal action started?

You should be more ACTIVE here and try to do something. You did not reply to my post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2400499.msg47395675#msg47395675

Yes I have a possible solution. Look two people have said they are willing to help pay legal fees if you manage to get them to go to court. Send out emails to all your participants that were ripped off and seek investment. Look for a genuine well trusted person here that will act as escrow. If the target cannot be reached then the donations will not be sent but if enough people commit then they can all send to the escrow.

I am sure if litigation documents were served they would settle out of court because it would bring them very bad PR and they would rather pay what they owe you and continue with their project. Do not let these TokenPay scammers deceive you and the bounty participants.

The law firm asking 3 BTC in advance cannot be trusted because any reputable firm would ask for FIAT. Please search around and ask another law firm for an estimated fee if they helped. Try to arrange a deal where they take a percentage of the outstanding TPay tokens instead

You were the bounty manager so you have responsibility to do whatever it takes to safeguard the bounty participants. Sadly you are doing nothing.

[rumax]

In order for participants to unite, you need to at least see how much they should receive as a result, as I remember, the rates were not calculated and the form is closed for viewing. Secondly, you must have proof that you have entered into any contracts or agreements with the managers of Tokenpay in order to appeal this unfulfilled agreement through lawyers!

The stakes were calculated, and each participant could see how much he earned. But the forms are closed for viewing now. I suppose that jamalaezaz does not have access in order to make it publicly available.

for some reason, I can't open the spreadsheet. but I have full access to that..

In order for participants to unite, you need to at least see how much they should receive as a result, as I remember, the rates were not calculated and the form is closed for viewing. Secondly, you must have proof that you have entered into any contracts or agreements with the managers of Tokenpay in order to appeal this unfulfilled agreement through lawyers!

The stakes were calculated, and each participant could see how much he earned. But the forms are closed for viewing now. I suppose that jamalaezaz does not have access in order to make it publicly available.

What is stopping him showing the contract he had with TokenPay?

there was no any written contract between me and tokenpay. all agreement was done verbally and via Skype Chat. which I've showed in first post of this thread.

Then it makes no sense to continue this discussion, because We can not get anything from them legally. The maximum that bounty participants can do is to spoil the reputation of the project by publishing negative articles, otherwise they are powerless!

[Sanitough]

In order for participants to unite, you need to at least see how much they should receive as a result, as I remember, the rates were not calculated and the form is closed for viewing. Secondly, you must have proof that you have entered into any contracts or agreements with the managers of Tokenpay in order to appeal this unfulfilled agreement through lawyers!

The stakes were calculated, and each participant could see how much he earned. But the forms are closed for viewing now. I suppose that jamalaezaz does not have access in order to make it publicly available.

for some reason, I can't open the spreadsheet. but I have full access to that..

In order for participants to unite, you need to at least see how much they should receive as a result, as I remember, the rates were not calculated and the form is closed for viewing. Secondly, you must have proof that you have entered into any contracts or agreements with the managers of Tokenpay in order to appeal this unfulfilled agreement through lawyers!

The stakes were calculated, and each participant could see how much he earned. But the forms are closed for viewing now. I suppose that jamalaezaz does not have access in order to make it publicly available.

What is stopping him showing the contract he had with TokenPay?

there was no any written contract between me and tokenpay. all agreement was done verbally and via Skype Chat. which I've showed in first post of this thread.

Then it makes no sense to continue this discussion, because We can not get anything from them legally. The maximum that bounty participants can do is to spoil the reputation of the project by publishing negative articles, otherwise they are powerless!

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

[JollyGood]

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

Then that mean the bounty manager was incompetent and he should make some compensation to the bounty participants

[jamalaezaz]

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

Then that mean the bounty manager was incompetent and he should make some compensation to the bounty participants

no, that doesn't mean that.. Bounty manager has done his job. Payment was never part of bounty management job. Our job was to manage the bounty program make sure bounty hunters working and calculate the spreadsheet.. and I've done all of them. it was clear from day one that Bounty manager has no responsibility for any kind of tokens. everyone knew that the tokens are in hand of project owners. they joined on their own risk.

[JollyGood]

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

Then that mean the bounty manager was incompetent and he should make some compensation to the bounty participants

no, that doesn't mean that.. Bounty manager has done his job. Payment was never part of bounty management job. Our job was to manage the bounty program make sure bounty hunters working and calculate the spreadsheet.. and I've done all of them. it was clear from day one that Bounty manager has no responsibility for any kind of tokens. everyone knew that the tokens are in hand of project owners. they joined on their own risk.

Your statement above has actually shocked me.

Well in that case you should at least make that known to any other project you work as bounty manager on so participants will decide if they want to take the risk knowing you will not fight for them or protect them any problem arises.

