Network Attack on XVG / VERGE

[MiCoSa]

Summary for this whole xvg shitshow from me is this:

The best thing we can do is start ignoring this shitcoin. All they have left is hate attention. They have no new tech, promised partnership of the century became just payment option for porn (lol) , they have been hacked twice eventhough they were alarmed after first hack and also adviced how to fix the bug in code.Lead dev lied many times about delivering roadmap features, some of them undelivered since June 2017, lead dev lied about spending donated millions $ from comunity on Ledger integration...etc etc.
Just let it die. Bad marketing is also marketing. So lets just ignore xvg and dont waste time on such shit to feed their grow by our hate.

Would be a great thing, if the haters could just ignore it. I always wonder, if there is nothing constructive you guys could do with all that time wasting spreading hate and FUD...

We will see if it will die then.

Except everything I stated as describing verge project are facts not FUD.And I rather not start talking about that Wraith thing... Good bye

so....pornhub is looking at Vice Industry Token.

https://ethereumworldnews.com/pornhub-cheating-xvg-vit/

I need to get some more popcorn....

After reading that I'm going to go buy some Vit. I'm serious.

Maybe not a bad decision.

[1715279423]

1715279423

[siege3967]

Modestly I think that the tokens destined to pornhub would have been better used dedicating them to the security and improvement of XVG

The tokens are a standard erc20 token, not hard to mess up.

[siege3967]

Summary for this whole xvg shitshow from me is this:

The best thing we can do is start ignoring this shitcoin. All they have left is hate attention. They have no new tech, promised partnership of the century became just payment option for porn (lol) , they have been hacked twice eventhough they were alarmed after first hack and also adviced how to fix the bug in code.Lead dev lied many times about delivering roadmap features, some of them undelivered since June 2017, lead dev lied about spending donated millions $ from comunity on Ledger integration...etc etc.
Just let it die. Bad marketing is also marketing. So lets just ignore xvg and dont waste time on such shit to feed their grow by our hate.

Would be a great thing, if the haters could just ignore it. I always wonder, if there is nothing constructive you guys could do with all that time wasting spreading hate and FUD...

We will see if it will die then.

Except everything I stated as describing verge project are facts not FUD.And I rather not start talking about that Wraith thing... Good bye

so....pornhub is looking at Vice Industry Token.

https://ethereumworldnews.com/pornhub-cheating-xvg-vit/

I need to get some more popcorn....

After reading that I'm going to go buy some Vit. I'm serious.

Maybe not a bad decision.

Hey dude what do you think about the fact that the new XVG miner advertised by the XVG team and the new, soon to be released XVG wallets are both closed source?

[Children of Gaia]

How did you proof anything? This dev and his team has created a coin with a marketcap of about 600,000,000.00$. I am quite sure he should take some help at some point. But you dont do that with only copy and paste. And as already mentioned, it is so ridiculous, that the XSH-guys complain about copying, after they copied the complete verge project... Did he take that part of code from XVG? Yes he did. Whats the problem? Why reinvent the wheel? It is all open source, anyone copies from anyone, and if some idiots would not be so bullheaded, they would better work together, as fight against each other.

XSH forked XVG code to start it's own and XSH developers never hide it or call it's XSH code. Also XSH developers many times thanked XVG developers for this (I really don't know for what they thanked, cause there is no original work in this code, just copy-paste from DigiByte, Bytecoin etc).
But verge developer copied XSH code and said that it's his work, that's why I say that XVG is a crap. Your blindness is on the verge (lol) of stupidity.

I really can imagine you guy. Never made something in your life, maybe living at mom's home with 40+, but the whole day spread FUD, hate and nonsense about other people, likely because you are jealous.

Better imagine how your invesments are going to zero value. I'm pretty sure, it's the only reason that you are denying the facts about incompetence of XVG developer.

And please keep @ocminer out of this discussion. Although at some time his and verges dev discussion was a bit overheated, he did only post constructive and eligible criticism. You haven't done that even once.

You see only what you want to see. Once I did it with the proofs, but you prefer to not to see, lol. Cause it hurt your delicate butt.

It is hard when someone tells a token a scam or whatever without any reason, isn't it?

