[NEW] Bitmain Announces Antminer A3

[lunobird]

I think you can already see both sides with users venting in the last 30 posts:
SIDE A) Bitmain is screwing over the Sia community and those who supported the Sia devs by making miners for their own personal greed.
SIDE B) Sia devs are being childish and centralizing Sia by offering a fork that the penalized buyers of A3s who wanted to secure the SIA network.

I wish I could sell popcorn on the forums  

Ya I don't want to see either side get screwed.  But the way it looks like the Obelisk miners are getting the shorter end of the stick.  I wish maybe they can do something to help compensate the Oblisk miners.  Like maybe they are mining a separate obelisk coin apart of the Sia Network thats minable by oblisk miners that have unique value or Sia can have a separate chain called SiaCash for bitmain A3 miners or offer masternodes to the obelisk miners.

I dont' know exactly the solution but I hope I hope they can come up with a solution that benefits both parties. A3 and obelisk miners

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[BenRickert]

I think you can already see both sides with users venting in the last 30 posts:
SIDE A) Bitmain is screwing over the Sia community and those who supported the Sia devs by making miners for their own personal greed.
SIDE B) Sia devs are being childish and centralizing Sia by offering a fork that the penalized buyers of A3s who wanted to secure the SIA network.

I wish I could sell popcorn on the forums  

Ya I don't want to see either side get screwed.  But the way it looks like the Obelisk miners are getting the shorter end of the stick.  I wish maybe they can do something to help compensate the Oblisk miners.  Like maybe they are mining a separate obelisk coin apart of the Sia Network thats minable by oblisk miners that have unique value or Sia can have a separate chain called SiaCash for bitmain A3 miners or offer masternodes to the obelisk miners.

I dont' know exactly the solution but I hope I hope they can come up with a solution that benefits both parties. A3 and obelisk miners

Miners can choose to mine on Luxor, which diverts a fee to the dev team no?

[rummy]

I don't think Luxor mining pool is set up for asic miners, maybe in future.

[bigjee]

Any idea how the difficulty will change over the next week or month.

Is the A3 another D3 ? I think its pretty obvious the Obelisk is done at this point.

[DrG]

Obelisk strikes back  

We prepared for something like this by adding an extra feature to the SC1. We can do a soft-fork that slightly changes the PoW algorithm which would invalidate the bitmain ASICs, but allow the SC1 units to continue working.

And yet the SIA devs don't see the irony in criticizing Bitmain (Bitmain's pool actually) for mining empty blocks and being a threat to the community, while they are implementing some sort of kill switch in their ASIC.  Its almost like they knew this scenario would happen.  What a bunch of scum bags.

They knew this was coming. I knew this was coming. People in the Obelisk thread guessed this would happen.

Devs can do what they want - they are called developers. Sia community can give them the middle finger and stick to Bitmain's fork or they can give Bitmain the finger and stick to Dev's fork.

I'm waiting for Sia Cash to appear on the exchanges now, and soon Litecoin cash, Dash cash....  

That's not a question the "real" community and supporters of SIA ask. They are clearly stand behind SIA and team. And the same is true for Obelisk team.

On the contrary - the voices for a fork are loud in the community and not in the SIA team.

The question that comes up much more - are the buyers of antminers real members of the SIA community? Do you have to take them into consideration?

Or should bitmain continue to eat on the longtime work of others?

This is not the first time a possible fork has rocked the boat and it wont be the last. The possibility of a fork can be viewed with the benefit of hindsight vision when looking at the other notable forks: BTC/BCH, ETH/ETC, ZEC/ZCL.

In each case everybody is going to claim the other side is a fringe and not part of the "community". Are people who buy pantloads of A3 miners to secure their vision part of the Sia community? Well they are mining the algo and supporting it, but they're unlikely to be adding to the development of the coin. Can you see Jihan talking with the Sia devs... probably not.

I think you can already see both sides with users venting in the last 30 posts:
SIDE A) Bitmain is screwing over the Sia community and those who supported the Sia devs by making miners for their own personal greed.
SIDE B) Sia devs are being childish and centralizing Sia by offering a fork that the penalized buyers of A3s who wanted to secure the SIA network.

I wish I could sell popcorn on the forums  

The big difference in the examples you mention and this case is that in those cases they are still using the same algorithms, and the forks occurred due to major differences in the vision of the future.  The SIA developers get paid by taking a cut of every transaction.  Unless Sia is run by the Corleone family, a hardware developer who makes a device to hash an algorithm shouldn't need to get the developer's blessing.  Someone who mines the coin shouldn't have to be active in the community.

Yeah I didn't think about the algo being changed, but for all intents and purposes it is the same functional effect. It's not like ETH and ETC are ever going to kiss and make up and merge the 2 chains again.

Here's the thing though, Bitmain doesn't need Sia's blessing. If Bitmain sells 10x as much hash power as the Obelisk, they could always continue their own fork with the current algo. If enough of the Sia community does in fact support Bitmain (I'm assuming buying a miner means you support the project) then Bitmain will become the major chain and Sia devs would have to bow to the wishes of the miners. After all that's where the money will be going. Isn't that the whole arguement with BTC - Jihan vs Blockstream. If people get fed up with Bitcoin core and BCH takes over in value then Bitmain will win. The free market will decide the course - or supposedly it's portrayed that way. We all know some back room dealings will go on cough New York Agreement cough.

