bustabit – The original crash game

[RHavar]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.

I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.

[Lakai01]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

You are right, it's simply not possible. Just take a look at eg. Tampermonkey. It is a browser-plugin which supports writing code which in the end simulates user inputs (putting text into text editors, clicking buttons, following links, ...). A site has simply no chance to detect if a user input originates from a "real user" or from a bot. Taking any actions against such scripts has a high probability of false-positives leading to the fact that you ban real users which you wrongly identified as bots.

[higghigghigg]

And just curious...if bots were the problem why not just disable the scripting system?

It'd be a good solution if it worked. But in reality i think it'd be be a nightmare. Disabling the scripting system itself would really do nothing (advanced bot writers can easily hookin without an official API easily). So you'd basically have to constantly be finding bots and banning them. It'd be an arms race that you'd always be on the losing end of, I think.

At least personally, I prefer the idea of games where you say "do what ever you want, there's no such thing as cheating". Although I know poker sites have a cheatable game, and most of the popular ones seem to do a good job at policing it.

I do think there's a big market for a very pvp oriented version of bustabit. At least that way players would no longer be ignoring the bonuses, so bots wouldn't have such an easy time raking it in.

I figured as much. It did end up self-regulating a bit in the end...it became very hard to snipe bonuses once others (bots) were trying to do the same. Agreed that it's best to go all or nothing in terms of what's allowed.

[devans]

I have one problem with the site. After some indefinite time after loading (reloading) the page it is just gray, while gray fill can be seen that in the background the site managed to load. Clearing the cache helps, but script settings fly along with it. Is there any way to avoid this? I use the Google browser.

I deployed a fix for that issue yesterday. Please let me know if you continue to encounter any problems connecting to bustabit.

[RealMalatesta]

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.

Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.

[imstillthebest]

Gambit used to have rock paper scissors... it wasn't provably fair or anything though.

Pretty sure I hold the record for winning the most BTC in a single match (5 or 10 BTC or something).

It was fun/stupid.  I'd do it again though.

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not. Even if the website is as legit as it gets, there is no written proof of it so you are still unsure about what you are doing and if the other person knows it.

Bustabit is one of the most trustworthy websites out there in the crypto world and I would still be skeptical about playing in a place with no provably fair rock paper scissors, maybe for fun but definitely not to win because there is no house edge (maybe rake) in there so you could actually profit but without provably fair I still wouldn't dream about profiting.

provably fair word is available on every gambling site , you can see that in thier homepage when you access them or on thier tagline/promotion  . they also provide tools to verify if they are really have a provably fair or not , you can check that your self but if you feel that there is something not right , you can always report them or leave them   .  bustabit is one of those trusted sites and i wont worry playing on them without the need of doing the above process

[RHavar]

The problem with rock paper scissors (and poker for that matter) is that you don't know if the person you are playing against is another human (or bot) or are you playing against the house who can see your hand. You don't know if your hand is known to other person or not, it is not provably fair at all so at the end of the day you are not sure if you are being scammed or not.

Sorry for getting off-topic, but RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works

Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net Fuck RPS

[jostorres]

I still think non-cheatable systems have a sweet spot. Sometimes you want to stop people from cheating, but sometimes you overdo it and make regular gamblers gamble the way they don't want to. Just exactly as the double spending issue where if you do not make one confirmation a must there could be double spenders but if you do then impulse gamblers may lose hype.

Same here where you are both keeping the bots and all at bay with these methods but also you are making it harder for gamblers to gamble the way they like. At the end of the day this is a very professional website, I know it looks like only devans is working on it (and I am sure he does everything or most things) that doesn't mean it doesn't feel like a whole corporation the way they professionally take care of everything.

[Battareus]

Within a month I’ve been trying to develop a strategy for earning money on BaB, but nothing good has come of it. It turns out to make an algorithm that can work 5 hours bringing a plus, then 5 hours nothing, and then go to minus, this is the best script I have made. If anyone knows the grail, give a hint where to dig.

[GamblingSiteFinder]

Sorry for getting off-topic, but RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works

Disclaimer: I'm down like 15 BTC net Fuck RPS

What a rollercoaster that thread was. Poor zirt!

[higghigghigg]

So the bustabit bankroll seems like an interesting place to potentially park some BTC. I'd like to understand the regulatory risks, by which I mean the risk that assets invested with bustabit are seized by authorities. No information about this is really provided on the site. What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?

[malevolent]

Everything your asking about is the Terms of Service or can be deduced by perusing it: https://www.bustabit.com/tos

[RHavar]

What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?