You hypocritical piece of XVG, you called coin in my singature as scam only to touch me.   I never said that XVG is scam, I said that verge developer copy-pasted XSH code and claim it's his own work, and this is true.

Continue with the same spirit, little sock puppet. You will get rekt soon with verge and you deserve it.  

[MiCoSa]

How did you proof anything? This dev and his team has created a coin with a marketcap of about 600,000,000.00$. I am quite sure he should take some help at some point. But you dont do that with only copy and paste. And as already mentioned, it is so ridiculous, that the XSH-guys complain about copying, after they copied the complete verge project... Did he take that part of code from XVG? Yes he did. Whats the problem? Why reinvent the wheel? It is all open source, anyone copies from anyone, and if some idiots would not be so bullheaded, they would better work together, as fight against each other.

XSH forked XVG code to start it's own and XSH developers never hide it or call it's XSH code. Also XSH developers many times thanked XVG developers for this (I really don't know for what they thanked, cause there is no original work in this code, just copy-paste from DigiByte, Bytecoin etc).
But verge developer copied XSH code and said that it's his work, that's why I say that XVG is a crap. Your blindness is on the verge (lol) of stupidity.

I really can imagine you guy. Never made something in your life, maybe living at mom's home with 40+, but the whole day spread FUD, hate and nonsense about other people, likely because you are jealous.

Better imagine how your invesments are going to zero value. I'm pretty sure, it's the only reason that you are denying the facts about incompetence of XVG developer.

And please keep @ocminer out of this discussion. Although at some time his and verges dev discussion was a bit overheated, he did only post constructive and eligible criticism. You haven't done that even once.

You see only what you want to see. Once I did it with the proofs, but you prefer to not to see, lol. Cause it hurt your delicate butt.

It is hard when someone tells a token a scam or whatever without any reason, isn't it?

You hypocritical piece of XVG, you called coin in my singature as scam only to touch me.   I never said that XVG is scam, I said that verge developer copy-pasted XSH code and claim it's his own work, and this is true.

Continue with the same spirit, little sock puppet. You will get rekt soon with verge and you deserve it.  

If you would have read the thread, you would know, that i am not invested with much money in Verge. So even if Verge would go to zero tomorrow, it would not be a financial loss for me. I did not even buy the coins but mined them end of last year. It is about 60k Verge, so nothing i would matter about, even if i would lose them.

I am not stupid and invest all my money in one coin, and even if i would do that, this coin would definitely not be verge, as there are, in my opinion, better coins out there.

Anyway, the blind hate toward Verge that some guys unveil here (you are one of them) is kind of pathetic and i can only explain that with a more or less distinct mental disease.

The problem is, discussing with such guys in a constructive way is not possible. You still do not understand that you guys are decelerating the acceptance of the whole crypto community with your shitstorms.

Again, did he copy the code from XSH? He did. Did XSH copy the complete Code base from Verge before? They did. We can now go on and discussing ten years about that nonsense, but i am not in the mood for that. Discussing with you guys is senseless.

So i am out here now. Only learning-disabled children around here.

I could tell my message. You guys did show what kind of persons you are. So people that come here will know, it is better to do some own research and not to listen only to some guys like you.

For that people interested in real news, i have this article:

https://theicojournal.com/exclusive-verge-hacks-causing-mindgeek-pornhub-uncomfortable-conversations/

In my opinion, this is a real good article, that shows, that Verge team made a lot of faults and that they have to do their work now. If they do, they can maybe be really big sometime. If they do not and there will be another exploit, they will get in big big trouble. Really good article, without any hate or FUD but with facts and constructive criticism...

[sandsunsurf]

@MiCoSa, the reason I have an ax to grind here is because of the blatant lies spread by Justin trying to discredit XSH.  For me, this is about principle.  Do I want Verge to fail? No.  But I do not want to reward Justin and the XVG team for being dishonest. There's now another perspective that is kind of deep:  If XVG devs ~really~ did pull the code for the fix that they allege XSH copied, then they LET the second hack occur.  Either way, the dishonesty discredits XVG and worse, it taints all cryptos because people new to the crypto ideas and community will see fraudulent activities by coin devs, creating distrust for all cryptos.  

To use an old line from the courtroom, I'd like to ask Justin:  Where you lying then, or are you lying now?

