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April 24, 2018, 09:41:15 AM
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no damage  Roll Eyes   Cheesy

https://paymentandbanking.com/aberkennung-des-preises-zum-fintech-des-jahres-fuer-savedroid/

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Um auf das berechtigte Problem von ICO Scams hinzuweisen gibt es andere Möglichkeiten, die nicht solche Reaktionen bei Investoren und Kunden hervor rufen. Wir reden über Finanzanlage und damit über Vertrauen von Kunden und des Markts. Weiterhin ist der ICO als Fundraising-Methode ein sehr junges Vehikel und durch die etlichen Betrügereien in den USA bereits angeschlagen. Das nun das Unternehmen mit dem erfolgreichsten ICO in Deutschland so fahrlässig mit dem Thema Kunden-Vertrauen umgeht, zeigt eine enorme Naivität.

In Anbetracht dessen haben wir von Paymentandbanking uns dazu entschlossen, den Publikumspreis zum „FinTech des Jahres 2017“ für Savedroid zurückzuziehen und abzuerkennen.

Diese Art der “Öffentlichkeitsarbeit” halten wir für überaus unangebracht, da es das Ökosystem was wir mit Paymentandbanking stets versuchen zu fördern in ein mehr als schlechtes Licht rückt. Aufmerksamkeit auf dem Rücken anderer ohne Rücksicht auf Verluste, können und wollen wir nicht unterstützen!

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To point out the legitimate problem of ICO scams, there are other possibilities that do not elicit such responses from investors and clients. We talk about financial investment and thus about trust from customers and the market. Furthermore, the ICO as a fundraising method is a very young vehicle and already battered by the numerous scams in the US. The fact that the company with the most successful ICO in Germany so negligently deals with the subject of customer confidence shows an enormous naivety.

In view of this, we from Paymentandbanking have decided to withdraw the Audience Award for "FinTech of the Year 2017" for Savedroid.

We consider this kind of "public relations" inappropriate, as it encourages the ecosystem of what we are always trying to promote with paymentandbanking in a more than bad light. We can not and do not want to support attention on the backs of others regardless of losses!

https://www.gruenderszene.de/fintech/savedroid-staatsanwaltschaft-pr-marketing-werbung-ico-betrug HAHAHA no damage  Roll Eyes

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Nach wenigen Monaten waren wir allerdings gezwungen, Savedroid wegen ihres dubiosen und unverantwortlichen Verhaltens rauszuwerfen. Anstatt den Kern ihres Geschäftsmodells weiterzuentwickeln war bereits damals der Fokus auf dem Verkauf von Nutzerdaten und einem möglichst schnellen und auffälligen Wachstum – Fame um jeden Preis.

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After a few months, however, we were forced to kick Savedroid out of her dubious and irresponsible behavior. Rather than further developing the core of their business model, even then the focus was on selling user data and growing as quickly and prominently as possible - a fame at any price.

WTF? they got kicked from some office because they sell user datas and do not developing there product..

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April 24, 2018, 10:03:56 AM
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Above have horrible facts about the future of this project but this is still very early to take any decision in panic. I would like to keep myself calm and will hold my tokens for long time until this issue will get resolved and they will find the direction to make this process smooth.
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April 24, 2018, 10:19:19 AM
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Above have horrible facts about the future of this project but this is still very early to take any decision in panic. I would like to keep myself calm and will hold my tokens for long time until this issue will get resolved and they will find the direction to make this process smooth.
I think that for today it's just unproven facts. I hope everything will be done in the best way.
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April 24, 2018, 10:32:46 AM
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I also not in a hurry to make happy big players to take my hard earned with this tricks and stunt this got old fashion. Now investors are aware of this kind of campaign so that it is better to stay neutral and don't feed trolls.
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https://www.gruenderszene.de/fintech/savedroid-staatsanwaltschaft-pr-marketing-werbung-ico-betrug HAHAHA no damage  Roll Eyes

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Nach wenigen Monaten waren wir allerdings gezwungen, Savedroid wegen ihres dubiosen und unverantwortlichen Verhaltens rauszuwerfen. Anstatt den Kern ihres Geschäftsmodells weiterzuentwickeln war bereits damals der Fokus auf dem Verkauf von Nutzerdaten und einem möglichst schnellen und auffälligen Wachstum – Fame um jeden Preis.

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After a few months, however, we were forced to kick Savedroid out of her dubious and irresponsible behavior. Rather than further developing the core of their business model, even then the focus was on selling user data and growing as quickly and prominently as possible - a fame at any price.

WTF? they got kicked from some office because they sell user datas and do not developing there product..


