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prices going up for nov?? what am i missing - at this rate based on my knowledge October will likely break ROI but not by much
Obviously if they can't move product at a certain price they will need to lower their prices but it doesn't make much sense for a company (any company) to say in stock prices will be lower than the higher risk pre-order prices. ASICMiner charges a premium ($ per GH) because their products are in stock. They can have gazillion products in stock and charge the premium of their lifetime but it's designed for the noobs since there's no way anyone can get a positive ROI with them. In addition, as time goes by, the same product should only cost less, not more since difficulty increases. ASICminer is THE premiere Bitcoin tourist trap. That's really what it is. In all fairness, AsicMiner has been reducing their prices over time. USB BE was 2BTC, then 1BTC, then .8 or .9 BTC and then finally .1BTC (for some). It just happens that AM doesn't reduce them enough for the customer to still make ROI (which makes sense from their perspective). Back on topic: Looking forward to the August deliveries (now with FOUR layers!)  |
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August 16, 2013, 05:24:28 PM |
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prices going up for nov?? what am i missing - at this rate based on my knowledge October will likely break ROI but not by much
Obviously if they can't move product at a certain price they will need to lower their prices but it doesn't make much sense for a company (any company) to say in stock prices will be lower than the higher risk pre-order prices. ASICMiner charges a premium ($ per GH) because their products are in stock. They can have gazillion products in stock and charge the premium of their lifetime but it's designed for the noobs since there's no way anyone can get a positive ROI with them. In addition, as time goes by, the same product should only cost less, not more since difficulty increases. ASICminer is THE premiere Bitcoin tourist trap. That's really what it is. In all fairness, AsicMiner has been reducing their prices over time. USB BE was 2BTC, then 1BTC, then .8 or .9 BTC and then finally .1BTC (for some). It just happens that AM doesn't reduce them enough for the customer to still make ROI (which makes sense from their perspective). Back on topic: Looking forward to the August deliveries (now with FOUR layers!) Hahahaha. Of course it makes sense from ASICMiner's perspective. That's precisely my point so in the end it doesn't matter if they have reduced their prices from ultra-ridiculously non-profitable to less-ridiculously non-profitable (for most). It's the last product on earth an informed miner would buy. |
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August 16, 2013, 07:35:02 PM |
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Its a fair question and I don't have an answer yet. We haven't had a chance to do much EM testing...we can find this out fairly soon once we are past the current production hassle.
Once I get my boards in (another epic story for another time and place), I'll run tests. It shouldn't output higher frequency emissions than the core clock frequency, which at the power level of the chip, should be safer than a cellular phone at its power levels. If anyone is really concerned, just buy some 5mil thick copper foil, solder the seams, and ground it. Will dampen 1mhz to 10ghz by ~120db. I'll test a chip at various power settings and extrapolate a multi-chip scenerio using a FDTD simu at different densities. |
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August 16, 2013, 07:48:31 PM |
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Its a fair question and I don't have an answer yet. We haven't had a chance to do much EM testing...we can find this out fairly soon once we are past the current production hassle.
Once I get my boards in (another epic story for another time and place), I'll run tests. It shouldn't output higher frequency emissions than the core clock frequency, which at the power level of the chip, should be safer than a cellular phone at its power levels. If anyone is really concerned, just buy some 5mil thick copper foil, solder the seams, and ground it. Will dampen 1mhz to 10ghz by ~120db. I'll test a chip at various power settings and extrapolate a multi-chip scenerio using a FDTD simu at different densities. Awesome, thanks! I have to work in a space with 400 - 500 of these things...I'd like to know too. |
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August 16, 2013, 07:59:23 PM |
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Hmm, im about to register faradaycagesforbitcoinminers.com
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August 16, 2013, 08:00:28 PM |
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***CHIPS IN STOCK NOW*** I've received 5,200 chips in trays of 270. I can sell them for 1BTC/chip as samples. Since chip price is now pegged to BTC, I'm trying to figure the best way to put them up on the store without extensive hacking of the store code. In any case if you want chips, you can email sales@megabigpower.com with Qty Requested and Shipping Address. We'll invoice you for the number of chips you want. Meantime I'll try to get something up on the store. Remaining stock: 4900 Yvonne has graciously agreed to NO MINIMUM QTY. That's right - you can order a single chip, or two if you want to make matching earrings. Cheers, Dave |
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August 16, 2013, 08:02:04 PM |
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Its a fair question and I don't have an answer yet. We haven't had a chance to do much EM testing...we can find this out fairly soon once we are past the current production hassle.
