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[Cookie.Monsters]

Following what Drew (Mister know-it-all but knows nothing) says about tainting coins does not make the blockchain centralized, I would like you to read this part of a research paper from the University of Zurich, about the decentralization of the bitcoin. This applies to Pac also and any coins.

"Coin Tainting
Given that Bitcoin transactions basically consist of a chain of digital signatures, the expenditure of individual coins can be publicly tracked. This enables any entity to “taint” coins that belong to aspecific (set of) addresses and monitor their expenditure across the network. The literature features a number of proposals that cluster Bitcoin addresses, and gather behavioural information about these addresses.
Coin tainting is currently used to achieve a degree of accountability in the Bitcoin network; if an address misbehaves, then Bitcoin users can decide to stop interacting with the address (i.e.,not accepting its coins), thus deflating the value of all the coins pertaining to that address. For instance, following a theft of 43,000 BTCs from the Bitcoin trading platform Bitcoinica, the Bitcoin service MtGox traced the stolen BTC and locked accounts that were receiving the tainted coins.These incidents show that powerful entities in Bitcoin can—rightfully or not—deflate the value of BTCs owned by specific addresses.  If these entities were to cooperate with the handful of developers that have privileged rights in the system, then all Bitcoin users can be warned not to accept BTCs that pertain from a given address (e.g., using alert messages).
Even worse, developers can hard-code a list of banned Bitcoin addresses within the official Bitcoin client releases, thus blocking all interactions with a given Bitcoin address without the consent of users. Furthermore, while coin tainting can be used to “punish” provably misbehaving addresses, it could also be abused to control the financial flows in the network subject to government pressure,but also due to social activism. This empowers few powerful entities that are not necessarily part of the Bitcoin network, such as governments and activists, to regulate the Bitcoin economy. Even if all Bitcoin decisions and operations were completely decentralized—which they are not—coin tainting presents an obstacle to a truly decentralized Bitcoin.
Coin tainting can be especially detrimental if coins are not widely exchanged among Bitcoin addresses. This enables entities to damage only a specific set of addresses, without alienating other addresses in the system. Other users are then also likely to “boycott” the tainted coins."

I recommend you to read this research paper from here:
https://eprint.iacr.org/2013/829.pdf

Well, it is not a paper "from" University of Zürich - only one of the authors appears to be from ETH Zürich actually, and not from University of Zürich.

To the point though: yes, the ability to ban addresses is an inherent property of any blockchain cryptocurrency out there. In my opinion: not banning addresses involved in theft (or any other serious crime) is not really an option, since cryptocurrency should not be financial safe haven for crime, regardless what effects it has on (de)centralisation. The true issue lies when developers of a closed source cryptocurrency project would hide the fact that addresses got banned since this is, mildly put, prone to manipulation with no transparency (even if in some cases the intention might be good). Beyond that, there is always a question on what authority has an address been declared a "criminal" one and got banned from the network - ideally one would have a court order for that, but which court has the expertise and jurisdiction over a world-wide used blockchain with coin owners spread over many continents and countries, particularly if the owner(s) of the addresses are unknown...?

[Aktarus]

Well, it is not a paper "from" University of Zürich - only one of the authors appears to be from ETH Zürich actually, and not from University of Zürich.

  Does it hurts?
It is usual that the research is first awarded to the uni of the research leader, which is here Dr. Gervais from ETH Zürich.

ETH Zurich is a science, technology, engineering and mathematics university in the city of Zürich, Switzerland... In the 2020 edition of the QS World University Rankings ETH Zurich has been ranked 6th in the world (2nd in Europe after the University of Oxford),[6] which represents a one place improvement compared to the 2019 edition,[7] and is also ranked 13th in the world by the Times Higher Education World Rankings 2018 (4th in Europe after Oxbridge and Imperial College London).

But if you prefer, you can award this research to the third school: HEC Paris... Which is one of the most famous and prestigious french shool of business, ask Maciej if you don't believe me  

No seriously Cookiess, do not play this denial game here...