That is the most concerning about this project in my opinion, if true -  even without PR-Stunt. And it very well could be true, because if you think about the App and what it actually does: It's purpose is to help ppl to put money aside by simple rules. Let's say you connect your bank-account to the Savedroid-Account and you activate that a tiny amount is transacted from your bank-account to the savedroid-account whenever Trump makes a tweet or whenever you walk 1000 m or whenever you go to your Fitness-Club: It doesn't make much sense at all. In my opinion that are just annoying and useless gimmicks. Some might find it funny for 2 weeks but it's hard to believe that it attracts anybody over a long time. And, most important: It doesn't generate any money, just unnecessary transactions. What it generates though: User-data. Dependent on the rules a user choses, they will know a lot. Put that in context with the financial side and users become perfect targets for all kinds of shady stuff.


Now translate that into Crypto: It's not possible to connect a normal and external address in a way to the Savedroid account like it's possible with an external bank-account. The Crypto-assets need to be stored inside Savedroid and they'll have the private keys. A fully developed Savedroid would have total control and the user would be transparent like glass. And for what? I have no idea what the real value for the user would be. I mean, he would even have to pay for that... with the token, which is just a made-up-purpose, because (considered this would make any sense): Normal fees would be much more efficient. But they needed something to sell in an ICO, so they've created a token and tried best to promote it as purposeful and even valuable. They've even used a price-prediction-chart on their website.

If sane ppl with a bit experience in and knowledge about Crypto think about that:

- who wants to have his savings in an online environment he has no control about (experienced guys put everything on cold storage)?
- who wants Savedroid to have control over private keys, especially when it's about money somebody wants to put aside for later?
- who needs all the unnecessary transactions, let's say whenever he goes from home to the fitness-club?
- who wants the App to know the own location and other stuff
- is there anything to find here that is in favor of the user?

Really... the PR-Stunt is probably not even the worst about this project and in my opinion, it has no chance in Crypto, because it is a total contradiction of what Crypto is about in so many ways.

Now add the PR-Stunt on top of that: They let their Investors and Users believe that they ran with the money... what a great joke for guys who raised $50 mln with a promoted business-model of managing other ppl's money.

I really believed I would have seen everything in Crypto, but this is....... so damn..... new! #insanity ;-)
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April 24, 2018, 11:50:06 AM
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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin

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April 24, 2018, 12:06:41 PM
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Brilliant piece of job done to post the summary of person who is actually doing like this even there is nothing to get worried about this project. I also think they deserve for second chance now we let this and look forward to find the way but don't make the people panic by repeating same thing again and again. Be positive and do a responsible job for community.
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April 24, 2018, 01:06:57 PM
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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin


 Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy   =))
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April 24, 2018, 01:19:55 PM
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It's a good idea to lock the coins - if you unlock svd before the start of the main trades, many idiots will dump svd on Etherdelta. Lowering the cost for manipulation. The team understands these movements well - this is a good sign!
But at the same time, it will be possible to buy tokens at a good price to anyone who could not do it on the token-sale.
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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin

Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: Assumed your theories about me would be true and I would believe to have so much influence that I could write the price down (I'm not that arrogant!), using sock-puppet-accounts etc., having the intention to buy cheap: What would be the most effective way to address that since you wouldn't ever be able to prove my intention or that I use other accounts (which one would you consider as that?)?

What I try to say is simple: Whatever my intentions might be, no matter if shady or if I just express my opinion honestly, the most effective way to address that would be to rebut on topic in any case. You just try to compromise what I say with the attempt to make readers believe that I would want to buy cheap. And I don't believe that you believe that. Out of your perspective it may make some sense, because you try to place a message like "tempus actually believes that this project has such a great quality that he puts some effort into getting it cheap" , or even better: "tempus was sent by a competitor! How great Savedroid must be that others are so scared that they go on attack".

But: Isn't that much more manipulative than what I do? Let me explain why the answer is "yes": Because you try just that and nothing else. You don't show up with arguments in favor of the project. You just focus on the market situation because that is what scares you when you have to read critique like mine. You don't try to rebut what critiques say and you don't say why this would be worth an Investment or just to stick to it. I'm not even sure that you really get what I try to explain here. But it's you who tries manipulative games. I don't blame you. Actually I challenge you to do a better job (while your question should be why that should be your job - shouldn't they have communicators in place to have this and other platforms at least under some control?)

Another important point, which I've already explained: If I would want to buy into this cheap, I wouldn't write in favor of a refund. Again: A refund would be positive for all Investors, those who chose to get their money back and those who still believe in this project. It would reduce supply (only if burned of course), it would reduce the risk of dumping on exchanges. I can not say that and be against anyone who is invested in this. And the team should be able to start with $20 mln as well, or do you believe that's not enough?

