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Author Topic: [PrimeDice] (Staff Only) Earn Bitcoins Simply By Posting  (Read 595202 times)
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June 20, 2014, 10:03:16 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)
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June 20, 2014, 10:05:04 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Greatest idea I've heard all day. ^^^

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June 20, 2014, 10:05:31 PM
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Rates are OK now. Limit is OK for avoiding spam. You just need to set a monthly limit to avoid confusion. 400 seems fair enough.

I agree. I think 400 qualitative posts per month is quite much.. So the limit is OK in my view but, indeed, like Deisik said, there are some users that really do post more qualitative posts than 400 per month, but those people are exceptions.

I think the 100 posts per week limit is fine, as is keeps this service more viable, but I would suggest a 400 posts per month limit too; otherwise you, Stunna, have to check when all the posts have been placed. Checking the actual (qualitative) posts made in one month is easier, and then use a limit of 400.

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June 20, 2014, 10:09:37 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Yeah, that sounds good!
Because it would double my payment per post Tongue

But seriously, this is the best idea I have seen in this thread!

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June 20, 2014, 10:11:07 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Greatest idea I've heard all day. ^^^
Kinda good idea but again that would put off rly active people.

And for me to be happy it would need to be like .003 or more for x. Smiley

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June 20, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
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My suggestion is :

125 post per week max.  
Monthly total of 400 posts max.

still pay monthly .

 I say 125 weekly max  and 400 monthly max as keeping tracking is easy.

The way you word it now anyone near 100 in a week needs to consider what time zone to say what week a post is in.

Also If someone wants to go on vacation and posts 125 +125 +125 + he can post 25 on his vacation week.

 also you max monthly payment is still

 400x Hero rate
 400x Senior rate
 400x Full member rate
 400x Member rate.

So my idea
1)cuts down your workload
 2)keeps your max btc payment the same.  
3)It also gives us a break if we want to cut back one week out of the 4 weeks in a month.
4) prevents 400 post in 5 days and zero the rest of the month if you just set a monthly limit.

Frankly I am happy that you did limit posts to a reasonable number. I am retired so I could post 200 a week if I want a job.  In fact I would be annoyed at myself for not pushing up post counts  when you had the 2.4 coin limit.  These numbers make much more sense thanks for doing this.

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June 20, 2014, 10:12:49 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Yeah, that sounds good!
Because it would double my payment per post Tongue

But seriously, this is the best idea I have seen in this thread!

Sincerely I don't think this is fair.
Based on that if I do 51 posts and you make 200 , I would still earn 5 times more than you...


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June 20, 2014, 10:15:03 PM
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I firmly believe it is impossible to make more than 100 really solid posts in a week. 9/10 people who are breaking that limit are just posting worthless contributions as rapidly as they possibly can.

Hello Stunna,

Why not limit the campaign to those 1/10 that do make worthwhile contributions with their posts? You needn't worry about the quality of posts then. I would have suggested basing it on seniority, but I have seen a few Senior Members posting absolute rubbish at times, so that wouldn't count for much.

Also I think that it might be worthwhile looking into applying a strictly non-changeable loyalty coefficient to payments based on duration of service in order to give users an incentive to stick around when competition hots up. Rates can change, but the coefficient should not.

Also by 100 posts per week max, do you mean literally 100 payable posts per week i.e. 102, 100, 110, 10 = 322 total, 310 payable, or do you mean 400 posts per term? I'm guessing you mean the former as terms don't fit into four weeks, but clarification on this would be appreciated.

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June 20, 2014, 10:16:12 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Yeah, that sounds good!
Because it would double my payment per post Tongue

But seriously, this is the best idea I have seen in this thread!

Sincerely I don't think this is fair.
Based on that if I do 51 posts and you make 200 , I would still earn 5 times more than you...

It is fine for me.
Why do you complain about getting 5x more money?
If it is so big deal you can send half to me Smiley

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June 20, 2014, 10:17:54 PM
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The spam has been a major issue for a while, anyone have some sort of suggestion on what they feel fair pricing is per rank?

As others have pointed out, I'm not sure there is one. I mean, one way would be to change this to a campaign that pays a fixed amount, based on your rank/activity, for a set number of posts, and nothing beyond that (like Gaw Miners for example); but that will clearly be unfair for those that usually post far above that amount.


I would just get like 10 of oldest/ most trusted members of this camapign and pay them to check others and whenever they see some spam post with pd sig just give him a strike. Vouple of stikes and u are out. That way in campaign will be left like 50people but with quality posts and i would pay them nice amount, with some max ofc.

We need to find a way to eliminate spam and jet keep people in sig campaign happy.
I am not so happy about .24 per month, tbh, but i understand why Stunna had to do it.

I can't say I'm happy with this idea, but I think this is the best option so far. Make the process public so people can defend themselves, and kick spammers out of the campaign, maybe giving them negative trust for abusing the system. For good measure, maybe increase the required entry rank for the campaign.

