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November 02, 2013, 01:26:37 AM
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Even Einstein was wrong sometimes.

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November 02, 2013, 01:29:14 AM
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Yea, I love being "insane." It feels like its just extra information that you normally wouldn't have access to.  But, It might be distracting me from important stuff. who knows? as long as i'm functional and happy I embrace it.

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November 02, 2013, 01:29:42 AM
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But step it up a notch to the 5th dimension.

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November 02, 2013, 01:31:23 AM
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people think i'm insane because I hear voices and see things that they can't see and vice versa.  Maybe I'm just one of the few sane people left.

In many Amazonian tribal cultures (and likely others as well), those who see things and hear voices are recognized at youth for their unique abilities and are taught how to accept, manage, and learn from those experiences.  These people often become village leaders or "shamans" that provide spiritual and even botanical/medicinal knowledge for the tribe.

Yeah, that's why the have such great medical care, low infant mortality rate, no cancer, they haven't almost got extinct when Europeans arrived there...

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November 02, 2013, 01:31:27 AM
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is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?

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November 02, 2013, 01:33:29 AM
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Remember: there has never been a single fact, theory, or model that science has been able to prove beyond all doubt, and as long as the scientific method is utilized, this will remain the case forever.

Science can't prove shit.  Never has, never will.
I know enough to know that I know nothing at all.

I'm sorry, but I think that's a stupid thing to say.

Of course you know things in some context or another, and you even know things absolutely in some context or another.

You know you exist in the context of your experience.  If you don't, you're insane.  It's directly evident -- so evident, in fact, that you know this before you could even generate the electrical signal to generate the thought in your head that you know you exist.

Direct experience. i.e. a direct subject/object relationship begets absolute information (and thus, absolute knowledge) about that relational system.  It's there.  All you need to do is stop being insane and acknowledge it.

I'm honestly saying this respectfully, because I've said your exact words in the past...until I realized they were insane.

I don't know I exist and I don't even know if I'm sane.

Dude.  Just look at the sentence you formulated.  It's a pile of contradictory horseshit.

"I know enough" to know that "I know nothing at all."  Your conclusion?  Enough = nothing.  Is there some validity to this?  Yes.  But you don't start from that perspective to explain things. That's called condition-level logic.  You need to start with a higher logical vantage point and look down upon condition-level logic to see it clearly and explain it.

Consider the following:  We are 3-dimensional beings.  What do we know of the 2nd dimension?  Well, it's pretty easy to learn about it.  Our world is made up of literally an infinite number of 2-dimensional surfaces.  Length and width...wow...hard stuff.

But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

In this way, it is possible to talk about the Universe in an absolutely true way using a set of hologrammatically similar languages.


nothing = enough

Like I said, there is some validity to this, but it's undeniable (and easy to prove) that absolute truth exists, and if "nothing = enough" is equatable to "absolute truth" then I think you gave up prematurely.  Most any person has all the tools they need to start looking for absolute truth right here, right now.  Absolute truth is like Bitcoin's cryptographic weaknesses in the sense that it's hidden in plain sight, but dislike Bitcoin's cryptographic weaknesses in that you can currently 'crack the code' using a specific method.

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November 02, 2013, 01:34:25 AM
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is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?
Only anybody and everybody who's ever existed.

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November 02, 2013, 01:35:05 AM
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But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

The 4th dimension is time.

To pinpoint a spot in space time you need 4 parameters.  Longitude, Latitude, Altitude and time.  

You can see a cross-section of a 4th dimensional object simply by looking at it.  You can record it by taking a picture, but no two pictures will be the same.

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November 02, 2013, 01:36:53 AM
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is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?
Only anybody and everybody who's ever existed.

There are probably a large number of "dimensions" and obviously any matter that exists would have to fall somewhere in each dimension.

The key is what we can understand.  I can't fathom more than 4 dimensions.  For those of you that believe in more, can you explain how they work?

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November 02, 2013, 01:38:06 AM
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But what about the 4th dimension?  This is a little bit trickier.  We can't see a 4-dimensional object, so how can we learn about one?  Well, we could draw a tesseract on a piece of paper!  This gives us some information about 4-dimensional objects.  How?  Because what we did is that we, as 3-dimensional beings, took conceptual, mathematical knowledge of 4-dimensional objects and quite literally thrust them into the 2nd dimension into a logical realm infinitely beneath our own.

