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December 05, 2013, 03:31:57 PM
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Try to say your two years old kid that there's no Santa and watch what happens.

Why do people lie to their kids about Santa in the first place, knowing that it will just cause major disappointment and possible trust issues later.
And why is it that when they are told that, while one guy with superpowers who can see everything you do and sits in judgment of you is fake, the other one is still real?

Also, wait, wouldn't Santa be one of dank's gods, too?

Wasn't Saint Nicholas greek  > christian ? 
Bringing dank into the equation.. I'm not going that far.
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December 05, 2013, 07:09:54 PM
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Believe me on this one, computer scientists are wrong!!!  Undecided
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December 05, 2013, 08:19:28 PM
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Also, wait, wouldn't Santa be one of dank's gods, too?

According to Dank, we all have our own realities. If so, then there are no truths, and making assertions, as Dank continues to do, contradicts his premise.
How'd you draw that conclusion?  There is universal truth, everything happened a certain way to make things how they are today.

And yes, Rassah, Santa exists.  Maybe not on earth at the moment, but he exists.

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December 05, 2013, 08:59:33 PM
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Maybe not on earth at the moment, but he exists.

When the man comes around!
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December 05, 2013, 09:28:52 PM
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How'd you draw that conclusion?  There is universal truth, everything happened a certain way to make things how they are today.

How are these truths unified, if not through reality?

Also, how many, and what are, the universal truths according to Dank?

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December 05, 2013, 10:53:41 PM
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How'd you draw that conclusion?  There is universal truth, everything happened a certain way to make things how they are today.

How are these truths unified, if not through reality?

Also, how many, and what are, the universal truths according to Dank?
Each person has their own reality, so each person has truths subject to their beliefs.  Though, universally, we live in a collective reality that is subject to all our beliefs.  Universal truth is the state of existence as perceived by the collective reality or individual reality, it's just how things were.  To go further, universal truth is what compiles our universe in it's truest nature, how it just is.

Infinite truths make up the universal truth, commonly known as god.

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December 05, 2013, 11:27:48 PM
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December 05, 2013, 11:32:37 PM
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And were we suppose to believe that?
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December 05, 2013, 11:39:30 PM
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Everything Dank says is a lie.  That's why he has a scammer tag and such a low trust rating.

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December 06, 2013, 12:27:23 AM
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Everything Dank says is a lie.  That's why he has a scammer tag and such a low trust rating.
Excellent articulation my friends.

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December 06, 2013, 12:31:30 AM
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Excellent articulation my friends.
You know unicorns have no articulation and no friend.
Unless you're a fraud? Shocked

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December 06, 2013, 01:32:21 AM
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You're speaking in negatives.

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December 06, 2013, 02:22:05 PM
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Isn't "subjective truth" called "an opinion?"

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December 06, 2013, 02:46:09 PM
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And?  It is better referred to as a belief.

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December 06, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
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And?  It is better referred to as a belief.

A belief is not a truth, though, since truth is objective. Unless you're just using words to mean whatever you want them to mean (like Big Brother in 1984)

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December 06, 2013, 03:45:24 PM
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Isn't "subjective truth" called "an opinion?"

The problem is that anything you would call 'objective' is still filtered through a subjective lens.  This is inescapable.  It's impossible to say objectivity exists independent of subjectivity because subjectivity is required to acknowledge that which is objective.  We simply don't have the luxury of asserting what reality would be like if we stripped away its subjective components.  You can't strip away a CPU from a desktop and still call it a working model of a computer.  Similarly, you can't strip away subjectivity and call what remains a working model of reality.  It's a necessary component of reality, and it's a logical impossibility to assert what a reality absent of subjectivity would be like because you have to communicate from a subjective reference point to do so!


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December 06, 2013, 04:28:17 PM
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Isn't "subjective truth" called "an opinion?"

The problem is that anything you would call 'objective' is still filtered through a subjective lens.  This is inescapable.  It's impossible to say objectivity exists independent of subjectivity because subjectivity is required to acknowledge that which is objective.  We simply don't have the luxury of asserting what reality would be like if we stripped away its subjective components.  You can't strip away a CPU from a desktop and still call it a working model of a computer.  Similarly, you can't strip away subjectivity and call what remains a working model of reality.  It's a necessary component of reality, and it's a logical impossibility to assert what a reality absent of subjectivity would be like because you have to communicate from a subjective reference point to do so!

If I walk into a wall, I will bump my head on it regardless of what I believe about it. So, agree to disagree. You can't conviince me, and I can't convince you, because we just have two completely different ways of looking at the world.

Though I do think that encouraging the thought that "everything is just a part of our imagination" is rather dangerous.

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December 06, 2013, 05:42:12 PM
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Isn't "subjective truth" called "an opinion?"

The problem is that anything you would call 'objective' is still filtered through a subjective lens.  This is inescapable.  It's impossible to say objectivity exists independent of subjectivity because subjectivity is required to acknowledge that which is objective.  We simply don't have the luxury of asserting what reality would be like if we stripped away its subjective components.  You can't strip away a CPU from a desktop and still call it a working model of a computer.  Similarly, you can't strip away subjectivity and call what remains a working model of reality.  It's a necessary component of reality, and it's a logical impossibility to assert what a reality absent of subjectivity would be like because you have to communicate from a subjective reference point to do so!

If I walk into a wall, I will bump my head on it regardless of what I believe about it. So, agree to disagree. You can't conviince me, and I can't convince you, because we just have two completely different ways of looking at the world.

Though I do think that encouraging the thought that "everything is just a part of our imagination" is rather dangerous.

Exactly.  We have two different ways of looking at and interpreting information.  That is exactly why objective information cannot be absolutely independent of subjectivity.

If you walk into what you believe is a wall and you believe that you bump what you think is your head, then you have subjectively defined some real information.  That's what subjectivity does.  You learn about the world by forming a series of abstract categorical relationships about it.  This literally defines the way reality appears to you.  There is no wall for you to bump your nonexistent head upon unless categorical relationships exist between concepts such as "head" and "wall" and "you.". Without subjectivity, all that objective information is rendered completely unintelligible and is therefore meaningless.  Thus, you can't say what reality would be like without subjectivity because you would need to use meaningful words to describe a reality totally absent of meaning.  You can't say "well there would still be planets and stars and space without any subjectivity" because words like stars and planets and space are meaningful and are defined subjectively.

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December 06, 2013, 05:47:42 PM
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And?  It is better referred to as a belief.

A belief is not a truth, though, since truth is objective. Unless you're just using words to mean whatever you want them to mean (like Big Brother in 1984)

I'd also like to point out that in attempting to make a truthful, objective statement about the nature of subjectivity you demonstrate why the two can't be mutually exclusive. If they were, then it would be impossible to make any objective statement about the nature of subjectivity.

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December 06, 2013, 08:48:28 PM
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And?  It is better referred to as a belief.

A belief is not a truth, though, since truth is objective. Unless you're just using words to mean whatever you want them to mean (like Big Brother in 1984)
Whatever you believe is true.

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