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July 31, 2013, 08:18:27 PM
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Fashhash needs to come to the market quick. Anything past october will have to come priced at half of the october knc or bitfury 400gh machines prices to be attractive at all.


+1 or they need to bring some serious power, units pushing 1TH/s min
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July 31, 2013, 08:21:11 PM
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July 31, 2013, 08:24:04 PM
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Wow that is some high power costs. I dont know that hash/chip really matters all that much, its really cost/ghash and ghash/Joule.

I think bitfury 100TH miners are currently the ones to beat...  ~1GH/1watt... $20/GH  25GH to 400GH configurations, with availability in October.

Looking forward to hearing the details specifying HashFast's cost/power/speed configurations.

Still waiting for my Avalon Batch 3 refund, and would like to get back into the mining space.  Hopefully HashFast will have some info out by then.  Knowing Bitsyncom, I will probably have some time Grin

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July 31, 2013, 08:34:33 PM
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Fashhash needs to come to the market quick. Anything past october will have to come priced at half of the october knc or bitfury 400gh machines prices to be attractive at all.

+1 or they need to bring some serious power, units pushing 1TH/s min


The hashrate of the miner is pretty much irrellevant unless you need a very high density solution (e.g. for a really big mine), since you can just buy several smaller miners to make up the desired hashrate. The factors that are important are GH/s per $ and GH/s per kWh (+ timescale of course).

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July 31, 2013, 08:48:18 PM
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some of it sounds almost too good to be true,

Anyway, if Uniquify has spun Hashfast a line of 28nm being good for 4Ghz... then past experience seems to indicate a SHA ASIC will have an absolute maximum of about 1.33Ghz on that, and may need to be dropped to 1Ghz or below to meet power targets. 100 engine chip at 4Ghz, too good to be true. 400 engine chip at 1Ghz, too big to be true.

We believe one previously announced effort at 28nm is using eASIC, so their cores are *much* bigger than they have to be. Of course their startup costs are much lower too, but it impacts the performance a lot. Look at the η-factor for other 28nm designs.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119668.0
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July 31, 2013, 08:55:33 PM
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We believe one previously announced effort at 28nm is using eASIC, so their cores are *much* bigger than they have to be. Of course their startup costs are much lower too, but it impacts the performance a lot. Look at the η-factor for other 28nm designs.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119668.0

The η-factor thing is total nonsense for ASICs if they're thermally limited.

Also, KnC is using a standard cell design, not an eASIC 'easycopy' or whatever. eASIC is just one of the companies they work with.

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July 31, 2013, 10:36:04 PM
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Looks like you have setup a nice bunch of socks to flood down the important questions on this thread, congrats.

And while I'm here... Any word on this hillarious twitter account deletion ?

I must say I am interested in hearing what happened with the twitter account as well.

I will be optimistic and think HashFast is trying to figure that out as well, while their "marketing" person is shrugging and hoping they will forget the incident lol.

On another note, please consider calling your unit something drastically different than what VMC calls their unit: the "Fast-Hash-One."  I confused HashFast with VMC for a sec and almost preordered from the wrong company Wink.

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August 01, 2013, 01:26:48 AM
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August 01, 2013, 02:42:43 AM
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We believe one previously announced effort at 28nm is using eASIC, so their cores are *much* bigger than they have to be. Of course their startup costs are much lower too, but it impacts the performance a lot.  
There was speculation that KnC was coursing towards an eASIC solution, in part because of OrSoC's relationship with them.  This has subsequently been denied, as indicated in a post below yours.

There are also rumors, which you probably have heard yourself situated as you are,  of private development seeking an eASIC solution.  This, of course, would be partially motivated by such extant advantages as indicated under the -Cryption section of their cores page:
http://www.easic.com/easic-ez-ip-cores/
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August 01, 2013, 02:49:39 AM
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Looks like you have setup a nice bunch of socks to flood down the important questions on this thread, congrats.

And while I'm here... Any word on this hillarious twitter account deletion ?

I must say I am interested in hearing what happened with the twitter account as well.
IMHO, I'd say it's nothing.  Over-zealous kids wanting onto a moving bandwagon.

I think it's pretty clear - and will be clearer if and when they here, shortly, announce the tape is out and delivered - this team is for real. 

Real teams can still fumble the ball, of course.  But at least they have a ball to fumble.
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August 01, 2013, 09:33:40 AM
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We believe one previously announced effort at 28nm is using eASIC, so their cores are *much* bigger than they have to be. Of course their startup costs are much lower too, but it impacts the performance a lot. Look at the η-factor for other 28nm designs.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=119668.0

The η-factor thing is total nonsense for ASICs if they're thermally limited.

Also, KnC is using a standard cell design, not an eASIC 'easycopy' or whatever. eASIC is just one of the companies they work with.

Just for correctness. Taken from:

http://www.easic.com/Spatr7ve/website-wp1/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/easicopy-ASIC-Product-Brief.pdf

"The easicopy design flow is shown below. At the front end it requires a eASIC Nextreme or Nextreme-2 synthesized netlist and
an SDC timing constraints file. After initial synthesis, the design is taken through a traditional cell-based ASIC flow by eASIC
engineers. This includes Design For Test (DFT) insertion and synthesis, and then back-end physical implementation which includes
floorplanning, I/O ring design, power mesh design, timing driven place and route, timing closure, parasitic extraction, final STA, and
tapeout readiness."


