[ActiveMining] The Official Active Mining Discussion Thread

[Mabsark]

This is not a case of Ken postponing something, this is a clear case of Ken telling lies.

ok i think i FINALLY get it.  you think Ken is a liar.  please let me buy your shares at 20% above what you paid for them and then you dont have to be invested in a company run by a liar.  nor should you feel bad by an investment that returned 20% in a month.

Fair enough. Send me 15.57 BTC and you can have 2595 shares. I owe 250 shares out due to a trade I made for Labcoin shares.

If Ken agrees to this transaction, I will send Ken the BTC, he can send me the shares, and then he can send you the BTC.  forgive me for not trusting you (despite your long membership on this forum), but I have made my share of bad transactions before and lost quite a bit of BTC.  also, I would obviously need some real proof that you purchased those 2595 AMC shares at 0.005 to make sure you arent lying to me.

I paid between 0.005 and 0.0055 BTC for the shares. I'm not going to prove that though because the shares were acquired over numerous trades and would take dozens of screen shots.

I guess we don't have a deal then.

[finlof]

This is not a case of Ken postponing something, this is a clear case of Ken telling lies.

ok i think i FINALLY get it.  you think Ken is a liar.  please let me buy your shares at 20% above what you paid for them and then you dont have to be invested in a company run by a liar.  nor should you feel bad by an investment that returned 20% in a month.

Fair enough. Send me 15.57 BTC and you can have 2595 shares. I owe 250 shares out due to a trade I made for Labcoin shares.

If Ken agrees to this transaction, I will send Ken the BTC, he can send me the shares, and then he can send you the BTC.  forgive me for not trusting you (despite your long membership on this forum), but I have made my share of bad transactions before and lost quite a bit of BTC.  also, I would obviously need some real proof that you purchased those 2595 AMC shares at 0.005 to make sure you arent lying to me.

I paid between 0.005 and 0.0055 BTC for the shares. I'm not going to prove that though because the shares were acquired over numerous trades and would take dozens of screen shots.

I guess we don't have a deal then.

so i guess i have no choice but to call you a liar since you cant provide me proof.

[Mabsark]

This is not a case of Ken postponing something, this is a clear case of Ken telling lies.

ok i think i FINALLY get it.  you think Ken is a liar.  please let me buy your shares at 20% above what you paid for them and then you dont have to be invested in a company run by a liar.  nor should you feel bad by an investment that returned 20% in a month.

Fair enough. Send me 15.57 BTC and you can have 2595 shares. I owe 250 shares out due to a trade I made for Labcoin shares.

If Ken agrees to this transaction, I will send Ken the BTC, he can send me the shares, and then he can send you the BTC.  forgive me for not trusting you (despite your long membership on this forum), but I have made my share of bad transactions before and lost quite a bit of BTC.  also, I would obviously need some real proof that you purchased those 2595 AMC shares at 0.005 to make sure you arent lying to me.

I paid between 0.005 and 0.0055 BTC for the shares. I'm not going to prove that though because the shares were acquired over numerous trades and would take dozens of screen shots.

I guess we don't have a deal then.

so i guess i have no choice but to call you a liar since you cant provide me proof.

I never made the claim that I would provide proof of how much I paid for my shares. You asked me to, and I said I can't be bothered due to it being too much hassle. I'm sticking to the claim I made, which means I'm telling the truth, not lies.

[Mabsark]

Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.

These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

So, now that it's the weekend, I assume you don't have any more business trips planned and therefore no excuse not to do what you said you would do on Wednesday, then Friday, then "as soon as possible". So, where are the pictures you said you would post, where's the report, and where are all our shares? Or do we have a different definition of "as soon as possible"? Have you even made a start on any of these yet?

[Panterino]

Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.

These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

Wowwww! Turns out Ken's not a liar and Mabsark is an imbecile, big surprise!

[Stuartuk]

Jesus I'm glad he's not my wife. What an irritant.

[Mabsark]

Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.

These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

Wowwww! Turns out Ken's not a liar and Mabsark is an imbecile, big surprise!

Wednesday: no shares.
Friday: no shares.
Saturday: no pictures, no report and no shares as of yet.

[Stuartuk]

You are confusing lying with changes of schedule due to unforseen circumstances, now fuck off.

[Mabsark]

Mabsark, you've made it very clear what your feelings are and that you're very childish. So childish, in fact, that you claim you don't even have a phone - or is that don't want to make a phone call for some reason, eh?

The rest of us are asking ourselves why you're here at all? Make a profit using whatever shares you want, but please allow this thread to be useful and PM Ken your issues directly or don't deal in his shares.

The rest of us are sick of this thread being hijacked by you.

You're sick of having this thread hijacked? Some of us are sick of having our shares hijacked! I think our concerns greatly outweigh yours and this is the appropriate venue to air them.

