Happy New Years! Seventh alt coin thread!

[timeshifter]

When I try to read this thread from my iPhone I get the message:

'You cannot browse this page at "bitcointalk.org" because it is restricted.'
'Allow Website' (a link)

When I click "Allow Website" it asks for a 4 digit passcode, which I don't know. 

I can browse other threads on this board.  Does Phil need to approve this since he's the moderator?  Is there some setting in my profile?

Thanks!

[rawbert]

So far the six-slot Onda with integrated CPU works well. Just the annoying Windows stickiness (allegedly linked to the 1709 creators' update - other rigs now seem to exhibit some sort of UI stickiness as well since I updated them).

That's good news; I've got two of the same board (with the Celeron CPU) on their way from China now.

Question for you and the group in general: do you bother with activating Windows 10, buy sketch keys from Kinguin, et al., or pony up for an OEM license from Newegg or the like? I wouldn't bother but it looks like you need to activate Windows if for no other other reason to stop Update from rebooting your machine every night, as it seems prone to do...

I don't bother.. it's still legit even without activation AFAIK.
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

[philipma1957]

When I try to read this thread from my iPhone I get the message:

'You cannot browse this page at "bitcointalk.org" because it is restricted.'
'Allow Website' (a link)

When I click "Allow Website" it asks for a 4 digit passcode, which I don't know. 

I can browse other threads on this board.  Does Phil need to approve this since he's the moderator?  Is there some setting in my profile?

Thanks!

I have no idea why that happens.

Go to marketplace and see if my moderated thread allows access.

The thread is a antminer t-9 for sale

Maybe you can not access moderated threads of any kind?

[JaredKaragen]

So far the six-slot Onda with integrated CPU works well. Just the annoying Windows stickiness (allegedly linked to the 1709 creators' update - other rigs now seem to exhibit some sort of UI stickiness as well since I updated them).

That's good news; I've got two of the same board (with the Celeron CPU) on their way from China now.

Question for you and the group in general: do you bother with activating Windows 10, buy sketch keys from Kinguin, et al., or pony up for an OEM license from Newegg or the like? I wouldn't bother but it looks like you need to activate Windows if for no other other reason to stop Update from rebooting your machine every night, as it seems prone to do...

I don't bother.. it's still legit even without activation AFAIK.
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.


Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

[GabryRox]

my conspiracy theory on the card shortage: profits are high and the miners who started in March, April, May of 2017, just ROI'd their gear, and with the coin prices high, are potentially doubling down on more gear.

or they bought em up to claim the equipment cost on 2017 taxes?

You read my mind Vapour... I could have just waited until early Jan when a lot of these GPUs are SUPPOSED to come back in stock... but then I would have to wait over a year for the tax write off and I really need that this year lol.

In all fairness though, the OP hits a good point but it's only part of the equation. I suspect a good chunk of the shortage is coming from new miners... those who missed the Q1 explosion but are now keenly aware of this 2nd one that started in Nov.  Still, I simply cannot comprehend how AMD especially has completely missed the boat on demand, especially for Vega! 

 I suspect HBM2 production still isn't ramping up enough to support as much Vega production as AMD would prefer.

 I have ZERO doubt that the AMD current shortage/price jumps are mining-related - and same on the Nvidia 1070 (which is seeing AMD cards pushing into it's price area some) and 1070 ti.

 Oddly enough there doesn't seem to be any shortage on 1060 cards - though pricing seems to have going up some.

You are correct about HBM2... there are shortages for sure as I have noted this in my job (financial analysis for various types of memory used by my employer). Let's just say that the bosses are none too pleased about 1) can't get enough HBM2 to meet our demand and 1a) what we can get is costing about 30% more than originally projected.

Still, I think even aside from this AMD missed the boat big time. and, the HBM2 issue doesn't explain the Nvidia shortages on their higher end cards.  THis is a lot like the market shortage back in Q2. First, all the AMD 4xx & 5xx disappeared then Nvidia was next to go short. I think there are still a lot of people that think AMD first when it comes to mining, given they were clearly the better choice before so many Equihash coins become very profitable to mine with GTX.

Anyway, I have my Vega rig built with just 1 of 3 installed as I am waiting for an electrician to do an assessment on my houses electric capacity before I fully ramp up any more rigs.  I also have 3 1070ti's arriving on Friday, so that will start my 6th rig, assuming my house can handle it lol.  I feel more confident I can get 2-3 more 1070ti's relatively soon vs the 2-3 Vega's I would still like to get.

