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Author Topic: [BitFunder] IceDrill.ASIC IPO (235 Thash Mining Operation powered by HashFast)  (Read 378363 times)
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February 27, 2014, 02:07:25 AM
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Hiya

Financial report should be posted around the weekend. Just sorting out verified shareholder access to that download at the moment (same as mine state link), it requires a bit of custom coding.

Apologies for the lateness. All my fault, due to current travel and work priorities, all of which are directly related to IceDrill.

This isn't a real financial report is it?

No, the link you're referring to is not a financial report. If anyone from our side stated that it is, please show me where so I can rectify it.
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February 27, 2014, 02:14:52 AM
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Hiya

Financial report should be posted around the weekend. Just sorting out verified shareholder access to that download at the moment (same as mine state link), it requires a bit of custom coding.

Apologies for the lateness. All my fault, due to current travel and work priorities, all of which are directly related to IceDrill.

This isn't a real financial report is it?

No, the link you're referring to is not a financial report. If anyone from our side stated that it is, please show me where so I can rectify it.

Will, how much are we hashing?

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February 27, 2014, 09:50:33 AM
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Are any IceDrill funds involved with MTGOX? Just thought I'd ask the question...
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February 27, 2014, 10:10:45 AM
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btw..You can't use CEX.IO to determine the value of a GH/s because that value is artificially inflated by the fact that you are buying it like a stock.  People don't actually pay that much for the hash power itself.  Unless you think you can somehow sell your hash power on CEX, which you can't, then this number is useless.

It would be like an oil company being worth $12/share, and somehow misinterpreting that as the right to buy oil at $12/barrel.  Doesn't work that way.

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February 27, 2014, 01:47:55 PM
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I have received a draft of the audit, it looks good and was done by a third party.
As Will said it will be posted soon.
//DeaDTerra

btw..You can't use CEX.IO to determine the value of a GH/s because that value is artificially inflated by the fact that you are buying it like a stock.  People don't actually pay that much for the hash power itself.  Unless you think you can somehow sell your hash power on CEX, which you can't, then this number is useless.

It would be like an oil company being worth $12/share, and somehow misinterpreting that as the right to buy oil at $12/barrel.  Doesn't work that way.
It was meant for a short term overview, until we got the audit done. It can not be used for calculate true asset value as the CEX price includes such things as hosting and electricity.

Are any IceDrill funds involved with MTGOX? Just thought I'd ask the question...
No, we do not have any funds at MtGox.

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February 27, 2014, 02:37:30 PM
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I hope that I have answered your questions, if not please restate them in the same concise way.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AjO5QWRR9dAHdGN2bVhwclZxdkNDQXM2b2tiMi1DaXc&usp=drive_web#gid=0

We thank you for your continued patience and understanding.


I finally got a round to viewing this, and I must ask:  WHAT IS THIS GARBAGE?  Did you hack this up in 4 minutes on your phone while taking a shit?  If you're going to make up a bunch of bullshit to try and feed us at least make it plausible.  In what fucking world does a "snapshot of economy"  (whatever the eff' that is) contain solely whole numbers?

$2,000,000.00 ON THE DOT for HF hardware?  BULLSHIT.   What are the real numbers?  Further, if you're going to insist that these are them then I want some transparency.  I want a copy of the sales order posted to prove that this isn't a bunch of shit you pulled out of your ass, which I'm quite sure it is.  Feel free to redact any personal information. 
The bitcoin transactions for the units have been posted here before they amount to 20 000 BTC which was locked at 100 USD per BTC, giving us 2 mill USD for the 235 Thash worth of equipment.
The full trail and math will be in the audit so you can look at them yourself Smiley
We also have the receipts from HF if you don't believe me.

