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April 17, 2014, 11:52:08 AM
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So , they are just sent on a work camp in another country.
I wonder if they have the rights to leave the city they are deployed to Smiley

No. They don't have any such relocation rights. They are mostly deployed in the poorer neighborhoods. They can't relocate themselves to the posh localities and earn more money.

I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.
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April 17, 2014, 12:15:36 PM
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I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.

If they are thinking about fleeing the country, then they chose the wrong place. It is much more difficult to travel from Caracas to the US, when compared to Havana to the US. If they are thinking about getting fake / stolen passports and then traveling with them, then I don't think that Venezuela is the right place. An option would be to travel to Brazil by road / river and get to the US from there.


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April 17, 2014, 12:54:42 PM
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I'm pretty sure that none of them is thinking about relocating , but more about fleeing the country and get into the US or Canada.

If they are thinking about fleeing the country, then they chose the wrong place. It is much more difficult to travel from Caracas to the US, when compared to Havana to the US. If they are thinking about getting fake / stolen passports and then traveling with them, then I don't think that Venezuela is the right place. An option would be to travel to Brazil by road / river and get to the US from there.

Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.
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April 17, 2014, 01:13:01 PM
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Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous.  Grin


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April 17, 2014, 03:46:35 PM
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Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous.  Grin

You could travel all the way to French Guiana if you are desperate enough. Well, let's be real: anyone coming from Cuba would be desperate enough to fight snakes, leeches, parasites growing eggs under one's skin and multiple toxic plants to err.. "relocate"
What would make the trip extremely dangerous are not the indegenous Indians but the gold diggers and other bandits along the way...
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April 17, 2014, 03:55:54 PM
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You could travel all the way to French Guiana if you are desperate enough. Well, let's be real: anyone coming from Cuba would be desperate enough to fight snakes, leeches, parasites growing eggs under one's skin and multiple toxic plants to err.. "relocate"
What would make the trip extremely dangerous are not the indegenous Indians but the gold diggers and other bandits along the way...

Venezuela shares no common border with French Guiana. To reach the French Guiana from the Spanish-speaking Venezuela, first you have to cross the English-speaking Guyana and then cross the Dutch-speaking Suriname.

Yes... the gold diggers and drug traffickers in that region are extremely dangerous. In 2006, the miners killed some Sanuma Indians. The Venezuelan army moved in and shot dead 6 miners. I believe that the army is still present there.


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Well , I assumed , and maybe I did the wrong thing that leaving Venezuela isn't as hard as leaving Cuba.
Or maybe i'm just behind with the time and the news.

Hmm.... At least Venezuela is not an island. Well... Out of the three neighbors, two are outright hostile to Venezuela (Colombia, because of support to FARC, and Guyana, due to border disputes). The other option is Brazil, and most of the Venezuelan-Brazilian border is covered by the Amazonian rain-forest, with Indian reservations on both sides. Extremely dangerous.  Grin

Well , my question was about something else.
I had the impression that in Cuba you are forced to stay in your country , just like it happen in the eastern block between 89 when only a few of us got permission to leave.
I wondered if it's the same for Venezuela.
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Well , my question was about something else. I had the impression that in Cuba you are forced to stay in your country , just like it happen in the eastern block between 89 when only a few of us got permission to leave. I wondered if it's the same for Venezuela.

For normal Venezuelan citizens traveling abroad is not a problem. Usually there is no surveillance. But things are different for Cuban doctors and nurses working under the government program.


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Venezuela Rejects Amnesty for Opposition as 'Peace Dialogue Advances'



Representatives of the Venezuelan government and its opposition met for a second time on Tuesday, reporting some progress in the peace talks aimed at putting an end to more than two months of protests that have resulted in 41 deaths to date.

The government, however, rejected a call to grant amnesty to the 175 people arrested as a result of the disturbances, according to news reports. Leopoldo Lopez, a former mayor and prominent opposition figure, as well as Daniel Ceballos and Enzo Scarano, two opposition mayors arrested in connection to the protests, are still in prison.

