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Author Topic: [ANN][ICO] savedroid - BITCOIN SAVING MADE EASY!  (Read 54585 times)
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June 01, 2018, 09:08:16 AM
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why really wanted to list at top 5 exchange ? that top 5 exchange cannot guarantee token price will 2x 3x 4x 5x etc etc
why dont we start from top 20 or top 10, if many people interested to this project even at top 500 exchange, people will buy it

It's too late now, we can get listed in Binance and that wouldn't make a difference. The project is labeled as a scam everywhere in the internet.

no mate this savedroid cannot list at exchange, because no exchange accept it, they are labeled as a scam as you said
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June 01, 2018, 09:58:19 AM
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why really wanted to list at top 5 exchange ? that top 5 exchange cannot guarantee token price will 2x 3x 4x 5x etc etc
why dont we start from top 20 or top 10, if many people interested to this project even at top 500 exchange, people will buy it

It's too late now, we can get listed in Binance and that wouldn't make a difference. The project is labeled as a scam everywhere in the internet.

no mate this savedroid cannot list at exchange, because no exchange accept it, they are labeled as a scam as you said

I have no doubt that it will be listed. But the market situation will be very complex no matter on which exchange. A big exchange would probably help but it may not be enough to keep the price. Reasons are:

1) Savedroid doesn't seem to have much support from the Crypto-community and in my opinion there is nothing about this project that will impress Crypto out of several reasons - actually more the opposite. While Crypto-folks are not necessarily the target-group of this project but people who just want to save money in an easy way, the problem for the market-situation will probably be: Those potential users are simply not there yet.

2) The price that was set during the ICO is very high with a marketcap of about $50 million while the total is even higher. Even under best circumstances it wouldn't be easy to keep such a high valuation.

3) The business model seems totally flawed to me. No rational mind will save money by paying a 15% fee first to get money into it, just to pay 15% again if he wants his money back. In such a case there are two scenarios: Such a guy would lose and not save money if the portfolio he buys just keeps its value - and the loss would be significantly: about 30%. If the portfolio would rise in value by about 30% he would not have any profit because fees would take it away. Incentive to use Savedroid? None. If they lower the fees it may be a little better but wouldn't change the problem fundamentally - Savedroid would still be 1) too expensive, or 2) will not burn much SVD. That makes SVD to a bad Investment in both scenarios. Considered that it's ICO-price is on an insane level... it would need irrational and/or uninformed gamblers who buy it.

4) The PR-Stunt was damaging of course and it was damaging in several ways. It frustrated Investors, damaged trust, told a story about the team and in/competence etc.

5) The voting was absolutely not helpful as well. Actually it had a similar effect on Investors, just without big headlines and therefore not much impact on the public.

6) They have no shots left now, shouldn't disappoint again.



There is a scenario that may include a chance and it's mainly about two, maybe three, aspects:

1. They should manage to get this on a big exchange, if that shouldn't realize, disappointment and frustration will be overwhelming and probably have terrible impact on the price.

2. In best case they are able to combine a listing with a good release, something that gives hope and raises more positive attention

3. The market may turn bullish - but that is impossible to predict

But even if... just the high valuation doesn't leave much potential and if impatient guys don't see price potential after a listing they tend to sell. Considered all the points above that may already be enough to drive the valuation down significantly. At least this won't be boring...
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June 01, 2018, 12:22:29 PM
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There is another option:

Refund investors! Every investor should have the possibility to apply for a refund...

I think until now only a small part of the funds has been already spent for project related things, so it should be possible to refund an investor by his application for almost 100% by return of his SVD Tokens.

This is the only honorable and legitimate way to handle this situation.

It would be the proof of a good will and would represent a true excuse by savedroid and its team. This way savedroid takes full responsibility for its actions and decisions and has at least the chance to regain trust.


Maybe someone can initiate a petition/survey about a possible refund and help spreading it among all investors ?
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June 01, 2018, 12:37:10 PM
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There is another option:

Refund investors! Every investor should have the possibility to apply for a refund...

I think until now only a small part of the funds has been already spent for project related things, so it should be possible to refund an investor by his application for almost 100% by return of his SVD Tokens.

This is the only honorable and legitimate way to handle this situation.

It would be the proof of a good will and would represent a true excuse by savedroid and its team. This way savedroid takes full responsibility for its actions and decisions and has at least the chance to regain trust.


Maybe someone can initiate a petition/survey about a possible refund and help spreading it among all investors ?

someone post here asking refund, and a lot of people asking refund at telegram group but dev reject it, so refund is impossible at the moment.


