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December 22, 2019, 04:35:59 AM
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I just want to know what would compel pirate to lie under oath about returning all of the funds to Og, if he indeed lied.

To be fair, Pirate could be motivated to lie or at least to exaggerate in various ways that might be a bit unclear to us, rather than "compelled."  No one has cross examined him on those points regarding OGNasty, because it seems that OGNasty was not part of that particular investigation, as far as I had seen.

Certainly, I am not asserting that Pirate did in fact lie, but to be somewhat fair to OGNasty, he was not a target of the investigation (at least as far as we know), but I suppose if there were enough facts that demonstrated OGNasty or someone else to be possibly culpable for a crime or even a civil infraction, then the SEC or some other body, like the Department of Justice, might have been motivated to bring charges against him and/or some other persons that were connected to the matter.. but sometimes they just are attempting to get the BIGGER fish (perhaps Pirate in this case) rather than the messy circumstances of the possible smaller fish.

  Surely, government agents have discretion in these kinds of matters, so their not bringing charges does not mean that OGNasty might not have been guilty of some kind of infraction (civil or criminal) if they were to chose to pursue an investigation in that direction.

So, yeah, there would remain a certain amount of due process issue if anyone were to attempt to ascribe too much truth to evidence that is presented in a proceeding in which someone else (seemingly pirate in that case) was the subject of the investigation rather than OGNasty or anyone else that Pirate had named as additional Pass through agents, so in that regard, OGNasty might not have been requested to give evidence. 

It is also possible that OGNasty was requested to give evidence, and sometimes evidence is not immediately available publicly - or OGNasty might have not voluntarily cooperated with any request to give evidence, and the Agency would then be faced with a decision regarding whether to subpoena him.. also a discretionary matter regarding whether to subpoena a witness and/or documents, and he would not have to be a subject of the investigation in order to receive a subpoena or even a voluntary request for evidence, if they thought that testimony from him would be helpful in any aspect of their investigation that they had been conducting.

I am NOT changing my mind in any regard here because I do think that what has already been shown so far in regards to the corroboration of the testimony of Pirate does seem to demonstrate that OGNasty may have pocketed a certain amount of funds that were returned to him after the date that he had refunded all of the pass through investors, and surely, the amount that OGNasty pocketed could be much higher than what Twitchy has argued to be the minimum amount that he can show to rise to the level of beyond a reasonable doubt (including considering OGNasty's ongoing choice not to answer or explain), and for that reason and maybe for other reasons, OGNasty has concluded that it would be better for him to remain silent rather than speak - since maybe his feels that he is NOT really be able to unambiguously clarify the matter, and if he speaks, then more questions might be raised rather than answered, perhaps?

Of course this is not a court of law or even any kind of administrative proceeding, either, but we still can be guided by those kinds of standards in attempting to decide how to look at the evidence and what has been presented as arguments, too, including the burden of proof matters, and including assertions from Tecshare (in his opinion) that whatever evidence and arguments that have been presented so far do not rise to a level of sufficiently proving OGNasty of engaging in the alleged wrongdoing. 

I personally, think Tecshare is being a bit selective in his own conclusions, but anyhow, if this were a criminal court or even a civil court, OGNasty could chose to exercise his 5th amendment right not to testify.. but sometimes adverse inferences can also be drawn from that choice not to testify based on gaps in the evidence that tends to show.  Of course, if there is no criminal matter pending, then exercising 5th amendment rights seems more suspect, but anyhow, anyone can assert that the burden of proof is not with them but instead with the party(ies) bringing the allegations.

If OGNasty continues NOT to cooperate, then we would have to conclude reasonable inferences based on the evidence that we have - which seems to lean in favor of OGNasty NOT sending the funds to the investors of the pass through after he received them. 

Of course, the burdens are different if we are talking criminal which would be 1) beyond a reasonable doubt (which seems a bit of a high and unnecessary standard in a situation like this) or in civil matters either 2) preponderance of the evidence or 3) clear and convincing evidence, and seems that there is enough evidence to meet either of the last two thresholds regarding more than just the part of the evidence (the smaller amount of the funds) that Twitchy asserts to have reached the higher standard (at least with the evidence so far including considering that OGNasty is largely refusing to materially cooperate (which maybe he does not have to), but we can still decide where the evidence points, too, even if he chooses to NOT cooperate.

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December 22, 2019, 09:56:13 AM
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If OGNasty continues NOT to cooperate, then we would have to conclude reasonable inferences based on the evidence that we have - which seems to lean in favor of OGNasty NOT sending the funds to the investors of the pass through after he received them. 

WTF are you talking about? Everyone received exactly what they should have and everyone involved was happy. Really fucking weak form of harassment to demand I continue to engage lying trolls.

