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April 21, 2018, 09:14:55 AM
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Guys plz stop FUD!
After this event, everyone made the conclusions. We need to move on. Enough to throw shit on the fan!


See, there are two kinds of FUD:

1) Negative rumors or even lies
2) true but negative informations

1 is always bad and shouldn't be spread. In this case it was the team itself that started exactly that. Now they have to face the fact that the feedback is about 2. And of course, that concerns many of their Investors, but why? Because informations about what Savedroid has really done might increases the risk that it will not be so easy to offload own bags on others.

And I see it this way: They pretended to educate all others about risks in this markt with a PR-Stunt in which they first have spread a lie about themselves and afterwards told a lie about that, because all of that was done under false premise and to promote their new business idea that has nothing to with what they've sold in their ICO.

In my opinion there would only be one legit move: If they would refund everybody who wants out. But, a guy on the german thread just posted a quote out of telegram:

Serg Antourag, [20.04.18 13:38]
hey, is it possible to get a refund?

xxx | savedroid, [20.04.18 13:40] [Admin]
[Antwort auf Serg Antourag]
We cannot process refund anymore since it is more 14days from ico



Very paradox situation. They pretended to be scammers, than told the world that they just wanted to educate, but fact is that they have the real money while putting everybody else at risk, especially own Investors. And I believe it needs education about that. I really feel bad for their Investors but I also think that everybody who thinks about buying this later on an exchange should have the chance to figure out what they do here. And since Savedroid is all about educating others and now even about professional advisory that is fully in line with their own ideals. Or they are just dishonest...
 
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April 21, 2018, 09:29:41 AM
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Guys plz stop FUD!
After this event, everyone made the conclusions. We need to move on. Enough to throw shit on the fan!

After the explanation and excuses from dev in his video message it got cleared they are here to stay so now we have to forget what happened which was like a nightmare. Now we have to move forward and try to make this project the best I hope this will back soon.
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April 21, 2018, 10:26:24 AM
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This can be called most stupid PR strategy so far by any project. This whole thing has back-fired which not only created panic but lot of disturbance for many people. I hope they will recover the damage by putting extra hard work because reputation matter the most in any business and most importantly in cryptocurrencies related. They are registered company and could deal more seriously.
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April 21, 2018, 11:45:35 AM
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German Prosecutors Consider Legal Action Against Savedroid

Wirtschafts Woche, the same German source that announced a $50 million exit scam by ICO Savedroid, is reporting prosecutors in Frankfurt are examining the “extreme advertising campaign” of the startup. After an elaborate hoax was played on its investors and the public, the company has been doing heavy damage control. According to the online news group, prosecutors have begun a “preliminary investigation.”


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https://news.bitcoin.com/german-cops-look-hard-at-antics-of-ico-savedroid-after-ghost-prank/

Hahaha, I think that the devs himself is not happy with what happened as a result of this thoughtless kind of joke. Now they will need to double-work hard to prove that the project has a right to exist, because many investors are ready to sell these tokens as soon as they enter the stock exchange. You can defame reputation for a minute, and you can win the trust for years.

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April 21, 2018, 05:34:04 PM
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Trust Takes years to Create, a seconds to Destroy Shocked
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April 21, 2018, 05:41:39 PM
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There is a good lesson for others to learn from this dramatic situation which took so many turns before reaching to its climax. This really scared me as well those few days but it is coming back easy by easy. Now distribution procedure should be completed without further delay to put tehn things on track again. This will restore the trust automatically.
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April 21, 2018, 07:28:37 PM
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This stunt proved to be a double edged situation.
The question is: was it worth it?


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April 21, 2018, 10:10:24 PM
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I wouldn’t rule out the fact that this weekend the whole team is really packing their stuff and vanish for good...

