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January 05, 2014, 11:47:56 PM
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moving .. but so slowly?

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January 15, 2014, 08:41:39 PM
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Hello everyone,

60 PM's sent now, I hit my 60 PM/h limit and will be sending 60 more in one hour, and then the rest in 2h. If you have joined the complaint and don't receive a PM from me within 6h please contact me via PM.

I forgot to mention in the 60 first messages that the trading history from cryptostocks also needs to be included, and the calculation of the total amount of lost BTC should include the trades/dividends from that site also, you can make a cryptostocks.txt file from the information on the Legend page an attach that in the email to the lawyer.

And thank you everyone for your support and your offer to donate 5% of anything we get back to me, I also like to mention that some of the the LCSH members have put much work in to this case also, so some credit should go to them also.
 

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January 22, 2014, 02:00:36 AM
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Hello everyone,

Sorry that I haven't been more active here the last day's, I have been very busy with other thing's. I still have some thing's to take care of today and in 6-7 h  I'll be putting my full attention to this case again.

Also I like to mention that handling legal issues is not some ting I have done before, my expertise is being a sys admin, construction work, and electrician.
So I apologize if I'm not handling this case perfectly, I only started this thread because some one needed to do it, and no one else was doing it. It's a good thing I'm a quick learner Smiley, next case will be much easier, and handled more professionally.

Ok, I'll try to break down the issues in the last posts now,

About the time table for the submission of the complaint,

When I started to communicate with the lawyer, he told me he was very busy setting up the Italian Bitcoin foundation and that we were looking at submitting the complaint mid January, there has been a slight delay now. I'm sure thats because last years xmas holidays and new year holiday. I tried to take care of some business those two weeks, but found it impossible as all companies, official offices and banks were almost closed for those two weeks. And I'm sure the lawyer was not working during those holidays.

About the issue of trust in sending personal information to the lawyer,

I understand the issue of sending personal information to some one you don't know, I should have handled the issue better, I knew like SebastianJu and the rest of the LCSH that the lawyer was working for the Italian Bitcoin foundation, and that we had checked his credentials in the best way we could do without actually going to Italy to meet him. Also I knew that jimmy3dita had met him and he gave a good impression about him. I was going to ask jimmy3dita to confirm this now when the issue was brought up, but he did that before I could ask him, thank you for doing that.

I should have given more information about the lawyer before asking you to send him your information.

About the remaining amount of needed donations,

The remaining amount of the invoice I have is about 2200€, we payed 2853,80€ of the invoice with the first round of donations, the compliant will be submitted next week to the authorities, and then it will be time to pay the rest. If Bitcoin will hold it's current price level that would mean we still need 3.57 BTC (bitcoin.de price), we have currently have 0.415 in the donations wallet, so about 3.15 BTC is still needed.

The dead line for sending your information to the lawyer is Friday 24.01 2014 09.00 GMT

And finally a email I receive from the lawyer today, some parts edited out:

Hallo,

I received a lot of e-mails from people hurt by Labcoin.

Friday I'll met with the criminal lawyer to add to the draft all the data transmitted by the people.

Someone sent incomplete information or no personal data at all, but just the nicknames an trading history. These people will not be put into the complaint.

Anyway, currently we are good to go with the numbers.

I think it will be a good idea to put a deadline at Friday for joining the complaint.

Next week I'll try to arrange a meeting with police officers and then I'll submit the complaint.

Sincerely



Thank you HauntingShade for your information regarding Alberto, I will contact you later today.

So any and all question you still have, I will try to answer later today when I have more time to work on the case.

Thank you for your support,

virtualspade

 

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January 23, 2014, 01:02:12 AM
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Is there a public list of shares traded? Because I ended up selling the ones I had on btctc and sending the btc to cryptostocks and buying shares there.
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January 23, 2014, 01:31:34 AM
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Is there a public list of shares traded? Because I ended up selling the ones I had on btctc and sending the btc to cryptostocks and buying shares there.

You can get your full trade & dividend history from BTCT with your API key, mailed to you recently.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg4511034#msg4511034

Cryptostocks sends email alerts for trades and dividends.

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January 23, 2014, 02:07:10 AM
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Is there a public list of shares traded? Because I ended up selling the ones I had on btctc and sending the btc to cryptostocks and buying shares there.

You can get your full trade & dividend history from BTCT with your API key, mailed to you recently.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.msg4511034#msg4511034

Cryptostocks sends email alerts for trades and dividends.

In Cryptostocks if you navigate to account/legend you'll find your last 50 transactions. Copy/past this a excel file and add formulas to calculate lost Bitcoins (bought shares - sold shares - dividends).

If more then 50 transactions, then you'll need to add manually from email alerts (as mentioned by canth).

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January 24, 2014, 05:45:25 PM
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received email confirmation from lawyer today

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Dear Labcoin shareholder,

You're receiving this communication due to your request of joining the criminal complaint before Italian authorities.

The data you submitted to this email adress are complete.

Your position will therefore be inserted into the criminal complaint.

Best regards

Riccardo Xxxxxx

BTW, we still need 1.2 BTC to make up the 3.5 BTC (if correct) that's required to complete payment to lawyer

payment address for lawsuit to pay lawyer: 1PHDaiUMq5u3WTAwmYv7ioNnKfEGYXBtmT

if visualspade could confirm and let us know when due date for payment is required.
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January 26, 2014, 10:56:26 PM
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I don't have shares of crapcoin anymore but should i get involved? because i once was a shareholder but I'm not sure if its worth the effort.... is this going to make me rich? I sold my shares to someone else since i saw the ship going down.... so should i participate or not? IDK T_T

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January 26, 2014, 10:57:02 PM
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I dn't have shares of crapcoin anymore but should i get involved? because i once was a shareholder but I'm not sure if its worth the ffort.... is this going to make me rich? I sold my shares to someone else since i saw the ship going down.... so should i participate or not? IDK T_T

If you sold your shares, you have no claim.