The people involved and the SEC investigators know more about what happened then forum trolls who learned about Bitcoin half a decade later. Quit pretending this is anything other than the same group of window lickers attacking me again with half baked accusations.

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December 22, 2019, 11:27:50 AM
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WTF are you talking about? Everyone received exactly what they should have and everyone involved was happy. Really fucking weak form of harassment to demand I continue to engage lying trolls.

Quoting for his trial.  

More deflection.  True, they did receive your amended promise, but you kept the bitcoin that pirate returned to you.

OG:   I stole $100.   Here, have $20
Victim:  I'm happy.

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The people involved and the SEC investigators know more about what happened then forum trolls who learned about Bitcoin half a decade later. Quit pretending this is anything other than the same group of window lickers attacking me again with half baked accusations.

It would be better if you just ignore all of this as you were doing already, some of the users are here like witches to get your quotes out of context and start rambling on it. It's an long con accusation about an event which occurred in the ancient times of the forum when most of us here were not even involved in crypto. Many users around don't even think you need to answer on this half bakes.
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December 29, 2019, 12:31:12 AM
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There is nothing Ponzi about NastyFans.  If you continue to spread libel statements with no evidence and do not correct your prior ones, I will red tag you for spreading lies about provably honest community projects.

Any DT member that remembers this original text - if you believe OG spread libel statements with no evidence about my "provably honest community project", please "red tag" this liar and follow his example.

If you have been sitting on the fence worried the bull might charge you, now is the time for everyone to jump in at once.

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April 07, 2020, 04:29:21 AM
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I decided to bump this so we don't keep going off topic in the other thread.

At this point, OG is sticking to his "insurance" facts.  He paid out 65 BTC while holding as many as 2,600 BTC.   More digging through the blockchain is needed.

He has tried to extort me again in the liar thread - I have ignored him - so expect to see yet another thread full of deflection.

Hopefully someone will help out as this is quite a pain in the ass.

OgNasty was returning 8%-12% monthly for about three months while investing in a ponzi scheme that was paying out as much as 1% daily.  Yet OgNasty still claims to have been doing the community a favor. (emphasis vod)

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1% daily is as much as 136% monthly!   I would say he pocketed the difference between the 136% and 12%, but he actually pocketed the entire thing when pirate defaulted.  :/




I would love to have a skype/phone/whatever conversation to explain exactly what a scumbag OGNasty really is.

I can prove he's a liar.

I can prove he abuses the trust system.

Let's talk about it, if anyone cares.

Is this offer still open?  OGNasty is changing his story.  :/

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I didn’t know he was going to default. I knew what everyone else knew and you are a piece of shit to pretend otherwise. You make up numbers with no knowledge of what occurred and spread it like a disease on this community. Unfortunately, unlike your friends and family, this community can’t just abandon you to your own miserable life. We have to put up with your bullshit and lies until you grace us with your departure.

He asked if anyone else knew - now he is assuming everyone else thinks as he does.
Well, common sense has to play a role as well.  Is there anyone who thought Patrick Harnett & Pirate were doing honest dealings?  I certainly hope not.

I have suspended my investigation into his scam for now due time constraints volunteering security at the hospitals.   (Believe it or not, there is a major guard shortage right now everywhere.)  But I'm always interested when the prime suspect changes his primary defense.

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April 07, 2020, 07:26:37 AM
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I had no insider knowledge obviously. I lost my funds with pirate alongside everyone else. Vod’s numbers are also so far off it is ridiculous. There are no victims and I engaged in no wrongdoing whatsoever. Vod is a drunk who is mad that he’s been outed as a self described pedophile.

Vod, can you answer some questions about your credibility?

Questions Vod keeps desperately ducking...

What are the most jobs you’ve ever had in a 4 year period? Why so many? Who do you blame for constantly being fired from one job after another? After spending your entire life paying absurd taxes to pay for things like universal healthcare, why would you now try and flee that country when your health issues require so much attention?

Do you think someone with a history of lying and not being able to hold a job, currently suffering with serious health issues, who has admitted alcohol problems and is currently attempting to flee their country should be raising money from this community for a project with the stated purpose of funding their retirement?

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The insurance fund only grew until it was paid out.

^ Cut through the deflection and we have this one statement.   What does that have to do with what I posted?

When you knew he was going to default, you decided to create an insurance fund and forced everyone to accept that instead of coin you got back from pirate.  That is where you scammed everyone, by pretending you never received any coin.

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Unlike previous months no details on total invested or paid out are shared.
Reserve fund = ~BTC65, investments = ~BTC2,000.

Moving discussion since this is a scandal summary thread.

Edit:  Reposted since it is on topic here.

