bustabit – The original crash game

[DarkStar_]

Bustabit credits deposits after a single confirmation. If you're really itching to play, increase the network fee when sending BTC to the site in order to get an expedited deposit timeframe.

I believe that you can also pay a small fee to precredit an unconfirmed deposit if you forgot to send with a high fee.

[hopenotlate]

DarkStar is exactly correct : here is a partial quote of original post of thus thread.

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Deposit precredits
Don't want to wait for your deposit to be confirmed? Precredit it for a small fee and start playing immediately!

Not all deposits are eligible to be precredited and your precredited balance cannot be withdrawn, tipped or invested until your deposit confirms.

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[Battareus]

Bustabit credits deposits after a single confirmation. If you're really itching to play, increase the network fee when sending BTC to the site in order to get an expedited deposit timeframe.

I believe that you can also pay a small fee to precredit an unconfirmed deposit if you forgot to send with a high fee.

Is not so simple. When you send BTC from an exchange and try to add the deposit on the BaB without waiting for a block, it writes an error that the sender has marked the transaction as canceled (replaceable by a larger commission). Also, when sending from the exchange you can not choose a bigger commission, I get it in 0.00004 range.

[malevolent]

Yes, bustabit is very conservative when deciding which transactions it allows the user to precredit but that should come with no surprise. And almost everyone else waits for at least 1 confirmation anyway.

[dooglus]

This is a nice calculator to determine the chance of a losing streak of certain length over a number of games.

I don't think it's very accurate. I asked it the chance of losing at least once out of two 50% rolls. There are 4 possibilities: WW, WL, LW, LL. 3 of the 4 involve at least 1 loss, so the correct answer is 3/4 or 75%. But it somehow came up with 5/8 or 62.5%:

As soon as you decide to put a large bet on a small cash-out value, there will certainly be a red value that is less than what you thought. Maybe this is a psychological attitude I do not know.

The crash point of each game has already been determined. You deciding to place a large bet changes nothing about the crash point. You can prove this to yourself by checking the past results. Each game's crash point is completely determined by the hash of the seed of the following game.

I know that an each bet does not depend on another

This is true.

If an event  (in this case, a bust at 90x) does not occur during the time during it usually took place, then the chance that the event will occur will increases.

This is false. It directly contradicts your previous statement.

[Battareus]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

[darewaller]

Yes, bustabit is very conservative when deciding which transactions it allows the user to precredit but that should come with no surprise. And almost everyone else waits for at least 1 confirmation anyway.

I don't get how people can't wait for just one confirmation, this doesn't really take that long after all it is just 1 confirmation.

If you feel like you are not sure about gambling after half an hour maybe you should not gamble to begin with. If this was a complaint from investors I would totally get it because investors would want people to gamble with some hype right away and lose all their money instead of waiting half an hour or an hour to gamble so they wouldn't think about it too long and give up and decide not to gamble, investors want people to lose money after all.

But, when you are a gambler who is telling people you can't gamble fast enough because it requires confirmation then I am sorry but there is two possibilities, either you are an addict or you want to double spend.

[Battareus]

Yes, bustabit is very conservative when deciding which transactions it allows the user to precredit but that should come with no surprise. And almost everyone else waits for at least 1 confirmation anyway.

If you feel like you are not sure about gambling after half an hour maybe you should not gamble to begin with. If this was a complaint from investors I would totally get it because investors would want people to gamble with some hype right away and lose all their money instead of waiting half an hour or an hour to gamble so they wouldn't think about it too long and give up and decide not to gamble, investors want people to lose money after all.

On the one hand you’re right, if a person can’t wait for a deposit, then it’s unlikely that he can play calmly and not lose immediately when the deposit comes, but on the other hand there are times in the game when you’re 100% sure that it’s time to place a bet, but you can’t because you have to wait.

[JollyGood]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

[Battareus]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

Yes, I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

[jostorres]

Yes, bustabit is very conservative when deciding which transactions it allows the user to precredit but that should come with no surprise. And almost everyone else waits for at least 1 confirmation anyway.

I don't get how people can't wait for just one confirmation, this doesn't really take that long after all it is just 1 confirmation.

If you feel like you are not sure about gambling after half an hour maybe you should not gamble to begin with. If this was a complaint from investors I would totally get it because investors would want people to gamble with some hype right away and lose all their money instead of waiting half an hour or an hour to gamble so they wouldn't think about it too long and give up and decide not to gamble, investors want people to lose money after all.

But, when you are a gambler who is telling people you can't gamble fast enough because it requires confirmation then I am sorry but there is two possibilities, either you are an addict or you want to double spend.

Confirmations are actually an important part of gambling plus bustabit doesn't really need money like that, sure they do want to get rich and all that but that doesn't mean they want to make people gamble in a rush to lose all their money, that wouldn't be ethical and bustabit is ethical if nothing else. Right now, confirmation makes sure they are legit people and not double spenders.

It is really not as ethical as it is technical. So, you give up the right to get rushing impulse gamblers money and they may not lose too much in here and so forth, which is business wise not a great idea but at the same time you are not getting any double spenders and so forth which is business wise a great idea. So, which one do you want, a website with more gamblers losing for impulsive gambling but also some double spenders? Or no impulsive losses yet no double spending allowed?

