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Author Topic: [ANN][POOL] ZERGPOOL.com - Multialgo, autoexchange, 0.5% fee, 250+ coins  (Read 54114 times)
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June 12, 2019, 01:31:37 PM
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I apologize if I sounded condescending in my response; I merely wanted to be clear in my explanation. I also understand your issue, and I can clearly see that 0.00332835BTC (first picture) is higher than 0.00321634BTC (third picture).

What I'm suggesting is that during the time you spent mining, maybe the exchange rate between BTC and LTC changed, therefore accounting for the price difference. You didn't mention when, nor how long you spent mining to LTC, so you'll have to look at the price histories to figure out if this explains the situation.

Yeah no worries. I did in an earlier message state that I only mined LTC for about 30 seconds, and the whole drop in balance happened over a 20 minute period.

It does seem that there is a conversion happening, and there is a small spread on the price you get for conversion, so you lose a bit of value.

My main concern in that any address, which by all means is a public bit of information, that has an outstanding balance on it can be maliciously manipulated to drop the balance. Not only that, I could even change the currency so the address gets paid out in a currency the owner of the address didn't want, or possibly doesn't even own.

I would like to hear some input from pinpins as to the expected behaviour on this
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June 12, 2019, 02:29:08 PM
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My main concern in that any address, which by all means is a public bit of information, that has an outstanding balance on it can be maliciously manipulated to drop the balance. Not only that, I could even change the currency so the address gets paid out in a currency the owner of the address didn't want, or possibly doesn't even own.

Wow, you’re right; there are some pretty big security concerns there that I didn’t realize while we were discussing this. With enough compute power, you could siphon any accounts you desired. I wonder how many other pools share this behavior.

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June 15, 2019, 07:12:54 AM
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Zergpool cheats and does not pay the earned coins, still waiting for payment INN
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June 17, 2019, 06:27:09 AM
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MINING TO A NEW ADDRESS WILL NOT CONVERT THE BALANCE AT AN OLD ADDRESS--

I don't really understand your problem, but the balance at the first (BTC) address will just reamain until pushed over the 0.0025 BTC threshold.  I have several addresses, and mine to them for different reasons.  YAAMP/YIIMP pools are like this,

 You should have a tiny amount on your LTC address, and your BTC address will have ~ 0.00243 still remaining.  If the value of your pending balance dropped on the exchange, your total owed balance will drop also.  The market fluctuates, only cleared coins (no longer pending) have a stable BTC value.       --scryptr

It 100% did. To clarify, this is the SAME address, just set to a different currency. I don't know how the pool is regularly supposed to handle the same address being used with different payment currencies because they're only uniquely identified by the address itself. I only realized my mistake when I went back to look at my Miner stats and saw my BTC mining address was now showing a Litecoin icon instead of Bitcoin and a balance of about 0.14 LTC. It had clearly converted my currency.

I can't be completely sure about the cleared amount, but I'm pretty sure it would had to have wiped my entire pending balance to lose 10% of my balance. To be clear, we're talking in the space of about 20 minutes I went from 0.00243 BTC down to 0.00221 BTC.

If you're that confident this didn't happen, I suggest you try switching currency on an existing address for 5-10 minutes or so and see what happens.

I also noticed it has broken my previous 24 hour balance graph...


SORRY, EXPLAIN IT TO PINPINS--

I cannot make sense of your problem.  I have several addresses, and switch them as needed.  I may leave a balance on an address for some time before  building it up to a payoff.  If you can explain your circumstance to PinPins, he may correct things.

I am not operating the pool.  Sorry if I angered you, but you may need to use specific addresses in any PM that you send to PinPins.

--scryptr

Hi,

Please PM me your wallet, I will get it fixed and balance adjusted back to correct value

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June 17, 2019, 06:30:43 AM
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The yellow/orange line on your balance graph is your total unpaid and the blue line corresponds to your balance as listed above in the Wallet section. The "balance" is the total value of blocks (or shares) which you have mined, and have been confirmed and cleared through the exchange (the pool must sell them first before they can pay you). Naturally the "unpaid balance" is an estimated value of all the the "pending" blocks/shares which have not cleared the exchange yet. IT IS NORMAL FOR THIS AMOUNT TO FLUCTUATE; confirming and exchanging blocks takes time, and in this time period their value vs. your chosen wallet currency can change.

It is likely that what you observed while you were busy changing your payment currency was a drop in the value of your unconfirmed blocks/shares. If you need a concrete value of your account, I'd suggest using only the "balance" (blue line) indicator, which should only decrease in value when you are paid out.