 

[Cookie.Monsters]

Well, it is not a paper "from" University of Zürich - only one of the authors appears to be from ETH Zürich actually, and not from University of Zürich.

  Does it hurts?
It is usual that the research is first awarded to the uni of the research leader, which is here M. Gervais from ETH Zürich.

ETH Zurich is a science, technology, engineering and mathematics university in the city of Zürich, Switzerland... In the 2020 edition of the QS World University Rankings ETH Zurich has been ranked 6th in the world (2nd in Europe after the University of Oxford),[6] which represents a one place improvement compared to the 2019 edition,[7] and is also ranked 13th in the world by the Times Higher Education World Rankings 2018 (4th in Europe after Oxbridge and Imperial College London).

But if you prefer, you can award this research to the third school: HEC Paris... Which is one of the most famous and prestigious french shool of business, ask Maciej if you don't believe me  

No seriously Cookiess, do not play this denial game here...

It is interesting how (over)confident you are - here is the explanation - do read carefully:

1. University of Zürich is a separate entity from ETH Zürich - you are still mixing them up. The named author is (or was at the time the paper was published) from ETH Zürich and not from University of Zürich, as claimed by you.

2. Nobody tried to say that ETH Zürich is bad - it is indeed famous and more known than the University of Zürich. You simply misunderstood and thought that I am trying to marginalise its importance / quality, while I was just pointing to another mistake of your "research".

3. Just to correct you again: the grant holder/hosting laboratory head is normally the last author of a research paper. Hence the research gets assigned normally to the last author's institution (and not first), unless it is a joint research / review paper of fellow peers where this matters less (for more information, please read the following article from one of the most famous / quoted science journals out there (next to Nature):
https://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2010/04/conventions-scientific-authorship)

Again, I am not trying to dispute the quality of the institutions, I am simply observing that your attempts to understand and convey even the simplest facts are full of your mistakes and misinterpretations.

[Aktarus]

As usual... you try to muddy the waters. Twist, twist...

The fact is Pac is a decentralized and a private blockchain belonging to a private company, belonging to a narcissistic CEO, now.
So I recommend anyone to think twice before investing to pac global.
There is hundreds of better project, lead by real professionals.
I feel bad for that guy who just lost 800k pac from a banned address (cryptopia). Coz if the court who is in charge of the liquidation release the coins, he will not be able to receive them anyway. If there was a little chance for him to recover, now it's definitely dead thanks to Drew's blind politics.

[Cookie.Monsters]

As usual... you try to muddy the waters. Twist, twist...

The fact is Pac is a decentralized and a private blockchain belonging to a private company, belonging to a narcissistic CEO, now.
So I recommend anyone to think twice before investing to pac global.
There is hundreds of better project, lead by real professionals.
I feel bad for that guy who just lost 800k pac from a banned address (cryptopia). Coz if the court who is in charge of the liquidation release the coins, he will not be able to receive them anyway. If there was a little chance for him to recover, now it's definitely dead thanks to Drew's blind politics.

You are the one consistently getting things wrong (on purpose or not) - every second post of mine is about simply correcting your mistakes and misinterpretations.
For that reason, literally nothing you say or write can be taken as a fact, and needs to be checked and re-checked.

[Aktarus]

As usual... you try to muddy the waters. Twist, twist...

The fact is Pac is a decentralized and a private blockchain belonging to a private company, belonging to a narcissistic CEO, now.
So I recommend anyone to think twice before investing to pac global.
There is hundreds of better project, lead by real professionals.
I feel bad for that guy who just lost 800k pac from a banned address (cryptopia). Coz if the court who is in charge of the liquidation release the coins, he will not be able to receive them anyway. If there was a little chance for him to recover, now it's definitely dead thanks to Drew's blind politics.

You are the one consistently getting things wrong (on purpose or not) - every second post of mine is about simply correcting your mistakes and misinterpretations.
For that reason, literally nothing you say or write can be taken as a fact, and needs to be checked and re-checked.