That is what i am thinking though.
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dear investors and victims.
I am also one of many Savedroid investors, and for me there's only one possible apology:

Savedroid has to offer a refund!

hereby i advise everyone (who like) to apply for a refund.
i have requested my refund at marco-hilft@savedroid.de and sent it CC to Mr. Hellinger who's Escrow for BTC/ETH.

so who participated with BTC/ETH should send his refund request CC to Mr. Hellinger (www.hellinger.eu)

Anyone who participated by wire transfer or credidcard should send to bank(at)bankfrik.li

oh btw: it don't have to be a refund, it could also be sloved by a "buywall" as tempus suggested
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Last edit: April 22, 2018, 09:59:08 AM by tempus
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dear investors and victims.
I am also one of many Savedroid investors, and for me there's only one possible excuse:

Savedroid has to offer a refund!

hereby i advise everyone (who like) to apply for a refund.
i have requested my refund at marco-hilft@savedroid.de and sent it CC to Mr. Hellinger who's Escrow for BTC/ETH.

so who participated with BTC/ETH should send his refund request CC to Mr. Hellinger (www.hellinger.eu)

Anyone who participated by wire transfer or credidcard should send to bank(at)bankfrik.li

Several of their Investors asked for getting refunded on Telegram and it's always the same. Last conversation about it went this way:

Q: When refund?
A: Refund is allowed 14days after you registered.
Q: Why not 14days after marketing fail?
A: I'm sorry but that's one of policy.



In my opinion they've really crossed a line to fraud, because:

1. Their pretended message is based on a lie. They could not have stolen the funds, while Yassin even said in his infamous video that it would have been easy to exit scam with all of the funds. A german journalist of gruenderszene said on youtube that Yassin didn't want to give an answer on the question how much of the money they really could have taken. Surprise... because the answer is: near to nothing or even nothing, especially no Crypto.

2. Besides the fact that their pretended message about regulations is totally trivial, it's actually even worthless in that context. There is no regulation against insanity. Since they didn't think through it and acted deceptive, I highly doubt that the message really was their true intention. If it was, it just proves their superficiality and inability of thinking through stuff.

3. Their real intention behind this PR-Stunt probably was to promote their new business-idea of ICO-advisory, which has nothing to do with the use case they've sold during the ICO. To invent a new business that has nothing to do with the usecase that was promoted to sell out the ICO would be a no-go anyway, even without the self-destructive PR-stunt.

4. Yassin said in a german interview that they don't think their PR-stunt will have bad impact on the future price of their token, otherwise they wouldn't have done it. The latter implies and underlines the pretense of being totally sure about that. That must be another lie, because nobody with an IQ above a cake could believe to be able to make such a prediction. Truth must be that they didn't care about Investors or again: are not able to think through stuff.

5. Investors beg for actions to repair the caused damage, but how should they manage that? It's not possible to get on top of the communication if confronted with several of their own lies and the inconsistency of their pretended message. Anybody seen any public communication of the leadership lately?

Quote: "Yassin has currently not answered our request to interview him and post the results publicly. We will update the situation in case anything changes."
https://medium.com/@BestofICOs/savedroid-the-damage-caused-4de56625aa26

6. They reject all requests of Investors who wish a refund. Of course they don't want to give the money back. It's about $50 mln in Fiat, Bitcoin and other Cryptocurrencies. And while prices of BTC and alts are rising, Investors of their token are in hostage and can't do anything but wait. #stockholmsyndrome


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If they would have been fair they would not only agree to refund those who would like to get their money back but even would've planned a refund into the "PR-Stunt-Strategy". Afterwards they would've refunded everybody and then announced a new ICO - also as kind of a poll/voting about their PR-strategy.
That would still have turned out to be a stupid move, it still would have been irresponsible. But at least it would have been a little bit better and also give them a better situation to react on accusations.

But they know they've fucked up, so they prefer the corner they've put themselves into while keeping the money, because they know they wouldn't ever get $50 mln again...

The interesting part about this situation really is to subdivide it all into the topics Inconsistency vs. Consistency, what they really care about and show real committance and what they don't care about. What they really cared about and where they have done a great job actually: To market their ICO and get a lot of money.

Everything else shows poor strategy, incompetence, selfish and ruthless action, inconsistency and even deception.

 
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April 22, 2018, 09:54:11 AM
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If Savedroid allowed investors for refund and give them one week to ask for it they probably get a maximum of 10M in refunds, plus they recover some of the lost confidence.

And that way at least someone will learn a lesson from this Stunt!
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April 22, 2018, 09:57:54 AM
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German Prosecutors Consider Legal Action Against Savedroid

Wirtschafts Woche, the same German source that announced a $50 million exit scam by ICO Savedroid, is reporting prosecutors in Frankfurt are examining the “extreme advertising campaign” of the startup. After an elaborate hoax was played on its investors and the public, the company has been doing heavy damage control. According to the online news group, prosecutors have begun a “preliminary investigation.”