The spike in your balance graph could be explained by an orphaned block. There isn't enough information in your screenshot to determine with certainty.

Okay I get the mentality of 'this must be some noob user error', honestly I do. Especially with me quote such low numbers, and this being a new account. I sold off most of my mining gear about a year ago, just doing a tiny bit here and there these days. But I am more than familiar with how these mining pools work.

So, I have decided to recreate the issue, with pictures!!

Here is the address before:


Now I mine to it for a couple of minutes with the currency set to LTC. Wait another 5 minutes or so and check the stats. Sure enough, it has been converted to LTC:


Now I do the same thing to convert it back to BTC:



Voila. I have now managed to lower the address's balance just by mining to it.

This behaviour is somewhat correct, our change rates are pegged to exchange bid and ask prices. So what happens is the same as you would be changing your BTC to LTC and then back to BTC, losing on spread.

In order to prevent those exchanges, it is super important you keep correct password setting "c=BTC" for all miners on the same wallet.

I seen this issue, when users were connecting miners with both c=LTC and c=BTC, forcing pool to change type of payout wallet back and forth.

Hope this explains

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June 17, 2019, 06:31:45 AM
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Zergpool cheats and does not pay the earned coins, still waiting for payment INN



Hi,

sorry, pease check annoucments in discord, we have been appearing on wrong INN chain, so some blocks were invalid turned to be orphans


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June 17, 2019, 06:33:40 AM
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My main concern in that any address, which by all means is a public bit of information, that has an outstanding balance on it can be maliciously manipulated to drop the balance. Not only that, I could even change the currency so the address gets paid out in a currency the owner of the address didn't want, or possibly doesn't even own.

Wow, you’re right; there are some pretty big security concerns there that I didn’t realize while we were discussing this. With enough compute power, you could siphon any accounts you desired. I wonder how many other pools share this behavior.

True, I haven't seen this to be used as vulnarability, but we can easy remove this functionallity any point of time and stick to originall wallet payout currency always.  
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June 17, 2019, 06:34:44 AM
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What happened to Party mining seems I'm mining but not showing any miners

Hi

What is your wallet address or PM me party password.

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June 17, 2019, 06:37:01 AM
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What happened to verge scrypt coin???

Also curious. I hit a XVG block solo, and then noticed Verge disappeared from the site entirely very shortly after (except in the exchange chart). I wouldn't have even noticed (possibly like many others) had I not found that block.

Is there documentation available for the API? Ideally, I'd like to be able to get the current hashrate of each worker. The hashrate distribution of each coin would also be helpful.


1. XVG due to network behaviour has been producing a lot of orphans, downgrading actual earnings in comparision to estimated. So for the sake of accuracy between estimates and actual results it was temporary removed.


Also from discord ann
"XVG on scrypt and myr-gr disabled as temporary solution to improve mining result stability/experience from both algorithms. XVG new wallet is crappy a bit, and old one acting up a lot lately with its responsiveness to API calls, hence making issue for stratum stability. We will return it back as soon as v5. wallet is fixed for yiimp mining by XVG team"
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June 17, 2019, 06:37:48 AM
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UPDATE

1. All SUQA balances were finally accounted 3 days ago and payed out at zergpool
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June 20, 2019, 04:21:43 AM
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UPDATE

1. BeeNode at honeycomb algo was added for mining at zergpool
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June 21, 2019, 10:24:43 AM
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NPlusMiner ZergPool Edition
          Released NPlusMiner 5.0
https://github.com/MrPlusGH/NPlusMiner-ZergPool-Edition

Last Release:


Discord: https://discord.gg/2BCqPxe


NPlusMiner with GUI, AutoUpdate, Earnings Tracker and Monitoring


Candidate for AutoUpdate = Yes
       - NPlusMiner checks for updates every 24 hours.
       - If you do not want to wait, simply restart NPlusMiner and it will pick it up on startup


 ChangeLog

- Core Updates
    - Introducing BrainPlus 5.0
        - Better estimation model / Better mining decisions
        - BrainPlus 5.0 is for ZergPool only at this time
        - Other Pools Plus variant unchanged
        - We will work on implementing BrainPlus 5.0 principle for other pools
        - BrainPlus 5.0 now uses a combination of two estimations model for better mining decisions.
    - AutoBan Miners
        - NPlusMiner will ban miners after 3 failures.
        - Configurable in Config. See readme.
- Miners Updates
    - All Miners updated to latest version
    - All main algos at pool supported
        - latest additions: Blake2b, Honeycomb, x25x, Skein2

