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July 08, 2013, 03:06:51 AM
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For those of you who are complaining about Butterfly Labs, I'm curious if you know any other Bitcoin ASIC manufacturers who produce mining hardware in any sort of notable quantity?

This statement is just retarded.  Its possible you are trying to start a real business, but going about it all the wrong ways

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July 08, 2013, 03:42:21 AM
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For those of you who are complaining about Butterfly Labs, I'm curious if you know any other Bitcoin ASIC manufacturers who produce mining hardware in any sort of notable quantity?

It really sounds like don't have much of an idea regarding the current mining environment.
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July 08, 2013, 03:57:04 AM
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When is the equipment being/has been purchased?

When are you expecting to receive said equipment?

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July 08, 2013, 05:12:11 AM
Last edit: July 08, 2013, 05:30:25 AM by Lab_Rat
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For those of you who are complaining about Butterfly Labs, I'm curious if you know any other Bitcoin ASIC manufacturers who produce mining hardware in any sort of notable quantity?

It really sounds like don't have much of an idea regarding the current mining environment.

I understand there are other manufacturers out there that are promising to make equipment.  But there are really only 3 companies who have produced anything that works.  Those being BFL, ASICMiner, and Avalon.  Avalon is way overpriced and far less trustworthy than either ASICMiner or Butterfly Labs.  ASICMiner has the ability to produce hardware more reliably than Butterfly Labs but they are only selling a limited amount of highly overpriced hardware.

There are 3 or so companies worth mentioning that have no hardware to show, which will be considered once they have something working to present, which if you read my announcement, I said I'd be considering other companies once they became a viable manufacturer.

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July 12, 2013, 05:56:47 PM
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For those of you who are complaining about Butterfly Labs, I'm curious if you know any other Bitcoin ASIC manufacturers who produce mining hardware in any sort of notable quantity?
ASICMINER does.

you meant new pricely AM 10Gh/s and 5Gh/s.  I think you better take look at Bitfury asic miner.
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July 12, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
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For those of you who are complaining about Butterfly Labs, I'm curious if you know any other Bitcoin ASIC manufacturers who produce mining hardware in any sort of notable quantity?
ASICMINER does.

you meant new pricely AM 10Gh/s and 5Gh/s.  I think you better take look at Bitfury asic miner.


Bitfury is the only other company I have my eye on at this time as they've made something that works and is worth it. I will be contacting them.

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July 14, 2013, 06:03:43 AM
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Hello everyone, quick update for those of you who aren't on the mailing list. I have secured the asset at BitFunder and have been in contact with Ukto. I have also been in contact with the company lawyer. He has agreed to meet with me tomorrow (yes, that's on a Sunday) to finalize the IPO details and a couple other minute things. Everything looks to be in place for the IPO to be this week. Feel free to get ahold of me if you have any questions. Also if you don't receive a reply to any email you've sent me within 12 hours, your email service likely marked the mail as spam. Check all folders for mail!!!!

P.S. To my amusement, but also being a pain in the neck. The mailing list exceeded the amount of people the mailing service can send emails to at one time. So you're now in multiple mailing lists...  Cool

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July 14, 2013, 07:30:49 PM
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Hello everyone, quick update for those of you who aren't on the mailing list. I have secured the asset at BitFunder and have been in contact with Ukto. I have also been in contact with the company lawyer. He has agreed to meet with me tomorrow (yes, that's on a Sunday) to finalize the IPO details and a couple other minute things. Everything looks to be in place for the IPO to be this week. Feel free to get ahold of me if you have any questions. Also if you don't receive a reply to any email you've sent me within 12 hours, your email service likely marked the mail as spam. Check all folders for mail!!!!

P.S. To my amusement, but also being a pain in the neck. The mailing list exceeded the amount of people the mailing service can send emails to at one time. So you're now in multiple mailing lists...  Cool


Ahahahaha the company lawyer is advising you on an unregistered sale of securities omfg caveat emptor

Just when I thought I had seen it all
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July 14, 2013, 07:54:44 PM
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Ahahahaha the company lawyer is advising you on an unregistered sale of securities omfg caveat emptor

Just when I thought I had seen it all

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July 14, 2013, 09:03:52 PM
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I say we need competition.