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June 01, 2018, 01:02:17 PM
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There is another option:

Refund investors! Every investor should have the possibility to apply for a refund...

I think until now only a small part of the funds has been already spent for project related things, so it should be possible to refund an investor by his application for almost 100% by return of his SVD Tokens.

This is the only honorable and legitimate way to handle this situation.

It would be the proof of a good will and would represent a true excuse by savedroid and its team. This way savedroid takes full responsibility for its actions and decisions and has at least the chance to regain trust.


Maybe someone can initiate a petition/survey about a possible refund and help spreading it among all investors ?

someone post here asking refund, and a lot of people asking refund at telegram group but dev reject it, so refund is impossible at the moment.

They will not do that unless there would be a way to legally force them and that doesn't seem to be the case. What I would like to know is if they maybe refunded individuals, big pre-sale-Investors who may have more leverage, more legal power and influence. There is no reason to assume that until now, but if and if something like that would come to light, the next shitshow would start immediately.

Credit-Card-Buyers may have a chance, because they don't have the token yet.

But I agree, they should've done it as a choice for all participants, because it would have had a lot of advantages for all sites, while the disadvantage of having less funds is not significant. It would still be about >$20 million if 50% would want a refund. It would have lowered the total supply what would give more price-potential once listed, it would stop the bad mood and complaining, because those who would have made that choice would have left.

But: They should have made that decision right after the PR-Stunt and communicate it smart - in such a scenario they could have turned the bad situation into showing integrity and fairness. If they do it now... it would probably just lead to more bad headlines because it would be considered as a very late admission. And after the delays and the messed up voting maybe/likely even more would make the choice to get the money back.

Btw, regarding the market situation: The situation of credit card buyers is another reason for pessimism. Their tokens will not be mined and given to them until 180 days after payment = 6 months. That means, in about 3 months their supply will reach the exchanges. While that is not a real increase of supply, practically it will be exactly that for the market. Since listing will probably not happen before July there will also not be much time for the price to find a high price until the first Guys are smart enough to anticipate that dynamic as risk and start to sell. And if the price should dump hard before - not much time to recover until CC-buyers send their SVD to exchanges as well.


This team is very consequent in making bad choices.
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June 02, 2018, 10:19:06 AM
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https://www.hadax.com/vote/?v=150|SVD


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1- ARN Aeron[Europe & Australia Edition]    Amount of votes: 15,260,037
2- FND FundRequest [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 5,346,527
3- SVD Savedroid [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 415,606



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June 02, 2018, 12:02:45 PM
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https://www.hadax.com/vote/?v=150|SVD


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1- ARN Aeron[Europe & Australia Edition]    Amount of votes: 15,260,037
2- FND FundRequest [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 5,346,527
3- SVD Savedroid [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 415,606





I don't understand why they are putting all efforts to make it list on this low volume. The team should show some responsibility by taking good steps to find the space on big exchanges to get recover from past disaster.

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June 02, 2018, 12:20:23 PM
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https://www.hadax.com/vote/?v=150|SVD


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1- ARN Aeron[Europe & Australia Edition]    Amount of votes: 15,260,037
2- FND FundRequest [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 5,346,527
3- SVD Savedroid [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 415,606





I don't understand why they are putting all efforts to make it list on this low volume. The team should show some responsibility by taking good steps to find the space on big exchanges to get recover from past disaster.

the lesson for this vote to savedroid developer is : the community againts them, so they must repair this relationship with community and make community support them again


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June 02, 2018, 12:51:21 PM
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https://www.hadax.com/vote/?v=150|SVD


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1- ARN Aeron[Europe & Australia Edition]    Amount of votes: 15,260,037
2- FND FundRequest [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 5,346,527
3- SVD Savedroid [Europe & Australia Edition] Amount of votes: 415,606





I don't understand why they are putting all efforts to make it list on this low volume. The team should show some responsibility by taking good steps to find the space on big exchanges to get recover from past disaster.

the lesson for this vote to savedroid developer is : the community againts them, so they must repair this relationship with community and make community support them again


@tobson2 said :
For the HADAX ranking, it's only important to get into the top 3 of Europe as it's a special European voting, when you've read the terms carefully. So we're in a very good position right now and thankful for all voters without the need scamming anyone and voting on our own.
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June 02, 2018, 12:55:19 PM
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But the question is that we really need this exchange to make the growth process healthy as majority of the people were expecting at this time of ICOs. From my point of view they are wasting the time with this kind of stupid tricks instead of taking really good step. When they will understand what community want from them.
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June 03, 2018, 11:50:30 AM
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But the question is that we really need this exchange to make the growth process healthy as majority of the people were expecting at this time of ICOs. From my point of view they are wasting the time with this kind of stupid tricks instead of taking really good step. When they will understand what community want from them.

