The 94% Con by Jon Montroll

[grimholt]

Mine:

Date   2013-11-19 07:44:24
Transaction ID   nLxbdndWmQ9y08g5FfsX5u8VuVjU2MaI
Type   Withdraw
Debit   2.07190148 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

[DobZombie]

Date   2013-11-07 06:55:53
Transaction ID   O1dfjWFllPkpn882LwC7T9r0oVJ6fR9D
Type   Withdraw
Debit   2.22695811 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

2 tickets opened, no reply

[LordStapy]

+1
Date   2013-11-13 15:51:23
Transaction ID   uhHTJAmscj8zOnmPShkIy3P8RUZeQVwD
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.11756161 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

[tomywomy]

Date   2013-11-14 13:24:17
Transaction ID   JQJ0cDJjpE0odgFgOAv2QDFztzgC9uPw
Type   Withdraw
Debit   0.10373572 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing


For the record, I am not convinced of a scam here and think Ukyo needs to come forward in real life and face a real life investigation if one is warranted and if he is to be tried anywhere, it needs to be in a court of law.  Justice may take time, but it sure beats doling out injustice quickly.

[ninjaboon]

I've been waiting for my bitcoins since I withdrew it on Sunday. Ukyo is taking too long to process them.

[lophie]

quickly.

Hi, mmm I want to explain something if I may, you see, Slow, Fast, slowly, quickly, only work if you have another to compare to. So can you give us an example of what you think is jumping to judgement on a normal pace, fast pace, and slow pace.

In my humble personal opinion if a guy handles millions and lock one away suddenly we are entitled to ask him about them and when is he going to give them back, If about a month has passed with no real solution then he disappears for a couple of days with a million dollars he was entrusted to, I would freak out!

But you disagree, dear sir. So what is your personal opinion about jumping to judgement on a normal non-quick pace?

[lophie]

Information we obtained, We now have digital copies of the company's documents. We have the legal name and personal information of Ukyo and Graet (Graet is kinda known to begin with ). Yet we don't know how to use such information to pursue the retrieval of our money.

any suggestions? I will ask my source if I am allowed to post the info here.

[dave111223]

*Face palm* should have read this before I added .06BTC to bring the balance to up to .1BTC withdrawal threshold.

May as well add this to the list:

Date    2013-11-21 01:27:20
Transaction ID    Py9CNz5q2y65UoIEsnSMATgLboFUdIdC
Type    Withdraw
Debit    0.10958550 BTC
Credit    
Fee    0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing

Can you modify this topic title so that it starts with "Weexchange" that way it will make it clearer to people that they need to read this before they do any weexchange activity.

Also shouldn't some of this spill over onto bitfunder, as they only allow you to withdraw to weexchange; what is the connection between bitfunder and weexchange; ie when I withdraw from bitfunder to weexchange did any coins actually get transferred, or are my coins still technically with bitfunder; and can bitfunder make good on these transfers (ie cancel the weexchange transfer and send the coins to customer directly instead?)

[helloge]

Date   2013-11-13 19:38:12
Transaction ID   9TTiYmV04N2dSCkZ9i4LXkYEybuuCs4t
Type   Withdraw
Debit   5.35655000 BTC
Credit   
Fee   0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status   Processing

Ticket ID
FSE-187379

plus other withdraws held , the total number is 7.5295B

[hammurabi]

I am not really familiar with Ukyo business plan, but it is interesting to notice that his businesses sucked in money like a massive black hole!

- His early AsicMiner Shares sold
- Big Bitcoin Loan taken
- Shareholder funds missing

His assets were his property so its not really my business. Only noticing it here.
Loan shareholders undertook the risk willingly and been paid for it. Noticing as well.
But shareholder deposits he should never ever had touched. EVER!

There is something strange going on far beyond wallet problems.

I fear that the problem of money leakage was going on for some longer period of time and missing coin piled up astronomically.

Should it not be called a PonziFunder.com^tm instead?!


If there was a warning I wouldn't send coins in there on 2013-11-01.
But there was no warning. And there is no warning to this date.
So I assume that reason for that is that blackhole BitFunder is still in need for even more coins!

[knybe]

Username:      jnybebitfunder
Date:         2013-11-04 18:59:55
Transaction ID:   7TNc99QxMclckVQFbI4fmEELXPQBrBgJ
Type:         Withdraw
Debit:      3.45812520 BTC
BTC Transaction   
Status:      Processing

WeExchange Ticket ID: DPF-601291
Ticket opened: 2013-11-05 14:32:47

[stonehoo]

2013-11-05 00:15:54   Withdraw   3.60017775 BTC      Processing   


username: stonehoo

[g83]

Add me to the list

Date    2013-11-05 02:33:46
Transaction ID    E8MleOjtd7eMEDGThCq821MESXJz5d90
Type    Withdraw
Debit    44.54173751 BTC
Credit    
Fee    0.00000000 BTC
BTC Transaction    
Status    Processing

Ticket ID CWV-586381
Ticket opened 2013-11-05 15:33:10

[stereotype]

So there's future plans for WeExexchange that involves obtaining, and KEEPING a  license from a HK exchange authority is there? How is that at all possible, when the operator is willfully refusing to return peoples requested funds. What part of 'not fit to operate' is the proposed exchange license issuer going to turn a blind eye to?
For clarity, Ive lifted the following from http://www.sfc.hk/web/EN/.....
 
