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May 02, 2014, 01:00:28 AM
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I'm talking about your duplicitousness, not about definitions of scam and what qualifies as one.

Well there are 2 dimensions to the application of the scam label.

1) me, as in my experience and the facts known to me. e.g. it's a scam because of x,y,z, known to me at a.b.c points in time. The only thing that can reverse my perception is my money refunded (still not here by the way)


2) other people, who have had dealings with VMC and have called them a scam, a trick, a fraud or whatever. This is their perception,  I'm just posting their story centrally on my thread for all to see.

there's a thread called  [Guide] Dogie's Comprehensive Manufacturer Trustworthiness Guide  (Read 9401 times) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=456691.0

Changelog 03/10/2014
Company changes:
  • Bitmine demoted to C. Continuing delays and lack of communication both globally and with individual orders. Hire some PR and CS. Also preferring (openly) commercial partners in production. Review March 22.
  • AMT demoted to D+. Very delayed, no communication.
  • VMC demoted to F. The evidence suggests it is simply a scam. Avoid this company.
  • Bitmain promoted to A+. Continued market leading success.
  • Blackarrow not changed but promotion not activated. Although they have sorted all refunds, delivery is still a while away.
  • Avalon not changed but promotion not activated. Promotion to A if trade in order problems are dealt with.
  • Cointerra promoted to B+. Newer firmware is more stable and compensation is ongoing.
  • Lightning ASIC promoted to C+ due to good success. Promotion to B if no problems before March 22 [building reputation].
  • Drillbit review delayed, awaiting new products.
  • Redhash review delayed, awaiting new products.
  • Technobit not changed but promotion not activated. Too many units are failing in the wild, but are being dealt with.

Note that this scam accusation has not been withdrawn.








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May 02, 2014, 01:04:02 AM
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forget it magzy you are not even aware of what you are doing.
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May 08, 2014, 01:50:24 PM
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Right after we made the the deal with eASIC, hashfast and cointerra came out with their 400 and 500 GH/s chips, after having eASIC run our RTL on their platform and for the minimum number of chips we had to purchase, we did not have enough pre-orders to cover the purchase due to hashfast and cointerra selling 17 Million in machines.
While the excuse makes zero sense, this is an admission that the deal with eASIC didn't go far. Thus, kslaughter should still have most of your coins.

Hey does anyone know exactly how many bitcoins were raised?

Because a lot of people seem to think we have only 200 bitcoin left.
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May 08, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
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I thought it was 10 000 BTC.
10000000*0.0025 = 25 000 though, I hope I made a mistake...  see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252531.0
It was messy, with ken putting a buyback wall at the time. see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=245713.0
I wonder how much was really bought, i.e. if you exclude Ukyo buying with his fractional reserve or kslaugther's buybacks.

Because a lot of people seem to think we have only 200 bitcoin left.
Which again was never proven, I wonder why any legitimate shareholder would claim that - it would be extremely bad for the company, but helps kslaughter get away with the losses.
No large expense was ever proven (the Avalon order was refunded, right?); not for eASIC, nor for the other ASIC IP. The only one I can think of is buying miners from HashFast, and it certainly shouldn't be worth 10 000 BTC.

Yep, that is a mess, and a lot of chance for money to go "missing".

Ken will not tell us about the eASIC cash, what happened to that? Even if it gets refunded today that works out to 0.0002 per share in one hit.

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May 08, 2014, 04:20:27 PM
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I thought it was 10 000 BTC.
10000000*0.0025 = 25 000 though, I hope I made a mistake...  see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=252531.0
It was messy, with ken putting a buyback wall at the time. see https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=245713.0
I wonder how much was really bought, i.e. if you exclude Ukyo buying with his fractional reserve or kslaugther's buybacks.

Because a lot of people seem to think we have only 200 bitcoin left.
Which again was never proven, I wonder why any legitimate shareholder would claim that - it would be extremely bad for the company, but helps kslaughter get away with the losses.
No large expense was ever proven (the Avalon order was refunded, right?); not for eASIC, nor for the other ASIC IP. The only one I can think of is buying miners from HashFast, and it certainly shouldn't be worth 10 000 BTC.