The 4th dimension is time.

To pinpoint a spot in space time you need 4 parameters.  Longitude, Latitude, Altitude and time.  

You can see a cross-section of a 4th dimensional object simply by looking at it.  You can record it by taking a picture, but no two pictures will be the same.

FTFY

No, I can see the full four dimensions.  I can see exactly where it is in three dimensional space, and I can "see" the time as well.

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November 02, 2013, 01:41:08 AM
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I have reached the 8th-10th dimension.  The fifth dimension brings into play the variable of the mind, consciousness.  You can optionally see conscious energy in the fourth dimension.  Higher dimensions formulate more complicated patterns of energy.  Ultimately, the tenth dimension is pure white light, infinite love, absent of space and time.

If you want to see for yourself, eat a psychedelic, they are god's gift to connect to him, it, whatever.  Tune yourself to frequencies you didn't know existed.

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November 02, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
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is the 5th dimension where all the cool kids are?
Only anybody and everybody who's ever existed.

There are probably a large number of "dimensions" and obviously any matter that exists would have to fall somewhere in each dimension.

The key is what we can understand.  I can't fathom more than 4 dimensions.  For those of you that believe in more, can you explain how they work?

11 dimensions, according to some people.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M-theory

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November 02, 2013, 01:43:11 AM
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I have reached the 8th-10th dimension.  The fifth dimension brings into play the variable of the mind, consciousness.  You can optionally see conscious energy in the fourth dimension.  Higher dimensions formulate more complicated patterns of energy.  Ultimately, the tenth dimension is pure white light, infinite love, absent of space and time.

If you want to see for yourself, eat a psychedelic, they are god's gift to connect to him, it, whatever.  Tune yourself to frequencies you didn't know existed.

Really?  I'll make it easy on you.  Explain how the 5th dimension works in regards to the other 4.  Why is the 10th dimension the limit?

Once you have done that, I'll ask you about the 6th to 10th.   Roll Eyes



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November 02, 2013, 01:46:31 AM
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Their proof is that there is a limit to what can be conceived, and that limit is god? Well, it's not the Christian, Hebrew, or Muslim god. I don't really see how it's god at all, actually. Just a supreme limit that nothing can be conceived beyond...

By the way, scientists have disproven god a long time ago. Einstein said that god doesn't play dice with the universe, meaning that nothing is random and everything is planned and predetermined, and then quantum physics came out and proved that things in the universe are random and not planned out at all (maybe even killing a cat in the process, but we don't know), meaning god wasn't around to guide anything, or is just playing with dice, and thus was unimportant. Anyone can play with dice to make the universe completely random, or the universe can just be completely random on its own.

Ahh, but not all scientists have disproven God and this article shows that doesn't it?  Could scientist be wrong?  

It seems completely illogical to think that the universe is random to me.  How could something so complex as our universe happen by chance?


This is the fundamental flaw with the idea of God. You cannot explain complexity by invoking prior complexity.  Ask yourself if you think God is as least as complex as the universe. If you consider this to be true then you have moved the problem of where did complexity come from - and in fact, made the problem far harder because you now have monolithic complexity to explain. Complexity arising from self-organizing processes acting upon smaller units is seen throughout nature and has been performed experimentally.  The real question is "How did the super-compressed ball of energy originate?


The alternative is far worse: The complexity formed by itself at random in a vacuum of energy, information, intelligent input, and physical laws.

Is a programmer more complex than the program? Yes. And we can explain the program without knowing the life story or identity of the programmer. We assume a complex programmer because its the only possible explanation. If you could show a thing and prove that God could not create it, that would be proof that God is himself created: and therefore, not God. The buck has to stop somewhere. There is no infinite string of prime movers.
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November 02, 2013, 01:52:40 AM
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people think i'm insane because I hear voices and see things that they can't see and vice versa.  Maybe I'm just one of the few sane people left.

In many Amazonian tribal cultures (and likely others as well), those who see things and hear voices are recognized at youth for their unique abilities and are taught how to accept, manage, and learn from those experiences.  These people often become village leaders or "shamans" that provide spiritual and even botanical/medicinal knowledge for the tribe.

Yeah, that's why the have such great medical care, low infant mortality rate, no cancer, they haven't almost got extinct when Europeans arrived there...