That means, the eASIC easycopy service is a normal standard cell ASIC design flow. eASIC offers structured ASICs (FPGA hardcopies) and standard cell ASICs.

So theoretically eASIC would be a partner for a standard cell ASIC too. But I would not choose them for a 28nm implementation, because they have no proven first time right tape-outs in this technology node and there is a hard learning curve for that kind of implementations.
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August 01, 2013, 10:08:15 AM
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On another note, please consider calling your unit something drastically different than what VMC calls their unit: the "Fast-Hash-One."  I confused HashFast with VMC for a sec and almost preordered from the wrong company Wink

It's becoming quite the custom now similar names/initials, Bitfury Bitforce Butterfly, ASIC Miner Active Mining, HashFast fastHash, Labcoin Labratmining, all the cool kids are doing it.

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August 01, 2013, 10:19:49 AM
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On another note, please consider calling your unit something drastically different than what VMC calls their unit: the "Fast-Hash-One."  I confused HashFast with VMC for a sec and almost preordered from the wrong company Wink

It's becoming quite the custom now similar names/initials, Bitfury Bitforce Butterfly, ASIC Miner Active Mining, HashFast fastHash, Labcoin Labratmining, all the cool kids are doing it.

Haha I think anything with 'bit', 'ASIC', 'hash', or 'coin' within a name, and general relevance to speed, or power is self explanatory within this discipline. You could probably create quite an amusing random ASIC co. name development tool using this principal Wink

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August 01, 2013, 10:43:57 AM
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On another note, please consider calling your unit something drastically different than what VMC calls their unit: the "Fast-Hash-One."  I confused HashFast with VMC for a sec and almost preordered from the wrong company Wink

It's becoming quite the custom now similar names/initials, Bitfury Bitforce Butterfly, ASIC Miner Active Mining, HashFast fastHash, Labcoin Labratmining, all the cool kids are doing it.

Haha I think anything with 'bit', 'ASIC', 'hash', or 'coin' within a name, and general relevance to speed, or power is self explanatory within this discipline. You could probably create quite an amusing random ASIC co. name development tool using this principal Wink

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August 01, 2013, 10:55:50 AM
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I said cool kids, I guess Sam and Yifu are hipsters.

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I said cool kids, I guess Sam and Yifu are hipsters.

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August 01, 2013, 11:27:50 AM
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I said cool kids, I guess Sam and Yifu are hipsters.

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See it works, mwuhahahaha!

(Damnit, I left out 'miner'!! Angry)

It does indeed work. Probably a good way to spawn copycat coin names too.

Code:
import random

def rngen():
    rnum = random.random()
    rinteger = int(rnum * 100)
    return rinteger

names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names1):
    rn = rngen()
part1 = names1[rn]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names2):
    rn = rngen()
part2 = names2[rn]

print "Your new ASIC company name is:"
print part1 + part2

Edit: works a bit better with print part2 + part1

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August 01, 2013, 11:33:01 AM
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I said cool kids, I guess Sam and Yifu are hipsters.

Introducing the Forcecoin Bithash Fastminer... preorder now! Limited quantity!

See it works, mwuhahahaha!

(Damnit, I left out 'miner'!! Angry)

It does indeed work. Probably a good way to spawn copycat coin names too.

Code:
import random

def rngen():
    rnum = random.random()
    rinteger = int(rnum * 100)
    return rinteger

names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names1):
    rn = rngen()
part1 = names1[rn]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names2):
    rn = rngen()
part2 = names2[rn]

print "Your new ASIC company name is:"
print part1 + part2

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August 01, 2013, 11:39:28 AM
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I said cool kids, I guess Sam and Yifu are hipsters.

Introducing the Forcecoin Bithash Fastminer... preorder now! Limited quantity!

See it works, mwuhahahaha!

(Damnit, I left out 'miner'!! Angry)

It does indeed work. Probably a good way to spawn copycat coin names too.

Code:
import random

def rngen():
    rnum = random.random()
    rinteger = int(rnum * 100)
    return rinteger

names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names1):
    rn = rngen()
part1 = names1[rn]

rn = rngen ()
while rn >= len(names2):
    rn = rngen()
part2 = names2[rn]

print "Your new ASIC company name is:"
print part1 + part2

Edit: works a bit better with print part2 + part1

improved version
Code:
import random

names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

print "Your new ASIC company name is:"
print random.choice(names1) + random.choice(names2)

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Code:
import random

names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

print "Your new ASIC company name is:"
print random.choice(names1) + random.choice(names2)

Choose from: http://pastie.org/private/jyv9c4dyxoxoy4mf8pq4sg

Challenge accepted ;-)

Ruby (1.9+) version

Code:
names1 = ["Fast","Extreme","Total","Quick","Fury","Total","Mega","Go","Lon","Miner","Smash","Con","HandRouted","Huge","Force","Monster","Beast","Wildcat","Eruptor","CalmDown"]
names2 = ["Bit","Coin","Hash","SHA-256","Ava","ASIC","Miner","Crypto","Blockchain"]

puts "Your new ASIC company name is: #{names1.sample}#{names2.sample}"

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