I have stated that we only have around 200~400 BTC left in wallet's that Ken has shown us. Who knows how much money we actually have, but I believe Ken never raised 25K BTC as shares started being sold at .0005, not .0025, that means at minimum we started with 5K btc, what Ken did with this 5,000~25,000BTC, who knows.

I don't know how Ken could have lost this much money, (even a month or so ago we were at 1.5K BTC left in wallets he's personally showed us IIRC)
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May 09, 2014, 03:31:47 PM
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How To Trade Like A Pro (Active Mining on CT)

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Yep, that is a mess, and a lot of chance for money to go "missing".

Ken will not tell us about the eASIC cash, what happened to that? Even if it gets refunded today that works out to 0.0002 per share in one hit.



This is the worst of it all, because shareholders paid for that eASIC deal.  eASIC NRE was the whole point of the IPO
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May 10, 2014, 01:02:50 AM
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Ken what is your 3 month plan for this company? How are you going to make us money with a static data centre and single figure miner sales?

Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you.

BEST CEO EVER!

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May 10, 2014, 01:30:32 AM
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Ken what is your 3 month plan for this company? How are you going to make us money with a static data centre and single figure miner sales?

Tell me what the bitcoin price will be in 3 months and I will tell you.

I'm sure as a skilled manager though Ken, that you have at least three plans for different scenarios though right?

Eg.
If price is $400 - execute plan A
If price is $800 - execute plan B
If price is $2000 - execute plan C



Yes


So can you please try answer the question?


I just had this comment deleted. It's like whoever is moderating the thread is encouraging vague meaningless answers from Ken.
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May 10, 2014, 04:31:04 PM
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Hello everyone,
just wanna share my story here, which I am requesting a refund cheque.
I have ordered a Platinum 1.5TH...

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2014-01-15 13:15:10 Refund
2013-11-26 08:21:15 Payment accepted
2013-11-24 14:39:19 Awaiting bank wire payment
2013-11-24 14:39:19 Pre-Ordered

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Jason 2014-05-08 18:08:36    Hey, how's my refund? Please let me know, thanks.
Jason 2014-04-23 12:51:41    Hello, It's has been a month already, and I just wanna know, how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Kris 2014-03-18 14:09:42    Dear Jason, We are processing your refund. Your refund will be issued in approximately 2-4 weeks. Thank you for your patience.
Jason 2014-02-13 10:32:13    Hello, I just wanna ask how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Jason 2014-02-05 22:41:15    Hello, I just wanna ask how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Kris 2014-01-16 07:58:14    Dear Customer, ok we will start the refund process.
Jason 2014-01-15 23:39:24    My full name: ____ Address: ____ , If you need more information, just let me know, thank you!
Kris 2014-01-15 13:14:55    Dear Customer, Yes we only do refunds in a check form.You will need to message us back with a full name and address as to where we can send the refund to.
Jason 2014-01-15 12:57:51    Here I would like to ask, can I request a refund by now? Thank you.

=======================================

still waiting...
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May 10, 2014, 06:25:48 PM
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Hello everyone,
just wanna share my story here, which I am requesting a refund cheque.
I have ordered a Platinum 1.5TH...

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2014-01-15 13:15:10 Refund
2013-11-26 08:21:15 Payment accepted
2013-11-24 14:39:19 Awaiting bank wire payment
2013-11-24 14:39:19 Pre-Ordered

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Jason 2014-05-08 18:08:36    Hey, how's my refund? Please let me know, thanks.
Jason 2014-04-23 12:51:41    Hello, It's has been a month already, and I just wanna know, how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Kris 2014-03-18 14:09:42    Dear Jason, We are processing your refund. Your refund will be issued in approximately 2-4 weeks. Thank you for your patience.
Jason 2014-02-13 10:32:13    Hello, I just wanna ask how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Jason 2014-02-05 22:41:15    Hello, I just wanna ask how is my refund process now ? Thanks
Kris 2014-01-16 07:58:14    Dear Customer, ok we will start the refund process.
Jason 2014-01-15 23:39:24    My full name: ____ Address: ____ , If you need more information, just let me know, thank you!
Kris 2014-01-15 13:14:55    Dear Customer, Yes we only do refunds in a check form.You will need to message us back with a full name and address as to where we can send the refund to.
Jason 2014-01-15 12:57:51    Here I would like to ask, can I request a refund by now? Thank you.