You really have to visit the Amazon and live there for a while to try to understand what they're tapping into.  I know people don't believe in supernatural shit, but I witnessed a TON of stuff that I thought was impossible, maybe I was just hallucinating so I can't say for sure if it actually happened.  But it had to be everyone that was there having a shared vision because I received confirmation that this stuff was really happening. A lot of the shaman there have life figured out and they can cure things that we just can't in the west such as depression.  I would recommend to anyone going to an ayahausca lodge and meet a shaman. You will learn a lot about what is important.  It's my favorite place in the world.  If I didn't have people I care about in the USA I would apprentice a shaman and live there in a heartbeat.  It was life changing.  Unfortunately, they don't have a ton of money and I know that's how western people define success.  So we Americans look at those people as "poor." To be perfectly honest, I'm jealous of what some of them have: true freedom of the mind

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November 02, 2013, 01:59:10 AM
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I have reached the 8th-10th dimension.  The fifth dimension brings into play the variable of the mind, consciousness.  You can optionally see conscious energy in the fourth dimension.  Higher dimensions formulate more complicated patterns of energy.  Ultimately, the tenth dimension is pure white light, infinite love, absent of space and time.

If you want to see for yourself, eat a psychedelic, they are god's gift to connect to him, it, whatever.  Tune yourself to frequencies you didn't know existed.

Really?  I'll make it easy on you.  Explain how the 5th dimension works in regards to the other 4.  Why is the 10th dimension the limit?

Once you have done that, I'll ask you about the 6th to 10th.   Roll Eyes




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November 02, 2013, 02:01:19 AM
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I have reached the 8th-10th dimension.  The fifth dimension brings into play the variable of the mind, consciousness.  You can optionally see conscious energy in the fourth dimension.  Higher dimensions formulate more complicated patterns of energy.  Ultimately, the tenth dimension is pure white light, infinite love, absent of space and time.

If you want to see for yourself, eat a psychedelic, they are god's gift to connect to him, it, whatever.  Tune yourself to frequencies you didn't know existed.

Really?  I'll make it easy on you.  Explain how the 5th dimension works in regards to the other 4.  Why is the 10th dimension the limit?

Once you have done that, I'll ask you about the 6th to 10th.   Roll Eyes
In the fifth dimension the illusion of time no longer exists.  You live in the moment, at any moment, at your will.  There are infinite dimensions but the 10th dimension is what we would describe as god, a singular spaceless ball of consciousness.  It is what one would experience upon death of the ego.

In the fifth dimension, you control everything with your mind, as you do now but to a much greater extent.  You can do anything you believe.

It will happen quite rapidly.  Once one person enters the fifth dimension and has powers to prove such, people will start believing at an exponential rate and quickly ascend to the fifth dimension.

From there on, we will all live together, we will be one.

And if you get tired of being god, you can always revert back into a life on hell, with negativity, though you can pick any life you can imagine.

It's worth being open minded about and experiencing.

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November 02, 2013, 02:02:58 AM
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Thanks, but I'd rather Dank explain it, since I've never encountered another person who has claimed to experience 10 dimensions.

I can understand his not knowing what the 6th dimension is, but he has to know and understand what the 5th dimension is before he can experience the 6th.  I'm just asking him to explain in his own words what the 5th dimension is.

Did you notice how I explained, in my own words, what the 4th dimension was?

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November 02, 2013, 02:03:48 AM
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In the fifth dimension the illusion of time no longer exists.  You live in the moment, at any moment, at your will.  There are infinite dimensions but the 10th dimension is what we would describe as god, a singular spaceless ball of consciousness.  It is what one would experience upon death of the ego.

The 4th dimension is time.

Are you saying the 5th dimension somehow nullifies the 4th?  How does that work?  (keep in mind if you can't explain this you couldn't possibly have experienced the 6th or higher dimensions.) 

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November 02, 2013, 02:08:16 AM
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Time exists but only because we perceive it to exist.  Because we live on a schedule.  If you became god, you wouldn't need a schedule, you could visit any time, any place at the will of your mind.

Time would become an irrelevant variable.  Don't get me wrong, you can still experience time, but after the singularity, everyone leaves the lower dimensional collective reality for their own (even though we already live in our own realities).

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