Vice President Jorge Arreaza, the head of the government delegation in the meeting, left the possibility of an amnesty open for the future, according to the Agence France Press. But Ramon Guillermo Aveledo, a representative of the opposition coalition called Democratic Unity (MUD), said his group would "seek other ways" to solve the issue of what he defined as "political prisoners," the BBC reported.

Despite this disagreement, both parties said the hours-long meeting was positive.

"The meeting was always held on good terms, with respect and tolerance," said Arreaza. "The peace dialogue is advancing."

Aveledo, for his part, said the opposition is "willing, as shown today, to find windows and try to build paths together," even though he said the process will be "complicated."

The two parties even agreed on three key measures, as reported by the Spanish daily El Pais.

First, the opposition formally condemned violence, something that the government had pushed hard for since the student protests that have swept the country have at times turned violent.

Second, the government agreed to add outside figures to the so-called Truth Commission, a group tasked with probing the violent incidents that occurred during the protests. Initially, the commission only included parliament members (five from the government, four from the opposition). Now it will include external experts, who will be nominated in following peace meetings, as reported by the local newspaper El Universal.

Finally, the opposition accepted the government's request to join the program "Safe Homeland," a government anti-crime plan to boost security on the streets with more police and even military presence. Cities controlled by the opposition were not part of the program until now.

The round of talks on Tuesday was the second formal meeting between the government led by President Nicolas Maduro and an opposition coalition. The groups met for the first time last week on Thursday, in a televised six hours-long event in which Maduro spoke for 45 straight minutes at the beginning.

Not all wings of the opposition are part of the peace talks, however. The party led by Lopez, who launched the movement The Exit earlier this year along with ousted parliament member Maria Corina Machado, refused to take part in it. The group wants Maduro to step down and open a political transition as a first condition, something Hugo Chavez's successor has repeatedly said will not happen.

http://mashable.com/2014/04/16/venezuela-rejects-amnesty-peace/

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Seems like the intensity of the protests are down compared to the past few weeks. Meanwhile Maduro will be completing one year in office this week. Unfortunately, I have to say that he can't even be compared with Hugo Chavez.


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The Bolivarian Revolution a Factory of Billionaires






Bolibourgeoisie: A portmanteau of the words Bolivarian and Bourgeoisie; a term describing the new bourgeois created by the Venezuelan government of Hugo Chávez and Chavismo, made up of people who became rich under the Chavez administration. (wikipedia.com)

At the time of his death Hugo Chavez and his family were estimated to be worth between 1 and 2 billion USD. Paradoxically, for 14 years Chavez consistently spewed anachronistic revolutionary propaganda, highlighting statements like ‘capitalism is bad,’ ‘end to the bourgeoisie,’ ‘rich people don’t work’ ‘rich people are lazy,’ and last but not least ‘the United States is evil’. Oddly enough Chavez, his family, and his buddies have all benefited from Imperialist influence.

With billions of dollars worth of refineries in the United States, and a network of CITGO gas stations; anti-imperialism coexists incongruously with profitable North American investment and business.

http://jennyblando.org/2014/04/17/the-bolivarian-revolution-a-factory-of-billionaires/

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May 06, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
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http://youtu.be/arYLd-pPHIo

(google translate)
A clash between students of the Catholic University of Táchira (UCAT) and police Táchira (Politáchira) developed from hours of the morning of Monday 05 May.
After 3 months of protests in St. Kitts, Monday May 5 universities started classes. The students decided to hold the protest, this time with a "pupitrazo", prompting the intervention of regional police and clashes between the two groups. Unofficially, it was reported that they were arrested. some protesters and people taking photos.

Un enfrentamiento entre estudiantes de la Universidad Católica del Táchira (UCAT) y la policía del Táchira (Politáchira) se desarrolló desde horas de la mañana de este lunes 05 de mayo.
Luego de 3 meses de protestas en San Cristóbal, este lunes 05 de mayo las universidades iniciaron clases. Los estudiantes decidieron mantener la protesta, en esta oportunidad con un "pupitrazo", lo que provocó la intervención de la policía regional y el enfrentamientos entre los dos grupos. Extraoficialmente se reportó que fueron detenidos. algunos manifestantes y personas que tomaban fotos.