3. Fitness and Properness
3.1 The SFC is obliged to refuse to grant a licence or registration if the applicant fails to satisfy the SFC that he is fit and proper. Similarly, the HKMA is
obliged to refuse to grant consent to an individual to be an executive officer
of a registered institution unless the individual satisfies the HKMA that he is fit and proper. Besides, it shall be a statutory condition of registration for every registered institution that its relevant individuals are fit and proper.
Under section 129 of the SFO, the matters that shall be considered in assessing a person’s fitness and properness include his:
(a) financial status or solvency;
(b) educational or other qualifications or experience having regard to the nature of the functions to be performed;
(c) ability to carry on the regulated activity competently, honestly and fairly; and
(d) reputation, character, reliability and financial integrity.


The accusation that is growing momentum here, is that Ukyo has been using peoples deposited funds for his own agenda. Considering that action moves into the realms of possible fraud and theft, is it not reasonable to think that its really now or never, that peoples funds are going to be returned?  
I would personally be very happy if Ukyo went from zero-to-hero, but honestly, its really poor odds, and this embarrassing farce really needs to be escalated very soon.  
    

[freebits]

coins deposited in BF that sit idle has been seen moving to gox addresses.

[g83]

coins deposited in BF that sit idle has been seen moving to gox addresses.

then we had better left our coins at bf and now could use them ? what a pity

maybe ukyo can return our btc to bf and then send directly to any address ?

[daCoops]

Information we obtained, We now have digital copies of the company's documents. We have the legal name and personal information of Ukyo and Graet (Graet is kinda known to begin with ). Yet we don't know how to use such information to pursue the retrieval of our money.

any suggestions? I will ask my source if I am allowed to post the info here.

Sounds interesting. Are you able to share/post/PM these documents?

The most I found out was that his name is possibly Jon/John Montroll - not sure if this is his real or pseudo name.. (Haha - MonTroll -MoneyTroll ??)

No idea what can officially be done. Here in UK, banks/government seem to be treating the whole BitCOin thing very strangely indeed - I've heard of people being refused Company accounts/business bank accounts purely on the basis that it has something to do with Bitcoins.

Not sure what the Australian laws are towards BitCoin or money fraud. e.g. If this was normal money and we had a supposedly and investor/business who ran off with a few million of clients money, then surely the ASIC(Australian Securities and Investments Commission) might get involved. But not sure if this would cover Bitcoins as may or may not be recognised as an actual currency etc..

Basically have no idea what can be done...

[SebastianJu]

coins deposited in BF that sit idle has been seen moving to gox addresses.

then we had better left our coins at bf and now could use them ? what a pity

maybe ukyo can return our btc to bf and then send directly to any address ?

Bitfunder has no own bitcoin wallet. Bitfunder bitcoins were all the time in weexchange. The thought behind was to divide the business with the wallet website. Thats why weexchange was created from the first start.

Thats why there cant be a "bitfunder bitcoin address". Maybe freebits speaks about user addresses at bitfunder that are owned by the customers? That wouldnt have anything to do with weexchange then.

[robix]

This weeks AM divs are not yet credited on BF. Not that it would change anything. It seems that nothing happens at all.

[SebastianJu]

I forgot... ukyo being a board member of Asicminer isnt a relieve since he sold this shares practically as Passthrough Shares... he still have the shares but got the bitcoins for them from other users and is paying out the divs instead. He still has to own the shares since it would be noticed if the div-address was changed.
But this way his board seat is no indicator that he has enough money.

He sold AM shares to Rockiex (another board member in AM) and Rockiex paid him about 250 BTC for that transaction in last month, but I do not know what exactly  how many shares of AM had been sold for that 250 BTC, however I remember that after this transaction someone was successfully redeem his loan for 40 BTC with UKYO... I do not know wether UKYO is sold other's pass-through or his own shares, because I was seen someone post that the PASS THROUGH in BF is not same as it according to Friedcat in forum or the Chinese Group chat. (I can't remember exactly ,it been a while).

I am really worry about our wealth , seems all things shows that less likely he does continually processing manual  withdraws , and there are nobody post over forum says get back his/her BTC out from WeEx.

Also if Great is the director of WeEx and BF, he must knows somethings. I really hope anyone in this forum get contact with Great as him to explains what happen with WeEx.. We can't let this situation continuing ,the more time take ,the more risk and more less likely we will get our Coins back as well as the coins lent to UKYO and Great.

There was a list of shares connected to bitcoin addresses where the divs should flow in. And i think it should be known what of these addresses belong to ukyo's passthrough. When this number of shares didnt drop then he didnt sell the PT direct shares.