=======================================

still waiting...

Grain of salt with this one.... Might be real, might be made up. Half the shiite on this whole board is made up.

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May 10, 2014, 11:10:21 PM
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Ken is processing only one refund per week.
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May 11, 2014, 10:22:27 AM
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So didn't anyone noticed that after the thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=596740.0 started on 5 May ken immediately started allowing shares trading on 8 May? So obvious and in your face...

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May 11, 2014, 01:37:33 PM
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Ken doesn't even bother refunding hardware reviewers: 
( http://www.coindesk.com/46k-spent-mining-hardware-happened-next/ )
 
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VMC minerVendor: Virtual Mining Corporation (VMC)
Product: Fast-Hash One Platinum Edition (1 TH/s)

Price including shipping: $6,479
Order date: 24th Nov, 2013
Anticipated shipping date: January 2014
Expected delay: 8 months
Status: Refund requested on 10th January

In the meantime I am still waiting for the third refund cheque from VMC to arrive, and hopefully this time it will be signed and properly filled in.

The fact that the previous two cheques weren’t, may be no coincidence after all.


Allegedly, the company put a great deal of customers’ pre-order money in Mt. Gox and consequently lost it when the exchange collapsed. If true, this could have caused the delay in refunds.

In April, VMC’s custom-built mining data centre went live – populated with rigs made up of ASIC chips bought from HashFast and boards manufactured by VMC itself using HashFast’s reference design.

The Fast-Hash One Prospector card (512 GH/s), which they have in stock at the moment, is constructed with the same components.

Using the data centre’s income, supposedly they have started to send out refunds in bulk as of mid-April.

Just recently, Wood Law Firm opened a case against VMC and its subsidiary AMC about the delay in delivery and refunds. Affected VMC customers as well as disgruntled shareholders of AMC can contact the firm about this investigation using the online form provided.
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May 15, 2014, 04:19:58 AM
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Trade with caution.

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Update [May 9 2014]
Of the 31 known Prospector boards ordered from VMC:

15 Delivered are dead on arrival - still waiting for replacement - (computerjesus/ Kodemadge)
4 delivered and working. (2 to bargraphics & 2 to 'unknown user')
5 Delivered - waited 30 days - all  confirmed working (emjay47)
6 ordered by rogerli9 (ordered 2014-04-11) delivered 25 days late
1 orderd by VinceSaimos - took 5 weeks to arrive - working ok.

Refunds:
@Magzy- 2nd Refund check arrived - awaiting clearance at bank.

@metalchain - Still waiting - I sent PM to Ken many times. He always reply to me "We will ~~, ASAP~~~, Quickly~~~, next week~~~"

@cryptoconomist- still waiting  - "Two weeks ago on a Friday I spoke to him again and he  literally promised me he was going to ship my order on the following Monday, but haven't heard from him. Since then, when I log into my account, my initial order has now been moved to "refund" status and my new order to "cancelled" which contradicts what Ken and I discussed.  I wrote so many emails to him and to the Active Mining threads but my posts keep getting deleted"

@meccaflare0 - still waiting "ken owes me like $x"

@greek_hephaestus - unknown  -"Thank you very much Magzy for your suggestion . I will do it in a few days. [contact the AG] First I send one more message to VMC. Thank's again."

@coindesk - http://www.coindesk.com/mining-hardware-companies-miners-roundup/

@lenart_o - I'm waiting for refund [of $10k] since february this year there is no chance to get back my money?? I'm from Poland and I don't have idea how to  get back my money . I was stupid and I was belive in company with no proof now I'm without money

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May 16, 2014, 06:35:29 PM
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Not too sure about Vinces prospector board still working, he went very quiet about it after the first day, hasn't supplied an address to monitor it, and now he's ordered/being sent two of the gold cards probably as a sweetener/bribe courtesy of the shareholders money.