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February 27, 2014, 03:24:55 PM
Last edit: February 27, 2014, 03:39:26 PM by Minor Miner
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Ouch.   20,000 BTC were given to HF for 235TH/s?   If all were hashing perfectly that is 235 / 22,350 (network size) X 3600 BTC per day (since hashing at pools) = 38 BTC per day.
If the network never grows and the data center hosting was free, that 20,000 BTC will be returned in 526 days.
What is in this for you, DT and Will, since you don't get money until the 20,000 is paid back right?   Why are you still doing this?

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February 27, 2014, 03:36:05 PM
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yeah that's nearly impossible to make back now... tell us how you plan on making profit for yourself.

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February 27, 2014, 03:48:51 PM
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Whut? 235Th divided by 1.2TH nominal = 196 machines, 20,000 BTC / 196 = 102 BTC each, WTF did we pay retail?Huh

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February 27, 2014, 04:16:24 PM
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Whut? 235Th divided by 1.2TH nominal = 196 machines, 20,000 BTC / 196 = 102 BTC each, WTF did we pay retail?Huh


The extra super top secret nda deal... Unbelievable.
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February 27, 2014, 05:01:17 PM
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Whut? 235Th divided by 1.2TH nominal = 196 machines, 20,000 BTC / 196 = 102 BTC each, WTF did we pay retail?Huh


The extra super top secret nda deal... Unbelievable.
Exact price is 10204$/ One sierra unit.
One sierra unit was priced 9500$.
So, NDA deal mean that IceDrill is also overpayed 704$ per unit?
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February 27, 2014, 05:16:34 PM
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Whut? 235Th divided by 1.2TH nominal = 196 machines, 20,000 BTC / 196 = 102 BTC each, WTF did we pay retail?Huh


The extra super top secret nda deal... Unbelievable.
Exact price is 10204$/ One sierra unit.
One sierra unit was priced 9500$.
So, NDA deal mean that IceDrill is also overpayed 704$ per unit?
http://thegenesisblock.com/cointerra-and-hashfast-sell-17m-of-bitcoin-miners-open-second-batch-sales/


They were supposed to be October Units.

It would have been at the October Baby Jet Price of $5,600 or $14/GH For Retail
IceDrill would have been paying $8.62/GH

Also understand these units were supposed to arrive prior to First Batch from my understanding so yes they were getting them far below "retail" if delivery was on time.
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February 27, 2014, 06:15:20 PM
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Damn, is there a Doctor in the house, Doctor Emmet Brown? Doctor Who? Doctor Rodney McKay maybe? ... Hell, I'll take Doctor Oz if his ageing reversal protocol involves some kind of time machine hardware.... No doctors?  Lieutenant Barclay?

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February 28, 2014, 06:18:05 AM
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Back in Montreal.

Minestate monitor going to be down for a while, we're incorporating some of the latest cgminer (4.0.0+) changes, mainly based off HF fw 0.4 (dynamic core shedding et al changes).

(https://github.com/ckolivas/cgminer/commits/master)

Apologies for the status reporting downtime, the mine is up while it's happening...
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March 02, 2014, 01:27:33 AM
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Financial statement up @ http://www.icedrill.io/download/IceDrill-FS-20140203.pdf
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March 02, 2014, 05:10:17 AM
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wow you guys must travel first class... 15k for travel and accommodation...
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March 02, 2014, 05:18:04 AM
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285k in DC costs?  For 8 active Sierras?  Each one is 4U, so 32U.  How much of this is lining your pockets.  What a joke.
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March 02, 2014, 12:27:24 PM
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We've collected 24400 BTC from public share sales in total.
Document says:
Public shares: 19 237 745
Private shares: 2 803 262
23 023.68 BTC Raised from IPO.

By my calculations there is missing 1376.32 btc from public shares sales.
Hi!
Here are the updated numbers.
The reason why the other one showed some weird numbers is because it had some faulty assumptions based on old data which I had missed.
This one has been triple checked and is updated for the current numbers.
The table starts at the current raised amount of 23910 BTC and the current amount of sold public shares.
It then increases by 5000 BTC/3.125 Mill public shares.
The reason why we are currently not at 18 mill planned but instead at 18.5 is due to that we had an one batch of public shares open for sale at the same time as we closed a private deal.
The public to private shares scales up due the minimum requirement of 10 Mhash per share, to honor this the amount of private shares scales down at lower levels.
We also reduced batch three from 7 million to 6.25 million shares, this is due to the BTC price increase, we need less amount of Bitcoins for the budget for the data center.