In the bottom-right of the homepage it has some info about license/incorporation in Curacao

[GamblingSiteFinder]

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[Lakai01]

So the bustabit bankroll seems like an interesting place to potentially park some BTC. I'd like to understand the regulatory risks, by which I mean the risk that assets invested with bustabit are seized by authorities. No information about this is really provided on the site. What country is bustabit run from and does it have whatever licenses etc are required to run an online gambling enterprise?

It is like parking your coins at exchanges. You dont have the private key of the wallet at the exchange/gambling site/... so technically those coins are not "yours" anymore. Of course there is a risk that the site gets seized or the exchange gets hacked and you lose your coins, if that happens no terms of service or promise can guarantee that you will get your coins back.

[higghigghigg]

Everything your asking about is the Terms of Service or can be deduced by perusing it: https://www.bustabit.com/tos

Ah, thanks. Curacao, interesting.

[sana54210]

RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works

I didn't know RPS could be provably fair, that makes things a lot easier to add in a game. I would really love to make a website with provably fair RPS in it, you wouldn't need any bankroll at all, just make people gamble against each other in a provably fair method and you would make money from rake instead of spending any money yourself.

However, there would be development+design+marketing costs and as a person who has less than 5k dollars in bank account all I can offer would be cheap third world development+design and wouldn't be a good job done for that amount of money and on top of that I wouldn't have enough to market it.

People think when you can code a casino the job is done, that is literally just step one of creating a website bustabit didn't became bustabit in one day.

[Heat.GG]

RPS is very easy to make provably fair. In fact I do it all the time. Here's a good example of me playing in a provably fair way (for both of us) just using this forum: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1588904.0 and includes a lot of explanation of how it works

I didn't know RPS could be provably fair, that makes things a lot easier to add in a game. I would really love to make a website with provably fair RPS in it, you wouldn't need any bankroll at all, just make people gamble against each other in a provably fair method and you would make money from rake instead of spending any money yourself.

However, there would be development+design+marketing costs and as a person who has less than 5k dollars in bank account all I can offer would be cheap third world development+design and wouldn't be a good job done for that amount of money and on top of that I wouldn't have enough to market it.

People think when you can code a casino the job is done, that is literally just step one of creating a website bustabit didn't became bustabit in one day.

We've actually got a RPS mode on our site releasing soon.
However we're still considering the best way to approach it, as it's only truly Provably fair for the joiner, not the creator.
In theory the casino could still know what side to chose if someone were to make a game, the only way to combat this is having the user submit the hash themselves.
So you're sacrificing user experience and introducing a lot of human error into the mix, versus just having a warning that states it's only provably fair for the joiner, not the creator of the game.

[malevolent]

Within a month I’ve been trying to develop a strategy for earning money on BaB, but nothing good has come of it. It turns out to make an algorithm that can work 5 hours bringing a plus, then 5 hours nothing, and then go to minus, this is the best script I have made. If anyone knows the grail, give a hint where to dig.

Invest in the site's bankroll or start your own site if you have the means, i.e. stop gambling, these are your moneymaking grails.

[JollyGood]

Everything your asking about is the Terms of Service or can be deduced by perusing it: https://www.bustabit.com/tos

Ah, thanks. Curacao, interesting.

Well as a minimum standard many gaming websites show they have some sort of incorporation use Curaçao Licence.

In essence, if companies are incorporated in their country of residence they will probably be breaking the law as they will need a casino licence which will probably never be granted to a small company or start-up. Getting a gaming licence from the UK, EU or US for a small company or start-up with small amounts of funding will never happen. Registering a casino in Costa Rica such as when serial scammer Dean Nolan did with betking.io during the ICO in 2017 using an off-shore registrar is easy. So is registering in Curaçao. Neither offer investors or game players any real protection.

One of the main things it does for the owners when using Costa Rica and Curaçao is that they remain anonymous, their names and addresses are not made public and are not accessible by anybody. In the EU you can go online and find background information on any incorporation including names and addresses of shareholders.

A Curaçao licence does not actually provide any benefit to the end user, this quote in the link below just about sums it up "The greatest disadvantage of a license from Curacao is that it doesn't have much meaning":

https://www.gamblingsites.org/laws/curacao/


When Bustabit and Bustadice had an issues where some Bitcoin were stolen their owner ensured it was fixed fast and topped up the losses from his own pocket so bankroll investors did not lose out. That sort of behaviour has given Bustabit and Bustadice a great reputation and that reputation of the websites and its owner are a far bigger seal approval than the Curaçao seal.