[PrimeDice] (Staff Only) Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting

[freedomno1]

This ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7425610#msg7425610 ) isn't a fantastic idea.... 

Then go on and suggest something the floors all yours 

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[hilariousandco]

What models have you suggested? I've made a few in the past, but are you wanting my opinion on what fixed-rate model he should apply or any other suggested models?

The hybrid models that include pay per activity, along with other factors that include a pay per post design with longer caps.
Combining existing posts, member activity and rates preferably.
From around the time when Stunna went to the 400 cap.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7425610#msg7425610

But back there 100 pages ago  

And i'm asking your opinion on what model makes the most sense to you feel free to throw a few around doesn't have to be based on mine just went back to address your question.

Hard to say really, especially because I don't know how much Stunna wants to cap the posts at. Whatever deal I suggested would probably be bias to me doing more posts but I'm guessing Stunna is trying to cut down on the number of posts/costs, but I like the idea of the hybrid fixed payment structure but including too many factors would be confusing to all involved. If we are indeed going for a fixed rate I'd just keep it to a simple deal based on your Membergroup and a minimum amount of posts to claim payment like the current deals do. Personally, I'd make it more than 50 posts, not just because it would benefit me, but because there's plenty of other deals that offer 50 already (though most seem to be closed) and those type of deals only really benefit people who make a few posts and those with a lot of alt accounts and also doesn't give PD an incredible amount of exposure as most people will just do the fiddy posts and that's it. Stunna needs to find a compromise but with a competitive edge to beat all the others.

Id suggest something simple for a minimum of 50 posts:

Members: 0.05
Full Members: 0.06
Snr & Hero: 0.12
Staff Members: 1btc  

You could have another bracket for those that do 100+ to 400 posts (or whatever) a month which would offer a little more or something.

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

What models have you suggested? I've made a few in the past, but are you wanting my opinion on what fixed-rate model he should apply or any other suggested models?

The hybrid models that include pay per activity, along with other factors that include a pay per post design with longer caps.
Combining existing posts, member activity and rates preferably.
From around the time when Stunna went to the 400 cap they still get mentioned now and then apparently looking a page back so someone must have read them or come to a similar conclusion.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7425610#msg7425610
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7431591#msg7431591

But back there 100 pages ago  

And i'm asking your opinion on what model makes the most sense to you feel free to throw a few around doesn't have to be based on mine just went back to address your question.

This ( https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=291387.msg7425610#msg7425610 ) isn't a fantastic idea....  

Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

I actually quite like this idea. It seems fairer to all whilst imposing a cap on posts and the rewards are there for higher ranks, though I don't know how easy it would be to check and issue payments for Stunna. Maybe instead of per week it could be per month ie a Member with 60 activity can make 60 posts a month and so on.

[redsn0w]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

[iram3130]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

Giving 0.2 Bitcoins for members group will not be wise idea, but agree with other or he can implement like this.

0.1 Member
0.25 Full member
0.4 Snr and Hero

[ranochigo]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

Giving 0.2 Bitcoins for members group will not be wise idea, but agree with other or he can implement like this.

0.1 Member
0.25 Full member
0.4 Snr and Hero

I actually doubt most people can meet 400 post per month, it would be hard to be constructive and posting more .

[wachtwoord]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

Giving 0.2 Bitcoins for members group will not be wise idea, but agree with other or he can implement like this.

0.1 Member
0.25 Full member
0.4 Snr and Hero

No, just pay a fixed amount based on activity only, with a minimum amount of posts.

Your suggestion has some holes, equating senior and hero members will ignite the exodus of hero members, also you're relatively overpaying both full members (currently they get 1/2 of hero members). Finally you still suggest a minimum of 400 posts.

[redsn0w]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

Giving 0.2 Bitcoins for members group will not be wise idea, but agree with other or he can implement like this.

0.1 Member
0.25 Full member
0.4 Snr and Hero

No, just pay a fixed amount based on activity only, with a minimum amount of posts.