Now you show your real face. Attacking the form, typos, etc... To discredite my arguments.
That just shows that I am 100% true. You can't attack the arguments so you attack the form.
Basically, this chinese expression concerns you directly:  "When a Wise Man Points at the Moon, The Fool Looks at the Finger"
Do you really think people are that stupid cookiess?
Soon Cookiess you will see a bunch of beautiful and well written articles about Pac, and how it is decentralized. As well as how the CEO is in conflict of interest.

Thanks me later

[rodrigobitcoin]

The 3 december i have withdraw 549.765 PAcglobal from graviex. In the same day i have send 150.000 pac to stakecube address, and i see 399.765 in my wallet.
today i open wallet and see balance 0 and a incoming transiction MINTED from  7 december with 0 confirmation. Later this transiction, all my pac disappered. Why ?
this is my address
http://explorer.pacglobal.io/address/PTRtsckgse21ZgjtLqAjeM2qgCcNvmxZW4

[Aktarus]

After reviewing the PAC masternode network, there appears to be a few masternodes suffering from performance issues due to excessive peer connections. The PDF linked below shows the potentially affected masternodes. PAC Global team suggests updating to the newest wallet version available (b5cdfa551) as it reduces the required amount of intra-masternode (or quorum) connections to a moderate amount, without affecting network security.

A few? Really? Be precise Cookiess. It'sannoying to always correct you. But well you re used to following the way the team manage business (promoting exchanges with fake data, a fake youtube video with fake 15k subs, etc.)

1200 Vs 5000 is not few to me.





Think twice before investing to $pac guys Especially when you know they mint coins.
#litecoinfam #blockchain #Crypto #paccoin https://t.co/mVICDB23uS

[Cookie.Monsters]

After reviewing the PAC masternode network, there appears to be a few masternodes suffering from performance issues due to excessive peer connections. The PDF linked below shows the potentially affected masternodes. PAC Global team suggests updating to the newest wallet version available (b5cdfa551) as it reduces the required amount of intra-masternode (or quorum) connections to a moderate amount, without affecting network security.

A few? Really? Be precise Cookiess. It'sannoying to always correct you. But well you re used to following the way the team manage business (promoting exchanges with fake data, a fake youtube video with fake 15k subs, etc.)

1200 Vs 5000 is not few to me.

Think twice before investing to $pac guys Especially when you know they mint coins.
#litecoinfam #blockchain #Crypto #paccoin https://t.co/mVICDB23uS

No, I am not wrong - the linked PDF is showing the potentially affected masternode and not affected masternodes. The evidence that supports that is clear: in a growing network of PAC masternodes (currently 6793, close to 1000 more than a few weeks ago) currently only 433 are not enabled (and not only to excessive peer connections, but for whatever reason that might be).

[Cookie.Monsters]

As usual... you try to muddy the waters. Twist, twist...

The fact is Pac is a decentralized and a private blockchain belonging to a private company, belonging to a narcissistic CEO, now.
So I recommend anyone to think twice before investing to pac global.
There is hundreds of better project, lead by real professionals.
I feel bad for that guy who just lost 800k pac from a banned address (cryptopia). Coz if the court who is in charge of the liquidation release the coins, he will not be able to receive them anyway. If there was a little chance for him to recover, now it's definitely dead thanks to Drew's blind politics.

You are the one consistently getting things wrong (on purpose or not) - every second post of mine is about simply correcting your mistakes and misinterpretations.
For that reason, literally nothing you say or write can be taken as a fact, and needs to be checked and re-checked.

Now you show your real face. Attacking the form, typos, etc... To discredite my arguments.
That just shows that I am 100% true. You can't attack the arguments so you attack the form.
Basically, this chinese expression concerns you directly:  "When a Wise Man Points at the Moon, The Fool Looks at the Finger"
Do you really think people are that stupid cookiess?
Soon Cookiess you will see a bunch of beautiful and well written articles about Pac, and how it is decentralized. As well as how the CEO is in conflict of interest.