Dang! total market cap hovering just below $700B!  What an amazing 2nd day of the year!

[P00P135]

So far the six-slot Onda with integrated CPU works well. Just the annoying Windows stickiness (allegedly linked to the 1709 creators' update - other rigs now seem to exhibit some sort of UI stickiness as well since I updated them).

That's good news; I've got two of the same board (with the Celeron CPU) on their way from China now.

Question for you and the group in general: do you bother with activating Windows 10, buy sketch keys from Kinguin, et al., or pony up for an OEM license from Newegg or the like? I wouldn't bother but it looks like you need to activate Windows if for no other other reason to stop Update from rebooting your machine every night, as it seems prone to do...

I don't bother.. it's still legit even without activation AFAIK.
https://www.howtogeek.com/244678/you-dont-need-a-product-key-to-install-and-use-windows-10/

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.


Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

You can install any update windows 10 without entering a product key...  Just use the media from their official site.  Its even updated with the lasted packages already.

[GabryRox]

Anyone here running rx 570/580 rigs dual mining ETH + either DCR or PASC?  I read a few places that while ETH results are about the same as 4xx cards, the dual 2nd coin piece is apparently quite a bit better than 4xx.  Has this been your experience? If so, about how much more hashes are you able to get out of 5xx vs 4xx?

Also, does anyone know if mining PASC with ETH is any less stressful on the cards than DCR & ETH?  for some reason, 2 of my 470 rigs cant seem to handle ETH + DCR any more... even if I lower the clock speeds and DCR intensity.  Same rigs can run ETH for days with no crashes, but adding DCR makes it reboot within 10-15 minutes like clockwork.

[slackert]

Just buy a product key from ebay for $5

[UrsaUrsa]

Just buy a product key from ebay for $5

None of my rigs is activated. You can install whatever you want and there are plenty of guides about disabling updates and preventing the rig from restarting itself. Yes it became a bit more difficult since the creators update but hey, 5 dollars here, 5 dollars there Disabling error reporting had to be pieces together because the stupid error window didn't go away on it's own and they changed the way it worked in creators. Just like they changed most things...

[henyojess]

here is an update on the algorithm OC/miner recommendations:



Here is the sheet opened for COMMENT:
https://goo.gl/SLjsaA


Thanks to KaydenC, Ursaursa, vapourminer,QuintLeo for taking the time to share.

Booooo for P00P135 who seems to know it all but could only share a snarky remark.

I have a zotac 1070mini lying around so I will try OC all algorithms and share.

[henyojess]

Guys,

The temps on the 6x zotac 1070 minis on this onda D1800 board is bordering on unacceptable for me.
Acceptable to me is all cards running equihash below 65C. The hottest card#0 ~ 68C and card#4 ~ 66C.

I already put a 9inch industrial fan(45W) blowing directly from the back. The fan is centered on the card#2 and is blowing from the back to the hot aisle/section of the room.
The hot aisle/section has a 14" industrial exhaust fan taking the air out. This creates negative pressure.
There is an open window to the outside beside/near the exhaust fan.
We stick on some insulation board/material so as to funnel outside/colder air away from the exhaust fan so that it only exhaust hot air and hopefully the colder air will circulate to the cards.

Suggestions to get the temps down would be appreciated.

[BSAlex]

here is an update on the algorithm OC/miner recommendations:



Here is the sheet opened for COMMENT:
https://goo.gl/SLjsaA


Thanks to KaydenC, Ursaursa, vapourminer,QuintLeo for taking the time to share.

Booooo for P00P135 who seems to know it all but could only share a snarky remark.

I have a zotac 1070mini lying around so I will try OC all algorithms and share.

A small comment here as I was unable to access your google drive file. Tuning is not so universal, my own efforts with old AMD cards and Cryptonight lead to different results -  maximum hashrate was strictly with maximum core. So at least you should have some notes of applicable chipsets|GPU. In my case Cayman GPU was pushed from 830 to 950 Mh core, 930 was stable but with huge power consumption and critical temperatures so I limited it to 890. Memory tuning have nearly zero effect so I stick with basic frequency. I was aware that Cryptonight is "memory intensive" so I double check my results :-) Maybe it will be a hint for non-standart GPU users to check where is your bottleneck.

[citronick]

Guys,

The temps on the 6x zotac 1070 minis on this onda D1800 board is bordering on unacceptable for me.
Acceptable to me is all cards running equihash below 65C. The hottest card#0 ~ 68C and card#4 ~ 66C.

