[IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings

[NeoEasyCoin]

No more ZipZap? Ugh. The stock has lost a lot of its worth/potential suddenly. Also delayed opening until late Feb, so less Q1 divs.

The deal with EasyCoin hasn't changed. We never had, nor did we ever day we had exclusivity with ZipZap. Competition is healthy.

[NanoAkron]

No more ZipZap? Ugh. The stock has lost a lot of its worth/potential suddenly. Also delayed opening until late Feb, so less Q1 divs.

The deal with EasyCoin hasn't changed. We never had, nor did we ever day we had exclusivity with ZipZap. Competition is healthy.

ZipZap was for purchasing bitcoins. NeoBee is offering methods to save & spend them. Different propositions, but allied.

Could you tell us when you're revealing your more professional customer-facing websites?

[creekbore]

Guys please, don't turn every conversation into pages of personal attacks ... its contra-productive. I also don't like ignorant blind ass lickers, but I'm trying to stay on topic.

It's difficult not to when people abuse the laissez faire approach of the site by using multiple accounts to magnify their personal little bug bears into intractable, never-ending issues with the sole purpose of distracting people and manipulating the share price.
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There is no share price to manipulate here - there are 2740000 shares available @IPO price from the issuer.  No kidding.  And stop thinking in run-ons.

Since the IPO (and the migration from BTC-TC) the price on Havelock has dipped as low as 0.0018 (no kidding) and if you go through this thread you will see some users have been upfront about trying to get the shares as low as possible.

I'm not sure what you mean about thinking in run-ons; I'm assuming you mean write with run-on sentences? If so, can you provide an example: the sentence you quoted from me does not run on.  But on a lazy Sunday afternoon watching the cricket, I'm more than happy to get into a discussion about grammar and punctuation

OIC.  You've "invested" in something with a price that can always go down but never up?  Did that seem like a really good idea at the time?

As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

Was funding a guy who wants to become a banker so irresistibly sexy?

*Your run-on is quoted in my post, but "a lazy Sunday afternoon watching the cricket" with you sounds as attractive as getting the aids.

Trollin', trollin' trollin'...keep those wagons trollin'.

You clearly can't parse a sentence to save your life and btw the acronym AIDS takes the zero article.

Have an ignore for your troubles.

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I'm not sure what you mean about thinking in run-ons; I'm assuming you mean write with run-on sentences? If so, can you provide an example: the sentence you quoted from me does not run on.  But on a lazy Sunday afternoon watching the cricket, I'm more than happy to get into a discussion about grammar and punctuation

OIC.  You've "invested" in something with a price that can always go down but never up?  Did that seem like a really good idea at the time?

As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

Was funding a guy who wants to become a banker so irresistibly sexy?

*Your run-on is quoted in my post, but "a lazy Sunday afternoon watching the cricket" with you sounds as attractive as getting the aids.

Trollin', trollin' trollin'...keep those wagons trollin'.

You clearly can't parse a sentence to save your life and btw the acronym AIDS takes the zero article.

Have an ignore for your troubles.

Creekbore!
I won't judge you for choosing to forego schooling in favor of huffing gas, but a childhood spent experimenting with cheap recreational solvents left you ill prepared for the challenges of today's high finance...  Or tying your own shoelaces.

Now let's see if it notices colors...

[equipoise]

As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

If there were no shares at the IPO price you trolls were going to pump the price up to 0.0075 and then sell down to 0.0025. You little shitty trolls can't do that now. This makes the price much more stable then you want. Now the price is dropping 15% because of selling of just 5000 shares (0.1% of the shares) and someone is going to sell you more and even cheaper shares - this won't be me.

[bitcoin.newsfeed]

No more ZipZap? Ugh. The stock has lost a lot of its worth/potential suddenly. Also delayed opening until late Feb, so less Q1 divs.

The deal with EasyCoin hasn't changed. We never had, nor did we ever day we had exclusivity with ZipZap. Competition is healthy.

Right ... you call it competition, i call it massive fail in the field. CashCoin has 28,000 locations across the UK, EasyCoin has 0.  You created your competition, good luck to fight them   Who is payment processor for cashcoin? They are on their own now? Or they got a better offer from BitPay or some exchange? Shareholders will not see any profits from bitcoin sales via CashCoin, because its different company, right?

https://cashcoin.zipzapinc.com/
https://easyco.in/

edit : equipoise & co. : I don't get it why you guys are looking only on the share price in this stage of the company, damn, its not about share price. The share price is completely irrelevant now.