[MiCoSa]

@MiCoSa, the reason I have an ax to grind here is because of the blatant lies spread by Justin trying to discredit XSH.  For me, this is about principle.  Do I want Verge to fail? No.  But I do not want to reward Justin and the XVG team for being dishonest. There's now another perspective that is kind of deep:  If XVG devs ~really~ did pull the code for the fix that they allege XSH copied, then they LET the second hack occur.  Either way, the dishonesty discredits XVG and worse, it taints all cryptos because people new to the crypto ideas and community will see fraudulent activities by coin devs, creating distrust for all cryptos.  

To use an old line from the courtroom, I'd like to ask Justin:  Where you lying then, or are you lying now?

Hey sandsunsurf, i can understand what you wrote and i think you are right with that. A few days ago i told a friend, they defenitley need to get some more devs to their team, and they should take away Justin from publicity. He is not the guy, that should give interviews or what ever. They ever had a good marketing team, and they should do that.

And yes, Justin should start learning now, that he does not help anyone, neither Verge nor Crypto or himself, if he obviously lies about the things ho does. And if i remember right, i read somewhere these days, that a verge team member said, he took the code from XSH. And yes, it would have been better Justin would have just said, i took it from them. But meanwhile, what ever he says, what ever he does, these idiots has nothing better to do as take everything and drag Justin and verge to the mud.

Take the thing with halving. It is in the code for years... Now everyone uses this bullshit to fire up their hate-campaigns. Ridiculous...

But hey, because of that stupid, childish nonsense, i have to put up with guys wishing me financial ruin. As mentioned, it would not ruin me at all if Verge would fail tomorrow. But do these idiots consider that there are 600,000,000.00$ invested in Verge. A lot of people maybe have a lot of money invested in Verge. And they want to fail Verge and make all this people losing money, just because the verge dev does not have the best manners? Sorry, i do not accept such stupid nonsense. As i said, i think these guys lost some money, maybe because they were stupid enough to think the partner would be amazon or ebay or what ever. And i didnt like that verge team did not do anything to stop those ridiculous rumors. But in the end, the people that really thought these rumors would be true, there is no more way to help these guys i think...

And unfortunately these guys "hating" around here, are on an ethical level i can not accept anymore. They insult people they dont even know, they wish me to lose all my money. What is that here? Some kind of war? So i had to tell these guys at some point, going down to their ethical level, that they are the greatest idiots around and that they dont even understand the damage they are causing...

You are definitely right, when you say, that it will also cause damage to whole crypto, when devs are lying about the things they do. I absolutely agree with that.

[CHIEF56]

Stats on XVG Blake2s algo / pools seem off to me.. I have suspicion about it.

This address seems odd:

https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D6boDuZ9vWbKRhMBrUdZBYSdZWaiGuWgAk

Anyone else noticing anything?

[CHIEF56]

Stats on XVG Blake2s algo / pools seem off to me.. I have suspicion about it.

This address seems odd:

https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D6boDuZ9vWbKRhMBrUdZBYSdZWaiGuWgAk

Anyone else noticing anything?

In reference to that address, not only are timestamps off:

27th May 2018 22:24:23   fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:21:07   4f1708d752cef36c271e3727e09bf7678c181345769d5bcc2d7ba21f77467a44   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:10:55   2a3cad4d2597b70e1b41df8027974a51e3bd843b2355b6dbe040143310e18e5f   - 5840.00000000
28th May 2018 00:08:03   9a6002a8f7fc5ae325e15bcdaee741b7b7369d1a615adcccb3931edcd3334ec3   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:06:25   b9bae79752705754ba3d0fb05d9a52c8cb69f14e3c4d3db8bee322e439bc3dad   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:01:54   b2254be8f636ec485e96d1725f54fd5214d13e367d020331f43e6d57b7b97588   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:00:27   3e0f43d718f66fd4e9dc52e4b954e04a39bc0742a60d0dee9ba65120864c9ba1   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:45:23   4cd349f5fc5291bc19ed8f39faf7470d75ca62c80d4d24d97e12cff0906ce39b   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:15:57   7b10df301fac1373d930f0fd38a41effc92659d826ef80f67814d738bcffc5fa   + 730.00000000
27th May 2018 23:06:51   fb4bf2174e862920670f63eb0eb32b94b32a05a6b151a3f88c6601e23bc9f7b6   + 733.00000000