I already put a 9inch industrial fan(45W) blowing directly from the back. The fan is centered on the card#2 and is blowing from the back to the hot aisle/section of the room.
The hot aisle/section has a 14" industrial exhaust fan taking the air out. This creates negative pressure.
There is an open window to the outside beside/near the exhaust fan.
We stick on some insulation board/material so as to funnel outside/colder air away from the exhaust fan so that it only exhaust hot air and hopefully the colder air will circulate to the cards.

Suggestions to get the temps down would be appreciated.

I have a 8 x 1070ti with less than an inch gap in between, running cool 55-65c, with a 20" floor fan blowing air from back to front.

Point the fan to the top part of the GPUs - the heat is likely coming out from the top more than the front outtake.

OR

get a few Scythe fans to draw out the hot air from the front - I think Phil has a good example of this in last few pages (maybe in the previous thread)

[citronick]

Meanwhile... one of my buddies ordered some wrong boards and donated them to me.

This is a small Colorful motherboard with built-in CPU, I can use my old DDR3s too.

if I stick one of those 8xUSB riser PCI cards - I can turn this into a decent mining rig or maybe a HTPC

[MagicSmoker]

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.

Yeah, that is a tricky one. Fortunately, you can get the 1709 build ISO from http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/ then just make a bootable USB or DVD and install as per usual. Then I manually d/l'ed and installed the NVIDIA driver package (sans GeForce Experience) and aside from some incredibly annoying things as a result of Win10 not being activated, it is mining away.

Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

Hmmm, don't you still have to pay for Win7 in this scenario?

[JaredKaragen]

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.

Yeah, that is a tricky one. Fortunately, you can get the 1709 build ISO from http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/ then just make a bootable USB or DVD and install as per usual. Then I manually d/l'ed and installed the NVIDIA driver package (sans GeForce Experience) and aside from some incredibly annoying things as a result of Win10 not being activated, it is mining away.

Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

Hmmm, don't you still have to pay for Win7 in this scenario?

My recent issue with win10 was with a recent download;  well, the ISO available not long ago.....  Ill see if a newer ISO is available on their website.  Most of my internet links are via cellular;  saving on update bandwidth will be a godsend.

You can easily use an OEM license as is found discarded on old laptops/desktops and whatnot.....   Or if you have access to an OEM activation tool for manufacturers/distributors.... 

But AutoKMS;  the kind that gets broken by a future windows update;  will not work with the 10 free upgrade;  as its a way they kept people from getting illegitimate copies of 10.

[citronick]

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.

Yeah, that is a tricky one. Fortunately, you can get the 1709 build ISO from http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/ then just make a bootable USB or DVD and install as per usual. Then I manually d/l'ed and installed the NVIDIA driver package (sans GeForce Experience) and aside from some incredibly annoying things as a result of Win10 not being activated, it is mining away.

Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

Hmmm, don't you still have to pay for Win7 in this scenario?

My recent issue with win10 was with a recent download;  well, the ISO available not long ago.....  Ill see if a newer ISO is available on their website.  Most of my internet links are via cellular;  saving on update bandwidth will be a godsend.

You can easily use an OEM license as is found discarded on old laptops/desktops and whatnot.....   Or if you have access to an OEM activation tool for manufacturers/distributors.... 

But AutoKMS;  the kind that gets broken by a future windows update;  will not work with the 10 free upgrade;  as its a way they kept people from getting illegitimate copies of 10.

All of my Win10s are still working without any activation - no impact in mining - in fact most of them are upgraded to latest edition - the one with the lake wall paper during bootup which is the version that supports more than 8 GPUs. Is there a time limit when the "please buy license or else" popup comes out?

[P00P135]

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.

Yeah, that is a tricky one. Fortunately, you can get the 1709 build ISO from http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/ then just make a bootable USB or DVD and install as per usual. Then I manually d/l'ed and installed the NVIDIA driver package (sans GeForce Experience) and aside from some incredibly annoying things as a result of Win10 not being activated, it is mining away.

Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

Hmmm, don't you still have to pay for Win7 in this scenario?

My recent issue with win10 was with a recent download;  well, the ISO available not long ago.....  Ill see if a newer ISO is available on their website.  Most of my internet links are via cellular;  saving on update bandwidth will be a godsend.