Your suggestion has some holes, equating senior and hero members will ignite the exodus of hero members, also you're relatively overpaying both full members (currently they get 1/2 of hero members). Finally you still suggest a minimum of 400 posts.

So..


For  a min. 50 post per month
Members: 0.07
Full Members: 0.12
Snr & Hero: 0.17

This can be good as an idea? or should be changed  the rewards?

[wachtwoord]

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

This is already more interesting! But however, is  @ stunna who decides !

Giving 0.2 Bitcoins for members group will not be wise idea, but agree with other or he can implement like this.

0.1 Member
0.25 Full member
0.4 Snr and Hero

No, just pay a fixed amount based on activity only, with a minimum amount of posts.

Your suggestion has some holes, equating senior and hero members will ignite the exodus of hero members, also you're relatively overpaying both full members (currently they get 1/2 of hero members). Finally you still suggest a minimum of 400 posts.

So..


For  a min. 50 post per month
Members: 0.07
Full Members: 0.12
Snr & Hero: 0.17

This can be good as an idea? or should be changed  the rewards?

No, as I said quite a long time ago:

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

And make people post a minimum of 50 posts a month to get payment (<50 means no payment).

[redsn0w]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

[wachtwoord]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

[redsn0w]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

So , Maximum of 50 posts per month .. maybe you're right !

[wachtwoord]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

So , Maximum of 50 posts per month .. maybe you're right !

Well, minimum. You can post however often you like, but you won't be paid more if you do

[freedomno1]

Hard to say really, especially because I don't know how much Stunna wants to cap the posts at. Whatever deal I suggested would probably be bias to me doing more posts but I'm guessing Stunna is trying to cut down on the number of posts/costs, but I like the idea of the hybrid fixed payment structure but including too many factors would be confusing to all involved. If we are indeed going for a fixed rate I'd just keep it to a simple deal based on your Membergroup and a minimum amount of posts to claim payment like the current deals do. Personally, I'd make it more than 50 posts, not just because it would benefit me, but because there's plenty of other deals that offer 50 already (though most seem to be closed) and those type of deals only really benefit people who make a few posts and those with a lot of alt accounts and also doesn't give PD an incredible amount of exposure as most people will just do the fiddy posts and that's it. Stunna needs to find a compromise but with a competitive edge to beat all the others.

Id suggest something simple for a minimum of 50 posts:

Members: 0.05
Full Members: 0.06
Snr & Hero: 0.12
Staff Members: 1btc  

You could have another bracket for those that do 100+ to 400 posts (or whatever) a month which would offer a little more or something.

For a minimum of 400 posts:

Members: 0.2
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4

Good points it is hard to say when we don't know what Stunna wants to set it at just getting some discussion sorted out in the meanwhile since it doesn't hurt to get more opinions on it.

But a fair point it might become too complicated to throw more factors into the equation so a simple system would make the most sense. The reason I threw in those factors is because inputs.io used to use them all and Tradefortress ran his campaign with those variants smoothly and without any issue (Until you know the whole we got hacked event that is).

Yours makes sense since its as simple as it gets activity level max posts and a cap, also factors time into the equation since it takes a long time to ascend those tiers.

Something of a flat rate then a transition step
Minimum 50 posts
Members: 0.05
Full Members: 0.06
Snr & Hero: 0.12
Staff Members: Donation to Theymos for his new forum software bwhahaha

And then switch to a Pay Per Post system with a cap in place/declining pay per post system/ based on existing posts/ pay per activity points as wachtwoord mentioned there are a lot of variants leading to the max rate.

Members: 0.2  
Full Members: 0.3
Snr & Hero: 0.4  

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Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

I actually quite like this idea. It seems fairer to all whilst imposing a cap on posts and the rewards are there for higher ranks, though I don't know how easy it would be to check and issue payments for Stunna. Maybe instead of per week it could be per month ie a Member with 60 activity can make 60 posts a month and so on.

I think this model would be fairly easy to keep track of its more or less a variant of the current one adding in different post limits for activity groups so it wouldn't be to hard to differentiate between a member or a full member when you claim payment by stating activity group. Anyways its always good to see different perspectives on it and build a custom one .