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As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

If there were no shares at the IPO price you trolls were going to pump the price up to 0.0075 and then sell down to 0.0025. You little shitty trolls can't do that now. This makes the price much more stable then you want. Now the price is dropping 15% because of selling of just 5000 shares (0.1% of the shares) and someone is going to sell you more and even cheaper shares - this won't be me.

Lol no.  I wouldn't want this embarrassment even if it made me money.  Ability to function without bankers is Bitcoin's greatest strength.  Supporting Bitcoin bankers not only consistently impoverished "investors" in the past, it's also pathologically stupid. 
Luckily, there's no need to choose here between profits and integrity. 

[equipoise]

As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

If there were no shares at the IPO price you trolls were going to pump the price up to 0.0075 and then sell down to 0.0025. You little shitty trolls can't do that now. This makes the price much more stable then you want. Now the price is dropping 15% because of selling of just 5000 shares (0.1% of the shares) and someone is going to sell you more and even cheaper shares - this won't be me.

Lol no.  I wouldn't want this embarrassment even if it made me money.  Ability to function without bankers is Bitcoin's greatest strength.  Supporting Bitcoin bankers not only consistently impoverished "investors" in the past, it's also pathologically stupid. 
Luckily, there's no need to choose here between profits and integrity. 

Then what are you doing here? You'll tell me you are helping others, but the real reason is buying low and selling high. Most of the people can't or don't want to handle bitcoins directly, but they'll be happy to use it's advantages over the traditional transactions and banks - here comes the need of Neo&Bee. Their ATM's and POS terminals are what is taking bitcoin to the masses and spread it across the world. This is what's going to make people use it for anything else then speculations. Neo&Bee is a huge step forward. Believe it or not after few years most of the banks will use Bitcoin at least as a transaction protocol, because it's the best option. By then Neo&Bee will be far ahead and the shareholders will be very happy. If you don't like the Neo&Bee team don't invest and stop trolling. There is a possibility they fail, but the odds are on their side. If you don't like huge amount of people, business and banks to use bitcoin why did you registered bitcointalk account at all? Business like Neo&Bee are what will make bitcoin find it's real value. I hope they'll succeed and I'm aware of the risks - actually they have risk analysis (Bitcoin Vulnerabilities, Regulatory Risks, Competition Risks, Infrastructure Risks, Market Risks, Cryptography Risks, Human Risks, Funding Risks, Natural Threats) in their Prospectus (http://lmb-holdings.com/LMB_Holdings_Prospectus.pdf). Again - strop trolling and go to your lair.

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As long as "shares" are available @ IPO IPVO price (millions are), your "investment" can't appreciate.
And there are no dividends.

If there were no shares at the IPO price you trolls were going to pump the price up to 0.0075 and then sell down to 0.0025. You little shitty trolls can't do that now. This makes the price much more stable then you want. Now the price is dropping 15% because of selling of just 5000 shares (0.1% of the shares) and someone is going to sell you more and even cheaper shares - this won't be me.

Lol no.  I wouldn't want this embarrassment even if it made me money.  Ability to function without bankers is Bitcoin's greatest strength.  Supporting Bitcoin bankers not only consistently impoverished "investors" in the past, it's also pathologically stupid.  
Luckily, there's no need to choose here between profits and integrity.  

Then what are you doing here? You'll tell me you are helping others, but the real reason is buying low and selling high. Most of the people can't or don't want to handle bitcoins directly, but they'll be happy to use it's advantages over the traditional transactions and banks - here comes the need of Neo&Bee. Their ATM's and POS terminals are what is taking bitcoin to the masses and spread it across the world. This is what's going to make people use it for anything else then speculations. Neo&Bee is a huge step forward. Believe it or not after few years most of the banks will use Bitcoin at least as a transaction protocol, because it's the best option. By then Neo&Bee will be far ahead and the shareholders will be very happy. If you don't like the Neo&Bee team don't invest and stop trolling. There is a possibility they fail, but the odds are on their side. If you don't like huge amount of people, business and banks to use bitcoin why did you registered bitcointalk account at all? Business like Neo&Bee are what will make bitcoin find it's real value. I hope they'll succeed and I'm aware of the risks - actually they have risk analysis (Bitcoin Vulnerabilities, Regulatory Risks, Competition Risks, Infrastructure Risks, Market Risks, Cryptography Risks, Human Risks, Funding Risks, Natural Threats) in their Prospectus (http://lmb-holdings.com/LMB_Holdings_Prospectus.pdf). Again - strop trolling and go to your lair.