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https://news.bitcoin.com/german-cops-look-hard-at-antics-of-ico-savedroid-after-ghost-prank/

Hahaha, I think that the devs himself is not happy with what happened as a result of this thoughtless kind of joke. Now they will need to double-work hard to prove that the project has a right to exist, because many investors are ready to sell these tokens as soon as they enter the stock exchange. You can defame reputation for a minute, and you can win the trust for years.

As I said early, it wasn't the best way for PR. And now team of this project should enjoy result of their joke. They should better work, not joke.

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April 22, 2018, 10:10:16 AM
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If Savedroid allowed investors for refund and give them one week to ask for it they probably get a maximum of 10M in refunds, plus they recover some of the lost confidence.

And that way at least someone will learn a lesson from this Stunt!

What is your source to get this info I think people only trying to make panic weak hands to sell their tokens at cheap. This has been proven this is a legit company and they are not going anywhere they will stay here for long time.
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April 22, 2018, 10:18:48 AM
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I didn't understand why people still creating panic situation into this thread even this has cleared on next day after that bad PR campaign. We must give another chance to dev team to deliver this otherwise nobody will get nothing. I have still believe in the future of this project and we must show our support.
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While alarmists are writing their nonsense, Tidex has returned the SVD to his sheet.  Grin

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So is there a date when you unlock the tokens so we can send them to another wallet? Don't need an exchange, only want to have unlocked token!
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I didn't understand why people still creating panic situation into this thread even this has cleared on next day after that bad PR campaign. We must give another chance to dev team to deliver this otherwise nobody will get nothing. I have still believe in the future of this project and we must show our support.
I think they are shillers - they want to dump of the SVD. Don`t believe them. When they buy coins at a price below ICO, they will arrange a pamp on the good news.  
You just need to have strong hands and ignore the pessimists  Wink

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April 22, 2018, 10:28:35 AM
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If Savedroid allowed investors for refund and give them one week to ask for it they probably get a maximum of 10M in refunds, plus they recover some of the lost confidence.

And that way at least someone will learn a lesson from this Stunt!


At least they should give choice. If they would offer a refund to everybody who would like to have his/her money back, it may change the whole situation to the better. A potential scenario:

Let's say 50% would want to get their money back and those tokens would be burned, it would have several positive results:

1) It would be fair, because the current situation is clearly not.

2) It would help the future price, because those who want out wouldn't have to dump on exchanges later. Total supply and marketcap would be reduced and the market-situation would be relaxed and have more potential.

3) It would have psychological effect, send a different and better message and probably/hopefully help to restore trust in a) the team & project and b) the market-situation



There may also be a negative: It would be the admission that they have done a terrible mistake and it's not possible to predict the media echo on such an admission. But.. at least it would be fair. If they refuse to do that they will have to face the accusation that they have trashed their reputation by taking own Investors into hostage and to promote their new business-idea, while they themselves risked nothing when it's about the financial side. Theoretically this whole thing could fail completely and they would still be able to leave as multi-millionaires. The raised $50 mln are safe.

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I didn't understand why people still creating panic situation into this thread even this has cleared on next day after that bad PR campaign. We must give another chance to dev team to deliver this otherwise nobody will get nothing. I have still believe in the future of this project and we must show our support.
I think they are shillers - they want to dump of the SVD. Don`t believe them. When they buy coins at a price below ICO, they will arrange a pamp on the good news.  
You just need to have strong hands and ignore the pessimists  Wink

tempus - one of them! Look at his profile. The legend is cool! Many people will believe him.
The last message in January. Then silence. He was never in the subject of SaveDroid  - he was not interested in anything and is not part of the community.
And then the boom - from April 19 he wrote 21 messages ONLY IN THIS TOPIC AND GERMAN Nowhere else he writes. He is a manipulator. Only a negative texts - a very long read!
It seems to me - he was paid. Or he himself tries to make a dump!
I see through you dude  Grin