You can easily use an OEM license as is found discarded on old laptops/desktops and whatnot.....   Or if you have access to an OEM activation tool for manufacturers/distributors.... 

But AutoKMS;  the kind that gets broken by a future windows update;  will not work with the 10 free upgrade;  as its a way they kept people from getting illegitimate copies of 10.

All of my Win10s are still working without any activation - no impact in mining - in fact most of them are upgraded to latest edition - the one with the lake wall paper during bootup which is the version that supports more than 8 GPUs. Is there a time limit when the "please buy license or else" popup comes out?

You mean the watermark?  Seems to be random.  Also I read they are actually cutting off the free upgrade service soon.  Lets hope it doesnt effect the current free mining though. 

[citronick]

This is a problem for nvidia.

You need an update to install any recent driver packages;  which will not be pushed to you or install-able until activated....  It will fail to install the windowsupdate nvidia driver until the update is performed;  which is reliant on activation.

It was a recent hurdle I learned about when doing machine upgrades.  Couldn't install any nvidia driver until it has the OS updated to the creators update I believe.

Yeah, that is a tricky one. Fortunately, you can get the 1709 build ISO from http://windowsiso.net/windows-10-iso/windows-10-creators-update-1709-download-build-16299-15/ then just make a bootable USB or DVD and install as per usual. Then I manually d/l'ed and installed the NVIDIA driver package (sans GeForce Experience) and aside from some incredibly annoying things as a result of Win10 not being activated, it is mining away.

Simplest solution:

Install and activate 7;  do not use AutoKMS to activate....  Now update 7.  Install 10 as upgrade form CD or USB after SP1 has installed, and one more round of updates install after the SP1 portion; don't install 10 before this point.  10 will be pre-activated when finished.  Just process updates and you are off ot the races legitimately with no out of pocket expense.

Hmmm, don't you still have to pay for Win7 in this scenario?

My recent issue with win10 was with a recent download;  well, the ISO available not long ago.....  Ill see if a newer ISO is available on their website.  Most of my internet links are via cellular;  saving on update bandwidth will be a godsend.

You can easily use an OEM license as is found discarded on old laptops/desktops and whatnot.....   Or if you have access to an OEM activation tool for manufacturers/distributors.... 

But AutoKMS;  the kind that gets broken by a future windows update;  will not work with the 10 free upgrade;  as its a way they kept people from getting illegitimate copies of 10.

All of my Win10s are still working without any activation - no impact in mining - in fact most of them are upgraded to latest edition - the one with the lake wall paper during bootup which is the version that supports more than 8 GPUs. Is there a time limit when the "please buy license or else" popup comes out?

You mean the watermark?  Seems to be random.  Also I read they are actually cutting off the free upgrade service soon.  Lets hope it doesnt effect the current free mining though. 

all my rigs are on smos linux and nvoc linux, exception of 4 x Win10 rigs, so it will be no big deal for me however Win7 should still work with most mining apps.

[crazydane]

I moved 6 of my rigs to the latest win 10 creators edition yesterday using the current ISO downloaded directly from Microsoft.  Once I had the ISO, I used the MSMG Toolkit to completely debloat it, and proceeded to install onto a SSD in my test rig with a single 1060.  I installed the latest nvidia drivers.

I then moved the SSD with the completed install, into my 1st rig (9x1080Ti).  I was pleasantly surprised that after "updating device drivers" ran for about 20 minutes, it came up and all 9 of my cards where there and no missing device drivers.  I then loaded afterburner and NHML and I was mining again.

Rinse and repeat for my other 5 rigs with no issues encountered there either.

These rigs were running nvOC before, pointing at MPH mining ZEN.  They were all doing quite well, but the guys over on [H]ardforum kept talking about how Nist5 on NH had been doing amazingly for 10+ days, so I figured I'd give it a try.

So before, my 2 9x1080Ti rigs on nvOC were getting this: (I'm using Awesome Miner to monitor my rigs)



And now that they are on NH, they are earning this:



Of course it goes up and down, but in the close to 24 hours I have been on NH, I rarely see it dip below $80 and I have seen it go over $140:



I still have several rigs mining ZEN on MPH, and the earnings there are the same as before.  I'm picking up some additional SSD's today to convert those over to NH as well (I want to keep the nvOC SSDs so that I can go back quickly if I need to).  As for licensing Win10, I just get those cheap keys from ebay.  They have been working for me so far.

I withdraw daily to my coinbase account instantly with $0 fees, so my NH exposure is minimal.