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Not too sure about Vinces prospector board still working, he went very quiet about it after the first day, hasn't supplied an address to monitor it, and now he's ordered/being sent two of the gold cards probably as a sweetener/bribe courtesy of the shareholders money.

The other support, zumzero, also seems to think that this shit storm isn't KenScam's fault.

Good point.  I think the middle ground is more likely.  Ken is in a quandary; pay 50% to shareholders as divs and slow the refund payouts or concentrate on those refunds at the expense of the shareholders?

Remember, we have Mark K. to thank for this shit storm, not Ken.

Because the preservation of the company is of paramount importance it is clear that the right thing to do is direct mining and hardware income towards pre-order refund customers.

I think Ken will find a balance between the two and appease both shareholders and those awaiting refunds as best he can.

As a shareholder who is in for the long haul I support any action that improves our chances to stay afloat during these difficult times.  The bitcoin price won't be suppressed for too much longer and when it starts to take off again there will be plenty of opportunity to enjoy weekly dividend payments.    Smiley

These socks must be paid/bribed, there is no way around it.  Now they are directing the blame at MarkScam!

Here's the thing about pre-order blunders and refunds.  KenScam intentionally sent out checks without signing them, he did it to every requester and more than once to many of them.  He did this to buy time, it has all been about buying time.  From the shares being held, some mystical investigation legal issue, the PR person(s), the so called CS reps (yet Ken has stated he is doing the CS), everything... whether it real or all lies, he used to buy time or used to make excuses.  KenScam actually thinks that he is not to blame for his blunders, he blames eASIC for the chip, he blames Magic The Gathering exchange, he blames VE, he blames irate customers, he blames irate shareholders, he blames the advisory board for bailing on him (they knew he was a fool long before zum and Vincey, hence the bailing), he blames electricians, he blames the government for their investigation, he blames CS reps for check refund issuance, he blames anything he can and while shifting blame, he belittles investors and customers, talks down to people who are angry and acts like a teenage girl who hates all other girls because they are prettier than she.  Soon, zum and Vince will be like you and I, and someone will be taking their place.

Want to have some fun?  lets break down this losers weekly ScamReport for his investors, that he normally does every Wednesday, but some how "forgot" (his words) and instead it was released Thursday.  Forgot... hmm, you do this every week now, yet you forgot... must be one of those senior moments again

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A. Financials and related

(i)   Do we expect to, or have we already received money from eASIC for a partial refund?  If so please provide figures.  If not could you give a quick run down on what happened.

The project manager managed to get a partial refund, when the PO said Non-Refundable, Non-Cancelable

We have heard time and again, partial refund.  The important and obvious request for answer is to HOW MUCH FUCKING MONEY DID YOU RECOVER DOUCHE?  Yet, again, KenScam cherry picks portions of the questions here and vaguely answers the ones he wants to

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(ii)  When can we expect a financial report?

Which do you want Sales or Report, working on getting us a CPA and getting the taxes done.  Can't keep Customer Service Reps due to all the threats and bad language.

What part of financial report is difficult to understand here?  They wanted a financial report, is this another one of those senior moments KenScam?  Oh but you are working on getting your own CPA, which you said you were working on forever ago, and then had, and he was doing the books, then you didn't have him, and were working on getting him, and then implied you had because a report would be out by the end of the month, but it never came, and you still work to get one (run on sentence intended).  Hmm... ok so you don't have one, never had one, so you lied, but you will be releasing a report right?  What do CS reps have to do with a financial report?  I would also state you are lucky threats are all that have been slung your way KenScam, considering the sentiment you have bathed in since you went all KenScam. 

Where are my marbles, who stole my marbles, I can't find my marbles...


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(iii)  How many Gold Rush & Prospector cards do you have in hand?

We have enough Gold Rush to fulfill our current orders.  We have a production line up and running and tooled with parts.  The project manager has set it up to do a 5,000 board run.

Should we really even believe this?  The only part of this line I can take from it is that you formulated a coherent sentence with almost proper structure.  Kind of amazing actually.