I guess the OP is the same as the labrat on BFL forums. can you please confirm this?
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July 14, 2013, 09:35:06 PM
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I say we need competition.

Competition is one of the most amazing market forces.

However, vague/shady securities with little few mentioned details should not be the standard held to compete with. We don't need more of those...but they will keep coming.

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July 14, 2013, 10:54:31 PM
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I say we need competition.

I guess the OP is the same as the labrat on BFL forums. can you please confirm this?

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July 14, 2013, 11:05:10 PM
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So no real company registration then...... and you are trading securities....(company shares)
Plus you are looking at BFL kit  being shipped in 2014....

Don't get me started about 'everything will be cleared by September', it is BULL, I know what my BFL order numbers are, and they STILL have not been cleared.


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July 15, 2013, 02:09:40 AM
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Yes I am the Lab_Rat from the BFL forums, you can confirm this by viewing I made the same posts there.  To those of you who say that I am giving no detail and only investing in BFL, please actually read my posts, or don't reply.  Bitfury is a major competitor at this point and I will likely be meeting with them shortly and making an equivalent purchase with them, which will provide the earliest dividends possible to investors.

Post at BFL Forums: https://forums.butterflylabs.com/bitcoin-business-directory/3712-lab-rat-data-processing-llc-labratmining-official-announcement-3.html#post47502

The asset will likely be going live tonight, given I can get ahold of Ukto.  The bonds will not be listed tonight, but rather Wednesday 7/17/2013 at 8AM Eastern Time (UTC -05:00) in full.  This will provide the opportunity for individuals to put up buy orders to secure bonds if they do not have the option to make a purchase at that time.

Everything is now finalized and ready to go 100%.

Below you will find the details listed on the asset, <url to asset once Ukto gives the go ahead>

Summary:

Bonds:
Each 1 bond of LabRatMining represents a portion of the total hashrate owned and operated by LabRatMining.

This initial amount is guaranteed to be a minimum of 100MH/s per bond, but with future installments of the company the hashrate per bond will also increase.  Depending on the speed at which the initial offering of bonds is completed, the 100MH/s estimate could raise rather quickly.

The current estimate for hashrate following the third installment of the company is over 200MH/s per bond.

Dividends:
Dividends are to be paid out weekly on Saturdays around 12 noon (Eastern Time UTC -5:00)

Dividends are to be paid out in the full amount with 0% fees (no fees for power, hosting costs, etc.)

Voting Rights:
Bondholders in LabRatMining do not have explicit voting rights, but concerns and questions will be heard and tended to.

Bondholders Terms/Benefits:
•   These bonds are not attached to any BTC exchange in any way, shape, or form and will remain in the bondholder’s possession in the event of an exchange dissolving or LabRatMining separating from that exchange.
•   No fees will be placed upon the dividends that are to be paid out to bondholders for electricity or hosting.  100% payout of the hashrate the bonds represent will be paid in full to the bondholders.
•   In the event of new technology, making this operation obsolete, an upgrade option will be presented to bondholders in an attempt to keep them valid within the mining community.  Company funds will be used to subsidize new investments.
•   We are NOT including a forced buyback policy for shares or bonds like that of many other mining companies in an attempt to scam individuals into purchasing hardware for them.
•   LabRatMining reserves the right to adjust the price and/or quantity of bonds being offered for new sale at any point in time.

Description:

Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC
LabRatMining

Official Release
Lab Rat Data Processing, LLC, a NJ company, operating under the trade name, LabRatMining is a company that will be operating as a mid to large scale miner for Bitcoins paying out dividends/returns to bondholders.  Each bond in the company represents a portion of the overall hashrate owned and managed by LabRatMining.  LabRatMining plans to expand mining operations to maintain a presence in the mining community for years to come.

Bond Structure – It is intended 100,000 bonds will be sold during the initial offering.  These bonds represent the hashrate that these machines produce rather than the hardware itself.  This allows for control of the company without taking mining profits from investors and bondholders.  Future bond offerings of the company will be funded by intended additional sales in increments of 50,000 bonds.  These bonds will be nonrefundable and non-callable as per traditional bonds.