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I didn't understand why people still creating panic situation into this thread even this has cleared on next day after that bad PR campaign. We must give another chance to dev team to deliver this otherwise nobody will get nothing. I have still believe in the future of this project and we must show our support.
I think they are shillers - they want to dump of the SVD. Don`t believe them. When they buy coins at a price below ICO, they will arrange a pamp on the good news.  
You just need to have strong hands and ignore the pessimists  Wink

tempus - one of them! Look at his profile. The legend is cool! Many people will believe him.
The last message in January. Then silence. He was never in the subject of SaveDroid  - he was not interested in anything and is not part of the community.
And then the boom - from April 19 he wrote 21 messages ONLY IN THIS TOPIC AND GERMAN Nowhere else he writes. This is a manipulator. Only a negative texts - a very long read!
It seems to me - he was paid. Or he himself tries to make a dump!
I see through you dude  Grin

Nice try Nice_Try! ;-)


But let me explain. I have nothing to hide:

1) Yes, I'm not invested. I didn't even know this project until I saw the desperation on twitter after the Savedroid-CEO had pushed out his "over and out - tweet".

2) I recognized they are germans. I'm also a german and probably that was the first trigger to pay attention

3) After reading a bit and thinking about that move, nothing made any sense to me. Especially that got me really interested, simply the question what this is about. My first conclusion was: Whatever it is or will turn out to be, in any case it's stupid and insane.

4) The next day their explanation-video... I just thought "what a stupid idiot, what an insane combination of pure arrogance and naivety." that has lead into such stupidity and ruthlessness, pretending an educational purpose while clearly they are the ones who should go back to school.  

5) It was a safe prediction that it would backfire hard and to see that was kind of entertaining but also embarrassing. Actually I was happy to see the hard media-echo in Germany. I talked with some of the german Investors on the german thread and got more information, figured that not even their story was true (would have been so easy to exit scam with all of the funds).

7) Even after the first hard feedback they didn't learn. They kept on with their arrogance (most of it on german threads), still pretending they could have executed a scam, pretending that they wanted to educate people about that, and even about the greed in the market. And yes, all of that made me really angry, even if not invested myself. They hyped their ICO to $50 mln, then put anybody else at risk including their own partners, while risking nothing of their own money that they only got because people trusted them. And they even want to educate others and even point on greed? Damn, that's bolt!

8 ) They pretend the intention to educate all others, but in fact they have acted deceptive. And while they also pretend they would have solved the situation with their explanation, they've just built another lie on the first deception. Whenever I see something like that I consider a high probability that the claimed intention is also not true or at least not the whole truth. Since they've even started a new website, saying "ICO Advisory coming soon - made in Germany" I believe their main-intention was promoting that.  

9) They are the ones who have turned what was meant to be business into a social experiment with educational purpose. They, and those who still believe in them, shouldn't have a problem if others do exactly that. And my credibility is not at stake here. Everybody is free to come to own conclusions. To believe my posts would be manipulative because I'm not invested doesn't make much sense. It's the opposite: I simply point out my honest thoughts because I have no horse in this race.

10) No, I have zero intention to write the price down and I won't buy into it in any scenario, no matter of price. I'm one of those who don't believe in the use-case and I don't believe in the team. I don't believe in their abilities to lead a project to success and even without this silly PR-Stunt I would see this project and their ICO as an overvalued hype, which only worked out so well because it was "pre hyped" in the fintech-space. And what a majority doesn't seems to care much about, but it really is a major aspect in my opinion: I consider the introduction of their new idea to become Ico-advisors as a bad sign because 1) it is not thought out as well, 2) it has nothing to do with what they've sold in their ICO, and most important: 3) it shows a lack of commitment regarding their core-project.

A committed team would never decide to make things more complicated. There would also be no reason to hype a project even more after a successful ICO with any kind of PR before real delivery. They got about $50 mln and shouldn't have any time to think about ICO-advisory, about torturing their own Investors, making silly videos including a "making of". #smokeandmirrors

I wouldn't ever buy into a project that shows such a lack of having priorities.

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Some words to those who believe posts like this to be strategic- or maybe even paid FUD: It's natural that you want to see it that way because you recognize critique as risk of your Investment. That's understandable. But again: Those who push for a refund are right and giving that choice would be best for everybody. If I would want to see Investors suffer, maybe even buy cheap later, I would not write in favor of a refund but the opposite. Again, the reason is simple: The probability of a crashing price increases the more supply will hit the exchanges and the other way around.

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