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http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/05/05/venezuela-unarmed-protestors-beaten-shot



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Armed Civilians Fight Venezuela Protesters

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As Venezuela's civil unrest stretches into a fourth month, the government has relied mostly on National Guard troops to contain protesters. But it also has another, less formal tool: gangs of armed, pro-government civilians.


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complaining that the socialist government's currency controls are preventing them from importing essential products due to restrictions and delays in purchases of dollars.

Workers, who spoke to Reuters on condition of anonymity, said the plant in the central city of Valencia would be paralyzed until the end of May.

Transport Minister Haiman El Troudi confirmed the stoppage at the plant but said it should reopen in two weeks after a meeting between Ford representatives and government officials that resolved some "critical bottlenecks."

The minister said state currency board Cencoez would release $20 million in debt to Ford this week.

Toyota Motor Corp <7203.T> halted vehicle assembly in Venezuela in February for the same reasons.

Venezuela's struggling auto industry saw first-quarter production fall 76 percent to just 3,424 vehicles, compared with 14,316 units in the same period of 2013, according to national automakers' organization Cavenez.

Ford assembled only 499 cars in the first three months of 2014.

Automobiles are just one sector of many where President Nicolas Maduro's government is facing clamor to release more dollars for imports. He says unscrupulous businessmen exaggerate needs in order to flip dollars on the black market for profit.

But nevertheless ministers are holding urgent meetings with business heads to try and resolve problems and help reverse the slide in local production.

Venezuela operates three exchange controls - at 6.3 bolivars per dollar for preferential goods, and at around 11 and 50 for other sectors via two Central Bank mechanisms.

The dollar is trading at about 66-68 bolivars on the black market, according to illegal web sites that track it.



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Billions unaccounted for in Venezuela's communal giveaway program

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/us-venezuela-communes-special-report-idUSBREA450CA20140506

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The unsupervised spending in El Chaparral is symptomatic of a vast community aid effort with lax financial controls. A network of more than 70,000 community groups has received the equivalent of at least $7.9 billion since 2006 from the federal agency that provides much of the financing for the program, Reuters calculates, based on official government reports.


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May 06, 2014, 04:59:58 PM
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Billions unaccounted for in Venezuela's communal giveaway program

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/06/us-venezuela-communes-special-report-idUSBREA450CA20140506

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The unsupervised spending in El Chaparral is symptomatic of a vast community aid effort with lax financial controls. A network of more than 70,000 community groups has received the equivalent of at least $7.9 billion since 2006 from the federal agency that provides much of the financing for the program, Reuters calculates, based on official government reports.

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Venezuela Raids Anti-Government Camps, Arrests 243 Students & Teachers



Authorities cleared out four camps set up at different points in eastern Caracas by anti-government protesters and arrested 243 people early Thursday morning, Venezuela’s interior minister said.

“The four sites where they remained in these camps, from where they came out to commit acts of violence and afterwards camouflaged themselves in these camps saying that it was a peaceful protest, have been broken up,” Miguel Rodriguez told state-run television from the site of one of the camps, outside the U.N office in this capital.

“Here on Francisco de Miranda (avenue) … the camp was cleaned out by surprise and drugs, weapons, explosives and mortars were seized,” he said regarding the operation launched at the four sites at 3 a.m. Thursday.

He said that in the camp from which he was speaking, where a group of students was demanding that the United Nations send a mission to Venezuela, the person responsible for setting fire to a police vehicle several days ago was arrested.

http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2014/05/08/venezuelan-government-clears-out-protest-camps-arrests-243/

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Wilikon - why are you posting links/copy and pasting text, that any of us on here are savvy enough to find for ourselves if we were of such a mind ?

The reason I ask is that the bulk of your posts on this thread could easily be classed as spam - it could be said that you are spamming a public forum, and one, at that, that has utopian ideals (and so deserves better IMHO).

  Are you being paid to do it ?
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