Why do you believe God exists?

[BADecker]

. But science judges things by vast majorities. One great example is evolution.....<snip blah blah blah.. same old.. same old....>
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wrong thread dude.

While I don't know the exact number, it might be something like 1 in 10 to the 40th power. But it could easily be more. Might be fun researching. If it doesn't happen once in 10 to the fortieth power of happenings, it is impossible.

Again, I don't know what the number is any more, and it doesn't mean that it is absolutely impossible. It's just that there is a limit in the odds where science generally considers it impossible.

In all the examinations of evolution, there has not been one proven evolution example. In fact, evolution theory is designed for evolution failure, in the way it is designed.

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[Astargath]

As I said in another post, you aren't required to accept proof, or to state that you do if you do.

As I said many times, you can make as many assumptions as you want, it doesn't mean they are real. Saying ''therefore something outside the universe made it'' doesn't mean it's true since you have no evidence of it.

Except that such is what the universe shows us all over the place. Nothing in the universe makes itself spontaneously without something else making it. And the "something else" isn't the thing that it makes. This entirely means that something that is not the universe or of the universe made it. Since we don't seem to have a scientific clue about what made the universe other than some science theory, it's something outside the universe, because if it were in the universe, we would have at least a few clues.

Science agrees with that in big bang theory. I don't have to prove it. Science already does. Wanna know more? Research BB. Or hit the religions if you like the "God" idea better.

''Nothing in the universe makes itself spontaneously without something else making it.'' How do you know? Do you know how everything is made in the universe?

You see? That's the thing about science and the universe. We don't really know anything in the universe 100%. But science judges things by vast majorities. One great example is evolution.

We see countless number of living things that we can prove exist and change by adaptation, like-begets-like, and simple change. But we don't even have one proven example of evolution... proven because we know that it was evolution and not adaptation, like-begets-like, and/or simple change.

Science is wise in this respect. They leave evolution in the theory category. It's a bunch of talkers, hopefuls, the moneymakers, and media who have kept evolution alive as a theory, when it should have been dropped long ago, or even never elevated to theory status.

The whole evolution thing is, itself, proving that it is stupid, and is proving God thereby. Or do you have something else...

Didn't answer the question. How do you know everything is made by something and not spontaneously appearing.

Well, since I answered the questions many times over for you, and essentially proved it to you, should I supply the links? Should I re-post it all? Should I say it again?

You really need to get out there and do your own research.

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

[BADecker]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

[Astargath]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

[kriscamp]

I believe in God, because every painting is painted by someone. If a canvas will be on a malbert for a 10000 years, painting won't be made out of nowhere) For me its more not about God, but how unique our souls are. I am the only one, no person feels the way I feel, or thinks exactly the same thing I think about. In my opinion I was created for a bigger reason and thats why I believe in God

[BADecker]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

[Astargath]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

Because if you have a sample of 2 million people and you find 2 of them to have cancer you wouldn't think the rest also have cancer just because 2 of them do, would you?

This is the same, if the universe contains trillions and trillions of different objects but you only know the cause of 0.000000000001% of them, it doesn't logically follow that the rest also need causes. It's statistically just not correct. How do you know different parts of the universe don't have different physical laws? You said that yourself once, seems like you don't remember heh.

[White Christmas]

I believe in God, because every painting is painted by someone. If a canvas will be on a malbert for a 10000 years, painting won't be made out of nowhere) For me its more not about God, but how unique our souls are. I am the only one, no person feels the way I feel, or thinks exactly the same thing I think about. In my opinion I was created for a bigger reason and thats why I believe in God

In fact, there are to types of people, the one who believed that god exist and doesn't. Mostly those who dont believe are a scientist and they only believed what science says, to see is to believe is their motto. I do believe in God for I have faith in him. I dont need to see God just to prove that he exist, everything in this world was a big proof that he really exist.

[BADecker]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

Because if you have a sample of 2 million people and you find 2 of them to have cancer you wouldn't think the rest also have cancer just because 2 of them do, would you?

This is the same, if the universe contains trillions and trillions of different objects but you only know the cause of 0.000000000001% of them, it doesn't logically follow that the rest also need causes. It's statistically just not correct. How do you know different parts of the universe don't have different physical laws? You said that yourself once, seems like you don't remember heh.

Sounds like you like science fiction.   

[Coinifyx]

Of course I exist, now stop questioning my existence it makes me feel like a moloch

[Vod]

I believe in God, because every painting is painted by someone.

So who painted god?  See?  That is where your logic falls apart.

I no longer believe in hope for you brainwashed people.  You have ignored global warming thinking your sky fairy will pick up after you, and you have destroyed the human race. 

Pray about that.   

[Brandonkimm]

I always believe in our God Almighty, if you don't, then to whom would you believe?

[af_newbie]

I always believe in our God Almighty, if you don't, then to whom would you believe?

Whichever God you want to believe, for example, Bruce Almighty?  

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Almighty

Or pick from any 3000+ Gods humans invented over the years.  You have a choice.

I personally recommend HexHronoExus, prophesied in the Book of AF Newbie.  He is the real God.  All others are fake, invented by human imagination.  HexHronoExus is real, you can feel him all around you right now.

