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October 02, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
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The question was: How isn't a reduction in costs, resulting in a resumption in dividends, plus an upsurge in share price, good news? Go!
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There is no "reduction in cost" for cryptx.  It costs him exactly the same to host the gear, he simply lowered the fee.
That's not a "reduction in cost" for you.  By lowering the fee, he is able to continue mining and paying you Satoshi divs, instead of having to sell your gear.

If he had sold your gear, you would have gotten much more money than you will ever collect in divs.
I have no idea why share price rose--anything from manipulation to traders being as intelligent as you.

  ~Happy investing.

I'm sorry, I guess you misunderstood me/ misunderstood language:

I meant that there was a reduction in costs for shareholders, not a reduction in costs for Lambschopspeculation/CryptXatRoot/OrAnyOneElse.

Again. I'm not saying everything is coming up roses. I am just asking the resident trolls to explain how a reduction in costs TO SHAREHOLDERS is bad news TODAY.

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im just gonna make up numbers here to make it easy

lets say today we sold hardware we get 1000 btc
or we mine for another month and get 200 btc, next month we can only sell hardware for 500btc for a total of 700btc

I'm not actually going to weigh in on a course of action, but we already saw that 30% variance (700 vs. 1000 BTC) just in share price change today. So, what's the hubbub about, at this point?
its a terrible investment but a great opportunity at sketchy profits in day trading....
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October 03, 2014, 04:00:40 AM
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Dear unit holders,

We would like to announce that with immediate effect, hosting costs will be reduced from 0.15$/GH to 0.105$/GH per month.
Team CryptX

Epic!

Once again cryptx has proven to be a scammer and a liar. Happy business with him!

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October 03, 2014, 06:07:46 AM
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The craziest of the crazy nuts predicted just about everything right while you got it dead wrong. What does that say about you?

It says that you still haven't explained your interest, or agenda, or why you post here all the time for something you are not invested in. Your early predictions were all about CryptX's re-investments plans, yet that was voted out long ago, and you are still here even though this is a complete different (and, frankly un-interesting) security now. Why is that?

There is nothing to discuss anymore -- all the numbers are static,  easily calculated by anyone, but here you still are. Holy cow, why?!

You contradict yourself; you think the asset has become uninteresting, yet you keep posting in this thread and wonder why I do. I happen to think this asset was boring and utterly predictable for the past 6 months, its only now that its becoming interesting (and soon likely a thrilling soap opera). I also have to laugh at your proclaimed ability to easily calculate everything, or even anything at all. If you could add one and two together, you wouldnt have held this security for as long as you have.

As for my "agenda" and motivation, I really dont feel like I have to explain myself to you and Ive addressed that a bazillion times already.
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October 03, 2014, 06:53:15 AM
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Strangely enough Puppet arrived on this thread just after the last IPO... I have always wonder if Puppet was not Cryptex himself doing everything he can to make the price fall! Would make sense to be honest sell shares at 0.009 buy them back at 0.0001/6...

So many scams in the Bitcoin world it wouldn't surprise me.

Plus who is still buying those shares at 0.0006, what do they know? How come so many shares where sold at 0.0001, then the price rebound to 0.0004 the day before the announcement? why reduce hosting costs just after we hit 0% div? Why did Cryptx gave no news for weeks before that?

Seems to me that was all orchestrated in order for Cryptx to buy cheap shares...

Cryptx said we have the flexibility to sell hardware and buy new one for cheaper with better consumption cost. He said we are building relationship with ASIC builder so in the future we would get good deal... Why did we not start to sell slowly weeks ago? Why did he fell to mention that he will keep reinvestment at 0% for ever?

This security was not a bad deal if you invested early on, nerveless Peta is today 100% a scam. New Buyer be aware!   



   
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October 03, 2014, 07:34:03 AM
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Strangely enough Puppet arrived on this thread just after the last IPO... I have always wonder if Puppet was not Cryptex himself doing everything he can to make the price fall! Would make sense to be honest sell shares at 0.009 buy them back at 0.0001/6...

You dont have to be cryptx to do that. Besides, dont just look at the price, look at the depth and spread. You could sell your shares for 0.0001, but you couldnt buy any, lowest ask was like 4x that. And what you could buy for a low price was worth next to nothing. The depth just isnt there. You cant daytrade this like you can cex.io.

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Plus who is still buying those shares at 0.0006, what do they know?

You mean, what dont they know. Didnt you buy shares at 5 or 10x more? Did you know something I didnt, or was it more a case of you not knowing or believing?

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How come so many shares where sold at 0.0001,

How many? I thought it was like a few 100. That doesnt even buy you a beer. If I had any shares, I might do it for the heck of it.

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then the price rebound to 0.0004 the day before the announcement?

Again, that would have costed anyone just 0.0004 btc to make that happen. Ive seen it often someone buying just one or a few shares when there is a large spread between bid and ask, to drive up the apparent value. I even coined a term for it; usagiing. Long time members may understand that joke.

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why reduce hosting costs just after we hit 0% div?

Is that still not obvious to you?

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Why did Cryptx gave no news for weeks before that?

Seems to me that was all orchestrated in order for Cryptx to buy cheap shares..
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Do the math, see how much cryptx earns by doing nothing. Compare that to what you might be able to make daytrading a security with such low depth and large spread. If its even possible to come out ahead (which I seriously doubt), its simply not worth it for him. And if somehow it would, he'd have far better ways to influence the price than me stating the glaringly obvious and teaching long divisions.

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Cryptx said we have the flexibility to sell hardware and buy new one for cheaper with better consumption cost. He said we are building relationship with ASIC builder so in the future we would get good deal... Why did we not start to sell slowly weeks ago? Why did he fell to mention that he will keep reinvestment at 0% for ever?