[JollyGood]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

Whatever might be the cause seems specific to your device because nobody else has reported the same issue with Chrome or any other browser. Did you download any other browser just to test to see what happens?

Yes, I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

I wonder if devans might be able to shed any light on this.

So far you are the only person posting about this specific issue so it is not wide spread. Could it be something to do with a bug in the code?

[GamblingSiteFinder]

as i said before this game rigged when they saw to many players win they update new patch also when btc goes high they update the site so rigged

Who exactly is this game rigged in favor of then?? Because I began investing in the Bustabit bankroll roughly three months ago and I'm actually facing a net loss at the moment.

[malevolent]

Who exactly is this game rigged in favor of then?? Because I began investing in the Bustabit bankroll roughly three months ago and I'm actually facing a net loss at the moment.

But you're probably not far from breaking even right? I'm guessing no more than several weeks away assuming most of what you invested was 3 months ago. At least bustabit has enough volume, on bustadice it takes longer to pay off the dilution fee.

[higghigghigg]

I think if given the choice I would rather not be included in bets of say of over 5 btc. Smaller bets spread out the risk, I am not a gambler as such myself and I am relying on the house edge over many bets to slowly net a profit, I wouldn't 'all in' this btc on a bet I had slightly more than 50% chance of winning. I don't think I should be judged so harshly for not wanting my investment here to be so volatile. I have been happy with bustabit and I think daniel has done a great job, I just don't want to wake up rekt by whales if something similar happens again with the max bet so high. I have divested now, good luck with the site.

If your invested funds were only used for lots of low-risk bets, then Daniel would have absolutely no reason to even take your money Pretty much the only reason that bankroll investing even exists is because the site owner doesn't want to take the risk/variance themselves, so they give it to investors in exchange for some of the EV.

Unfortunately there's no free-lunch, and the sites that promise such (e.g. "bitcoin doublers") tend to be scams. But I think you did the right thing by divesting.

I think the good rule of thumb for bankroll investing, is never put more in than you're comfortable losing. It's been a long time since i've done it, but with a full-kelly of risk, my "angry whale" simulations show that the vast majority (like 80%???) of times an angry whale (someone with a lot more money than the site itself has, and determined to fuck the site) will be able to cause the site to lose >50% of the bankroll (the other 20% of the time, investors do extraordinarily well though ).

But yeah, the part that's quite unfortunate is that there's not always so much action. So you kind of get used to (and expect) the low volatility, and then a whale comes and drastically alters everything.

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

[RHavar]

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

No high volume ones, i don't think. I'd just check out bustabit.com/license.txt and go through sites listed there and see if any of them look interesting.


The bonus system was kind of neat, but the state-of-the-art bonus-bots just became so good, that it was really impossible for a casual player (or coder!) to really compete against.

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On a side note, it sounds pretty lame -- but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

[BayAreaCoins]

but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

[SquallLeonhart]

I tried it in the Opera, for about half a day it worked fine, then again a gray page on top of the site. Internet searches do not help. The same thing happened on the phone, only for some reason it worked longer (maybe because I came in less often).
https://imgur.com/a/ipoIjna

Interesting, have you tried to do it with VPN? Or without VPN for that matter, if the trouble is your country and VPN then it could work without the VPN if the problem is with the VPN then it could work without the VPN. I have been gambling here for years now and never seen this type of trouble where the page just goes gray.

Now, you say you tried it on different browsers and even on your mobile phone that has the same issue it looks like it could be a legit issue with some other people who happened to have this trouble but not share it with us so bustabit wouldn't be able to know about it and fix it. Maybe you should give your debugging to bustabit and make them see what kind of problem it is caused by, troubleshooting might be the only way they could prevent that.

[hopenotlate]

but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

Long ago Yahoo62278 was the owner of bubblesbit , a moneypot app and amongst the other nice ad original games ( remember bullseye and the first slide dice ever come around) his site also had a provably fair rock-paper-scissors game named "roshambo" "roshambo" : I had lot of fun with it but if I recall correctly it wasn't a pvp game.

Good old days.

[higghigghigg]

Ryan,
Are there any bustabit clones out there still using the original bonus system?

I had a bot or two back a couple years ago that did quite well sniping bonuses, at least until others caught on. Sad to see the current bustabit has dropped the bonus system.

No high volume ones, i don't think. I'd just check out bustabit.com/license.txt and go through sites listed there and see if any of them look interesting.


The bonus system was kind of neat, but the state-of-the-art bonus-bots just became so good, that it was really impossible for a casual player (or coder!) to really compete against.

--

On a side note, it sounds pretty lame -- but one thing I think could be fun for pvp gambling would be large series of rock-paper-scissors against a single opponent. The only non-exploitable strategy in rock-paper-scissors is by playing purely randomly, but that is guaranteed to have no expected profit for either player. (So if someone is being lame and playing randomly, you could detect that and stop playing with them after a while). I think it could potentially be a fun pvp game, where the complexity is such it's be accessible both people and bots.   (Although really hard to know without having built such a thing to try it out)

Did you come up with the bonus system whole cloth? I thought it was pretty damn clever. And because of it, sort of like playing poker in a casino, the house would always win overall but as a single player it was possible to be +EV.

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?