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NPlusMiner - MultiRig remote management|AI|Autoupdate|Pool/Algo switching
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June 22, 2019, 12:55:35 PM
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NPlusMiner ZergPool Edition
          Released NPlusMiner 5.0.1
https://github.com/MrPlusGH/NPlusMiner-ZergPool-Edition

Last Release:


Discord: https://discord.gg/2BCqPxe


NPlusMiner with GUI, AutoUpdate, Earnings Tracker and Monitoring


Candidate for AutoUpdate = Yes
       - NPlusMiner checks for updates every 24 hours.
       - If you do not want to wait, simply restart NPlusMiner and it will pick it up on startup


 ChangeLog

- Core Updates
    - Introducing BrainPlus 5.0
        - Better estimation model / Better mining decisions
        - BrainPlus 5.0 is for ZergPool only at this time
        - Other Pools Plus variant unchanged
        - We will work on implementing BrainPlus 5.0 principle for other pools
        - BrainPlus 5.0 now uses a combination of two estimations model for better mining decisions.
    - AutoBan Miners
        - NPlusMiner will ban miners after 3 failures.
        - Configurable in Config. See readme.
- Miners Updates
    - All Miners updated to latest version
    - All main algos at pool supported
        - latest additions: Blake2b, Honeycomb, x25x, Skein2
        - **Added Lyra2z330**

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NPlusMiner - MultiRig remote management|AI|Autoupdate|Pool/Algo switching
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June 22, 2019, 04:21:33 PM
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Some Scrypt coins might want to add to the pool

https://cryptorival.com/coins/parallelcoin/

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June 22, 2019, 09:40:40 PM
Last edit: June 23, 2019, 03:17:03 AM by grantemsley
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Where's my bitcoin zergpool?

http://zergpool.com/?address=16Qf1mEk5x2WjJ1HhfnvPnqQEi2fvCeity

The last 2 payments never happened.  The transaction IDs listed there don't exist.  So where the heck did my mining profits go? Huh

Edit:  The payments were to the BCH version of the address.  Wish the website made it clear which currency the payouts were but this is resolved, no funds are missing, and zergpool is awesome.
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June 23, 2019, 01:02:33 PM
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Where's my bitcoin zergpool?

http://zergpool.com/?address=16Qf1mEk5x2WjJ1HhfnvPnqQEi2fvCeity

The last 2 payments never happened.  The transaction IDs listed there don't exist.  So where the heck did my mining profits go? Huh

Edit:  The payments were to the BCH version of the address.  Wish the website made it clear which currency the payouts were but this is resolved, no funds are missing, and zergpool is awesome.

@Pinpin,
Please see discussions in Discord. There is an issue with Address currency switch.

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June 23, 2019, 02:05:08 PM
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Where's my bitcoin zergpool?

http://zergpool.com/?address=16Qf1mEk5x2WjJ1HhfnvPnqQEi2fvCeity

The last 2 payments never happened.  The transaction IDs listed there don't exist.  So where the heck did my mining profits go? Huh

Edit:  The payments were to the BCH version of the address.  Wish the website made it clear which currency the payouts were but this is resolved, no funds are missing, and zergpool is awesome.

Hi,

Thanks for report, we have implemented an improvement in way pool treats BCH and BTC addresses

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June 23, 2019, 03:56:07 PM
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looks like solo mining is still not working like is should, lost 1 block yesterday, and one more about 15 min ago (blake2b).
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June 24, 2019, 05:52:38 PM
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Anyone else getting occasional rejects on yespowerr16?

It awlays scares me when I'm testing code changes and I see rejects. I don't get rejects
for other algos nor for yespowerr16 at other pools so I suspect an issue with zergpool.

It looks like I get a bad job_id and submit rejects until I get a new job.

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June 24, 2019, 11:45:21 PM
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Yes, i know what you mean. I have that from time to time (in last few months) on different algo and only with zerg. Specially argon is sentitive to this for me. Usually it is working fine, then just starting to throw errors, but with new block it will be fine again for few minutes and then again only errors until new block. If i see this, usually i change algo or pool for day or two, because it will be doing that again and again and nothing else will help, trying again same algo is just wasting your time. If i remember right, i wrote about this problem few months ago, but without any reply. Maybe sometimes i will take a screenshot with this problem, but usually i just dont wait and immidiately change algo or pool.
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