Another option also previously mentioned is what was in place in the beginning, that is, decreasing rates the higher the number of posts you make. I suppose it would prevent some people from spamming, but I guess others would simply create/buy several accounts and continue.
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June 20, 2014, 10:18:57 PM
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Do the same as TF did. Pay out a fixed amount per month based on your activity points you have as long as you have a minimum of 50 posts per month (to filter non-active members).

So payments is:

iff minimum 50 posts: X * activity
else: 0

where X is a number you'r comfortable with (I would suggest somewhere between 0.0005 and 0.001)


Yeah, that sounds good!
Because it would double my payment per post Tongue

But seriously, this is the best idea I have seen in this thread!

Sincerely I don't think this is fair.
Based on that if I do 51 posts and you make 200 , I would still earn 5 times more than you...

Remember that Stunna's add is on ALL YOUR POSTS. Not just the posts you make during a month. I always thought paying per post was unfair, but hey, it's not my advertisement campaign.

And if he puts off really active people with relatively low activity scores it's an added bonus as I would want to filter those people from my campaign if I were Stunna. Don't try to be everyone's friend Wink
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Last edit: June 20, 2014, 10:46:36 PM by freedomno1
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My point is that if someone posts more (like Hilarious or Bryant), it doesn't necessarily imply that they are spamming (break the "spam limit" in your speak). Some people may and do spend here most part of their day, make friends here (and enemies too, lol), actually they live on the forum. This doesn't in the least mean that they are evil spammers or worthless contributors... Roll Eyes

Fair point some of the larger posters are useful contributors and not considered spam Stunna did say 9/10
The question is how to incorporate those type of posters into an exception list if they are capable of making quality posts and still pass the limit at the same time.

The spam has been a major issue for a while, anyone have some sort of suggestion on what they feel fair pricing is per rank?

Posts based on Activity is already being done a progressive scale could be added to it

Group   Requirement
Brand New   0 posts
Newbie   (none)
Jr. Member   activity: 30
Member   activity: 60
Full Member   activity: 120
Sr. Member   activity: 240
Hero Member activity: 480

Current 100 Posts Flat a week = 14/Day

Newbie = 14 Activity = 14 posts a week * 4 = 56/month ---> * 2 = Max 120 Posts a Month Min 50 = 4 Posts a Day
Jr Member = 30 Activity = 30 posts a week * 4 = 120/month * 2  = Max 240 Posts a Month Min 50 = 8 Posts a Day
Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts = 48 Posts a Day

Simple system instead of a flat average as your around in the forum the more posts and more knowledge you have on average and a multiplier that changes the rate appropriately before becoming a divider to keep the max posts from getting to high.

Would factor in Bryant and Hillarious not sure who else would get close to that limit but it probably wouldn't be reached often otherwise it would need to be reanalyzed.

It pushes the old limit of 5000 to 1500 so a fairly conservative cut.  

That said those who abuse the system will be caught pretty fast using it so don't think the top end will be met often.

Per rank posting could also go by a post total as well.

Existing posts:
100-200: 0.02 or 0.04 BTC / 30 days Min Posts 50/month
201-400: 0.04 or 0.08 BTC / 30 days Min Posts 50/month
401-700: 0.06 or 0.12 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 60) Min Posts 50/month
701-1100: 0.08 or 0.16 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 120) Min Posts 50/month
1101-1800: 0.1 or 0.2 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 180) Min Posts 50/month
1801-2500: 0.12 or 0.24 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 240) Min Posts 50/month
2501+ posts: 0.15 or 0.3 BTC / 30 days (activity must be more than 300) Min Posts 50/month

The only other one I saw was a per month system and possibly running two separate systems one on posts and one at a flat rate.
Two different form options one that says join on per post the other saying join per flat rate and users decide on a month to month basis.

Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day = 0.0004/post
Maximum = 0.192/Month --> 0.2
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day = 0.0006/post
Maximum =  0.4372/Month ---> 0.45
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day = 0.0010/post
Maximum = 0.96/Month --> 1  
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts a Day = 48 Posts a Day = 0.0012/post
Maximum = 1.72/Month --> 1.75

That would put the maximum at around 1.72 a month from signature campaigns anyways just a few charts someone might have a better idea.
Could use some rounding I guess to look better.

A combination of the three systems would be the most interesting one
Combining existing posts, member activity and rates
, since people would need to buy an account that contributed or has a fair amount of posts to match its rank to take advantage of higher rates and the ones that meet all three qualifications would be far lower in number  Wink

2500+ Post Hero Accounts only go to page 8 or in other words only 235 around less actually since some are less than Hero rank including myself
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June 20, 2014, 10:26:45 PM
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My suggestion is :

125 post per week max.  
Monthly total of 400 posts max.

still pay monthly .

 I say 125 weekly max  and 400 monthly max as keeping tracking is easy.

The way you word it now anyone near 100 in a week needs to consider what time zone to say what week a post is in.

