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I need a little advice: How can we calculate a daily cost of Nxt web?
Something like:
number of peers x watts of the average computer? and transfer kW in Dollars?
Do we know a number of forging computers?
I do a simple calculation for you as following: Say 10, 000 nodes in the network for Nxt, as you know there are about 10,000 accounts. Say each node is a Pi, say each pi consumes 10Watts, so total 100kW, it's 2400 kWh, which is just $600 a day with $0.25 per kWh. Say each node is a server with 500 Watts, that's 50 times of the above calculation, so it is about $30,000 a day. So I predict a total power consumption is in the range of $600 ~ $30,000 a day, and most probably below $10000. Wow, that's the most efficient system in the crypto currency world. Edit: go on a simple calculation of the price for Nxt. Presently a day's tx fee is ~ 5000 Nxt, if it should cover the power consumption, that is, $600/5000 ~ $30,000/5000, so the Nxt price in the range $0.12 ~ $6. Yeah, my pricing for Nxt is $0.12 ~ $6. But there are 300 nodes, not 10k: http://peerexplorer.com/donate(1), 22k(3), 22k.io(66), BEER(1), CentOS(2), FreeBSD(1), linux(6), NCC-1701-D(1), NCC-1864(1), nxt.now.im(12), nxt86(2), PC(121), PC BaiMang...(2), PC-2212(1), Raspberry(1), RaspNXT(1), Rpi(1), RPi Solari...(1), SPARC(1), strawberry(1), Unknown(43), VPS(17), xrp.pw/nxt(1):
(4+66+1+1+12+2+43+17+1)x20W = 3kW
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(2+6+1+1+121+2+1+1+1+1+1+1+1)x5W = 0.7kW
= 4kW
24(hours)x4(kW)x0.15/kWh = 14 USD |
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January 11, 2014, 10:20:07 AM |
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Jus got this. Browser's UI hanged. Now let's see, if this 'll be self-recovered or not.. at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:744)
Caused by:
java.lang.InterruptedException
at java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.doAcquireSharedInterrupti bly(AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.java:996)
at java.util.concurrent.locks.AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.acquireSharedInterruptibl y(AbstractQueuedSynchronizer.java:1303)
at java.util.concurrent.Semaphore.acquire(Semaphore.java:317)
at org.eclipse.jetty.util.BlockingCallback.block(BlockingCallback.java:94)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpOutput.write(HttpOutput.java:392)
at java.io.FilterOutputStream.write(FilterOutputStream.java:77)
at Nxt$CountingOutputStream.write(Unknown Source)
at java.io.FilterOutputStream.write(FilterOutputStream.java:125)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamEncoder.writeBytes(StreamEncoder.java:221)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamEncoder.implWrite(StreamEncoder.java:282)
at sun.nio.cs.StreamEncoder.write(StreamEncoder.java:125)
at java.io.OutputStreamWriter.write(OutputStreamWriter.java:207)
at java.io.BufferedWriter.flushBuffer(BufferedWriter.java:129)
at java.io.BufferedWriter.write(BufferedWriter.java:199)
at java.io.Writer.write(Writer.java:127)
at Nxt$Block$1.writeJSONString(Unknown Source)
at org.json.simple.JSONValue.writeJSONString(JSONValue.java:135)
at org.json.simple.JSONArray.writeJSONString(JSONArray.java:53)
at org.json.simple.JSONArray.writeJSONString(JSONArray.java:59)
at org.json.simple.JSONValue.writeJSONString(JSONValue.java:135)
at org.json.simple.JSONObject.writeJSONString(JSONObject.java:67)
at org.json.simple.JSONObject.writeJSONString(JSONObject.java:73)
at Nxt.doPost(Unknown Source)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:707)
at javax.servlet.http.HttpServlet.service(HttpServlet.java:790)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHolder.handle(ServletHolder.java:696)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$CachedChain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1568)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilterChain(DoSFilter.java:457)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:326)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlets.DoSFilter.doFilter(DoSFilter.java:299)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler$CachedChain.doFilter(ServletHandler.java:1539)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doHandle(ServletHandler.java:524)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:143)
at org.eclipse.jetty.security.SecurityHandler.handle(SecurityHandler.java:568)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doHandle(SessionHandler.java:221)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doHandle(ContextHandler.java:1110)
at org.eclipse.jetty.servlet.ServletHandler.doScope(ServletHandler.java:453)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.session.SessionHandler.doScope(SessionHandler.java:183)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler.doScope(ContextHandler.java:1044)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ScopedHandler.handle(ScopedHandler.java:141)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandlerCollection.handle(ContextHandlerCollection.java:199)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerCollection.handle(HandlerCollection.java:109)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.HandlerWrapper.handle(HandlerWrapper.java:97)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.Server.handle(Server.java:459)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpChannel.handle(HttpChannel.java:280)
at org.eclipse.jetty.server.HttpConnection.onFillable(HttpConnection.java:229)
at org.eclipse.jetty.io.AbstractConnection$1.run(AbstractConnection.java:505)
at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool.runJob(QueuedThreadPool.java:607)
at org.eclipse.jetty.util.thread.QueuedThreadPool$3.run(QueuedThreadPool.java:536)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:744)
[2014-01-11 11:14:41.338] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:14:47.360] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:14:49.386] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:14:51.406] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:14:51.418] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:14:51.429] Generated an incorrect block. Waiting for the next one...