[lakrathnayaka]

Because my religion is Buddhist.We refer to the god of our books..

[Astargath]

No you didn't never did. Your only ''argument'' was saying that everything here has a cause, which is first of all not true and second of all, not enough to say everything in the universe has a cause. Planet earth is 1 among trillions of other planets, even if you knew the cause of everything here (which you don't) what makes you think everything else also has a cause?

Now you are simply being silly.

How do you know that there are trillions of other planets? That's a big guess, and almost as big of a possibly-faulty extrapolation. Besides, what does trillions of potential planets have to do with everything having a cause? Did you stop worshiping big bang theory, the supposed cause for all the planets and everything else?

Name something that doesn't have a cause. And if you say radioactive decay, don't you realize that radioactive decay wouldn't exist if there wasn't some caused material to cause radioactive decay?

Further, scientifically speaking, it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.

Why do you suddenly want to oppose science? Extend yourself through all space and time and the other dimensions to find something without a cause. Even if you find something out there somewhere, you'll be spread so thin that you'll never make it back to show anybody.

''Name something that doesn't have a cause'' Prove everything in the universe has a cause first.

'' it's in the numbers: countless things that have causes, and nothing know or found that is causeless. The odds entirely show that, scientifically speaking, there isn't anything without a cause.'' Which was exactly my point, the odds here are not in your favor, you can prove the cause of a few things here in this planet but that's 0.000000000000001% of all the things in the universe, those are not good odds.

Are you actually trying to prove that you can't think straight? When we have 200 billion billion billion causes for things here on earth, but not one thing that exists without a cause, why would you think that there are not many more things out there with causes, and something without a cause? Billions and billions to zero doesn't change. Prove it does by finding one thing that exists without a cause.

Because if you have a sample of 2 million people and you find 2 of them to have cancer you wouldn't think the rest also have cancer just because 2 of them do, would you?

This is the same, if the universe contains trillions and trillions of different objects but you only know the cause of 0.000000000001% of them, it doesn't logically follow that the rest also need causes. It's statistically just not correct. How do you know different parts of the universe don't have different physical laws? You said that yourself once, seems like you don't remember heh.

Sounds like you like science fiction.    

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

[BADecker]

Sounds like you like science fiction.    

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

[Astargath]

Sounds like you like science fiction.    

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.

[BADecker]

Sounds like you like science fiction.    

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.

Sounds like you think that just because you have the ability to think something up, that it must exist somewhere. Well, it does. In virtual form, in your head. It's called art, not science.

Show some proof for causelessness. Nothing in the universe indicates that such is even possible. The fact that we don't know that something is possible or is not possible, isn't scientific proof that it might be. Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible because of the infinite odds against it - countless trillions to zero - and, because it doesn't even make sense.

Scientifically speaking, that is proof... by the odds.

People like you would rather look at the odds against winning a lottery, and suggest that you might win it because somebody has to. The odds against causelessness are way more than those against you winning the lottery. But you like to go on to say that it might be there somewhere. Get a grip.

[Astargath]

Sounds like you like science fiction.    

It's quite easy to understand. We know at least this galaxy exists, you might know the cause of everything that is in this planet but there are still hundreds of other planets out there and millions of other objects, how do you know they have a cause?

We know through observation that some things out there have causes. The light, itself, that comes to us was caused to come by the stars and other things out there. To say it isn't is a contradiction to all astronomy.

Combine that with the knowledge we have on earth of all the multitudes of causes, and the fact that we don't have even one example of anything without a cause, and all you have is more cause and still zero spontaneity without cause.

We might have evidence that there are a few hundred other planets out there, but outside of our solar system, we still don't have proof for them. Until we actually get pictures of them, there could be other causes for the effects that lead us to believe there are other planets.

If you want to be that critical, you might as well conclude that nothing exists, and that everything that we think that exists, including our thinking and identity is all spontaneous imagination of nothing. Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness. In fact, causelessness doesn't even fit within the parameters of anything that makes sense.

Check into it.

It simply doesn't follow like that. It doesn't matter if you know the causes of objects or planets, the universe is as a whole is way different, you can't solve the problem like this, otherwise science would have done it already. We simply don't know if everything has a cause or not, you can keep claiming we do but we don't.

''Scientifically speaking there is zero causelessness'' No.

Sounds like you think that just because you have the ability to think something up, that it must exist somewhere. Well, it does. In virtual form, in your head. It's called art, not science.

Show some proof for causelessness. Nothing in the universe indicates that such is even possible. The fact that we don't know that something is possible or is not possible, isn't scientific proof that it might be. Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible because of the infinite odds against it - countless trillions to zero - and, because it doesn't even make sense.

Scientifically speaking, that is proof... by the odds.

People like you would rather look at the odds against winning a lottery, and suggest that you might win it because somebody has to. The odds against causelessness are way more than those against you winning the lottery. But you like to go on to say that it might be there somewhere. Get a grip.

''Causelessness falls into the category of scientifically impossible'' God has no cause, check mate atheists! There you go, I showed you something without a cause, hehehe.

[sirazimuth]

I always believe in our God Almighty, if you don't, then to whom would you believe?

his noodly appendage of course....