Also If someone wants to go on vacation and posts 125 +125 +125 + he can post 25 on his vacation week.

 also you max monthly payment is still

 400x Hero rate
 400x Senior rate
 400x Full member rate
 400x Member rate.

So my idea
1)cuts down your workload
 2)keeps your max btc payment the same.  
3)It also gives us a break if we want to cut back one week out of the 4 weeks in a month.
4) prevents 400 post in 5 days and zero the rest of the month if you just set a monthly limit.

Frankly I am happy that you did limit posts to a reasonable number. I am retired so I could post 200 a week if I want a job.  In fact I would be annoyed at myself for not pushing up post counts  when you had the 2.4 coin limit.  These numbers make much more sense thanks for doing this.

I still like this idea today is the 21st I am at 65 or 66 posts for this week and i am making about 120 to 130.  I know this because of the s-3  coming out this week.  the rk-box coming out this week and 2 reviews on some gear i will do. This next month I am making more then 400 posts I will make around 500.  I will be fine with giving 100 free post so to speak as I posted 300 posts a month for 10 months with no  signature money at all.. After all signature campaigns end I will still post a few  hundred posts a month.

 Stunna you have been good to the community.  So whatever you adjust your campaign to should be okay.  But something that gives a bit of weekly variation yet keeps a monthly max seems good to me.

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June 20, 2014, 10:31:45 PM
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A quick question please, now I've submitted my enrollment details on http://bit.do/Primedice

After I choose Enrollment and I submit my details, I see the collecting payment form, I leave it blank and click "Submit".

Is what I did right ? Am I enrolled now ?

Thanks.
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June 20, 2014, 10:35:11 PM
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It's pretty clear to me that if Stunna's qualms are with the worthless posts that are being made then he should limit the campaign to those 1/10 who make worthwhile contributions.

Payment is a separate matter, but you still get low quality posts from this change, just that he will have to pay for fewer of them.

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June 20, 2014, 10:36:12 PM
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A quick question please, now I've submitted my enrollment details on http://bit.do/Primedice

After I choose Enrollment and I submit my details, I see the collecting payment form, I leave it blank and click "Submit".

Is what I did right ? Am I enrolled now ?

Thanks.

Yes, I believe that is the correct way to do it... That's what I did as well Smiley
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June 20, 2014, 10:45:09 PM
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Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day = 0.0004/post
Maximum = 0.192/Month --> 0.2
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day = 0.0006/post
Maximum =  0.4372/Month ---> 0.45
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day = 0.0010/post
Maximum = 0.96/Month --> 1
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts a Day = 48 Posts a Day = 0.0012/post
Maximum = 1.72/Month --> 1.75


I find this option pretty interesting. It will cut enough spam but it will also let the incentive to make a few extra posts for people who are online all day.

Besides , if anyone is caught spamming he should be immediately removed from the campaign.



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June 20, 2014, 11:14:16 PM
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I don't agree with models above me at all well i kind of do, but members should have limited posts to low number as it's easy to get activity for member rank and then spam whole forum...
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June 20, 2014, 11:18:37 PM
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I don't agree with models above me at all well i kind of do, but members should have limited posts to low number as it's easy to get activity for member rank and then spam whole forum...

I used the multipliers as a base line you could easily lower it if you want start with a 1.5 default instead of 2

Kept it at 100 as the base since that is what Stunna set it at so 2 was the multiplier that would keep it at the rate.
Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 1.5 =  Max 360 posts a month Min 50 = 12 Posts a Day = 0.0004/post
Maximum = 0.144/Month --> 0.15
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day = 0.0006/post
Maximum =  0.4372/Month ---> 0.45
Etc.

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June 20, 2014, 11:21:18 PM
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Member = 60 Activity = 60 posts per week * 4 = 240/month * 2 =  Max 480 posts a month Min 50 = 16 Posts a Day = 0.0004/post
Maximum = 0.192/Month --> 0.2
Full Member 120 Activity = 120 posts per week * 4 = 480/month *1.5  = Max 720 Posts a Month Min 50 = 24 Posts a Day = 0.0006/post
Maximum =  0.4372/Month ---> 0.45
Sr Member 240 Activity = 240 posts per week * 4 = 960/month *1 = Max 960 Posts a Month Min 50 = 32 Posts a Day = 0.0010/post
Maximum = 0.96/Month --> 1
Hero Member 480 Activity = 480 Posts per week * 4 = 1920/month * 0.6 = Max 1440 Posts a Month Min 50 posts a Day = 48 Posts a Day = 0.0012/post
Maximum = 1.72/Month --> 1.75


I find this option pretty interesting. It will cut enough spam but it will also let the incentive to make a few extra posts for people who are online all day.

Besides , if anyone is caught spamming he should be immediately removed from the campaign.



Nah, It will not help, just check senior members post who is enrolled here, they also do spam. Not only member or full member do not spam, other big member group also spam or post forcibly to every topic.

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