[hobbymd]

Couldn't resist it anymore!! this Mabsark guy is just doesn't go away. it's getting very aonnying.

[Mabsark]

Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

[damiano]

Postponing something is not the same as lying.  We actually want him to postpone minor things like that so that he can take care of what's important.  So again, we don't care.  You are wasting a lot of effort trying to convince us to care.

No, postponing something is not the same as telling lies. Saying you will do something when you know you can't possibly do it because you will be too busy doing something else is telling lies though.

How could Ken have possibly transferred the shares end of business day Friday if he knew he would be away on business, wouldn't be able to access the account and was scheduled to arrive back home after the end of business day Friday? He couldn't. Therefore, what he said was a lie.

And what exactly would be his motivation for these lies against you? You bring a smile to my face, Maby-boy.

These lies are not against me. This is not some conspiracy against me. I've no idea why he is telling these lies. Perhaps he's a pathological liar. Perhaps he's sold the shares? Perhaps he wanted to stop people from selling their shares and reinvesting in the competition?

How the fuck am I supposed to know. I can't read minds.

The schedule was to fly back home on Thursday; however, we had to extend the trip 1 extra day at the engineers.

Wowwww! Turns out Ken's not a liar and Mabsark is an imbecile, big surprise!

Wednesday: no shares.
Friday: no shares.
Saturday: no pictures, no report and no shares as of yet.

If your not happy go sell all your shit and fuck off, all you do is complain like a little 5 year old.

[mpr20rt]

tell me about it.. he's my first ignore lol never though i'll use that button actually... its a shame that i am still being notified when he posts

[dexX7]

I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this.

[gog1]

I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this.

+1

I've shares in limbo too ...

[Stuartuk]

I'm shocked that everyone drags this down to a very personal level. This is worse than the LAB IPO thread.

Mabsark, you're included. A lie is defined as a false statement to a person or group made by another person or group who knows it is not the whole truth, intentionally. I totally get your point like stated above, but I do not think that his beviour is intentionally malicious and exaggerated statements only fuel the fire.

VE, remember how shit went down when Ken set up the second wall without a prior announcement? Everyone freaked out for a pretty good reason. Now those delays seem very minor in comparison, but the inner essence remains the same. Just imagine your stack would end up in tender-limbo. That would suck, wouldn't it? I know you would call Ken and talk things out, but that's your way to deal with it. Please don't get me wrong, this is not an attack, but an appeal for more emphathy - even if it seems negatable.

I'm playing devil's advocate now and point out a worst case scenario and the consequences of this discussion: we esentially don't know how many shares are stuck in tender, do we? And rageing at everyone who points out an issue will only result in less people raising their voice. I really don't think this is the case, but I want to make sure that everyone understands where this could lead to.

I advise both sides to take a step back. We all have the same goal here and should work together to accomplish this.

+1

I've shares in limbo too ...

Do you fancy having a multiple page rant about it?

[Pale Phoenix]

Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.

[Stuartuk]

Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

Pathetic amateur speculator who doesn't give a shit about Active Mining just wants a quick turn around and would be happy to see ACtM fail so long as he gets his poxy 15btc back.

Please, when you get your shares  sold don't fuckin reinvest in crypto-currencies, fuck off to the NASDAQ and enjoy your safe 3% per year. Looser.

[Stuartuk]

Great post dexX7. I'm sure that there's no conspiracy to deprive anyone of their shares and the delay might be perfectly reasonable considering all that's going on right now.

That said, you simply don't operate this way if you want to improve your credibility with shareholders. Those of you telling Mabsark to sell are missing the point entirely; he can't sell because he doesn't have access to his shares. None of us would be happy in his position.

At some point a decision has to be made. Is ActM going to continue to be run like a Mickey Mouse operation or is someone going to step up and follow through on their promises? Those of us with substantial funds invested should be promoting the latter.

With respect  you are expecting too much. You have invested in a fledgling business in a newly emerging market that is at its busiest stage implementing crucial contracts and setting up unique one-off infrastructure for future development. And there has been a delay of a few days in a processing proceedure. Get some perspective.

[dhenson]

Of course I'm not going away. Ken has my shares and I want them back. Would you go away if I had your shares and refused to give them back to you?

I'm going to leave it that for today, but what's the bet that I'm back tomorrow with the same complaint?

Prove me wrong, Ken!

Pathetic amateur speculator who doesn't give a shit about Active Mining just wants a quick turn around and would be happy to see ACtM fail so long as he gets his poxy 15btc back.

Please, when you get your shares  sold don't fuckin reinvest in crypto-currencies, fuck off to the NASDAQ and enjoy your safe 3% per year. Looser.

Lol the epic spelling fail reminded me of this.. just for chuckles.