Binance:

"Binance.com launched on July 14th, 11 days after its ICO which raised $15m, (...)"
https://www.reddit.com/r/binance/comments/6zukht/binancecom_stats_and_bnb_valuation/

Not because it wasn't wanted but because they didn't hype it up like mad. Same with NEO (formerly Antshares). Their crowdfunding was in summer 2016. They've also raised about $15 mln (at that time it was the most expensive ICO I ever bought into - and just btw, it even fell below ICO-price first and for about 6 months). Factom in 2015: Only about $1 mln. Or Icon last summer: about $30 mln. I consider all of these as legit projects with professional teams who didn't hype the shit out of it. But this one needs about $50 mln just to make it's first steps? And they claim that it would have been easy to steal that money and even let ppl think they would have done that, but when Investors ask for refund: "no... we have to stick on the rules. that would only have been possible until 14 days after ICO!"

But yeah, I'm the shady one here. Dream on, honey! Wink  


Btw, I have some good news for you: This topic and my posts are unlikely to have much impact. Reason is this: "Read 15476 times" since it was created in December. The activity was probably on it's high during the ICO and now it's about less than 100 clicks per day and not even 50% by different people. No need to be scared. But yeah, I don't like the usecase, I don't like how they treat their own supporters/Investors, I don't like how they've hyped it and how greedy they prove to be, I don't like how they communicate (if they do that at all) etc.  And not a single satoshi of mine will ever be on the buyside if this hits the exchanges.

The only thing I agree on is education. But my approach is totally different of course. I prefer a much softer approach of respectfully communicating arguments instead of pushing others into desperation first to keep holding them in a stockholm-syndrome-situation afterwards. And while Savedroid asked for payment in advance to deliver their educational torture, my posts are for free! Wink  


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April 24, 2018, 02:16:47 PM
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any news about this stupid ico ??

i don't get my token i don't get my refund and they say that you sell our info
http://c.up-00.com/2018/04/152457892630571.png

i have Referral  that buy more 20M svd just one recevied his token
 i think i will creat group and call lawyer to get my money back and get more money because you sell my info and more money because this stupide joke make me crazy 
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April 24, 2018, 02:18:32 PM
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Brilliant piece of job done to post the summary of person who is actually doing like this even there is nothing to get worried about this project. I also think they deserve for second chance now we let this and look forward to find the way but don't make the people panic by repeating same thing again and again. Be positive and do a responsible job for community.

good points, but for savedroid.

Now they have the possibility (second chance) to take responsibility for their PR stunt and offer a refund for investors on goodwill (without any legal steps and ), which lost trust in them.
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April 24, 2018, 02:34:57 PM
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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin

Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: ..... my posts are for free! Wink  


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Considering that you made 29 posts of the same meaning. Since April 19, you are only doing this. As if trying to help the SaveDroid community - but at the same time you are simply doing FUD. I came to the conclusion that you are a real shiller.

Your combination looks like this:

You guide FUD on the community - you enter to the TOP5 exchange with high liquidity - you buy most of the SVD at the bottom - pamp the price - then sell - take a profit. Just Business Wink

If the team did not announce the TOP5 exchange - you would not even have looked here.

Thank you for such help - the community will solve their problems without you Wink

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April 24, 2018, 02:46:40 PM
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The latest pr stunt was too much in my opinion.

A lil bit more subtile would be nice, but it was too plumb this. Look at the Telegram group. People are still asking if it is scam or not day by day....
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Considering that you made 29 posts of the same meaning. Since April 19, you are only doing this. As if trying to help the SaveDroid community - but at the same time you are simply doing FUD. I came to the conclusion that you are a real shiller.

Your combination looks like this:

You guide FUD on the community - you enter to the TOP5 exchange with high liquidity - you buy most of the SVD at the bottom - pamp the price - then sell - take a profit. Just Business Wink

If the team did not announce the TOP5 exchange - you would not even have looked here.

Thank you for such help - the community will solve their problems without you Wink


i am very thankful for his support and bringing his experience in to show the truth. Savedroid now have another chance to show, that they care about their investors and their customers. who would give someone his savings without trust and that's the point, savedroid destroyed the trust, and not only for the moment, instead for a long time, at least for me they can't restore that lost trust, but they can show responsibility by offering a refund or build a buywall.
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April 24, 2018, 03:29:43 PM
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The latest pr stunt was too much in my opinion.

A lil bit more subtile would be nice, but it was too plumb this. Look at the Telegram group. People are still asking if it is scam or not day by day....

They were actually asking this also before the PR stunt. Wink

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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin

Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: ..... my posts are for free! Wink  


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Werd ich nun nicht los.


Considering that you made 29 posts of the same meaning. Since April 19, you are only doing this. As if trying to help the SaveDroid community - but at the same time you are simply doing FUD. I came to the conclusion that you are a real shiller.