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(iv)  Could you approximate the revenue from selling all the cards in one month assuming the BTC price stays the same?

This is hard to do as we are always working on lowering our production cost, early boards are higher and later boards are lower.

Actually, this is not at all hard to do when you actually read the damn question.  An approximation is an estimate, a ball park, a get it close, a hand grenades and horseshoes.  You have sold 'N' amount of boards.  You have sold 'X' amount of boards at price 'A', you have sold 'Y' amount of boards at price 'B', and you have sold Z amount of boards at price 'C'.  Care for me to work that formula for you, shit it wasn't that hard.  Of course, it would be hard to do, as KenScam put it, if you didn't keep books... back to that financial report aaaaagain!

(X * A) + (Y * B) + (Z * C) = $$$$ revenue  -  I smrt, I do mathes, I pasted 9th grade algebraw!  (of course if we do it the Vince math way, then yes it is "very" hard to do.


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(v)   When will the first dividends be paid out?  How will you calculate how much to pay per share and what is that percentage figure?

That is to be determined from our current mining revenue and current sales, we have a number of sales in the works.

A number of sales, on a site, that is barely functional, and a reputation as tarnished as yours, treating customers the way you do.  Certainly that all adds up to MOAR SALES!  Just come out and say it, dividends are not going to be paid for some period of time because KenScam and co. need that revenue to attempt to extract this raspberry out of the gigantic mound of triceratops dung that ActiveScam is in(Jurassic Park for those who didn't get that reference).

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(vi)  Are there any outstanding refunds still to be paid?  If so how much and when will they be honoured?

Here is what we are sending to customers:

We are making progress with our mining operation and our sales. We going to use the funds from these to pay refunds as we lost a lot of Pre-Order bitcoins on MtGox. We expect to refund 100% of our customers.

Regards,
Ken
Customer service

Progress can be measured in so many ways, and for you to say progress, I would agree that you are correct.  Even a snail makes it from point A to point B eventually.  However, here we are again reading another one of KenScam's memo's that reads as if it was written by my 7 year old niece.  These senior moments occur far to frequently, and apparently 'spell and grammar' check has them too.  Understanding KenScam speak, KenScam actually answers the previous question.  ActiveScam will be using the funds from the mining and sales operation (your dividends) to pay those refunds, and KenScam is sure to remind you that MarkScam lost your coin/pre-order money and he is the one to blame for dividends going to pre-order customers.   

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(vii)  How much of ActM/VMCs assets were exposed as a result of the acquisition of People's Asic?

~157,000 shares

People's ASIC must be feeling terrible, I wonder if those guys read this forum?  One would assume they had to of done some research into the readily available information on KenScam right here in his many different threads created by and for him.  Damn, considering that, I don't feel bad for them anymore.  Moving along.

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B. Website & Chip design

(i)   Why hasn't the website been updated given that it's high priority and relatively easy to do?  When will the website be brought up to date?

No, it has not be a high priority, getting our mining farm has been the highest priority.  We are now bring the website up to high priority.

Again, a school girl must have written this.  Clearly it hasn't been a priority, and it was taken care of for you ages ago by a friendly guy named Lewicki.  Nevertheless, is ActiveScam incapable of multitasking?  Does ActiveScams employees only work select hours?  I don't know about the rest of the world, but when it comes to imposed deadlines and having to hit them or your ass is out of a job, you hit them at any and all means necessary.  There is slack and leeway for those who come near deadlines, but missing deadlines by months is inexcusable and shows KenScams level of dedication.  Back to Lewicki's site, from my understanding he created that in his own time, after work hours, and within a few days.  Can someone confirm that who is in the know?  I am pretty sure it was only a couple days for him to finish that storefront.

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(ii)  What is the status of ActM's asic development? Is ActM still working on its own 28nm chip? Specifically, have we entered into a contractual relationship with a fab and a semiconductor company? And if so, when can we expect to have physical chips on hand?

We are working on getting our own chip, this is high priority.