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April 08, 2020, 09:22:30 PM
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Vod claiming dozens of victims now. LOL. What a joke. Still not one person that was involved has ever voiced any sort of complaint to me. Want to know why? It’s because I was completely honest and fulfilled my obligations to them absolutely perfectly.

In other words, there was not a single victim and Vod is a liar.

More info on Vod’s constant lies, trust abuse, and merit abuse here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.0

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April 08, 2020, 09:26:26 PM
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Og,

How much was the 'reserve fund' for your pirateat pass through?


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April 08, 2020, 10:05:13 PM
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Og,

How much was the 'reserve fund' for your pirateat pass through?

It was the amount I promised the depositors and only grew until it was paid out.

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April 10, 2020, 06:09:17 AM
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Og,

How much was the 'reserve fund' for your pirateat pass through?

It was the amount I promised the depositors and only grew until it was paid out.

Twitchy - he had the fund he received from pirate - over 2,000 BTC AND the fund he sent to the investors - 65 BTC.  Notice the deflection?  (This is important)

No sense arguing about this - we just need to present the blockchain proof in an easy way people can understand.  When I have more time, or if someone else wants to help.

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December 10, 2020, 08:12:59 PM
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I had no insider knowledge obviously. I lost my funds with pirate alongside everyone else.

I know this thread is old, but just wanted to point out everything OG has said is a lie.

I’ve never lost anyone’s money. Not a single satoshi.

“If you tell the truth, then you don't have to have a good memory”

― Judge Judy Sheindlin

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Bump.  Interesting reading for those of you care about honesty and consequences.  Look at the difference between the original thread and as it stands today.   A lot of deletions and edits for some reason.

You can see in the original thread OG brags of his personal relationship and benefits with pirate, and encourages people to invest.   Today he claims he had no special relationship.  :/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20160212042638/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0

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Bump.  Interesting reading for those of you care about honesty and consequences.  Look at the difference between the original thread and as it stands today.   A lot of deletions and edits for some reason.

You can see in the original thread OG brags of his personal relationship and benefits with pirate, and encourages people to invest.   Today he claims he had no special relationship.  :/

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0
https://web.archive.org/web/20160212042638/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=75843.0


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I was told yesterday by the pirate SEC lawyer that given the age of the conduct, I should collect as much information as possible to have the agency run with it, and he also directed me to the FBI field office after OG sent the ripoffreport link to three dozen of my facebook friends and topped it up with penis pics (to me alone) I guess he found attractive.   That story will the details will be posted soon.

(Og continues this so I must defend myself)

https://nastyscam.com/index.php/2021/01/14/contradictions-of-a-scammer-part-1-ponzi/
(Please note, I refer to the scammer with the random name of "Matt", as I don't want to promote the nasty brand.)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5136576.msg56098090#msg56098090

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January 29, 2021, 12:29:08 AM
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I hope OG doesn't red tag me for posting this...EVERYTHING about it screams ponzi

There is nothing Ponzi about NastyFans.  If you continue to spread libel statements with no evidence and do not correct your prior ones, I will red tag you for spreading lies about provably honest community projects.

More trust abuse for calling you out on facts huh? Really outstanding work as a DT1 Member. I'm sure that's going to work great for you down the road.... Tongue



Three years later and he is finally off DT.  He was beaten by a government supported drunk mentally deficient failed night time dishonest security guard who had a stroke.

It will be much easier now to out other scammers that OG has been protecting.  owlcatz, start a prediction service and I'll pay real btc!  Smiley

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I was told yesterday by the pirate SEC lawyer that given the age of the conduct, I should collect as much information as possible to have the agency run with it,
Considering the 5 year statute of limitations on most federal crimes (the crimes with no/longer limitations have nothing to do with anything you are alleging OgN did), I would say this is almost certain to be complete BS, and blowing smoke.
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I was told yesterday by the pirate SEC lawyer that given the age of the conduct, I should collect as much information as possible to have the agency run with it,
Considering the 5 year statute of limitations on most federal crimes (the crimes with no/longer limitations have nothing to do with anything you are alleging OgN did), I would say this is almost certain to be complete BS, and blowing smoke.

It's seven years from the discovery of harm.  Are you a pretend lawyer now, in addition to a pretend scambuster?




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I was told yesterday by the pirate SEC lawyer that given the age of the conduct, I should collect as much information as possible to have the agency run with it,
Considering the 5 year statute of limitations on most federal crimes (the crimes with no/longer limitations have nothing to do with anything you are alleging OgN did), I would say this is almost certain to be complete BS, and blowing smoke.

I don't think it makes sense to use the existence of a statute of limitations as evidence to suggest whether allegations are credible or not.  I'm sure we could each come up with tons of examples of people that were clearly guilty of a crime but not charged due to a statue of limitations.  

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