Public Offering – 100 000 bonds will be made available to the public.  The bonds will be tiered in value beginning at 0.15BTC/bond with each consecutive 20 000 being 0.01BTC higher.
20 000 bonds @0.19BTC
20 000 bonds @0.18BTC
20 000 bonds @0.17BTC
20 000 bonds @0.16BTC
20 000 bonds @0.15BTC

This 100 000 bond count being issued during the initial sale of bonds is slightly shortened due to a few(7) initial investors who were sold bonds before the initial offering to the public, to provide proof of interest to Ukto.  These bonds are being sold initially from the bonds being offered at 0.15BTC.

These prices are first come first serve, and the prices are not guaranteed to any individual purchaser.  By placing a buy order for a mining bond, you are agreeing to all terms and conditions contained herein.  That includes that your order will be processed based upon the order in which it's received and there is no guarantee to any individual investor that they will receive any specific purchase price listed above.  Orders will be filled based upon the lowest available price of the bonds which may necessitate a particular purchase order to be divided between bonds of different values.

Dividends/Bond Value – Each bond will receive a minimum of 100MH/s* worth of mining profit in dividends/returns (all dividends are intended as contractual returns based on investments and may simply be referred to as dividends for future purposes) on a weekly basis.  The first payout will be at the end of the second full week mining.  If the entire 100 000 bond initial offering is not sold immediately, bonds will represent an equivalent portion of the processing power included in the operation at that time.  If it occurs that multiple installments of hardware are required to fulfill the public offering’s expected hardware, the earnings of each installment will begin to be paid out in dividends on the second full week of each installment.  Dividends will be paid out on Saturdays ~12 noon Eastern Time(UTC -0500.)

*Plans for Expansion – It is intended the initial sale of bonds will result in at least 10TH/s being controlled and paid out by LabRatMining on a weekly basis.  The 10TH/s current estimate is subject to increase depending on the speed at which the public offering is completed allowing for further expansion.

The next installment will be offered up in bonds at the beginning of the week following completion of the initial offering.  This set of 50,000 bonds will be put up for sale @0.25BTC/bond or market value +-5% at the time of the bonds being issued, whichever is of greater value.  This installment will add at least 15TH/s to the companies mining operation, and with it will follow an increase in dividend payout to a minimum of 166.67MH/s per bond (this may increase depending on company expansion).  This not only gives the new investors an increase in dividend payment, but gives greater benefits to the initial and early investors.

It is intended the third installment will likely mimic the second installment thereby potentially increasing the company’s total hashrate to 40+TH/s which will in turn bump the dividend payout to 200+MH/s per share.  All the forgoing and following estimates presume a fully sold out bond/contract offering and returns for mining based on certain historical data for returns of similar operations.

It is intended installments in the operation will continue to occur which will provide more value to the company as well as more value to each individual bond as the company matures.  These expansions, if they occur, will likely grow the company and our mining capacity in size which will provide further expanded payouts in the form of dividends (or increased dividends to investors).  It is currently intended a portion of the money the company receives in revenue from bond sales and mining will be used to expand the operation which will further increase dividends per bond.  It is currently intended the company will be adding to the bondholders hashrate on a regular basis as the company expands so one should expect to receive greater dividends than those explained above.

LabRatMining is in no way attached to any hardware manufacturer at this time and has not pledged to continue to host a lone company’s hardware.  If, in due time, LabRatMining decides to become affiliated with a mining hardware producer or begin developing our own technology, we reserve that right.

Initial purchases will be, and have been, placed with Butterfly Labs, Inc.  We believe they currently have the most efficient hardware hitting the market.  However with existing and new companies continually coming out with newer, better, and more efficient hardware, our company will be dedicated to purchasing what we believe to be the best available product on the market at that time.  We reserve the right to determine at that time what we believe to be the best such available products for purchase.  At this time, in addition to current technologies available, we are investigating new technologies which have recently been announced to the public by BitFury.