But, can anyone tell me anything about these transactions? e.g.

https://verge-blockchain.info/tx/fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4

Error! : Block not found: undefined

And, the transactions doesn't seem to exist on other explorers


-C

[MiCoSa]

Summary for this whole xvg shitshow from me is this:

The best thing we can do is start ignoring this shitcoin. All they have left is hate attention. They have no new tech, promised partnership of the century became just payment option for porn (lol) , they have been hacked twice eventhough they were alarmed after first hack and also adviced how to fix the bug in code.Lead dev lied many times about delivering roadmap features, some of them undelivered since June 2017, lead dev lied about spending donated millions $ from comunity on Ledger integration...etc etc.
Just let it die. Bad marketing is also marketing. So lets just ignore xvg and dont waste time on such shit to feed their grow by our hate.

Would be a great thing, if the haters could just ignore it. I always wonder, if there is nothing constructive you guys could do with all that time wasting spreading hate and FUD...

We will see if it will die then.

Except everything I stated as describing verge project are facts not FUD.And I rather not start talking about that Wraith thing... Good bye

so....pornhub is looking at Vice Industry Token.

https://ethereumworldnews.com/pornhub-cheating-xvg-vit/

I need to get some more popcorn....

After reading that I'm going to go buy some Vit. I'm serious.

Maybe not a bad decision.

Hey dude what do you think about the fact that the new XVG miner advertised by the XVG team and the new, soon to be released XVG wallets are both closed source?

Did not hear about that so far, so right now, i can’t say anything about that. Do you have a source?

[jorj_pay_UZ]

2 times already the network was laid by the craftsmen. I personally sold everything after the first hacking. How can I trust a network that can be hacked? Imho, never buy a verge, the trust is lost.I convey greetings to all the holders)

[MiCoSa]

Stats on XVG Blake2s algo / pools seem off to me.. I have suspicion about it.

This address seems odd:

https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D6boDuZ9vWbKRhMBrUdZBYSdZWaiGuWgAk

Anyone else noticing anything?

In reference to that address, not only are timestamps off:

27th May 2018 22:24:23   fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:21:07   4f1708d752cef36c271e3727e09bf7678c181345769d5bcc2d7ba21f77467a44   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:10:55   2a3cad4d2597b70e1b41df8027974a51e3bd843b2355b6dbe040143310e18e5f   - 5840.00000000
28th May 2018 00:08:03   9a6002a8f7fc5ae325e15bcdaee741b7b7369d1a615adcccb3931edcd3334ec3   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:06:25   b9bae79752705754ba3d0fb05d9a52c8cb69f14e3c4d3db8bee322e439bc3dad   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:01:54   b2254be8f636ec485e96d1725f54fd5214d13e367d020331f43e6d57b7b97588   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:00:27   3e0f43d718f66fd4e9dc52e4b954e04a39bc0742a60d0dee9ba65120864c9ba1   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:45:23   4cd349f5fc5291bc19ed8f39faf7470d75ca62c80d4d24d97e12cff0906ce39b   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:15:57   7b10df301fac1373d930f0fd38a41effc92659d826ef80f67814d738bcffc5fa   + 730.00000000
27th May 2018 23:06:51   fb4bf2174e862920670f63eb0eb32b94b32a05a6b151a3f88c6601e23bc9f7b6   + 733.00000000


But, can anyone tell me anything about these transactions? e.g.

https://verge-blockchain.info/tx/fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4

Error! : Block not found: undefined

And, the transactions doesn't seem to exist on other explorers


-C

Hm, it looks like a pool address for me. If i look at this withdrawal transaction, there are a lot of recepients. So looks like the payout of a pool?

But this last transaction you mentioned is kind of weird... Thats true...

[CHIEF56]

Is there anything about this coin that works? Honest question. Doesn't seem like it to me.

Not sure how anyone like CoinPayments and MindGeek can use this. Completely broken IMHO

[siege3967]

Stats on XVG Blake2s algo / pools seem off to me.. I have suspicion about it.