1) Yes, I only posted about Savedroid since last week and I was not active on this forum before for some time. But what does that mean? My history goes back to 2014 while your account was registered in march 2018. Couldn't I come up with similar theories about you, just the other way around? Wink But see, I wouldn't even care if you are a paid shill or not but always focus on what you say instead on theories I couldn't ever prove (I wouldn't even see much sense in doing that).

2) My Nr. 1 Intention is not to be helpful. I came because I was a) curious about what this is about, b) angry, because I have zero respect or understanding for what they've done, c) fascinated by the psychological situation.

3) You are free to believe whatever you want to believe. And if you really believe what you say about me I consider that as wishful thinking. Questioning my intention gives you the freedom to ignore questions you maybe should have about this project and the team behind.


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Your combination looks like this:

You guide FUD on the community - you enter to the TOP5 exchange with high liquidity - you buy most of the SVD at the bottom - pamp the price - then sell - take a profit. Just Business Wink

Let's not forget that the concerns and fear this community is trapped in was not caused by me or anybody else who is like me. Critique about this is effect, not cause. That's number 1.

2 is: I wouldn't be able to write the price down. May I have influence on some readers? Yes, but not that many because this thread is not that important. You can see that if you compare the numbers. Most Investors have never clicked on this topic, not even once.

3: Your theory would only make sense if I would have any measure where the price should be and that it would come back after a crash. Since this team has acted with more insanity than some scammers I've watched over the years I wouldn't want to risk that. I don't see much sense in playing games and taking risks like that.


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If the team did not announce the TOP5 exchange - you would not even have looked here.
Interesting point because it implies that I believe that. But I don't believe anything what came from them or at least nothing what was used to hype.

I'll give you a simple lesson: Not just a given information is important, but also context and timing. Now let's take a look at their announcement:

savedroid ICO: SVD Token will be traded on top 5 exchange
https://medium.com/@ico_8796/savedroid-ico-svd-token-will-be-traded-on-top-5-exchange-f45a453ca3ef

Given information: SVD will be on a top 5 exchange
Context: ICO
Timing: 4 days before end of ICO

And there is more context: They've hyped with everything what came to their mind. Conclusion: That is hype. It's not necessarily a lie but the risk is too high it could turn out as that, at least in my opinion. And I don't buy things like that because I don't trust hype. This is a high-risk-market with a lot of shady stuff and I see zero sense in buying into anything that just has a little shadow. I have learned what they pretended to teach long before they've joined this space.

Now there is, in case that info was not a lie, also another scenario: It's possible that this exchange called it off because they don't want to be associated with this project. Did you notice that I've asked that question but didn't get an answer? Do you believe I'm surprised that no answer was given?

Of course, they don't have any reason to like/respect me. But they could give the info to you and others, right?

Lesson 2: When it's about communication of a team it can tell you a lot if you pay attention on what they DON'T reply on.


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Thank you for such help - the community will solve their problems without you Wink

The community will NOT solve any problems. Only the team could do that. A good start would be not to cause more damage and to give you and all others the deserved respect. In this case it would be a sign of fairness and respect to give those their money back who want that.
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April 24, 2018, 05:23:32 PM
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Summary of texts of tempus and his multi-accounts:

" blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...Savedroid is gone...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE...scam...refund...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam...blablabla...scam...refund...FUD...PR-Stunt...refund...blablabla...FUD...PR-Stunt...When refund?...blablabla...Website down..."I WANT A CRASHING PRICE"...refund...scam..."


Relax dude - you're not such a big whale.  So .... the bottom shark  Grin

Another nice try, @Nice_Try ;-)

But let's try it with logic: ..... my posts are for free! Wink  


Herr, die Not ist groß!
Die ich rief, die Geister,
Werd ich nun nicht los.


Considering that you made 29 posts of the same meaning. Since April 19, you are only doing this. As if trying to help the SaveDroid community - but at the same time you are simply doing FUD. I came to the conclusion that you are a real shiller.

I'll give you a simple lesson: ...

Lesson 2....

Don`t tell me your useless lessons - and I will not tell you "where" you need to go Grin


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April 24, 2018, 07:08:09 PM
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A refunder is not a FUDer. Actually a refund will strengthen the trust in the project for those who remain and potential buyers.
 
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April 24, 2018, 08:33:10 PM
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all those 40 ppl who joined the ama got a 20 min monlog about the fantastic project, and know for sure now, that savedroid don't care about their investors nor customers and there will be no refund, they don't even see a reason why they should refund.

that's the sad truth.

I still believe and hope in Escrow, trust, responsibility and that even in cryptospace are honorable people with a good reputation...

i do not have a problem with loosing funds, that's part of cryptos, but if savedroid get throught with that behaivior they don't differ from other scammers, with bubbling something about standards and trust and protecting people. they show, that they don't even care about their own investors and do not take any responsibility of their PR fail.
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