If it is high priority, and you are indeed working on getting a chip as you have stated numerous times, then what is the status like the question requested?  You can actually answer this without divulging the manufacturer and use this question as a confidence/sentiment builder by having a detailed response.  Problem with KenScam and his senior moments, he cannot expand in detail because those senior moments occur is succession quite rapidly, hence the irrelevant responses.  I shake my head at situation/opportunities like this

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(iii)  If you are working on developing a 28nm chip, when will it be ready and how competitive will it be against, say HASHFAST's offering?

Can't say at this point, lot of thing are happening.

Can't say, won't say, shouldn't say.  One thing I can say, a lot of 'thing' are happening.  Seriously KenScam, at least make it seem you are interested in your investors instead of rapidly flying through a half assed answer, that isn't an answer, and not even expressed properly.  One THING I can tell you is that THINGS are happening from a creditor standpoint.

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C. Mining Farm

(i)  Please detail a schedule for deployment. When are we expected to reach 200TH, 300TH, 400TH,.. etc?

We expect in this datacenter to be at 120TH-150TH, which we think will be the max due to the AC required.

What were those original estimations again for this center before it even had legs?  Just continue to ignore those with DC contacts and resources to assist in expansion, that business model is working well.

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(ii)  Are you working on starting a second mining farm given the limitations experienced by the first one?

Not at this time, we are working on sales.  We have a good solid income from the mining farm, now we what to get the fast income from sales.

Are we surprised by this?  Day to day KenScam cannot discern what is priority and what is not.  Allow me to assist you on this KenScam, mining and sales are equally important.  This isn't rocket science, you are not putting ASIC's into orbit.  You should not be a one-man-do-all team, delegate, delegate, delegate!  Mining and Sales should be ActiveScam's priorities, not one over the other, and they do not swap or switch with the weather patterns. I saw other guys in your pics getting the DC up, you supposedly have employees.  Does the entire dog and pony show travel together as one circus from priority to priority?  Again, written like a 7 year old, doesn't instill confidence one bit.

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(iii)  What are your data center plans. Your current facilities are no where near adequate to meet your goals. How are you going to resolve this what steps have been taken and what steps will be taken to insure that you can scale this operation?

We have learned from a current datacenter the requirements, time, and cost required to put a datacenter together.  We are now going to focus on sales which gives us some explosive income potential.

There would have been no learning curve for ActiveScam if they actually listened to the experts that are readily available and eager to assist.  Even some of your shareholders have expertise in this arena, yet KenScam ignored them because KenScam can do all!  KenScam don't need no stinkin' advice!

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D.  Miscellaneous

(i)  HASHFAST are having real issues at present.  They seem to be stock rich and cash poor.  Is this going to be an issue for ActM?  Are we guaranteed to receive the stock we require to stay in business?

We know all about HASHFAST, we have a number of plans in the works, some of which could generate up to 2.5 Million in profits

When KenScam begins to throw out numbers, 100% of the time history has shown KenScam cannot math.

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(ii)   What benefits has the People's Asic team brought to the table and what are they actively working on?

Without the People's ASIC team, there is noway we could be where we are today.

So basically you readily admit to be out of your element, way in over your head, and someone else has been the reason for what ActiveScam accomplished to date.  Interesting, you sir just got self owned.

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(iii)  Are you advertising VMC machines anywhere?  Are there plans to do so?

Yes, Google Adwords

Clearly KenScam is in charge of marketing too!  Google Adwords is the proper channel to advertise and market through, everything else is extremely inferior.  KenScam deems it only necessary to market on Google Adwords and not additional places where individuals in this space frequent.

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(iv)  When will you update the operational plan given that so much has changed in the last year.  Potential and current shareholders require this in order to decide the risk going forward.

The plan is the same, mine and sale

If the plan is the same, and the results are what we have now, then I wouldn't expect many new shareholders or investors.  If your business model is stagnate and not ever evolving, you are set to fail miserably.  Every single successful CEO knows that if their organization isn't reinventing itself daily, sourcing new avenues and evolving with the times, then they will die off such as ActiveScams swansong is ringing now.