This address seems odd:

https://verge-blockchain.info/address/D6boDuZ9vWbKRhMBrUdZBYSdZWaiGuWgAk

Anyone else noticing anything?

In reference to that address, not only are timestamps off:

27th May 2018 22:24:23   fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:21:07   4f1708d752cef36c271e3727e09bf7678c181345769d5bcc2d7ba21f77467a44   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:10:55   2a3cad4d2597b70e1b41df8027974a51e3bd843b2355b6dbe040143310e18e5f   - 5840.00000000
28th May 2018 00:08:03   9a6002a8f7fc5ae325e15bcdaee741b7b7369d1a615adcccb3931edcd3334ec3   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:06:25   b9bae79752705754ba3d0fb05d9a52c8cb69f14e3c4d3db8bee322e439bc3dad   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:01:54   b2254be8f636ec485e96d1725f54fd5214d13e367d020331f43e6d57b7b97588   + 730.00000000
28th May 2018 00:00:27   3e0f43d718f66fd4e9dc52e4b954e04a39bc0742a60d0dee9ba65120864c9ba1   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:45:23   4cd349f5fc5291bc19ed8f39faf7470d75ca62c80d4d24d97e12cff0906ce39b   + 730.10000000
27th May 2018 23:15:57   7b10df301fac1373d930f0fd38a41effc92659d826ef80f67814d738bcffc5fa   + 730.00000000
27th May 2018 23:06:51   fb4bf2174e862920670f63eb0eb32b94b32a05a6b151a3f88c6601e23bc9f7b6   + 733.00000000


But, can anyone tell me anything about these transactions? e.g.

https://verge-blockchain.info/tx/fb2d402e64099839d114ad25b252e4d2b22ba14f6ab19c82bf984127e840b1e4

Error! : Block not found: undefined

And, the transactions doesn't seem to exist on other explorers


-C

Wtf, why's it not on other explorers? That's really fishy. Something to do with double spend maybe?

[Mr.Pro]

Is there anything about this coin that works? Honest question. Doesn't seem like it to me.

Not sure how anyone like CoinPayments and MindGeek can use this. Completely broken IMHO

Yeh, when they finally have a partner where they can actually use their coin then this happened but i am wondering while the system is failing why did bitfinex started accepting deposits.
http://blog.bitfinex.com/announcements/bitfinex-launches-verge-xvg-trading/

[buzzkillb]

How did you proof anything? This dev and his team has created a coin with a marketcap of about 600,000,000.00$. I am quite sure he should take some help at some point. But you dont do that with only copy and paste. And as already mentioned, it is so ridiculous, that the XSH-guys complain about copying, after they copied the complete verge project... Did he take that part of code from XVG? Yes he did. Whats the problem? Why reinvent the wheel? It is all open source, anyone copies from anyone, and if some idiots would not be so bullheaded, they would better work together, as fight against each other.

XSH forked XVG code to start it's own and XSH developers never hide it or call it's XSH code. Also XSH developers many times thanked XVG developers for this (I really don't know for what they thanked, cause there is no original work in this code, just copy-paste from DigiByte, Bytecoin etc).
But verge developer copied XSH code and said that it's his work, that's why I say that XVG is a crap. Your blindness is on the verge (lol) of stupidity.

I really can imagine you guy. Never made something in your life, maybe living at mom's home with 40+, but the whole day spread FUD, hate and nonsense about other people, likely because you are jealous.

Better imagine how your invesments are going to zero value. I'm pretty sure, it's the only reason that you are denying the facts about incompetence of XVG developer.

And please keep @ocminer out of this discussion. Although at some time his and verges dev discussion was a bit overheated, he did only post constructive and eligible criticism. You haven't done that even once.

You see only what you want to see. Once I did it with the proofs, but you prefer to not to see, lol. Cause it hurt your delicate butt.

It is hard when someone tells a token a scam or whatever without any reason, isn't it?

You hypocritical piece of XVG, you called coin in my singature as scam only to touch me.   I never said that XVG is scam, I said that verge developer copy-pasted XSH code and claim it's his own work, and this is true.

Continue with the same spirit, little sock puppet. You will get rekt soon with verge and you deserve it.  

You could check out this reddit post which has a breakdown. https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/8mmi6p/verge_gets_51_attacked_so_hard_that_they_steal/

And can't forget this little image from way back as they attacked Shield.