[rumax]

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

Then that mean the bounty manager was incompetent and he should make some compensation to the bounty participants

no, that doesn't mean that.. Bounty manager has done his job. Payment was never part of bounty management job. Our job was to manage the bounty program make sure bounty hunters working and calculate the spreadsheet.. and I've done all of them. it was clear from day one that Bounty manager has no responsibility for any kind of tokens. everyone knew that the tokens are in hand of project owners. they joined on their own risk.

You yourself created this problem, since you did not count the tables yourself, but delegated it to an incompetent person, there were also problems with the translators. In fact, because of this, the stakes were not counted for such a long time, and most likely the Tokenpay team did not want to cooperate with you, like most of the participants who worked with you before!

[JollyGood]

no, that doesn't mean that.. Bounty manager has done his job. Payment was never part of bounty management job. Our job was to manage the bounty program make sure bounty hunters working and calculate the spreadsheet.. and I've done all of them. it was clear from day one that Bounty manager has no responsibility for any kind of tokens. everyone knew that the tokens are in hand of project owners. they joined on their own risk.

You yourself created this problem, since you did not count the tables yourself, but delegated it to an incompetent person, there were also problems with the translators. In fact, because of this, the stakes were not counted for such a long time, and most likely the Tokenpay team did not want to cooperate with you, like most of the participants who worked with you before!

I am not impressed with jamalaezaz. I have gone through the his accusation thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2728591.msg36393945

And overlooked the skype chats in the OP and can say jamalaezaz is to blame for allowing this situation to get this far.

Today on CMC each Tpay is worth $1.62 so the 110,000 Tpay that jamalaezaz has failed to secure is worth around $178,200 in total.

However if the Tpay reaches it ATH of $9.57 in April 2018 than the outstanding amount will be over $1 million.

jamalaezaz since you were the bounty manager you let the participants down and you cannot even think of how to try to protect their interests, you blamed everybody from Derek Capo from TokenPay to FruitsBasket I think it is time for you retire from the bounty business.

You have betrayed the bounty participants that signed up because of your announcements and invitations. You are not trustworthy.

[jamalaezaz]

I agree, I think most of the bounty has no legal binding and despite that reality, we still participate because we value the trust and believe
that the project we are participating will maintain their good reputation, but with Tokenpay, it's different, they do not even communicate to the community in order to solve this problem.

Then that mean the bounty manager was incompetent and he should make some compensation to the bounty participants

no, that doesn't mean that.. Bounty manager has done his job. Payment was never part of bounty management job. Our job was to manage the bounty program make sure bounty hunters working and calculate the spreadsheet.. and I've done all of them. it was clear from day one that Bounty manager has no responsibility for any kind of tokens. everyone knew that the tokens are in hand of project owners. they joined on their own risk.

You yourself created this problem, since you did not count the tables yourself, but delegated it to an incompetent person, there were also problems with the translators. In fact, because of this, the stakes were not counted for such a long time, and most likely the Tokenpay team did not want to cooperate with you, like most of the participants who worked with you before!

counting of the tables was finished on time.. if they did not start the wallet collection issue and paid the tokens to everyone's email addresses which was agreed on the beginning , they could've done this. but just to delay it more and more they started excuse of wallets. (see first post for screenshots)

jamalaezaz since you were the bounty manager you let the participants down and you cannot even think of how to try to protect their interests,

how can you say I didn't think or didn't try? I did my best. and BTW. I've repeated this a lot of time before.. why you keep repeating the same thing?.

you blamed everybody from Derek Capo from TokenPay to FruitsBasket I think it is time for you retire from the bounty business.

I didn't blame anyone for no reason. I gave the reasons. I did mistakes and I've been blamed too.  and sorry but I am not gonna retire soon.. I did my job well. paying to participants or protecting their tokens is not part of management.

You have betrayed the bounty participants that signed up because of your announcements and invitations. You are not trustworthy.

I did not betray anyone.. I did not have control over funds. it was clear and known by anyone. people signed up on their own behalf. not because of me. I always said to anyone that joins a bounty program with your own risk. not because some known person is a manager.

next time. I'll answer something new.. I can't repeat the same thing again and again.

I asked you about those 2 people wanted to support me but you didn't answer. so let me know if anyone really wants to support me in this issue instead of keeping repeating the same thing.. I still want to do everything to recover the funds. but I can't do that alone.

[Dimosscolorist]

I hoped that we could protect our rights, the rights of hunters. But judging by what is written above, I see that it is hopeless. jamalaezaz decided to just jump from this.  jamalaezaz, did you at least try to send letters to the participants in an attempt to raise a storm against this injustice? You're the manager, you can't be so gentle!

[JollyGood]

I hoped that we could protect our rights, the rights of hunters. But judging by what is written above, I see that it is hopeless. jamalaezaz decided to just jump from this.  jamalaezaz, did you at least try to send letters to the participants in an attempt to raise a storm against this injustice? You're the manager, you can't be so gentle!

Well I told jamalaezaz  to find a lawyer that would work on a no-win no-fee basis or a lower rate than the 3 BTC that jamalaezaz was quoted.

jamalaezaz never replied to my post.

