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[Xian01]

Order #51x seems so far away... Very exciting to see stuff shipping out !
Major kudos to Dave, and everyone involved with the BitFury project !

   that order for Oct delivery.

 ... you don't say.

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[DrJoeGrine]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

[arorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

[DrJoeGrine]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p

Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair.

[arorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p

Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair.

Of course it'd be awesome for you and I wouldn't mind at all as long as August customers would get a proportionate refund since they invested for a 2-month difference. However, I don't think Bitfury would do that or that's how a business practice should be. We didn't pay the difference just to have "enough time." I think the industry in general should be defined in "no earlier than X, no later than Y" timeframes to keep it fair since it's based on an advertised  timeframe (+/- a few days) investment. 11 grand is 11 grand and it definitely affects ROI.

[tom99]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

   I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong.

[DrJoeGrine]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p

Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair.

Of course it'd be awesome for you and I wouldn't mind at all as long as August customers would get a proportionate refund since they invested for a 2-month difference. However, I don't think Bitfury would do that or that's how a business practice should be. We didn't pay the difference just to have "enough time." I think the industry in general should be defined in "no earlier than X, no later than Y" timeframes to keep it fair since it's based on an advertised  timeframe (+/- a few days) investment. 11 grand is 11 grand and it definitely affects ROI.

I agree with you for the most part but I don't think you paid extra to have two months of mining before more would ship. I think you paid extra for August delivery, by the end of August as the deadline, it could have been sooner except for the fab snafu. We paid for Oct delivery with a deadline of Oct 31st, but sooner is a possibility.

[arorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium. Pretty simple. :p

Understandable that you want to protect your investment from the diff from our Oct orders, you did pay a premium. But hopefully getting in early Oct would be awesome and still provide you August orders enough time. By end of Oct is the goal as a deadline but early to mid Oct would be awesome and still fair.

Of course it'd be awesome for you and I wouldn't mind at all as long as August customers would get a proportionate refund since they invested for a 2-month difference. However, I don't think Bitfury would do that or that's how a business practice should be. We didn't pay the difference just to have "enough time." I think the industry in general should be defined in "no earlier than X, no later than Y" timeframes to keep it fair since it's based on an advertised  timeframe (+/- a few days) investment. 11 grand is 11 grand and it definitely affects ROI.

I agree with you for the most part but I don't think you paid extra to have two months of mining before more would ship. I think you paid extra for August delivery, by the end of August as the deadline, it could have been sooner except for the fab snafu. We paid for Oct delivery with a deadline of Oct 31st, but sooner is a possibility.

I don't think that's how it works. Both products are delivered by the same company and offered at the same time to compare. Hence, investment decisions are not made in the vacuum. You pick either the gold or the platinum product just like any other company providing various offerings whose trade-offs are incorporated and reflected in their pricing and terms difference.

[Soros Shorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

   I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong.

$19,250 to be exact.

The premium over Oct delivery is $19,250 - $8,000 = $11,250.

Looks like we paid too much as it would take about 6 weeks to make up this premium. However, had the current difficulty turned out to be little lower the tables would have been turned completely.

[DrJoeGrine]

I will concede my argument. Either way I am finally happy with an asic company. I have no complaints and can't wait to receive my gear. Congrats all around.

[arorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

   I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong.

$19,250 to be exact.

The premium over Oct delivery is $19,250 - $8,000 = $11,250.

Looks like we paid too much as it would take about 6 weeks to make up this premium. However, had the current difficulty turned out to be little lower the tables would have been turned completely.

I don't think it's necessarily much relative to the current $ per Gh/s of competitive products available at this point in time. That's actually the mathematical formula that tells you the earliest possible October orders should be delivered (>6.0 weeks after August ones :-)

[dacman61]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

   I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong.

Did you eat paint chips as a kid of something???

[nullspot]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

Disagree. Dave and all vendors are (and rightfully should be) completely free to overdeliver on what they promise. Such achievements are very good P.R., as they further differentiate between themselves and other companies which underdeliver (if at all). They demonstrate their ability to innovate and improve, and increases confidence.

You are proposing, however to extract punishment from (or compensate) one group or another based on later success. That's just ass-backwards. Penalizing success? exceeding goals? What exactly are you trying to motivate here?

Case in point - initial tests showed H-boards not hashing at their advertised 25GH speed. So additional H-boards were included for free to the initial customers -- and likely only them, as later batches should have tweaks made to achieve the advertise rate per board. This meant people who ordered a 25GH starter kit are now sitting on 40GH of hashpower.

Now, according to your logic, this is an unfair bonus given to one group (early orders) that later orders do not receive. Should Dave now "compensate" later orders that won't receive such extra hashpower with $$ to offset the difference? Didn't those later orders make their choices based upon calculations which weighed the cost of 25GH in august vs. 25GH in october? Have they not been wronged?? Hogwash.

Shipping october orders any earlier than the 31st would NOT cause to "harm" to earlier orders. They got what they paid for, and they worked with what knowledge was available at the time of order, like everyone else. You could even make a case that shipping Oct earlier would actually be more than fair because of the steep increase in difficulty rendering earlier ROI predictions to be way off, so the earlier delivery would be a move to compensate (as other companies have attempted various schemes to preserve estimated ROI).

Dave - ignore this guy and send everything out as soon as humanly possible.