[sandsunsurf]

But hey, because of that stupid, childish nonsense, i have to put up with guys wishing me financial ruin. As mentioned, it would not ruin me at all if Verge would fail tomorrow. But do these idiots consider that there are 600,000,000.00$ invested in Verge. A lot of people maybe have a lot of money invested in Verge. And they want to fail Verge and make all this people losing money, just because the verge dev does not have the best manners? Sorry, i do not accept such stupid nonsense. As i said, i think these guys lost some money, maybe because they were stupid enough to think the partner would be amazon or ebay or what ever. And i didnt like that verge team did not do anything to stop those ridiculous rumors. But in the end, the people that really thought these rumors would be true, there is no more way to help these guys i think...

Spot on.  This is a big beef of mine- why should anyone in cryptos wish financial loss on another person in crypto?  Do I want coins and devs to be honest? Yes.  Do I want scammers to succeed? No.  But I do not want a reasonable coin to fail and cause huge losses for hodlers. 

Justin is pushing his luck with his leadership style for XVG, so I will suggest to most hodlers that they sell XVG, and if you're not in XVG don't buy.  We've all bought or mined some shitcoins, and we know that cryptos are a risk. 

As I've posted, I cut most of my risk from XVG after the wraith failure to launch.  Then last month I was silly and bought another 11,000 hoping for a big partner, and then...  but you know, I knew there was risk, and I took it. Now, it's a risk to trust Justin and I'm not going to do that again.

[BitPotus]

wow.

some people are either absolutely brainwashed and deserve to get REKT

or they are blatant sock puppets for the XVG dev/team....

 

If you really want to support "adult oriented" coins, you should look into

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/spankchain/

https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/vice-industry-token/

[bitwookie]

Well after reading this, its plain obvious XVG are copying XSH -SHIELDS code. Just sold my XVG bag and i'm switching to XSH

XVG Scammers

https://steemit.com/cryptocurrency/@methoncrypto/verge-gets-51-attacked-so-hard-that-they-steal-shield-s-code-and-lie-about-it

[boxalex]

But hey, because of that stupid, childish nonsense, i have to put up with guys wishing me financial ruin. As mentioned, it would not ruin me at all if Verge would fail tomorrow. But do these idiots consider that there are 600,000,000.00$ invested in Verge. A lot of people maybe have a lot of money invested in Verge. And they want to fail Verge and make all this people losing money, just because the verge dev does not have the best manners? Sorry, i do not accept such stupid nonsense. As i said, i think these guys lost some money, maybe because they were stupid enough to think the partner would be amazon or ebay or what ever. And i didnt like that verge team did not do anything to stop those ridiculous rumors. But in the end, the people that really thought these rumors would be true, there is no more way to help these guys i think...

Spot on.  This is a big beef of mine- why should anyone in cryptos wish financial loss on another person in crypto?  Do I want coins and devs to be honest? Yes.  Do I want scammers to succeed? No.  But I do not want a reasonable coin to fail and cause huge losses for hodlers. 

Justin is pushing his luck with his leadership style for XVG, so I will suggest to most hodlers that they sell XVG, and if you're not in XVG don't buy.  We've all bought or mined some shitcoins, and we know that cryptos are a risk. 

As I've posted, I cut most of my risk from XVG after the wraith failure to launch.  Then last month I was silly and bought another 11,000 hoping for a big partner, and then...  but you know, I knew there was risk, and I took it. Now, it's a risk to trust Justin and I'm not going to do that again.

+1, very good said.

And just there are XVG hoddlers that still believe that their coin will moon to US$1 - 100 doesn't mean that flaws, unethical behaviour, suspicious things, bugs, lies, hacks shouldn't be adressed.

Seriously bevor that partnership i as well holded about 200k XVG as it seemed to be a good coin with potential. But after digging deeper, bein more critical and comparing to other projects that don't tempted to lies und hype i realized that this project with a copy&paste dev on top isn't worth the risk, easy as that.

By now everything is shaddy on this Verge project. I personally even have my doubts that the crowdfund was used for the mega hyper ultra deal with mindgeek/pornhub which doesn't make sense, but that's another story....