Thanks me later

Unlike you, I do not think that people are stupid. Please be reminded that it is you who actually called everyone holding PAC "morons" just a little while ago.
Am I only correcting the form and the typos? Of course not, half of your central arguments that you use to prove your points are simply wrong - there is a large amount evidence in this very thread that you cannot properly read and understand simple things which are clearly written out or need a bit of research to be properly identified. For example, you claimed multiple times that the PAC Global CMO is mechnical enigneer, but he is not. There is rather big difference between that occupation/education and the one PAC Global CMO currently has. For a more recent example, in the post above you again claim that the PAC is a private blockchain, but one finds following:

"When we talk about public blockchains, what most people are really talking about is a public open blockchain. It’s a blockchain where anybody can write data to the blockchain, and anybody else can come and read that data."

or

"In a private blockchain, only the entities participating in a transaction will have knowledge about it, whereas the others will not be able to access it."
(the source of the latter: https://www.blockchain-council.org/blockchain/public-vs-private-blockchain-a-comprehensive-comparison/)

from which is clear that PAC is not a private blockchain.

[Cookie.Monsters]

The 3 december i have withdraw 549.765 PAcglobal from graviex. In the same day i have send 150.000 pac to stakecube address, and i see 399.765 in my wallet.
today i open wallet and see balance 0 and a incoming transiction MINTED from  7 december with 0 confirmation. Later this transiction, all my pac disappered. Why ?
this is my address
http://explorer.pacglobal.io/address/PTRtsckgse21ZgjtLqAjeM2qgCcNvmxZW4

The sum of PAC you have has simply staked. If the transaction with 0 confirmations has the status "0/confirmed, not in a memory pool" you can simply right-mouse click it and select "Abandon transaction". That should recover the funds (provided that your wallet is otherwise doing fine).
If you need further help, you can also join PAC discord server so one can chat with you (and exchange e.g. screenshots if desired).

[Aktarus]

Are you autistic? I'm serious. Not mocking you.
Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING nor have any degree in this field. HE IS NOT qualified to be a CMO.
Do you understand? Are you autistic?
Do you understand? I repeat...

Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING.

I know you are paid by the number of words, but please stay focus on the important point. Look at the moon not the finger...

[Cookie.Monsters]

Are you autistic? I'm serious. Not mocking you.
Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING nor have any degree in this field. HE IS NOT qualified to be a CMO.
Do you understand? Are you autistic?
Do you understand? I repeat...

Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING.

I know you are paid by the number of words, but please stay focus on the important point. Look at the moon not the finger.

Again wrong, I am not paid by the number of words. Again, please, do not insult.

In contrast to mechanical engineering, do note that a significant part of industrial engineering is marketing/economics, organizational behavior and covers creation of (dynamic) company models. In addition, marketing projects such as quantitative/qualitative research and writing/executing business cases/research setups/proposals is part of being an industrial engineer.
To your point: How does one become "a professional in marketing" (even those who have a relevant degree) if not by doing it? Robin has been directly promoting PAC for roughly a couple of years now through PAC charity.

[Aktarus]

Unlike you, I do not think that people are stupid. Please be reminded that it is you who actually called everyone holding PAC "morons" just a little while ago.

LIAR I never said people holding pac are morons but the shills are!

Here is my answer to Maciej, one of your shills team:

Now you can't even ask for Binance as you already are in the number one Exchange. Morons... lol

Keep with your bad faith you and your team the LIARS. People are not stupid and see how you twist to avoid real questions. It is not a fight between me and you. What do you think new people coming here will think? lol
You are actually harming your own business Cookiess. Keep going, you help me a lot

[Aktarus]

Are you autistic? I'm serious. Not mocking you.
Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING nor have any degree in this field. HE IS NOT qualified to be a CMO.
Do you understand? Are you autistic?
Do you understand? I repeat...

Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING.

I know you are paid by the number of words, but please stay focus on the important point. Look at the moon not the finger.

Again wrong, I am not paid by the number of words. Again, please, do not insult.