[Dimosscolorist]

I hoped that we could protect our rights, the rights of hunters. But judging by what is written above, I see that it is hopeless. jamalaezaz decided to just jump from this.  jamalaezaz, did you at least try to send letters to the participants in an attempt to raise a storm against this injustice? You're the manager, you can't be so gentle!

Well I told jamalaezaz  to find a lawyer that would work on a no-win no-fee basis or a lower rate than the 3 BTC that jamalaezaz was quoted.

jamalaezaz never replied to my post.

I feel that jamalaezaz wants to fix this.
But apparently he understands that it will not be easy and that it will be necessary to spend time and money. And for this, he is more inclined to just, forget and go on.

[JollyGood]

I feel that jamalaezaz wants to fix this. But apparently he understands that it will not be easy and that it will be necessary to spend time and money. And for this, he is more inclined to just, forget and go on.

The bounty manager jamalaezaz claims that the lawyer in the USA wants 3 BTC to start work on the case. He never gave any indication of what more the lawyer might ask for as time goes by.

I advised jamalaezaz to find a lawyer that will work for a commission on a no-win no-fee basis but jamalaezaz did not post a response.

[armaggedon]

lol.
lawyer? then 3btc payment? 12k usd? i smell another scam
and wtf? did any ICO that run away got jailed?
just move on -.-

[Ipwich]

lol.
lawyer? then 3btc payment? 12k usd? i smell another scam
and wtf? did any ICO that run away got jailed?
just move on -.-

Although it's hard to move on but it seems your idea is right, we will never get what we want in a legal way.
What we can do best now is to educate the community about this project and how they scammed people after they benefited on the job done.

[JollyGood]

lol.
lawyer? then 3btc payment? 12k usd? i smell another scam
and wtf? did any ICO that run away got jailed?
just move on -.-

Although it's hard to move on but it seems your idea is right, we will never get what we want in a legal way.
What we can do best now is to educate the community about this project and how they scammed people after they benefited on the job done.

jamalaezaz  should take ownership because he was the project manager.

He should find a lawyer that will work on a no-win no-fee basis and jamalaezaz

jamalaezaz should apologise to all bounty participants for not getting a written contract with Tokenpay. A lot of this mess is because of incompetence by jamalaezaz

[D1jay]

Yes i also feels this is lesson to him and other bounty manager's as well, as mentioned above there should have been a written statement or agreement between the parties and if possible get a down payment otherwise no deal, it is very easy for this project scammers to use bounty guys then refuse to up because no guiding rules in this regard. It is sad.

[Dimosscolorist]

lol.
lawyer? then 3btc payment? 12k usd? i smell another scam
and wtf? did any ICO that run away got jailed?
just move on -.-

Although it's hard to move on but it seems your idea is right, we will never get what we want in a legal way.
What we can do best now is to educate the community about this project and how they scammed people after they benefited on the job done.

jamalaezaz  should take ownership because he was the project manager.

He should find a lawyer that will work on a no-win no-fee basis and jamalaezaz

jamalaezaz should apologise to all bounty participants for not getting a written contract with Tokenpay. A lot of this mess is because of incompetence by jamalaezaz

Enough time has passed since this scam was committed. And there was no initiation of any normal actions to punish these scammers. And I already doubt that something will happen here in this direction. Unfortunately

[JollyGood]

lol.
lawyer? then 3btc payment? 12k usd? i smell another scam
and wtf? did any ICO that run away got jailed?
just move on -.-

Although it's hard to move on but it seems your idea is right, we will never get what we want in a legal way.
What we can do best now is to educate the community about this project and how they scammed people after they benefited on the job done.

jamalaezaz  should take ownership because he was the project manager.

He should find a lawyer that will work on a no-win no-fee basis and jamalaezaz

jamalaezaz should apologise to all bounty participants for not getting a written contract with Tokenpay. A lot of this mess is because of incompetence by jamalaezaz

Enough time has passed since this scam was committed. And there was no initiation of any normal actions to punish these scammers. And I already doubt that something will happen here in this direction. Unfortunately

I agree with you but jamalaezaz has to take the blame for this debacle. His relationship with Derek Capo and Tokenpay on the skype images and his problem with Fruitsbasket shows jamalaezaz was culpable too.

Add to that jamalaezaz getting a 3 BTC quotation from a lawyer when he could have searched around for a cheaper one or find a no-win no-fee lawyer instead.

jamalaezaz has to foot most of the blame because he has not been 100% open with everybody either. He lays the blame with Derek Capo from Tokenpay and Fruitsbasket but claims to be 100% innocent himself and that just is not true.

Did Derek Capo and Tokenpay have a right to be concerned about fake bounty participants that might have belonged to jamalaezaz?

Did jamalaezaz satisfy Derek Capo and Tokenpay by allowing an audit?

Why did jamalaezaz insist on getting his payment upfront before allowing an audit?

Did any audit actually take place before Derek Capo and Tokenpay pulled the plug?