they dont care about community, because they are scammer

SCAMDROID
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June 03, 2018, 12:47:29 PM
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exchanges should not let them on after there antics.
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June 04, 2018, 07:51:21 PM
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exchanges should not let them on after there antics.

let see tomorrow, if they dont publish exact date for exchange, so this project will dead
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June 04, 2018, 08:44:24 PM
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https://medium.com/@ico_8796/meet-tobias-savedroids-new-community-manager-644078c2d08f


Meet Tobias, savedroid’s new Community Manager
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June 04, 2018, 09:07:38 PM
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exchanges should not let them on after there antics.

let see tomorrow, if they dont publish exact date for exchange, so this project will dead

I don´t think SVD has a bright future at all, but they have the money to build something, and a user base too.

I expect the coin to drop in value but live on at least for a couple of years.
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Meet Tobias, savedroid’s new Community Manager

ohh my god that photo of him...not a good start.

And stop spamming my email box to vote..get professional and do some work yourself
I think most of us are sick of this coin and wish it would go away.

No exchange will have anything to do with this coin after there antics so now they would like us to pull them out of the Shxx
maybe savedroid should have acted like adults from the start...

This coin is doomed and rightfully so don't play games with your investors they might bite back.
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June 04, 2018, 10:40:22 PM
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Oh boy... If that text wasn't written by Yassir the guy was brainwashed into the selfhypnotic Savedroid dream bubble pretty effective. How subtle he uses Yassirs wording over and over again.


- all the scam happening, which threatens the sustainability of the ICO market
- need to genuinely appologize, because we gave our token buyers an emotionally very hard time durig there 24 hours of our action.
- On the other hand, the motivation behind the action was clearly positive.
- we need to develop and establish higher ICO quality standards to make this market sustainable.
- While savedroid was in the ICO, we faced a lot of scammers
- For new token buyers coming into the scene we have to build up an environment, that is acting and behaving professional and not only playing it.


Savedroid is back again on their heroic way to change the world on the back of their own Investors.

And isn't it interesting that he always says "we", even when talking about times before he joined Savedroid?


Also interesting, about the voting:

"Just two thoughts about the Community Voting for the exchange. The voting result is fine for me, because it represents our Community directly. We have discussed the process within the Team and we think that this way it is the most democratic, to get a fair result out of the voting. Also, this way, we’re accepting the personal interests of every token buyer at the same time. One vote for one SVD is also fair in my opinion. Small token buyers are there to max their purchase and that’s why they want to be in the exchange ASAP. Token buyers with a bigger ticket are typically interested in a good start at the exchange and hence, a portfolio of 5 big exchanges is more appealing to them. Giving 1 SVD = 1 vote, we got our result and we will now execute this Community Voting result!"


No concerns about the zero-transparent-approach?
No concerns about the fact that pre-sale-Investors were encouraged to vote after the voting was closed?

Don't take it personal Tobias, but if you wrote that text alone you clearly fit in. ;-)




Edit: A reaction on reddit:

"Another clueless one, trying to justify the PR GAG, I am speechless. The PR Gag was something like a self-destruction.
The Voting was not transparent and manipulated, becouse you asked investors for there opinion after the Voting was over.
Locked Tokens and no Exchanges: Every one how gave you money for tokens, can do with the token what ever he like. But your company locked down the token and take the money from the investors, this is a crime my friend. (this will harm the project again). ....and so on, and so on...."

https://www.reddit.com/r/savedroid_ico/comments/8ohc8f/meet_tobias_savedroids_new_community_manager/


They really don't learn...
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June 04, 2018, 11:37:14 PM
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Read the whitepaper? 50% of sales income is for marketing. That's over $25M. There's plenty to pay Binance with if they want to. They just don't want to ...
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June 04, 2018, 11:37:38 PM
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please tell me which of the top 5 exchanges needs months to list a token not even a new blockchain?
because binance and okex, all they need is their payment and they can list with in a day !!!!
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June 04, 2018, 11:37:50 PM
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that is why i say coming from a so call german fintech it's big shame, german company knows very well that time in financial market is money, and that a company that play with his stock will not live long
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