[2014-01-11 11:18:17.178] Re-scanning blockchain...
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January 11, 2014, 10:31:20 AM |
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Hey, what do you think about this... NXT – created by an unknown rebel, developed by free people! Do you like the world? Do you like the governments? The system? No? You are not alone! ... It's a bit harsh i think. Sounds like a fanatic ideology is coming. The idea of nxt is revolutionary and programmatic, not only an anarchist can benefit from. |
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January 11, 2014, 10:37:20 AM |
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joefox, I registered at wiki as 'swartzfeger'... can you grant access to edit/contribute? Many thanks...
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January 11, 2014, 10:45:18 AM |
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AM encrypts nothing. It's just a transport of raw bytes. |
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January 11, 2014, 11:11:18 AM |
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Update on the NXT project: 1) Stable client: 0.5.4e is better, 15’ to start up with lot of memory and cpu usage, 0.javaexeption is back, generated incorrect block waiting for the next one. While loading getting stuck (think is jetty problem)lot of messages page wont react. Not dummie proof hopefully the client(s) will solves this 2) White paper: Jl777 taking the lead to write it together with the whole community those who want to contribute they can on the white paper page: http://wiki.nxtcrypto.org/wiki/Whitepaper:Nxt there is surtenly progress here just have to follow it up (don’t finalize it yet, to add most important TF section help from some DEV to write this part would be great) joefox is admin of the wiki pages. 3) Client software: this all depends on nexern to provide updates and milestones. Marcos03 has a working client in premature stage, looking good but still a lot to do, marco03 if you need help from the community let us know, looking forward to a new update 4) Media campaign, is ongoing, but we should wait to throw the bomb when above issues r solved I thought utopianfuture and or landomata takes the lead here ? 5) BCNext has not done yet to review all data from the rewards program so please be patient it will come. Still a lot to do but getting there, NXT will succeed! Thank you all, this is the most inspiring community I have ever seen, and also a part of the strength of NXT, keep up the good work and lets turn it up a notch. Please feel free to add concerns or questions to this resume Pin |
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January 11, 2014, 11:20:59 AM |
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AM encrypts nothing. It's just a transport of raw bytes. I'd prefer sticking with curve25519 for messages. The public keys are already in the protocol, so you don't need to transamit new ones, it's save, it's easy because you have all the dependencies already there, and it fits the problem perfectly... |
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January 11, 2014, 11:23:13 AM |
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CfB the community has spoken.
Question: Should Maco get a bounty from the not claimed coin funds?
Yes 2 (2.7%)
No 72 (97.3%)
Total Voters: 74
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January 11, 2014, 11:24:12 AM |
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I'd prefer sticking with curve25519 for messages.
The public keys are already in the protocol, so you don't need to transamit new ones, it's save, it's easy because you have all the dependencies already there, and it fits the problem perfectly...
I'd like to remind that each session should use a unique key-pair to avoid known-plaintext attacks. |
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January 11, 2014, 11:24:52 AM |
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CfB the community has spoken.