In contrast to mechanical engineering, do note that a significant part of industrial engineering is marketing/economics, organizational behavior and covers creation of (dynamic) company models. In addition, marketing projects such as quantitative/qualitative research and writing/executing business cases/research setups/proposals is part of being an industrial engineer.
To your point: How does one become "a professional in marketing" (even those who have a relevant degree) if not by doing it? Robin has been directly promoting PAC for roughly a couple of years now through PAC charity.

Show the marketing plan then. A real professional one?
I am waiting.

I repeat: Explain the marketing plan, please. Thank you

[Aktarus]

Oh I precise. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Robin personaly, I believe he is a good guy.
But I think you are doing a diversion as the biggest problem of your team actually is not the CMO but the CEO, because this position is the most important of the project.

Thus, Could you tell us what is the qualification of Drew as a CEO?

I repeat, Could you tell us what is the qualification of Drew as a CEO?

[Santibanes]

You continue to react to everything related to Brad.
Chill out  guy. Chill out.
Perhaps you are a normal person, I repeat this is possible.
But you take everything very personally, you have already offended all the PAC Global team members.
How can  talk normally with you ?  How ?

Cookies stop responding to this guy who’s offended by life, he is looking for specks in the eyes of others, and in his does not notice the log.
he is an ordinary Troll, in order to defeat the Troll, you need to stop answering him.
Smart people will find information on the official website and official sources.

[Cookie.Monsters]

Unlike you, I do not think that people are stupid. Please be reminded that it is you who actually called everyone holding PAC "morons" just a little while ago.

LIAR I never said people holding pac are morons but the shills are!

Here is my answer to Maciej, one of your shills team:

Now you can't even ask for Binance as you already are in the number one Exchange. Morons... lol

Keep with your bad faith you and your team the LIARS. People are not stupid and see how you twist to avoid real questions. It is not a fight between me and you. What do you think new people coming here will think? lol
You are actually harming your own business Cookiess. Keep going, you help me a lot

Let me quote your entry from this thread:

"And btw... IF someone put up a DAO and Drew disagree with this DAO, how could we know he will not use his 1723 votes against the DAO. You morrons literaly give Pac project to the narcissistic DREW..."

All people who installed the first version of the wallet issued by the Drew and his team have "given" the PAC as project to Drew and his team. Since just about everyone owning PAC has actually installed that wallet, you have called everyone holding PAC "morons".

[Cookie.Monsters]

Are you autistic? I'm serious. Not mocking you.
Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING nor have any degree in this field. HE IS NOT qualified to be a CMO.
Do you understand? Are you autistic?
Do you understand? I repeat...

Robin is a student in industrial engineering. That's the point HE IS NOT a professional in MARKETING.

I know you are paid by the number of words, but please stay focus on the important point. Look at the moon not the finger.

Again wrong, I am not paid by the number of words. Again, please, do not insult.

In contrast to mechanical engineering, do note that a significant part of industrial engineering is marketing/economics, organizational behavior and covers creation of (dynamic) company models. In addition, marketing projects such as quantitative/qualitative research and writing/executing business cases/research setups/proposals is part of being an industrial engineer.
To your point: How does one become "a professional in marketing" (even those who have a relevant degree) if not by doing it? Robin has been directly promoting PAC for roughly a couple of years now through PAC charity.

Show the marketing plan then. A real professional one?
I am waiting.

I repeat: Explain the marketing plan, please. Thank you

You are not entitled to see (any details of) the marketing plan, I am sorry. Reason: your intentions are simply and clearly hostile.

[Cookie.Monsters]

Oh I precise. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against Robin personaly, I believe he is a good guy.
But I think you are doing a diversion as the biggest problem of your team actually is not the CMO but the CEO, because this position is the most important of the project.

Thus, Could you tell us what is the qualification of Drew as a CEO?

I repeat, Could you tell us what is the qualification of Drew as a CEO?

For that is no clear answer - a CEO needs many skills and many of these are not taught in a college or at a university. Is there any degree one really must have to be a successful CEO? Not really.

Since I know that the above answer will make you mad, let me try another, also valid answer:

Drew was the only one who was ready to take that responsibility on him.
PAC owners accepted it then (otherwise they would not install his teams wallet) and still accept it.