We also added the % of private shares compared to the total amount of shares, we also included the mhash per share (with the investor protection clause).
Hopefully this will give you a better picture of how the distribution of shares will look once the IPO is complete.

//DeaDTerra

Still missing about 900 BTC from PDF.
Hi guys!
We have now cancelled the last batch and we can hence start finalizing the numbers surrounding the mine.



Each IceDrill share is currently worth 10 mhash at startup (public+private), calculating in the public investor protection clause each public share reaches 12.72 mhash (only public). One share is equal to (1/23,529,411) of the profit this is  roughly 4.25/10^6 % of the farms profit per share. One share will generate 9,54 Mhash in dividend at the farms start and 3.18 mhash of reinvestments, to bring each share to a total of 12.72 Mhash.
Please note that all these numbers are made with assumptions we have been given by HashFast, these should be taken as estimates and not exact number.

18,500,452 shares are public and will receive 75% (the other 25% will be kept for further reinvestment) of the farms profit until 0.0015 BTC has been paid to each share. Each share will at this stage receive 1/18,500,452 *0.75 of the farms profit and 25% will be reinvested.

We’ve decided to lower the investor protection clause from 0.0016 BTC payback to 0.0015 BTC payback as no share has ever been sold (from anyone) for higher than 0.0015 BTC. This is a 6.25% decrease. We believe this remains within the spirit of the clause: to provide 100% principal investment ROI in dividends, before private shares attain value upon entering the market.

When each public share has been paid 0.0015 BTC, the public protection clause naturally expires and the private shares will start receiving dividend (The private shares will become public shares). Once this stage is initiated the private shares will be converted into public shares and start receiving dividends accordingly. An announcement will be made when this happens. The owners of these private shares may then do as they wish with them, sell them, keep them etc. At this stage each share will be worth 1/23,529,411 of the farms profit (75% in dividend and 25% reinvested), for the exact way the farms profit is calculated please look back into the main information sheet.
//DeaDTerra

23910btc/18500452shares= 0.0012924008559358/Share (sounds very realistic)
0.0012924008559358*(19 237 745(public shares in doc)+2 803 262(private shares in doc))=28485.81 BTC

OR lets just take this 0.0012 price for public share: 0.0012*19 237 745=23085.294 BTC
It will make 2 308 500$ @BTC/USD100$.
Costs are 398 396$ for everything except sierras. 2 M$ Sierras. So
2 398 396$ are all costs to Feb 3 2014.
2 308 500-2 398 396$ = (89 896$) Our debt to someone. Also some part can be payed from mined coins so debt is only 66 022$ and by this date it must be payed.

6 120 000 shares * 0.0012 = 7344 BTC "GOT" from sold sierras that costs to IceDrill 520 404$. So by this change IceDrill got about 20 "bonus" sierra units and still 145 sierras that will be @ the end will be just 9MH/share

I dont understand what is "Invest in Cointerra", but i think that after this message someone will tell me about it. Didnt found any info of it.
Also because of everything i did not understand how much and WHERE have been invested private investors money and was there any?

Because of my "not-so-good" english i cannot sort out of some things, but my opinion is that in this PDF document some calculations have been made terrible wrong.


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March 02, 2014, 01:38:12 PM
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thank you!

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March 02, 2014, 05:11:03 PM
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It seems odd to me that the note on the cash flow statement for payment on the Sierras says:

"As per sales contract"

Cash flow is always done from actual payments.  Why did the accountant need to refer to the contract rather than either Bitcoin transactions or dollar payment receipts?  

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