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January 26, 2014, 11:01:19 PM
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I dn't have shares of crapcoin anymore but should i get involved? because i once was a shareholder but I'm not sure if its worth the ffort.... is this going to make me rich? I sold my shares to someone else since i saw the ship going down.... so should i participate or not? IDK T_T

If you sold your shares, you have no claim.

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January 27, 2014, 01:02:51 PM
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I dn't have shares of crapcoin anymore but should i get involved? because i once was a shareholder but I'm not sure if its worth the ffort.... is this going to make me rich? I sold my shares to someone else since i saw the ship going down.... so should i participate or not? IDK T_T

If you sold your shares, you have no claim.
IANAL, but...
Are you sure?
After all, if he sold the shares when their value was tanking because it was suspected to be a scam, why should he hold no claim?
Sure, he sold to some higher fool, but still he was damaged by the scam.

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January 27, 2014, 03:14:03 PM
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could someone give me the post what do i have to submit the E.Sam regarding the criminal complaint?  Like personal information, number of shares..etc.

thanks

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January 27, 2014, 03:42:15 PM
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Do you guys think it's wise to throw away more money at a lawyer, that will probably get you nothing?

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January 27, 2014, 03:56:31 PM
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Labcoin! Labcoin! Labcoin!
Yeeeeey, Labcoin!

Edit:
Do you guys think it's wise to throw away more money at a lawyer, that will probably get you nothing?

Yes, even if nothing is to be gained. Hunting down fraudster to clean up this community, and act as a deterrent to others, is worth it.

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January 27, 2014, 04:05:37 PM
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could someone give me the post what do i have to submit the E.Sam regarding the criminal complaint?  Like personal information, number of shares..etc.

thanks

The thread about the lawsuit is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=325431.0

Send a pm to virtualspade (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=pm;sa=send;u=144825) stating your amount of shares. He should answer you back with instructions (the deadline for submitting complaints was last friday, but they might be flexible on this).

Normally you should calculate how much BTC you have spent (buying shares), how much you gained (selling shares + dividends), subtract the later to the former to calculate loss and send this along with an ID scan to the Italian lawyer.

To get all this trade info:

Hi guys,
I'm still up to this! I already know the lawyer, I met him at the end of November during the first "official" Italian Bitcoin meeting. He's also the official lawyer of the Italian Bitcoin Association and he did a great job with all the "paperwork" needed to start the association in Italy (we got so much bureaucracy here, it's pure madness).

He already got my information, the missing part is about Labcoin: I have to resume everything and with the closure of Btct it's quite a mess (I have to track down the trading emails, the Bitcoin exchange value, etc).

He's also "lurking" on the forum, honestly I can't think anyone better than him for this task.

Hey Jimmy, Burnside should have sent you your API to you registered BTCT mail. From there you just download CVS files, open them in Excel and add some formulas. Very quick.

Thanks for making the CSV API available post-mortem, Burnside!  

For those that are looking to use it - it's really easy, just insert the API key that Burnside emailed us last night and a CSV file will download itself to your browser:

Your personal portfolio   https://btct.co/csv/portfolio?key=[API key]
Your complete trade history   https://btct.co/csv/trades?key=[API key]
Your complete dividend history   https://btct.co/csv/dividends?key=[API key]
Your complete deposit history   https://btct.co/csv/deposits?key=[API key]
Your complete withdrawal history   https://btct.co/csv/withdrawals?key=[API key]

For Cryptostocks, Kumala made it more complicated as your account only shows the last 50 transactions. Had to go through mails and manually enter the infos for the remaining trades/dividends.
Maybe you can have access to your full history via API, didn't try it out.

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January 27, 2014, 06:12:12 PM
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Do you guys think it's wise to throw away more money at a lawyer, that will probably get you nothing?
Yes, even if nothing is to be gained. Hunting down fraudster to clean up this community, and act as a deterrent to others, is worth it.

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I lost more than i thought but in order to let scammers know that the bitcoin community has jaws i will invest more to bite him really hard.

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January 27, 2014, 06:30:47 PM
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I got a e-mail from Labcoin yesterday (info@labcoin.com) and told me he will come after me if i continue to harass him. The nerves of Alberto to even reply back with that. It seems like he still checks his labcoin e-mail account.
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January 27, 2014, 06:34:52 PM
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I got a e-mail from Labcoin yesterday (info@labcoin.com) and told me he will come after me if i continue to harass him. The nerves of Alberto to even reply back with that. It seems like he still checks his labcoin e-mail account.

you're got to be joking Huh

aren't these email traceable?
if you did get an email from Labcoin, please please forward it to the Lawyer
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January 27, 2014, 06:37:54 PM
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No joke. I have several e-mails with Sam aka Alberto over the past few months. The reply i received yesterday was from a e-mail sent a while ago so i was surprised that he would reply back after some time has passed.
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January 27, 2014, 06:48:52 PM
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No joke. I have several e-mails with Sam aka Alberto over the past few months. The reply i received yesterday was from a e-mail sent a while ago so i was surprised that he would reply back after some time has passed.

Kudos for your persistence. I would've thought he abandoned that e-mail a long time ago.

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