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 December 03, 2013, 06:58:06 PM

Rassah: Do you believe that the equation x^2 = 2 have at least one solution?

Yes? Should be two solutions.
The positive root of that polynomial(the square root of 2) is not a rational number(Q)(do you require a proof? please say so).
So at least there exist a number that cannot be written as a quotient of two integers(Z), right?
That means, as a consequence, that there must exist another set of numbers(hint: R) which contains the numbers that are not rational.

Do you see where this is leading?

Yes, but then why can't I match that number in that infinity set with any other number, like 1, in another infinity set?

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 December 03, 2013, 08:17:00 PM

Rassah: Do you believe that the equation x^2 = 2 have at least one solution?

Yes? Should be two solutions.
The positive root of that polynomial(the square root of 2) is not a rational number(Q)(do you require a proof? please say so).
So at least there exist a number that cannot be written as a quotient of two integers(Z), right?
That means, as a consequence, that there must exist another set of numbers(hint: R) which contains the numbers that are not rational.

Do you see where this is leading?

Yes, but then why can't I match that number in that infinity set with any other number, like 1, in another infinity set?
You don't have to(and you can't infinity does not exist in the natural numbers)...
The algebraic numbers(all roots of all rational polynomials) have the same cardinality as the natural numbers(N).

This is easily(lol no!) seen by that N and N*N(all pairs of natural numbers, (0,0), (1,2), (237319313,5), ...) have the same cardinality(do you need proof?), as there exists bijective functions between them. Consider that for a moment: their is as many natural numbers as pairs of natural numbers.

we can of course repete the above to say that N ~ N*N ~ N*(N*N) ~ ...

lets now consider the following:
Given a countable family(set of sets) of countable sets A_n for n in N. The the result(B) of the union of all these sets(U A_n), is then again countable.
the proof of that is quite simple:
as every A_n is countable there exists by definition a surjective function from N onto A_n, we call that function g_n : N -> A_n.
Now because we know that N*N is countable we have a function f: N -> N*N.
We can now construct a surjection(h: N*N -> B) onto the union of the A_n's: h(a,b) = g_a(b). which is surjective. and the proof is done.

to see that the algebraic number are countable, i will just spew out some facts that you should think about:
Z(the set of all positive and negative integers) is countable.
Q(the set of all quotients between integers) also countable.
Pol_n(Q) (the set of all polynomials, that have a degree of n, with quotients in Q) is countable.
and finally a polynomial that have degree n have at most n roots.

These facts together with the above theorem about unions of countable sets, is sufficient to proof that the algebraic numbers are countable.

But then we have to consider numbers like e and pi, which are not algebraic, and are not roots in any polynomial. The set of non-algebraic/transcendent numbers, are the ones that are not countable, by the diagonal argument.

and you really really want R to not have "holes" (R is complete) of "nonexistent" numbers, for the intermediate value theorem to work...

If you denies the existence of R(and only accept the existence of algebraic numbers), you accept that there exist continuous functions that gives positive and negative values, but the equation f(x) = 0 is false for all x.

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 December 03, 2013, 08:56:21 PM

Since you obviously know and understand this a hell of a lot better than me, I sort of understand what you are saying, and defer to your judgement.

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 December 03, 2013, 10:36:28 PM

Religion still exist because people fear death.
Gods (v2.01) exist for the same reasons.
That's why the ancient gods faded away , people started to understand how this thing called Earth works.
One thing they haven't been able to explain is death , and if there is something beyond. We fear that so we need hope.

We're still a bunch of monkeys
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 December 03, 2013, 11:57:36 PM

Religion still exist because people fear death.
Gods (v2.01) exist for the same reasons.
That's why the ancient gods faded away , people started to understand how this thing called Earth works.
One thing they haven't been able to explain is death , and if there is something beyond. We fear that so we need hope.

We're still a bunch of monkeys

I think most people do not really fear death.  They live in the moment and do not even think about the afterlife at all.  They basically pretend that they are not going to die and live life accordingly.

I think that a wise person considers the thought that there might be something more than just what we see in the physical world.  Eternity has been put into the hearts of man.  The idea that we even think about eternity should speak to us and give us the thought that there is more then just this physical life we are living now.

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 December 03, 2013, 11:59:31 PM

Religion still exist because people fear death.
Gods (v2.01) exist for the same reasons.
That's why the ancient gods faded away , people started to understand how this thing called Earth works.
One thing they haven't been able to explain is death , and if there is something beyond. We fear that so we need hope.

We're still a bunch of monkeys

I think most people do not really fear death.  They live in the moment and do not even think about the afterlife at all.  They basically pretend that they are not going to die and live life accordingly.

I think that a wise person considers the thought that there might be something more than just what we see in the physical world.  Eternity has been put into the hearts of man.  The idea that we even think about eternity should speak to us and give us the thought that there is more then just this physical life we are living now.

Yeah , that's why most people run like rabbits or jump into a garbage bin at the sound of a gunshot.
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 December 04, 2013, 02:31:08 AM

Just remembered this: http://newsfeed.time.com/2012/11/30/unicorns-existence-proven-says-north-korea/

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 December 04, 2013, 03:12:38 AM

Religion still exist because people fear death.
Gods (v2.01) exist for the same reasons.
That's why the ancient gods faded away , people started to understand how this thing called Earth works.
One thing they haven't been able to explain is death , and if there is something beyond. We fear that so we need hope.

We're still a bunch of monkeys

I think most people do not really fear death.  They live in the moment and do not even think about the afterlife at all.  They basically pretend that they are not going to die and live life accordingly.