Bitcoin has been "find[ing] it's real value" just fine without Danny's help.  You're determined to continue helping him play banker - I won't and can't stop you.
But asking me to stop pointing out how stupid it is to "invest" in "shares" of this miasma is absurd.

I pointed out that there's no chance for your "investment" to appreciate - millions of shares are available @IPO price.  Until they're sold through, there is no chance of upward movement (if you discount the people who can't logic or math).
You chose to respond by insulting me.

I pointed out that there is overwhelming empirical evidence of Bitcoin bankers scamming - from Pirateat40's Bitcoin Savings and Trust to TradeFortress to Ukyo.
You responded by insulting me.

Who's trolling here?

*Which reminds me:  Danny, how *is* that Ukyo problem resolution going?  Have you reaped enough awesome PR to finally tell folks what's really going on?

[NanoAkron]

I pointed out that there is overwhelming empirical evidence of Bitcoin bankers scamming - from Pirateat40's Bitcoin Savings and Trust to TradeFortress to Ukio.
You responded by insulting me.

Who's trolling here?

I take your point that there Bitcoin has had more than its fair share of scams in its short life. However, for this particular idea to actually be a scam would take balls the size of Jupiter for only a minor payoff.

Getting press coverage, employing people, opening an office, listing shares, all for less than US$6,000,000? It just makes no sense.

So whilst investment might be risky at this stage, it's not the end-of-the-world scenario you're painting it to be.

It does concern me that we were promised news on Saturday, yet none has been delivered.

Danny, if you're reading I did say that we investors want news whether it's good or bad. Hiding bad news can be even worse than just explaining it.

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I take your point that there Bitcoin has had more than its fair share of scams in its short life. However, for this particular idea to actually be a scam would take balls the size of Jupiter for only a minor payoff.
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I'm not sure what you consider "minor.'  A healthy sum was raised by the IPVO [sic], and more coin continues rolling.  At least the hand's out.
I never thought about the size of Danny's balls, but since you bring it up...  How big were Pirateat40's, TradeFortress' and, finally Ukyo's?
My guess is Danny is a bit slicker than the others mentioned, and when this fiasco goes tits up, it will look like a real failed business.  Not a scam at all.

And I'm not even touching the logic of tying up & risking money in shares that can be bought later @ exactly the same price.

[Herp]

Guys.... Neo is opening next month ffs. This company has never been in better position. So buckle up and enjoy the ride.

[NanoAkron]

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I take your point that there Bitcoin has had more than its fair share of scams in its short life. However, for this particular idea to actually be a scam would take balls the size of Jupiter for only a minor payoff.
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I'm not sure what you consider "minor.'  A healthy sum was raised by the IPVO [sic], and more coin continues rolling.  At least the hand's out.
I never thought about the size of Danny's balls, but since you bring it up...  How big were Pirateat40's, TradeFortress' and, finally Ukyo's?
My guess is Danny is a bit slicker than the others mentioned, and when this fiasco goes tits up, it will look like a real failed business.  Not a scam at all.

And I'm not even touching the logic of tying up & risking money in shares that can be bought later @ exactly the same price.

Nobody is stopping you from buying later at the same price (if it stays that way - again, no guarantees here).

What we are trying to say is that this would be such a monumental scam that there would be real-world consequences for Danny and the others.

Yes, businesses fail in the real world. But a business like NeoBee needs to come along sometime for Bitcoin, and Cyprus + the Euro is the perfect storm to allow it to happen here and now. That's why I've invested.