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(v)  Ken has said that we are using our own contractor for creating the boards. However Vince in his video explains that it's highly likely the boards are just being built by Hashfast.  Can Ken please clarify?

Like, I have said in the past, we have used the same CM to build the boards, we paid the CM, we supplied the parts, we used HF supplied design to build the boards.  We currently have 200 Gold Rush PCB's in stock, another 400 in production, that we have built with a different CM waiting to be assembled.  We have a CM line tooled with parts to do a 5,000 board run as soon as the market demand dictates that we make the run.  We are working with customers that have HF chips in had to use their chips to assemble boards for them.

Hashfast may indeed help prop up KenScam and co. but it will not be the life support ActiveScam requires.  Why is KenScam not marketing to these customers and plastering this service all over these forums and websites involved in bitcoin?  Oh yeah I forgot, those customers can easily find this information because ActiveScam advertises on Adwords.  Silly me.

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(vi)  In case the chances to make more coins out of the coins available are rather slim... will you stop spending them and stop ActM by paying out the remaining funds as divs or will you try anything till the end even when its uncertain that the plans will work?

We believe that we are in a great position with the previous production to make a profit in the near future.  Should we see that the business does not have a chance to be profitable, then yes we would liquidate. 

KenScam uses this 'belief' line quite a bit, doesn't leave much to be desired when considering his beliefs.  This line alone should send you ActiveScam holders running.  However, dudes like me with balls of steel couldn't give two shits about 10k shares and their value, because I already know they are worth 0.  You cannot sell something that is worth nothing.  This entire sham is actually amusing!  Commenting on the mental deficiencies within KenScam is a fun way to pass the time and he makes it so easy.  Expect a liquidation within the next two hours to 4 months, because the man behind the curtain running this show is not a beacon of success, he is a train wreck horror of failure.
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May 16, 2014, 09:01:05 PM
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Very good points man, I understand why you are pissed and attack the guy and his methods but you can't deny every single point you make is based in fact.

One thing that struck me when I read that was a possible explanation as to why the shares hadn't been put up before - Peoples ASIC.

Their work for Ken and goodwill (aren't they still his engineering team) is partly based on the payment he made to them - and he paid them in 157k actm shares which he most likely valued at around IPO price. That would be anything from 400-600BTC. So he paid them essentially 200k USD of actm shares.

Well - that's what they thought!

They are worth 7k today. And actually if BTC was nearer 700USD when the deal was done then they thought they were getting 300k+ USD.

So this is why Ken didn't want to list us for so long, he knew Peoples ASIC would be blown away by how little their shares are really worth on the open market. They certainly didn't sell their IP, skills and equipment for 7kUSD.

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Re. People's ASIC:  Possible, but assumes:
1.  There was a People's ASIC deal.
2.  They aren't drawing pay (sure, ken said they are not, but he has ...a way with words).
3.  They're mindnumbingly stupid -- They would have to be disconnected from the web not to know about the investigation/untradable shares/the train wreck they have bought into.  These are presumably educated men, engineers.  Not amateur finance enthusiast of this forum.
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Very good points man, I understand why you are pissed and attack the guy and his methods but you can't deny every single point you make is based in fact.


I am not pissed at all, I was at first and that is what brought me here to register and post, but I am not angry at all anymore.  I am glad to have joined and I have KenScam to thank for that!  To be fair, the points I make are not facts, they are mostly opinion and that isn't difficult to admit.  If we are going to be fair though, then we have to fairly asses the facts KenScam gives us.  Assesing this is fun, KenScam rarely gives his investors facts, all they get is vague conjecture, pipe dreams, missed self imposed deadlines and outright lies.

Everything I gleefully highlighted in red above may not be all fact, but their are definitely some factual information there.  Just a few facts to highlight: KenScam has lied to you several times, he has mismanaged his company, he does cherry pick your questions and answers them in KenScam speak to confuse you, he does blame others and make excuses, he does communicate like a mentally deficient adult or a 7 year old girl.  Highlighting some of the opinions I have: KenScam doesn't care about his investors, he is effected by an illness that breeds more stupidity at an infinite rate, my assertions to ActiveScam dividends dust, or it's financial status.

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