I think that a wise person considers the thought that there might be something more than just what we see in the physical world.  Eternity has been put into the hearts of man.  The idea that we even think about eternity should speak to us and give us the thought that there is more then just this physical life we are living now.

Yeah , that's why most people run like rabbits or jump into a garbage bin at the sound of a gunshot.

If they think they are about to die within the very near future, then sure.  But most people wander though life without giving their death much thought.  Maybe they will write a will, set up a trust fund for their heirs and select a burial spot but even this is done when people are much older and actually thinking about what is to come.  But most people in their 20's and 30's and even 40's live life without much care about the afterlife and are not really "afraid" of it on a daily basis.  They just don't think about it.

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 December 04, 2013, 06:53:51 AM

Since you obviously know and understand this a hell of a lot better than me, I sort of understand what you are saying, and defer to your judgement.
yeah i understand this a hell lot better than you, but it was you who asked the question: "why can't I match that number in that infinity set with any other number, like 1, in another infinity set?" and im trying to explain.

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Niothor

 December 04, 2013, 12:03:10 PM

He had an unicorn ? , based on their propaganda I thought they could make him ride a dragon at least.
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 December 04, 2013, 12:05:24 PM

Religion still exist because people fear death.
Gods (v2.01) exist for the same reasons.
That's why the ancient gods faded away , people started to understand how this thing called Earth works.
One thing they haven't been able to explain is death , and if there is something beyond. We fear that so we need hope.

We're still a bunch of monkeys

I think most people do not really fear death.  They live in the moment and do not even think about the afterlife at all.  They basically pretend that they are not going to die and live life accordingly.

I think that a wise person considers the thought that there might be something more than just what we see in the physical world.  Eternity has been put into the hearts of man.  The idea that we even think about eternity should speak to us and give us the thought that there is more then just this physical life we are living now.

Yeah , that's why most people run like rabbits or jump into a garbage bin at the sound of a gunshot.

If they think they are about to die within the very near future, then sure.  But most people wander though life without giving their death much thought.  Maybe they will write a will, set up a trust fund for their heirs and select a burial spot but even this is done when people are much older and actually thinking about what is to come.  But most people in their 20's and 30's and even 40's live life without much care about the afterlife and are not really "afraid" of it on a daily basis.  They just don't think about it.

Well , not thinking about it's not the same as not being afraid of it.
It's like at an exam when you know there are only 5 minutes left and you try desperately to find the answers.
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 December 04, 2013, 02:39:48 PM

God is ours heads and hearths ... We cannont prove if he exist or not..

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Niothor

 December 04, 2013, 03:17:25 PM

God is ours heads and hearths ... We cannont prove if he exist or not..

Maybe in yours, I got a brain in my head.
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 December 04, 2013, 03:22:47 PM

God is ours heads and hearths ... We cannont prove if he exist or not..

Maybe in yours, I got a brain in my head.
He was trolling :p
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 December 04, 2013, 03:45:18 PM

God is ours heads and hearths ... We cannont prove if he exist or not..

Maybe in yours, I got a brain in my head.
He was trolling :p

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 December 04, 2013, 05:54:30 PM

Since you obviously know and understand this a hell of a lot better than me, I sort of understand what you are saying, and defer to your judgement.
yeah i understand this a hell lot better than you, but it was you who asked the question: "why can't I match that number in that infinity set with any other number, like 1, in another infinity set?" and im trying to explain.

And I sort of understood, and for what I didn't, will just assume you are right

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 December 04, 2013, 06:01:25 PM

As I expected. *I've read title of topic, looked on post count*... yop, war. From AGES faith is a good reason to war. Not only internet war...

Stop saying that God exists or it don't. Everyone on this planet have own opinion about that. If someone is physicist or some kind of scientist in that way, it's almost absolutely sure that is an atheist. Because we have proofs on that how appeared earth, sun, animals, plants etc.

Christians and other of thousand religions have their own God. But only 'our' is true... no.

Religion, faith, God, Jesus are for release strenght of our mind. That's the reason of bilions people to live, their meaning. So if you don't need God to live - be happy but don't say anybody that he don't exist. Try to say your two years old kid that there's no Santa and watch what happens. Now have on thought that 3/4 world have guns and atomic weapon. Try to say them that they God don't exist. Straight in face.

I'm an atheist.

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 December 04, 2013, 07:05:06 PM

I think you are mistaken that religions worship a different god.

Different religions each claim this.  He is not mistaken in relaying their claims.
http://www.religionfacts.com/big_religion_chart.htm

Your assertion seems to be that the religions are wrong about what they believe and instead that you know what they believe better than they do?
People may think their god is separate from other gods, but this is not the case.  All gods are equal, all gods are one.  All gods are god.

The true nature of god in it's purest form is a singular point of infinite energy, light and love.  I have seen god with my own eyes.  I have spoken to god with my own mind.

I know this argument has already been discussed in this thread, but unicorns are real.  If you can think of it, it exists somewhere in an infinite universe, keyword infinite.  Everything exists everywhere.

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 December 05, 2013, 01:42:58 PM

Try to say your two years old kid that there's no Santa and watch what happens.

Why do people lie to their kids about Santa in the first place, knowing that it will just cause major disappointment and possible trust issues later.
And why is it that when they are told that, while one guy with superpowers who can see everything you do and sits in judgment of you is fake, the other one is still real?

Also, wait, wouldn't Santa be one of dank's gods, too?

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 December 05, 2013, 03:18:17 PM

Also, wait, wouldn't Santa be one of dank's gods, too?

According to Dank, we all have our own realities. If so, then there are no truths, and making assertions, as Dank continues to do, contradicts his premise.

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