Question: Should Maco get a bounty from the not claimed coin funds?
Yes 2 (2.7%)
No 72 (97.3%)
Total Voters: 74
Thx. What about the whitepaper bounty, whom the coins should be sent to? |
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January 11, 2014, 11:25:55 AM |
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Update on the NXT project:
4) Media campaign, is ongoing, but we should wait to throw the bomb when above issues r solved I thought utopianfuture and or landomata takes the lead here ?
1) utopianfuture should manage the media campaign.2) Nxt Mobile App. Co. has taken control of my mind for the foreseeable future. MISSION STATEMENT: The mission of the Nxt Mobile Applications Company is to facilitate mass adoption of the Nxt ecosystem.We are looking for more IPhone developers, marketers, financial backers. etc. Pls visit: https://nextcoin.org/index.php/topic,2634.0.html or https://forums.nxtcrypto.org/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=467 |
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January 11, 2014, 11:27:07 AM |
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Where is Nxt from Original Stakeholders?
http://nxtcoin.blogspot.cz/2014/01/where-is-nxt-from-original-stakeholders.htmlSome new data, stakeholders nr. 24-42: http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=1600633904360147460 9,975,150 8,901,894 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=4454381633636789149 9,476,393 1,599,999 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10339765764359265796 8,644,631 49 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=10890046632913063215 6,668,388 6,575,345 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=1965151371996418680 5,486,333 5,399,971 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8278234497743900807 5,264,386 0 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9230759115816986914 5,033,128 2,427,700 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=5982846390354787993 4,987,575 4,980,418 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=11541844302056663007 4,987,575 2,558,217 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9988839211066715803 4,962,637 100,001 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=9306550122583806885 2,916,900 1,000,000 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=1264744488939798088 2,867,856 500,039 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7017504655955743955 2,724,712 224,622 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=1796652256451468602 2,690,963 489 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=8870453786186409991 2,684,479 3,058,444 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=3684449848581573439 2,468,850 219 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=620741658595224146 1,970,092 1,469,943 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=12101431510634235443 1,845,403 2,100,606 http://87.230.14.1/nxt/nxt.cgi?action=3000&acc=7542917420413518667 1,476,156 9,476,896
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January 11, 2014, 11:28:51 AM |
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Question: Reward for the white paper should be... (from unclaimed coins)
none 5 (9.3%)
250,000 31 (57.4%)
500,000 10 (18.5%)
1M 8 (14.8%)
Total Voters: 54
BUT; I think we all see this as a community effort and that coins should be spent in future of NXT.
I think you r better placed to give them coins a good destination.
let the community know where you did spent it.
thank you
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January 11, 2014, 11:30:05 AM |
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I'd prefer sticking with curve25519 for messages.
The public keys are already in the protocol, so you don't need to transamit new ones, it's save, it's easy because you have all the dependencies already there, and it fits the problem perfectly...
I'd like to remind that each session should use a unique key-pair to avoid known-plaintext attacks. Is this mentioned in the original THREAD |
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January 11, 2014, 11:32:59 AM |
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4) Media campaign, is ongoing, but we should wait to throw the bomb when above issues r solved I thought utopianfuture and or landomata takes the lead here ?
1) utopianfuture should manage the media campaign.
there was a press release, I submitted it at some sites: |
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January 11, 2014, 11:39:15 AM |
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Is this mentioned in the original THREAD
Yes. |
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January 11, 2014, 11:42:02 AM |
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BUT; I think we all see this as a community effort and that coins should be spent in future of NXT.
I think you r better placed to give them coins a good destination.
let the community know where you did spent it.
thank you
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We should implement Multisignatures and transfer unclaimed coins to an account controlled by several people. NB: Don't spend all coins at once, leave at least a few millions for development of concepts marked with (concept not ready). |
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January 11, 2014, 11:44:20 AM |
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Gang, Would appreciate Chinese speakers looking this over for errors. Also, I know nothing about leading/kerning/spacing with Chinese characters and what's appropriate.  Also, full-size PDF is here EDIT: sorry, forgot to credit Miramare from the nextcoin.org forum for supplying Chinese text. |
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