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I take your point that there Bitcoin has had more than its fair share of scams in its short life. However, for this particular idea to actually be a scam would take balls the size of Jupiter for only a minor payoff.
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I'm not sure what you consider "minor.'  A healthy sum was raised by the IPVO [sic], and more coin continues rolling.  At least the hand's out.
I never thought about the size of Danny's balls, but since you bring it up...  How big were Pirateat40's, TradeFortress' and, finally Ukyo's?
My guess is Danny is a bit slicker than the others mentioned, and when this fiasco goes tits up, it will look like a real failed business.  Not a scam at all.

And I'm not even touching the logic of tying up & risking money in shares that can be bought later @ exactly the same price.

Nobody is stopping you from buying later at the same price (if it stays that way - again, no guarantees here).

What we are trying to say is that this would be such a monumental scam that there would be real-world consequences for Danny and the others.

Yes, businesses fail in the real world. But a business like NeoBee needs to come along sometime for Bitcoin, and Cyprus + the Euro is the perfect storm to allow it to happen here and now. That's why I've invested.

What I'm trying to say is a scam is indistinguishable from a failed venture when done right.  I believe that Danny is smart enough to do it right, so that there will be no consequences at all.
It will look exactly like a failed business.
Failure is not a crime.

And no, Bitcoin needs no banks.  That's the most interesting and attractive thing about Bitcoin.
Danny trying to buy into fiat banks only makes the whole thing stink more.
Do not want.

[NanoAkron]

What I'm trying to say is a scam is indistinguishable from a failed venture when done right.  I believe that Danny is smart enough to do it right, so that there will be no consequences at all.
It will look exactly like a failed business.
Failure is not a crime.

Wow. Ok, for my education, can you name any other 'scams' like this one? And not bitcoin ones, real world ones like NeoBee.

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What I'm trying to say is a scam is indistinguishable from a failed venture when done right.  I believe that Danny is smart enough to do it right, so that there will be no consequences at all.
It will look exactly like a failed business.
Failure is not a crime.

Wow. Ok, for my education, can you name any other 'scams' like this one? And not bitcoin ones, real world ones like NeoBee.

What makes NeoBee any different from Ukyo's WeEx, other than renting an office?  What type of IRL example are you looking for?
Danny is a d00d that funded his "bank" by selling (at best) gray market shares by floating an IPVO (there's that playful "V," lol) on an unlicenced Canadian exchange purportedly sold to a Panamanian shelf co in the meantime.
What here inspires you with confidence?  The wacky picture of him on the cover of Cypriot TV guide?
Other than his desire to buy into a fiat bank and jetting around the globe on your nickel, this bag is right in the same back alley as Pirateat40, Tradefortress & Ukyo's efforts.

[runam0k]

What makes NeoBee any different from Ukyo's WeEx, other than renting an office?

So presumably you're hear to rescue anyone considering investing BTC in this or any other BTC based security/venture/scam?

Okay, noted, thx bye.

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What makes NeoBee any different from Ukyo's WeEx, other than renting an office?

So presumably you're hear to rescue anyone considering investing BTC in this or any other BTC based security/venture/scam?

Okay, noted, thx bye.

No.  You can't be helped.  I'm here to rid my Bitcoin of this fail & aids.
Please stop shitting up my bitcoin by being scammed over and over.
It's hard to keep the rats at bay when so many here offer their limbs to feed them, but it's a job worth doing.

[Stelios]

What makes NeoBee any different from Ukyo's WeEx, other than renting an office?

So presumably you're hear to rescue anyone considering investing BTC in this or any other BTC based security/venture/scam?

Okay, noted, thx bye.

No.  You can't be helped.  I'm here to rid my Bitcoin of this fail & aids.
Please stop shitting up my bitcoin by being scammed over and over.
It's hard to keep the rats at bay when so many here offer their limbs to feed them, but it's a job worth doing.

The coolest thing about btc is that each one is responsible for his own btcs. No need for collective insurances here .

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For the likes of creekbore, claiming that legal issues are irrelevant to bitcoin, a bit of news:

"The CEO of BitInstant, a Bitcoin exchange, has been arrested at JFK airport and charged with money laundering.
Charlie Shrem, along with a co-conspirator, is accused of selling over $1 million in Bitcoin to Silk Road users, who would then use them to buy drugs and other illicit items."

Yes, Dorothy, people do get pwnt for stupid shit.

Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/report-ceo-of-major-bitcoin-exchange-arrested-2014-1#ixzz2rcQkptgB