Once I get my boards in (another epic story for another time and place), I'll run tests. It shouldn't output higher frequency emissions than the core clock frequency, which at the power level of the chip, should be safer than a cellular phone at its power levels. If anyone is really concerned, just buy some 5mil thick copper foil, solder the seams, and ground it cover a jock strap with it. Will dampen 1mhz to 10ghz by ~120db. I'll test a chip at various power settings and extrapolate a multi-chip scenerio using a FDTD simu at different densities. Awesome, thanks! I have to work in a space with 400 - 500 of these things...I'd like to know too. There, problem solved! |
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August 16, 2013, 08:37:55 PM |
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***CHIPS IN STOCK NOW***
NO MINIMUM QTY. That's right - you can order a single chip, or two if you want to make matching earrings.
Awesome news! Thanks Dave! |
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August 16, 2013, 10:06:15 PM |
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We sent two team members to China. One went to the factory to test the first new units coming off the line on Monday. Niko went to another fab in China to open up a new supply chain. We expect this to give us some overlap and assurances in terms of product supply for October and beyond.
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August 16, 2013, 10:19:56 PM |
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We sent two team members to China. One went to the factory to test the first new units coming off the line on Monday. Niko went to another fab in China to open up a new supply chain. We expect this to give us some overlap and assurances in terms of product supply for October and beyond.
Thank Dave for good news |
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August 16, 2013, 10:30:51 PM |
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and that is how you handle supply chain issues.......keep at it guys.
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Tired of substandard power distribution in your ASIC setup??? Chris' Custom Cablez will get you sorted out right! No job too hard so PM me for a quote
Check my products or ask a question here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=74397.0
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August 16, 2013, 10:47:33 PM |
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I also see a hosting placeholder has hit the store. Dave do to know what the price might be ?
My calculation if the 100Th mine is for 250 full rigs, at under $5000/month data centre hosting.
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August 16, 2013, 10:54:05 PM |
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Good News ! when will the Aug. starter kit being shipped?
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August 17, 2013, 12:30:26 AM |
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Its a fair question and I don't have an answer yet. We haven't had a chance to do much EM testing...we can find this out fairly soon once we are past the current production hassle.
Once I get my boards in (another epic story for another time and place), I'll run tests. It shouldn't output higher frequency emissions than the core clock frequency, which at the power level of the chip, should be safer than a cellular phone at its power levels. If anyone is really concerned, just buy some 5mil thick copper foil, solder the seams, and ground it. Will dampen 1mhz to 10ghz by ~120db. I'll test a chip at various power settings and extrapolate a multi-chip scenerio using a FDTD simu at different densities. Awesome, thanks! I have to work in a space with 400 - 500 of these things...I'd like to know too. At least you won't have to turn on the light when you get home - your warm glow will light up the room  |
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August 17, 2013, 12:41:48 AM |
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I also see a hosting placeholder has hit the store. Dave do to know what the price might be ?
My calculation if the 100Th mine is for 250 full rigs, at under $5000/month data centre hosting.
I'm working hard to figure out what capacity I can spare for a hosted offer for customers in the store. Right now I have one datacenter totally full with 100TH (now 200TH), and a new center in the works that will have 1PH capacity (1mW power). The new center will take 3 - 4 months to get done. I'm planning to reserve space in that center for a hosting option for units sold in the store. |
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August 17, 2013, 01:15:15 AM |
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Damn you guys dream big. |
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August 17, 2013, 01:27:58 AM |
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1PH capacity (1mW power).
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August 17, 2013, 01:38:48 AM |
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Just got my Spottswood Bitfury open case - and it's sitting there just begging to have an August starter kit installed in it...
I'll try to post some photos tomorrow.
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August 17, 2013, 02:43:25 AM |
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Damn you guys dream big. In half a years time a TH/S will be the minimum that a serious miner will need. And it will cost maybe 2000 bucks? Equivalent or less than a high end GPU miner. |
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August 17, 2013, 02:47:44 AM |
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In half a years time a TH/S will be the minimum that a serious miner will need. And it will cost maybe 2000 bucks? Equivalent or less than a high end GPU miner.
Exactly. The 400GH/s order I have in with BitFury will be my last ASIC purchase until 1TH/s become available. |
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