Cryptx did sell some hardware a few months ago. The price he got for it was laughable, often less than half what was considered market value back then (not only that, he managed to send out a shitload of broken miners or badly packaged one's, ruining his reputation in that arena as well. Check out his untrusted feedback).

As for his relationship with asic manufacturers; afaik thats true. He has an investment in both Cointerra and Bitmine. Two shining examples of companies that deliver on spec and on time  Roll Eyes. If you think you'd have been better off had he reinvested dividends in buying more delayed / undelivered / under spec / overpriced hardware, I have some cloudmining to sell to you.

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This security was not a bad deal if you invested early on, nerveless Peta is today 100% a scam. New Buyer be aware!   

You got that backwards entirely. Cryptx was hugely overpriced at IPO, today its much closer to fair value, though still far from a smart investment. It could have been had he auctioned off his mine. I wouldnt call it a scam though. For the most part, cryptx has lived up to his end of the bargain. He just managed to sell that for an idiotic price, just like all the other cloudmining companies. That doesnt make it a scam, its just taking advantage of clueless investors.


   
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October 03, 2014, 11:07:21 AM
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BWAHAHAHA. This is too funny

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October 03, 2014, 11:42:29 AM
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BWAHAHAHA. This is too funny

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Maybe they forgot that maintenance fee is lowered? Wink

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October 03, 2014, 01:34:44 PM
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in two weeks it will hit zero forever.

It's funnier when you are wrong!
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October 03, 2014, 01:46:29 PM
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Almost today it will almost hit zero forever lol....
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October 03, 2014, 03:57:21 PM
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It's funnier when you are wrong!

Ive been "wrong" all along in most of my predictions; they where all too optimistic (although I did predict that too). It took a week rather than two weeks to hit zero div day.

Of course you are one of those sharpies who fails to grasp that continuing to receive a few one hundred-millionths of a bitcoin every day is far worse than the liquidation I was alluding too (and which I predicted would likely be postponed by lowering fees)

But yeah, I was "wrong" lol.
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October 03, 2014, 05:05:28 PM
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if pps will be lower than 1 satoshi
how divs will be distributed to 1 share bagholder ?

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October 03, 2014, 05:52:36 PM
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Can't we(the shareholders) do some voting or something to tell him to sell the hardware? After all it's ours...
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October 03, 2014, 07:59:24 PM
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if pps will be lower than 1 satoshi
how divs will be distributed to 1 share bagholder ?

Once per x days? But lets be real here, divs should be in the 4-500 satoshi range on average, I dont know what happened today but its probably a statistical anomaly (even if its a hilarious one). With the lowered fees there should be a fairly "long" time for the hardware to depreciate before divs hit ~ zero again. Though probably not long enough for the bitfury hosting contract to mature, will be fascinating to see how that pans out Smiley.
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October 05, 2014, 03:45:34 PM
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Guess we may find out sooner than even I had thought: just when you thought hasrate was finally leveling off, it crashes through 300PH (307PH currently according to blockchain). Combined with the very low btc exchange rate, that means once difficulty caught up with current hashrate in 2-3 weeks, we are back at ~ zero divs.

Will cryptx lower his fees yet again, or do what every shareholder with a brain hopes for, but what crypx contractually probably cant do (liquidate) ? Interesting times ahead Smiley
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October 06, 2014, 02:38:26 AM
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According to CryptX announcement on havelock effective immediately he is lowering hosting/management fee's to 0.10/kw/h!

*Lube has officially been broken out fellas.

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October 06, 2014, 04:09:09 AM
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According to CryptX announcement on havelock effective immediately he is lowering hosting/management fee's to 0.10/kw/h!

*Lube has officially been broken out fellas.

I think Cryptx will magically continue to lower their fees to whatever minimum will placate some of the shareholders so that they don't realize they're being fleeced.

If the (true) fixed costs exceed the revenue, you sell the equipment; that's just how it works. 
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October 06, 2014, 02:16:27 PM
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According to CryptX announcement on havelock effective immediately he is lowering hosting/management fee's to 0.10/kw/h!

*Lube has officially been broken out fellas.

I think Cryptx will magically continue to lower their fees to whatever minimum will placate some of the shareholders so that they don't realize they're being fleeced.

If the (true) fixed costs exceed the revenue, you sell the equipment; that's just how it works. 

It begs the question: what are actual energy costs, and how much has Cryptx been over-charging all this time?

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October 06, 2014, 04:00:09 PM
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Peta is now hosted by bitfury in Georgia (the republic, not the US state). Electricity is dirt cheap there, on the order $0.06/KwH
Cryptx claims .78J/GH at the wall.

0.78J/1000*$0.06 * 24 * 30 = ~$0.034 per gh in electricity per month. He used to charge $0.15 and now charges $0.105 in fees.

Of course the datacenter costs money too. How much and how the contract with bitfury is drafted is the real question. Something tells me cryptx cant just auction off his miners without breaching his contract.
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October 13, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
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Those reduced fees make all the difference in the world:
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2014-10-13	2014-10-13	0.00000068

Funny that no one here seems to mind the math doesnt add up. At all. Pitiful as divs are supposed to be, cryptx isnt even paying nearly as "much" as that.
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October 13, 2014, 11:20:56 AM
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If the (true) fixed costs exceed the revenue, you sell the equipment; that's just how it works.  
Smiley but at first you must find an idiot ready to buy this worthless equipment Smiley
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the same as to find somebody buy 5 GH/s for 0.0109 BTC to bMINE with ROI > 150 days Wink
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