I'm not sure I agree with the statement that the one who mines doesn't have to be active in the community. Yeah it's true that most ETH holders don't have a clue what a smart contract is nor will they ever run a PoS node, but every miner and node is supporting a network whether they like it or not. Bitmain made this clear with ASICBoost. There is politics in mining whether the miner likes it or not.

The things that sucks is that the little guys, us, the peasant miner, get caught in the crossfire. Either the Obelisk buyers are going to get screwed or A3 buyers might have some trouble finding profitable work with their A3s.

I don't really have any skin in the game with either miner. I just hold some Sia that I mined with my GPUs way back when I stopped mining last summer when it got way too hot to dual mine.

[DrG]

I think you can already see both sides with users venting in the last 30 posts:
SIDE A) Bitmain is screwing over the Sia community and those who supported the Sia devs by making miners for their own personal greed.
SIDE B) Sia devs are being childish and centralizing Sia by offering a fork that the penalized buyers of A3s who wanted to secure the SIA network.

I wish I could sell popcorn on the forums  

Ya I don't want to see either side get screwed.  But the way it looks like the Obelisk miners are getting the shorter end of the stick.  I wish maybe they can do something to help compensate the Oblisk miners.  Like maybe they are mining a separate obelisk coin apart of the Sia Network thats minable by oblisk miners that have unique value or Sia can have a separate chain called SiaCash for bitmain A3 miners or offer masternodes to the obelisk miners.

I dont' know exactly the solution but I hope I hope they can come up with a solution that benefits both parties. A3 and obelisk miners

You know what be cool... Bitmain goes to Sia devs and says "hey, we'll compensate you guys for the wasted Obelisk development. We'll give your Obelisk buyers a chance to buy an A3 at 1/2 price that they can get delivery now instead of waiting 6 more months. And you guys drop plans to fork the coin and feature us as a Sia partner."

Looks like contentious forks might still be a thing in 2018.

Like I said, I wish I could sell popcorn lol.

[BenRickert]

I don't think Luxor mining pool is set up for asic miners, maybe in future.

I am pretty sure Luxor is setting up to ASIC. The Dev team is trying to push Luxor as an option for the A3 ASIC squad versus Antpool.

[VoskCoin]

A ton of Antminer A3 threads lol but here's my 2c on the subject I think it's really relevant to well . .everyone who bought one because some of the SIA devs are potentially conspiring to fork antminer a3's off their blockchain


https://youtu.be/ADK6SUGfb6w

[Jijothomas]

Antminer A3 SHIPPING STARTED YESTERDAY 

Received my tracking No.

[Nemedalist]

SHIPPING STARTED YESTERDAY

Poloniex  SIACOIN EXCHANGE SC/BTC :

 "SC is currently under maintenance or experiencing wallet/network issues. Deposits and withdrawals will remain disabled until a solution is found, which may require an update from the SC team. Any updates must be tested and audited before enabling"

[hawkfish007]

SHIPPING STARTED YESTERDAY

Poloniex  SIACOIN EXCHANGE SC/BTC :

 "SC is currently under maintenance or experiencing wallet/network issues. Deposits and withdrawals will remain disabled until a solution is found, which may require an update from the SC team. Any updates must be tested and audited before enabling"

I stopped using Poloniex ever since it didn't deposit 8 ZEC to my account sent by another poloniex user. It's been 4 months and they haven't responded to my missing deposit tickets. I moved to Bittrex ever since and still hope Poloniex will repond to my ticket and deposit missing ZEC one day.

[AerialGopher]

Antminer A3 SHIPPING STARTED YESTERDAY 

Received my tracking No.

I got a tracking number too!  YAY!  Now to find where to set it up to?  Which pools are the best?  I heard there was only 2?

And nicehash's live marketplace for blake 2b is pretty umm..  bad..

So where is the best place to mine to?  I'd prefer to get BTC or at least an easy way to exchange sia for BTC.

Thanks

FYI, I only have tracking number for A3, but PSU was apparently not shipped.  I do have a spare anyways for all my other miners...  See I knew it would come in handy.  More than likely the PSU will ship the next day.

[nycrom]

Okay im also searching for a mining pool for my A3...

the nicehash pool looks good, but is only under GPU listed. will it work for asic?

and which SIA pool is the best?

[harper86]

Got my tracking number too. Forgive me for my ignorance but why would the mining pool discriminate between asic/gpu? The A3 will be using cgminer Im sure, so how would it make a difference?

[c-none]

Just received the tracking no for my A3.

[bubislav]

What method of shipping did u choose dhl or something else .... i still get not shipped and i chosed dhl ...

And are u in eu or china or usa ?

[Jijothomas]

What method of shipping did u choose dhl or something else .... i still get not shipped and i chosed dhl ...

And are u in eu or china or usa ?

DHL - Middle East

[kryptolarz]

What method of shipping did u choose dhl or something else .... i still get not shipped and i chosed dhl ...

And are u in eu or china or usa ?

DHL here as well, shipped yesterday to Europe

[HagssFIN]

I got a shipping notice too and it was picked up by Fedex today 7pm in Shenzhen (Shenzhen time). 

[Marvell2]

Just received the tracking no for my A3.

how so fast thats crazy