Why LabRatMining?
LabRatMining is offering bonds at far less cost to bondholders than almost all, if not all bond issuers.  Some are issuing bonds at 7+BTC/GH/s whereas these bonds are being offered initially between 1 and 2BTC/GH/s.  This is three to six times as profitable as AsicMiner’s Block-Erupter USB devices already and it is intended these bonds will increase in hashrate per bond over time as an additional added bonus to the purchasers (although this is not guaranteed).  Lab Rat is providing a great service to those who either can’t host the equipment they would choose to mine with, or would rather not host.  The company and its owners are taking on substantial risk in this investment and managing these devices for an extended period of time.  The company is providing a service that will allow for ~100% up-time by having measures put in place to make sure that HVAC, electricity, Internet, a private pool, and a hosting location are always available for this operation.  The company will be tending to the hardware to keep it clean and running properly.  The company shall be responsible for dealing with hardware manufacturers regarding defective units in the event of a unit failure.

•   The bonds discussed above do not represent traditional bonds, but what are commonly known as PMB’s or Perpetual Mining Bonds.  Another commonly used term is Mining Contracts.  These bonds are not traditional bonds as offered by publicly traded companies. PMB’s are actually private contracts with anticipated returns based on investments into the company.
•   This is an announcement of the company and is not a final binding document regarding the IPO.  IPO terms will be released as the bonds become available for public trade.
•   Some initial investors have been secured, but no money has changed hands at this time or will until further notice.
•   A contract is being drafted to allow for purchase of bonds using USD, rather than BTC, which will be available at the time of release.  In order to initiate such transaction, you will have to contact me via one of the listed available methods.
•   This is a privately held, nonpublicly traded company. This company and the PMB's being offered are not regulated by any governmental entities including the SEC or any other agency or board.
•   Returns on investment are not guaranteed. All investments are speculative, subject to influences beyond the company's control and are nonrefundable unless agreed to by the company.
•   All investments are at the investor’s sole risk. You should not invest if you do not understand the investment.  By purchasing a PMB or Mining Contract you are acknowledging that you understand the investment, accept the risks inherent in any investments, and specifically the risks of this investment.

Bitcoin Disclaimer -- These bonds are being purchased in Bitcoin, and all dividends are paid in Bitcoin.  The purchaser understands what Bitcoins are and that they are not guaranteed to maintain any future value or even any value at all.  LabRatMining does not guarantee any such values, nor does it guarantee the future success or stability of Bitcoins.  These bonds are totally dependent upon the value of Bitcoins and are not otherwise secured by any asset of the company or the company itself.  In the event of any devaluation or total devaluation of Bitcoins, bonds may decrease in value, including a decrease in value to 0.00BTC or any fiat currency.  In the event of such an occurrence, bondholders have no right or claim to any assets held by LabRatMining.

Feel free to contact me via PM on BitcoinTalk or Butterfly Labs forums, by E-mail (rat.in.a.lab@gmail.com or labrat@labratmining.com ), or in any chat I am present with any questions or concerns you may have with me regarding this investment, or the company as a whole, and I will get back to you in a timely manner.

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July 15, 2013, 10:04:08 AM
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Can you please detail your strategy - scenario if BFL won't be able to ship in time?
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July 15, 2013, 10:39:15 AM
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Lab_rat  what hardware have you ordered with BFL , dates on which order was placed with BFL or do you already have got some BFL hardware to mine with ?
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July 15, 2013, 12:15:48 PM
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Why the tiered nature of the initial offering?
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July 15, 2013, 04:47:47 PM
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Sorry if this has been mentioned somewhere already, but when do you plan to begin mining and what will the initial hashrate be?
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Dividends/Bond Value – Each bond will receive a minimum of 100MH/s* worth of mining profit in dividends/returns (all dividends are intended as contractual returns based on investments and may simply be referred to as dividends for future purposes) on a weekly basis.  The first payout will be at the end of the second full week mining.  If the entire 100 000 bond initial offering is not sold immediately, bonds will represent an equivalent portion of the processing power included in the operation at that time.  If it occurs that multiple installments of hardware are required to fulfill the public offering’s expected hardware, the earnings of each installment will begin to be paid out in dividends on the second full week of each installment.  Dividends will be paid out on Saturdays ~12 noon Eastern Time(UTC -0500.)

So no dividends until around early-mid 2014, then?
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July 15, 2013, 05:03:02 PM
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So this is just a glorified plan to re-sell butterfly pre-orders.

I am finding it hard to believe any investor would profit from this. By the time the mining equipment arrives and is setup, the network will likely be at a much higher difficulty.
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