Thanks for your 2 cents

As a sidenote  1 BTC for Staff might motivate me to press that report button a lot more ha-ha 10 a day to scare the other moderators away and acquire a staff promotion   given that you find them faster than me so its like a USB stick vs an Asic  

[redsn0w]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

So , Maximum of 50 posts per month .. maybe you're right !

Well, minimum. You can post however often you like, but you won't be paid more if you do

this people who have the signature of the PD just to gain ... so they will send 50 messages and stop xD

[wachtwoord]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

So , Maximum of 50 posts per month .. maybe you're right !

Well, minimum. You can post however often you like, but you won't be paid more if you do

this people who have the signature of the PD just to gain ... so they will send 50 messages and stop xD

The intention of this campaign is to simply post as you normally would and NOT spam. 50 is a very normal amount of posts in a month. Mind that the advertisement is not merely placed in new posts but on the bottom of all posts ranging years back (from before you joined the campaign). Activity is a very good indicator for this.

Stunna doesn't want people to simply post. This is the most effective way to accomplish this. Remember: this is not a job!

[freedomno1]

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

Just to clarify
Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count
Or Base rate to 50 posts divided by member types then adjust to pay per activity?

@ I'll check later going off and letting the discussion continue in absentia

Edit saw below roger thanks

[wachtwoord]

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

Just to clarify
Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count
Or Base rate to 50 posts then adjust to pay per activity?

Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 POSTS

[freedomno1]

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

Just to clarify
Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count
Or Base rate to 50 posts then adjust to pay per activity?

Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 POSTS

Roger so the Bitcoin-Scratchticket model where its all automated with 50 min posts (Per Month) Assumed
Gotcha

For everyone else the model its based on

Bitcoin-Scratchticket (website)
Payment period: Weekly, up front.
Minimum posts: 25 posts per week.
Payments: N: 0.000002BTC per activity point, J: 0.000005BTC per activity point, M: 0.00001BTC per activity point, F: 0.000015BTC per activity point, S/H: 0.00002BTC per activity point.
Miscellaneous: Registration done on advertisers website. Automatic verification and payments. Payments done to account on website.

[redsn0w]

Rank is only a very rough generalization of activity points. Just pay based on activity points. Somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001 per activity point should be fine.

so this  :


Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

No!

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

So , Maximum of 50 posts per month .. maybe you're right !

Well, minimum. You can post however often you like, but you won't be paid more if you do

this people who have the signature of the PD just to gain ... so they will send 50 messages and stop xD

The intention of this campaign is to simply post as you normally would and NOT spam. 50 is a very normal amount of posts in a month. Mind that the advertisement is not merely placed in new posts but on the bottom of all posts ranging years back (from before you joined the campaign). Activity is a very good indicator for this.

Stunna doesn't want people to simply post. This is the most effective way to accomplish this. Remember: this is not a job!

So a lot of people are wrong to have the PD sig. xD

[ranochigo]

1. Don't generalize to user ranks! (the activity points you used are minimums only)
2. Don't make a higher necessary posts per month than 50. Pay based on activity points NOT number of posts in any given month

Just to clarify
Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count
Or Base rate to 50 posts then adjust to pay per activity?

Pay Per Post Based on Activity no relation to post count WITH A MINIMUM OF 50 POSTS

Roger so the Bitcoin-Scratchticket model where its all automated with 50 min posts (Per Month) Assumed
Gotcha

For everyone else the model its based on

Bitcoin-Scratchticket (website)
Payment period: Weekly, up front.
Minimum posts: 25 posts per week.
Payments: N: 0.000002BTC per activity point, J: 0.000005BTC per activity point, M: 0.00001BTC per activity point, F: 0.000015BTC per activity point, S/H: 0.00002BTC per activity point.
Miscellaneous: Registration done on advertisers website. Automatic verification and payments. Payments done to account on website.

Their model isn't that good, the fact that they pay upfront allows a user to claim payment before going to another campaign, making the campaign useless.