[Ridicuss]

I will concede my argument. Either way I am finally happy with an asic company. I have no complaints and can't wait to receive my gear. Congrats all around.

Im with you DrJoeGrine, I think we were both in the BFL camp at one point. I know how that worked out.

Go Dave!!!!  

[kaerf]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

   I think 400Gh/s for Aug delivery was 19kusd maybe I am wrong.

$19,250 to be exact.

The premium over Oct delivery is $19,250 - $8,000 = $11,250.

Looks like we paid too much as it would take about 6 weeks to make up this premium. However, had the current difficulty turned out to be little lower the tables would have been turned completely.

yeah, without the fab fkup, august orders would be in much better shape in terms of ROI. this delay of a few days compared to EU orders also hurts quite a bit since we're making another big diff jump today. the usd/btc exchange rate was shit during the august sales too. august orders ROI not looking good. that said, the bitfury team/distributors are still miles ahead of the competition.

[shade88]

For Oct debate, Punin said "I've added option for UPS Express Saver shipping, and dropped the prices a bit as further october orders will most likely ship in very late october. Those who picked first october orders are likely to receive theirs in very early october, if not september."

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=250249.msg2967968#msg2967968

Ofcourse thing can change.

[arorts]

I hope Oct orders ship early and not at the end of the month. Order #45x here. Keep up the good work Dave. You should do consulting for BFL on how to run a proper business. You are a diamond in the rough.

This has been addressed a few times, it's still planned to be by the end of October on purpose, not by the beginning. Keep in mind that for example  August full rigs commanded a $11,000+ premium over October ones so I think Bitfury will deploy as it was planned without damaging its highest paying customer base. This is exactly the same fair policy that other companies, such as KNC and Hashfast follow on purpose. Otherwise, if Bitfury manages to ship October orders by end of September, will Bitfury refund a portion of the premium to August customers? No, right? If anyone wants to receive product earlier, they need to pay the premium that corresponds to that time difference. Pretty simple. :p

Disagree. Dave and all vendors are (and rightfully should be) completely free to overdeliver on what they promise. Such achievements are very good P.R., as they further differentiate between themselves and other companies which underdeliver (if at all). They demonstrate their ability to innovate and improve, and increases confidence.

You are proposing, however to extract punishment from (or compensate) one group or another based on later success. That's just ass-backwards. Penalizing success? exceeding goals? What exactly are you trying to motivate here?

Case in point - initial tests showed H-boards not hashing at their advertised 25GH speed. So additional H-boards were included for free to the initial customers -- and likely only them, as later batches should have tweaks made to achieve the advertise rate per board. This meant people who ordered a 25GH starter kit are now sitting on 40GH of hashpower.

Now, according to your logic, this is an unfair bonus given to one group (early orders) that later orders do not receive. Should Dave now "compensate" later orders that won't receive such extra hashpower with $$ to offset the difference? Didn't those later orders make their choices based upon calculations which weighed the cost of 25GH in august vs. 25GH in october? Have they not been wronged?? Hogwash.

Shipping october orders any earlier than the 31st would NOT cause to "harm" to earlier orders. They got what they paid for, and they worked with what knowledge was available at the time of order, like everyone else. You could even make a case that shipping Oct earlier would actually be more than fair because of the steep increase in difficulty rendering earlier ROI predictions to be way off, so the earlier delivery would be a move to compensate (as other companies have attempted various schemes to preserve estimated ROI).

Dave - ignore this guy and send everything out as soon as humanly possible.

False. False. False.  The price and time difference is already there advertised in Bitfury store so simply asking to be executed. Sorry if you took it as a "punishment" but when you pick the 3-blade razor at the store rather than the 4-blade razor, do you feel punished? No, right? It's just a different product based on what you can afford and expecting different outcomes. The difference here is that times plays a factor as well. I'm not even talking about the difference in hash rates and it's up to Bitfury to that figure out if they want. That is irrelevant to the basic discussion. You are right: we worked on the knowledge that it's a 2-month difference at the time of investment, so yes, it's a  2-month protection gap.
The argument about compensating due to increases in difficulty: difficulty changes applies to all customers equally and in any case, it was never advertised or referred in any way in the description of the products advertised. Neither did Bitfury make any commitments about difficulty at all.  I'm simply focusing on the advertised terms not in imaginary or unrelated aspects. That's it.
Bitfury is not going to ignore my arguments or of any August customers just because of your wishful thinking because guess what?  it's still displayed in their store right now!

[Sitarow]

Whatever they decide, one thing is for sure. They will first work on getting the 200TH network up asap.

[jimrome]

snip of back-and-forth

Update

I've added option for UPS Express Saver shipping, and dropped the prices a bit as further october orders will most likely ship in very late october. Those who picked first october orders are likely to receive theirs in very early october, if not september.

Regarding invoices: there was a problem on the site. I will need to send invoices manually. You will get an invoice, don't worry.

I need to sleep now. Shanghai awaits tomorrow. I should have more news for you in about 30 hours.

Punin said a few weeks ago that he expects to start shipping in early October if not late September.. I would expect Dave to be working with the same timeframe, but who knows.

[jspielberg]

Interesting...

The standard shipping is going UPS ground from Maumee, OH.   I was expecting USPS from somewhere in Washington.
Looking forward to hooking up my unit.  
I have been miner-less for a couple of months now since my Ares 5870x2 blew out.

Edit:  Unrelated package shipment information.  Not MBP miner. Just wishful thinking.